Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)


JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hi Melissa.

Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10 at least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the file by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in Windows 10 function. I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back again. Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.

Where exactly the file is depends on what you are using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1 voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this path location:
C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
M1033David.INI


The lines you are looking ror are these two:
IntonationPhraseBoundary=
SentenceBoundary=

I do not remember what the original values were at the moment, but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and what you like.

If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works. Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Jean
Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this purchase. I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.

I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.

What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
Sorry for the barrage of questions.

Thank you
On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least absolutely
have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses between
sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a period is
completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at least you can adjust it.
Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it back to
original setting at least three times now, and I've had to change it
back.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

Hi, David,

Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Robinson
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

Hello!

You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of deactivating
constantly. I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have in
NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as Eloquence or
the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than the
standard NVDA voice in my opinion. I think CodeFactory could make
this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen readers.
They end up making the program far too much trouble to use in NVDA
than it is worth. I'll just eat the cost because I don't expect them
to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the voices.
I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the future.

Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers? If so, how
do we do it?

James Robinson











Jonathan COHN
 

Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file? Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific setings files.

Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn
gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@...> wrote:

Hi Melissa.

Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10 at least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the file by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in Windows 10 function. I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back again. Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.

Where exactly the file is depends on what you are using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1 voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this path location:
C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
M1033David.INI


The lines you are looking ror are these two:
IntonationPhraseBoundary=
SentenceBoundary=

I do not remember what the original values were at the moment, but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and what you like.

If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works. Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Jean
Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this purchase. I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.

I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.

What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
Sorry for the barrage of questions.

Thank you
On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
> I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least absolutely
> have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses between
> sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a period is
> completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at least you can adjust it.
> Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it back to
> original setting at least three times now, and I've had to change it
> back.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hi, David,
>
> Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> James Robinson
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hello!
>
> You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of deactivating
> constantly. I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have in
> NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as Eloquence or
> the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than the
> standard NVDA voice in my opinion. I think CodeFactory could make
> this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen readers.
> They end up making the program far too much trouble to use in NVDA
> than it is worth. I'll just eat the cost because I don't expect them
> to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the voices.
> I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the future.
>
> Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers? If so, how
> do we do it?
>
> James Robinson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hey.

I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to put it in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not know if this can be done at all. Anyone?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file? Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific setings files.

Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn
gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@...> wrote:

Hi Melissa.

Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10 at least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the file by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in Windows 10 function. I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back again. Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.

Where exactly the file is depends on what you are using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1 voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this path location:
C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
M1033David.INI


The lines you are looking ror are these two:
IntonationPhraseBoundary=
SentenceBoundary=

I do not remember what the original values were at the moment, but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and what you like.

If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works. Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Jean
Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this purchase. I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.

I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.

What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
Sorry for the barrage of questions.

Thank you
On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
> I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least absolutely
> have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses between
> sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a period is
> completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at least you can adjust it.
> Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it back to
> original setting at least three times now, and I've had to change it
> back.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hi, David,
>
> Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> James Robinson
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hello!
>
> You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of deactivating
> constantly. I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have in
> NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as Eloquence or
> the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than the
> standard NVDA voice in my opinion. I think CodeFactory could make
> this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen readers.
> They end up making the program far too much trouble to use in NVDA
> than it is worth. I'll just eat the cost because I don't expect them
> to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the voices.
> I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the future.
>
> Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers? If so, how
> do we do it?
>
> James Robinson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


 

Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset and
it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using and
wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini file and
of course it did not work. I went into the properties and I can't seem
to find a way to give full access or write permissions to at least
administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini file.
Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?

Thanks much

On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Hey.

I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep mucking with
it when there's an update. But yes, being able to put it in one's user data
location would certainly be nice. And I do not know if this can be done at
all. Anyone?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cohn,
Jonathan
Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file? Certainly
in other OS there are both global and user specific setings files.

Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting these
rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn
gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey"
<nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@...> wrote:

Hi Melissa.

Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run
notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10 at
least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the file by
taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties dialog. To be
honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in Windows 10 function.
I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is the
reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back again.
Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this particular
file, which means you have permission to edit it.

Where exactly the file is depends on what you are using....whether you
are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1 voices? Each voice has its
own ini. The file I edited was at this path location:
C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
M1033David.INI


The lines you are looking ror are these two:
IntonationPhraseBoundary=
SentenceBoundary=

I do not remember what the original values were at the moment, but I
believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the sentence boundary
to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though you may prefer less of a
pause. Play around and see what you get and what you like.

If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are resources on
the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list may understand this
better than I do. It's one of those things which I thought I was familiar
with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file showed me that in fact I'm still
unclear on how this totally works. Still, at least I got it to do what I
wanted it to.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Melissa Jean
Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this purchase. I'd
love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry about if it
will stop working or not after I made some update.

I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off from
doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini file
before, but can't find the email though I saved it.

What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to edit
this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
Sorry for the barrage of questions.

Thank you
On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
> I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least absolutely

> have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses between
> sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a period is

> completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at least you
can adjust it.
> Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it back to
> original setting at least three times now, and I've had to change it
> back.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hi, David,
>
> Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> James Robinson
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hello!
>
> You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of deactivating
> constantly. I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have in
> NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as Eloquence or

> the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than the
> standard NVDA voice in my opinion. I think CodeFactory could make
> this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen readers.
> They end up making the program far too much trouble to use in NVDA
> than it is worth. I'll just eat the cost because I don't expect them

> to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the voices.
> I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the future.
>
> Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers? If so, how

> do we do it?
>
> James Robinson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
















JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hey Melissa.

Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm 99% sure you will be able to get it to work.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-access-to-files-and-folders-in-windows-10/

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset and it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using and wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini file and of course it did not work. I went into the properties and I can't seem to find a way to give full access or write permissions to at least administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini file.
Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?

Thanks much
On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Hey.

I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep mucking
with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to put it in one's
user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not know if this
can be done at all. Anyone?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific setings files.

Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting
these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn
gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey"
<nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@...> wrote:

Hi Melissa.

Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run
notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10 at
least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the file
by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties
dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in Windows 10 function.
I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is
the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back again.
Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.

Where exactly the file is depends on what you are using....whether
you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1 voices? Each
voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this path location:
C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
M1033David.INI


The lines you are looking ror are these two:
IntonationPhraseBoundary=
SentenceBoundary=

I do not remember what the original values were at the moment, but
I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the sentence
boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though you may
prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and what you like.

If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list
may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which I
thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file
showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Melissa Jean
Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this purchase.
I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry
about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.

I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off
from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini
file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.

What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to
edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
Sorry for the barrage of questions.

Thank you
On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
> I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least
absolutely

> have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses between
> sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a
period is

> completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at
least you can adjust it.
> Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it back to
> original setting at least three times now, and I've had to change it
> back.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hi, David,
>
> Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> James Robinson
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hello!
>
> You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of deactivating
> constantly. I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have in
> NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
Eloquence or

> the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than the
> standard NVDA voice in my opinion. I think CodeFactory could make
> this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen readers.
> They end up making the program far too much trouble to use in NVDA
> than it is worth. I'll just eat the cost because I don't expect
them

> to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the voices.
> I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the future.
>
> Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers? If
so, how

> do we do it?
>
> James Robinson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
















 

Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing
something when I was trying.
Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I admit
that I wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things
while going through the properties/security window.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Hey Melissa.

Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to paste this
URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm 99% sure you will be able
to get it to work.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-access-to-files-and-folders-in-windows-10/

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa
Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset and it
doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using and wanted to use
the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini file and of course it did
not work. I went into the properties and I can't seem to find a way to give
full access or write permissions to at least administrator so that I can
save the changes I made to the ini file.
Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?

Thanks much
On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Hey.

I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep mucking
with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to put it in one's
user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not know if this
can be done at all. Anyone?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific setings
files.

Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting
these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn
gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey"
<nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@...> wrote:

Hi Melissa.

Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run
notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10 at
least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the file
by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties
dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in
Windows 10 function.
I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is
the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back
again.
Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.

Where exactly the file is depends on what you are using....whether
you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1 voices? Each
voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this path location:
C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
M1033David.INI


The lines you are looking ror are these two:
IntonationPhraseBoundary=
SentenceBoundary=

I do not remember what the original values were at the moment, but
I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the sentence
boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though you may
prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and what you
like.

If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list
may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which I
thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file
showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Melissa Jean
Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this purchase.
I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry
about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.

I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off
from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini
file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.

What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to
edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
Sorry for the barrage of questions.

Thank you
On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
> I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least
absolutely

> have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses
between
> sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a
period is

> completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at
least you can adjust it.
> Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it back to
> original setting at least three times now, and I've had to change
it
> back.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hi, David,
>
> Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> James Robinson
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hello!
>
> You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of deactivating
> constantly. I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have in
> NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
Eloquence or

> the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than the
> standard NVDA voice in my opinion. I think CodeFactory could make
> this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen
readers.
> They end up making the program far too much trouble to use in NVDA
> than it is worth. I'll just eat the cost because I don't expect
them

> to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the voices.
> I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the future.
>
> Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers? If
so, how

> do we do it?
>
> James Robinson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





















JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hey again.

Yes, now that you mention it, I remember that list box where you have to select being somewhat too silent with NVDA. I think I had better luck with JAWS 18, which I also have on this computer. I think I'll try playing with it again and see exactly what happens. This is something that NVDA users should certainly be able to do without trouble.

I did not download that .exe file. It seemed like a better idea to just use the Windows interface to do this. I think the source is trustworthy but I'm not positive, and you'd have to give the program admin rights to muck about with your file permissions, so I dunno.

The good news is that Windows actually comes with a take ownership utility. It's called takeown.exe and I didn't know about it until recently. The bad news (possibly) is that it's command line only, so you'll have to get the syntax right and everything. You'd have to run in command prompt, administrator, or in powershell. I took a quick look at the usage info with "takeown /?" and, maybe because it's Friday evening and my brain is fried trying to apply to jobs, but as of now I can't make head nor tail of it. If you're familiar with Windows command line applications though, this could be a no-brainer for you. It's been a long time since I had to tinker much with such things.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing something when I was trying.
Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I admit that I wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things while going through the properties/security window.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Hey Melissa.

Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to
paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm 99% sure
you will be able to get it to work.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-access-to-
files-and-folders-in-windows-10/

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Melissa Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset and
it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using and
wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini file and
of course it did not work. I went into the properties and I can't seem
to find a way to give full access or write permissions to at least
administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini file.
Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?

Thanks much
On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Hey.

I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep
mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to put it
in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not
know if this can be done at all. Anyone?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific setings
files.

Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting
these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn
gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey"
<nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@...> wrote:

Hi Melissa.

Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run
notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10
at least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the
file by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties
dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in
Windows 10 function.
I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is
the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back
again.
Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.

Where exactly the file is depends on what you are
using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1
voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this path location:
C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
M1033David.INI


The lines you are looking ror are these two:
IntonationPhraseBoundary=
SentenceBoundary=

I do not remember what the original values were at the moment,
but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the
sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though
you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and
what you like.

If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list
may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which
I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file
showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Melissa Jean
Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this purchase.
I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry
about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.

I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off
from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini
file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.

What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to
edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
Sorry for the barrage of questions.

Thank you
On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
> I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least
absolutely

> have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses
between
> sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a
period is

> completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at
least you can adjust it.
> Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it back to
> original setting at least three times now, and I've had to
change it
> back.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hi, David,
>
> Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> James Robinson
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hello!
>
> You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of deactivating
> constantly. I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have in
> NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
Eloquence or

> the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than the
> standard NVDA voice in my opinion. I think CodeFactory could make
> this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen
readers.
> They end up making the program far too much trouble to use in NVDA
> than it is worth. I'll just eat the cost because I don't
expect them

> to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the voices.
> I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the future.
>
> Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers? If
so, how

> do we do it?
>
> James Robinson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





















 

I figured it out. It helped to use the JAWS trial I had to do it. It
picks up more than NVDA does.
However the voices are ... odd. I'm hearing another voice when I'm
typing and don't know what it is. It is a tad laggy when it comes to
my typing.
Oh, well... I will have to figure it out or get a newer headset,
lol.This new one has a lot of bass to it that I can't turn off. It
also clips off the first letter of most lines, words, and button for
some reason when I use the add that shall not be named which is why I
looked into this again.

Thanks for your help, appreciate it.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Hey again.

Yes, now that you mention it, I remember that list box where you have to
select being somewhat too silent with NVDA. I think I had better luck with
JAWS 18, which I also have on this computer. I think I'll try playing with
it again and see exactly what happens. This is something that NVDA users
should certainly be able to do without trouble.

I did not download that .exe file. It seemed like a better idea to just use
the Windows interface to do this. I think the source is trustworthy but I'm
not positive, and you'd have to give the program admin rights to muck about
with your file permissions, so I dunno.

The good news is that Windows actually comes with a take ownership utility.
It's called takeown.exe and I didn't know about it until recently. The bad
news (possibly) is that it's command line only, so you'll have to get the
syntax right and everything. You'd have to run in command prompt,
administrator, or in powershell. I took a quick look at the usage info with
"takeown /?" and, maybe because it's Friday evening and my brain is fried
trying to apply to jobs, but as of now I can't make head nor tail of it. If
you're familiar with Windows command line applications though, this could be
a no-brainer for you. It's been a long time since I had to tinker much with
such things.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa
Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing something
when I was trying.
Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I admit that I
wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things while going
through the properties/security window.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Hey Melissa.

Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to
paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm 99% sure
you will be able to get it to work.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-access-to-
files-and-folders-in-windows-10/

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Melissa Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset and
it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using and
wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini file and
of course it did not work. I went into the properties and I can't seem
to find a way to give full access or write permissions to at least
administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini file.
Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?

Thanks much
On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Hey.

I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep
mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to put it
in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not
know if this can be done at all. Anyone?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific setings
files.

Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting
these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn
gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey"
<nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@...> wrote:

Hi Melissa.

Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run
notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10
at least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the
file by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties
dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in
Windows 10 function.
I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is
the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back
again.
Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.

Where exactly the file is depends on what you are
using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1
voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this path
location:
C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
M1033David.INI


The lines you are looking ror are these two:
IntonationPhraseBoundary=
SentenceBoundary=

I do not remember what the original values were at the moment,
but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the
sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though
you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and
what you like.

If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list
may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which
I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file
showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Melissa Jean
Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this purchase.
I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry
about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.

I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off
from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini
file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.

What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to
edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
Sorry for the barrage of questions.

Thank you
On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
> I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least
absolutely

> have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses
between
> sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a
period is

> completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at
least you can adjust it.
> Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it back
to
> original setting at least three times now, and I've had to
change it
> back.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
> Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hi, David,
>
> Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
> James Robinson
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hello!
>
> You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of
deactivating
> constantly. I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have
in
> NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
Eloquence or

> the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than
the
> standard NVDA voice in my opinion. I think CodeFactory could make
> this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen
readers.
> They end up making the program far too much trouble to use in NVDA
> than it is worth. I'll just eat the cost because I don't
expect them

> to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the voices.
> I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the future.
>
> Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers? If
so, how

> do we do it?
>
> James Robinson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


























 

On 3/2/18, Melissa Hammitt <melissa.j.hammitt@...> wrote:
I figured it out. It helped to use the JAWS trial I had to do it. It
picks up more than NVDA does.
However the voices are ... odd. I'm hearing another voice when I'm
typing and don't know what it is. It is a tad laggy when it comes to
my typing.
Oh, well... I will have to figure it out or get a newer headset,
lol.This new one has a lot of bass to it that I can't turn off. It
also clips off the first letter of most lines, words, and button for
some reason when I use the add that shall not be named which is why I
looked into this again.

Thanks for your help, appreciate it.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Hey again.

Yes, now that you mention it, I remember that list box where you have to
select being somewhat too silent with NVDA. I think I had better luck
with
JAWS 18, which I also have on this computer. I think I'll try playing
with
it again and see exactly what happens. This is something that NVDA users
should certainly be able to do without trouble.

I did not download that .exe file. It seemed like a better idea to just
use
the Windows interface to do this. I think the source is trustworthy but
I'm
not positive, and you'd have to give the program admin rights to muck
about
with your file permissions, so I dunno.

The good news is that Windows actually comes with a take ownership
utility.
It's called takeown.exe and I didn't know about it until recently. The
bad
news (possibly) is that it's command line only, so you'll have to get the
syntax right and everything. You'd have to run in command prompt,
administrator, or in powershell. I took a quick look at the usage info
with
"takeown /?" and, maybe because it's Friday evening and my brain is fried
trying to apply to jobs, but as of now I can't make head nor tail of it.
If
you're familiar with Windows command line applications though, this could
be
a no-brainer for you. It's been a long time since I had to tinker much
with
such things.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Melissa
Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing
something
when I was trying.
Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I admit that
I
wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things while
going
through the properties/security window.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Hey Melissa.

Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to
paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm 99% sure
you will be able to get it to work.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-access-to-
files-and-folders-in-windows-10/

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Melissa Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset and
it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using and
wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini file and
of course it did not work. I went into the properties and I can't seem
to find a way to give full access or write permissions to at least
administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini file.
Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?

Thanks much
On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Hey.

I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep
mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to put it
in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not
know if this can be done at all. Anyone?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific setings
files.

Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting
these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn
gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey"
<nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@...> wrote:

Hi Melissa.

Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run
notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10
at least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the
file by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties
dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in
Windows 10 function.
I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is
the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back
again.
Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.

Where exactly the file is depends on what you are
using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1
voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this path
location:
C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
M1033David.INI


The lines you are looking ror are these two:
IntonationPhraseBoundary=
SentenceBoundary=

I do not remember what the original values were at the moment,
but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the
sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though
you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and
what you like.

If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list
may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which
I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file
showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Melissa Jean
Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this purchase.
I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry
about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.

I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off
from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini
file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.

What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to
edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
Sorry for the barrage of questions.

Thank you
On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
> I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least
absolutely

> have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses
between
> sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a
period is

> completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at
least you can adjust it.
> Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it back
to
> original setting at least three times now, and I've had to
change it
> back.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
> Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hi, David,
>
> Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
> James Robinson
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hello!
>
> You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of
deactivating
> constantly. I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have
in
> NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
Eloquence or

> the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than
the
> standard NVDA voice in my opinion. I think CodeFactory could
make
> this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen
readers.
> They end up making the program far too much trouble to use in
NVDA
> than it is worth. I'll just eat the cost because I don't
expect them

> to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the voices.
> I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the future.
>
> Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers? If
so, how

> do we do it?
>
> James Robinson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


























Gene
 

Are you using USB speakers and a USB headphone as well? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

I figured it out. It helped to use the JAWS trial I had to do it. It
picks up more than NVDA does.
However the voices are ... odd. I'm hearing another voice when I'm
typing and don't know what it is. It is a tad laggy when it comes to
my typing.
Oh, well... I will have to figure it out or get a newer headset,
lol.This new one has a lot of bass to it that I can't turn off. It
also clips off the first letter of most lines, words, and button for
some reason when I use the add that shall not be named which is why I
looked into this again.

Thanks for your help, appreciate it.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
> Hey again.
>
> Yes, now that you mention it, I remember that list box where you have to
> select being somewhat too silent with NVDA. I think I had better luck with
> JAWS 18, which I also have on this computer. I think I'll try playing with
> it again and see exactly what happens. This is something that NVDA users
> should certainly be able to do without trouble.
>
> I did not download that .exe file. It seemed like a better idea to just use
> the Windows interface to do this. I think the source is trustworthy but I'm
> not positive, and you'd have to give the program admin rights to muck about
> with your file permissions, so I dunno.
>
> The good news is that Windows actually comes with a take ownership utility.
> It's called takeown.exe and I didn't know about it until recently. The bad
> news (possibly) is that it's command line only, so you'll have to get the
> syntax right and everything. You'd have to run in command prompt,
> administrator, or in powershell. I took a quick look at the usage info with
> "takeown /?" and, maybe because it's Friday evening and my brain is fried
> trying to apply to jobs, but as of now I can't make head nor tail of it. If
> you're familiar with Windows command line applications though, this could be
> a no-brainer for you. It's been a long time since I had to tinker much with
> such things.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa
> Jean
> Sent: March 2, 2018 5:48 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
> CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>
> Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing something
> when I was trying.
> Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I admit that I
> wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things while going
> through the properties/security window.
>
> On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
>> Hey Melissa.
>>
>> Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to
>> paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm 99% sure
>> you will be able to get it to work.
>>
>> https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-access-to-
>> files-and-folders-in-windows-10/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Melissa Jean
>> Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
>> CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>>
>> Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset and
>> it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using and
>> wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini file and
>> of course it did not work. I went into the properties and I can't seem
>> to find a way to give full access or write permissions to at least
>> administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini file.
>> Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?
>>
>> Thanks much
>> On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
>>> Hey.
>>>
>>> I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep
>>> mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to put it
>>> in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not
>>> know if this can be done at all. Anyone?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Cohn, Jonathan
>>> Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
>>> CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>>>
>>> Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
>>> Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific setings
>>> files.
>>>
>>> Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting
>>> these rather than the ini file.
>>>
>>> Best Wishes,
>>>
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.
>>>
>>> Best Wishes,
>>>
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey"
>>> <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Melissa.
>>>
>>>     Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run
>>> notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10
>>> at least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the
>>> file by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties
>>> dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in
>>> Windows 10 function.
>>> I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is
>>> the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back
>>> again.
>>> Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
>>> particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.
>>>
>>>     Where exactly the file is depends on what you are
>>> using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1
>>> voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this path
>>> location:
>>>     C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
>>>     And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
>>>     M1033David.INI
>>>
>>>
>>>     The lines you are looking ror are these two:
>>>     IntonationPhraseBoundary=
>>>     SentenceBoundary=
>>>
>>>     I do not remember what the original values were at the moment,
>>> but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the
>>> sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though
>>> you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and
>>> what you like.
>>>
>>>     If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
>>> resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list
>>> may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which
>>> I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file
>>> showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
>>> Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -----Original Message-----
>>>     From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>> Of Melissa Jean
>>>     Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
>>>     To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>     Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>>>
>>>     This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this purchase.
>>> I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry
>>> about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.
>>>
>>>     I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off
>>> from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini
>>> file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.
>>>
>>>     What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to
>>> edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
>>>     Sorry for the barrage of questions.
>>>
>>>     Thank you
>>>     On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
>>>     > I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least
>>> absolutely
>>>
>>>     > have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses
>>> between
>>>     > sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a
>>> period is
>>>
>>>     > completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at
>>> least you can adjust it.
>>>     > Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it back
>>> to
>>>     > original setting at least three times now, and I've had to
>>> change it
>>>     > back.
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > -----Original Message-----
>>>     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>>     > Rosemarie Chavarria
>>>     > Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
>>>     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>     > Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>>>     >
>>>     > Hi, David,
>>>     >
>>>     > Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
>>>     >
>>>     > Rosemarie
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > -----Original Message-----
>>>     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>>     > James Robinson
>>>     > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
>>>     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>     > Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
>>>     > Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>>>     >
>>>     > Hello!
>>>     >
>>>     > You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of
>>> deactivating
>>>     > constantly.  I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have
>>> in
>>>     > NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
>>> Eloquence or
>>>
>>>     > the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than
>>> the
>>>     > standard NVDA voice in my opinion.  I think CodeFactory could make
>>>     > this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen
>>> readers.
>>>     > They end up making the program far too much trouble to use in NVDA
>>>     > than it is worth.  I'll just eat the cost because I don't
>>> expect them
>>>
>>>     > to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the voices.
>>>     > I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the future.
>>>     >
>>>     > Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers?  If
>>> so, how
>>>
>>>     > do we do it?
>>>     >
>>>     > James Robinson
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




 

Yes, these are USB headphones. I have gone through the sound setting to see if I can adjust them separately since they are basically their own sound card, but I have not been able to find something that would change the amount of base it is putting out.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 12:59 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Are you using USB speakers and a USB headphone as well? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

I figured it out. It helped to use the JAWS trial I had to do it. It
picks up more than NVDA does.
However the voices are ... odd. I'm hearing another voice when I'm
typing and don't know what it is. It is a tad laggy when it comes to
my typing.
Oh, well... I will have to figure it out or get a newer headset,
lol.This new one has a lot of bass to it that I can't turn off. It
also clips off the first letter of most lines, words, and button for
some reason when I use the add that shall not be named which is why I
looked into this again.

Thanks for your help, appreciate it.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
> Hey again.
>
> Yes, now that you mention it, I remember that list box where you have to
> select being somewhat too silent with NVDA. I think I had better luck with
> JAWS 18, which I also have on this computer. I think I'll try playing with
> it again and see exactly what happens. This is something that NVDA users
> should certainly be able to do without trouble.
>
> I did not download that .exe file. It seemed like a better idea to just use
> the Windows interface to do this. I think the source is trustworthy but I'm
> not positive, and you'd have to give the program admin rights to muck about
> with your file permissions, so I dunno.
>
> The good news is that Windows actually comes with a take ownership utility.
> It's called takeown.exe and I didn't know about it until recently. The bad
> news (possibly) is that it's command line only, so you'll have to get the
> syntax right and everything. You'd have to run in command prompt,
> administrator, or in powershell. I took a quick look at the usage info with
> "takeown /?" and, maybe because it's Friday evening and my brain is fried
> trying to apply to jobs, but as of now I can't make head nor tail of it. If
> you're familiar with Windows command line applications though, this could be
> a no-brainer for you. It's been a long time since I had to tinker much with
> such things.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa
> Jean
> Sent: March 2, 2018 5:48 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
> CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>
> Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing something
> when I was trying.
> Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I admit that I
> wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things while going
> through the properties/security window.
>
> On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
>> Hey Melissa.
>>
>> Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to
>> paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm 99% sure
>> you will be able to get it to work.
>>
>> https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-access-to-
>> files-and-folders-in-windows-10/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Melissa Jean
>> Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
>> CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>>
>> Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset and
>> it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using and
>> wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini file and
>> of course it did not work. I went into the properties and I can't seem
>> to find a way to give full access or write permissions to at least
>> administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini file.
>> Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?
>>
>> Thanks much
>> On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
>>> Hey.
>>>
>>> I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep
>>> mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to put it
>>> in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not
>>> know if this can be done at all. Anyone?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Cohn, Jonathan
>>> Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
>>> CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>>>
>>> Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
>>> Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific setings
>>> files.
>>>
>>> Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting
>>> these rather than the ini file.
>>>
>>> Best Wishes,
>>>
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.
>>>
>>> Best Wishes,
>>>
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey"
>>> <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Melissa.
>>>
>>>     Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run
>>> notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10
>>> at least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the
>>> file by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties
>>> dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in
>>> Windows 10 function.
>>> I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is
>>> the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back
>>> again.
>>> Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
>>> particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.
>>>
>>>     Where exactly the file is depends on what you are
>>> using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1
>>> voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this path
>>> location:
>>>     C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
>>>     And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
>>>     M1033David.INI
>>>
>>>
>>>     The lines you are looking ror are these two:
>>>     IntonationPhraseBoundary=
>>>     SentenceBoundary=
>>>
>>>     I do not remember what the original values were at the moment,
>>> but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the
>>> sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though
>>> you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and
>>> what you like.
>>>
>>>     If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
>>> resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list
>>> may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which
>>> I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file
>>> showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
>>> Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -----Original Message-----
>>>     From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>> Of Melissa Jean
>>>     Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
>>>     To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>     Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>>>
>>>     This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this purchase.
>>> I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry
>>> about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.
>>>
>>>     I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off
>>> from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini
>>> file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.
>>>
>>>     What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to
>>> edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
>>>     Sorry for the barrage of questions.
>>>
>>>     Thank you
>>>     On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
>>>     > I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least
>>> absolutely
>>>
>>>     > have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses
>>> between
>>>     > sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a
>>> period is
>>>
>>>     > completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at
>>> least you can adjust it.
>>>     > Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it back
>>> to
>>>     > original setting at least three times now, and I've had to
>>> change it
>>>     > back.
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > -----Original Message-----
>>>     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>>     > Rosemarie Chavarria
>>>     > Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
>>>     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>     > Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>>>     >
>>>     > Hi, David,
>>>     >
>>>     > Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
>>>     >
>>>     > Rosemarie
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > -----Original Message-----
>>>     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>>     > James Robinson
>>>     > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
>>>     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>     > Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
>>>     > Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>>>     >
>>>     > Hello!
>>>     >
>>>     > You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of
>>> deactivating
>>>     > constantly.  I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have
>>> in
>>>     > NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
>>> Eloquence or
>>>
>>>     > the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than
>>> the
>>>     > standard NVDA voice in my opinion.  I think CodeFactory could make
>>>     > this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen
>>> readers.
>>>     > They end up making the program far too much trouble to use in NVDA
>>>     > than it is worth.  I'll just eat the cost because I don't
>>> expect them
>>>
>>>     > to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the voices.
>>>     > I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the future.
>>>     >
>>>     > Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers?  If
>>> so, how
>>>
>>>     > do we do it?
>>>     >
>>>     > James Robinson
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




Gene
 

You might do better, and it would be simplir and perhaps cheaper, to get a simple pair of headphones you plug into the output jack of a sound card.  Just regular headphones that you can use with any standard output jack.  Many times, settings, if they are available to change bass and trebble are inaccessible in sound card software.  Just getting a cheap pair of headphones might be the best solution.  For convenience, you could get an extension cable with a volume knob so you can leave the computer volume setting the same.
 
If you want headphones for serious music listening you could get good standard headphones or good USB headphones but just for screen-reader use, just a cheap pair, maybe ten or fifteen U.S. dollars, might be fine.  I haven't listened to really cheap headphones so you might want to spend a little more.  If there is a store near you where you can buy headphones and it has a good return policy, that would allow you to return them more conveniently than by shipping them back somewhere. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Yes, these are USB headphones. I have gone through the sound setting to see if I can adjust them separately since they are basically their own sound card, but I have not been able to find something that would change the amount of base it is putting out.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 12:59 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Are you using USB speakers and a USB headphone as well? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

I figured it out. It helped to use the JAWS trial I had to do it. It
picks up more than NVDA does.
However the voices are ... odd. I'm hearing another voice when I'm
typing and don't know what it is. It is a tad laggy when it comes to
my typing.
Oh, well... I will have to figure it out or get a newer headset,
lol.This new one has a lot of bass to it that I can't turn off. It
also clips off the first letter of most lines, words, and button for
some reason when I use the add that shall not be named which is why I
looked into this again.

Thanks for your help, appreciate it.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
> Hey again.
>
> Yes, now that you mention it, I remember that list box where you have to
> select being somewhat too silent with NVDA. I think I had better luck with
> JAWS 18, which I also have on this computer. I think I'll try playing with
> it again and see exactly what happens. This is something that NVDA users
> should certainly be able to do without trouble.
>
> I did not download that .exe file. It seemed like a better idea to just use
> the Windows interface to do this. I think the source is trustworthy but I'm
> not positive, and you'd have to give the program admin rights to muck about
> with your file permissions, so I dunno.
>
> The good news is that Windows actually comes with a take ownership utility.
> It's called takeown.exe and I didn't know about it until recently. The bad
> news (possibly) is that it's command line only, so you'll have to get the
> syntax right and everything. You'd have to run in command prompt,
> administrator, or in powershell. I took a quick look at the usage info with
> "takeown /?" and, maybe because it's Friday evening and my brain is fried
> trying to apply to jobs, but as of now I can't make head nor tail of it. If
> you're familiar with Windows command line applications though, this could be
> a no-brainer for you. It's been a long time since I had to tinker much with
> such things.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa
> Jean
> Sent: March 2, 2018 5:48 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
> CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>
> Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing something
> when I was trying.
> Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I admit that I
> wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things while going
> through the properties/security window.
>
> On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
>> Hey Melissa.
>>
>> Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to
>> paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm 99% sure
>> you will be able to get it to work.
>>
>> https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-access-to-
>> files-and-folders-in-windows-10/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Melissa Jean
>> Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
>> CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>>
>> Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset and
>> it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using and
>> wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini file and
>> of course it did not work. I went into the properties and I can't seem
>> to find a way to give full access or write permissions to at least
>> administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini file.
>> Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?
>>
>> Thanks much
>> On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
>>> Hey.
>>>
>>> I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep
>>> mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to put it
>>> in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not
>>> know if this can be done at all. Anyone?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Cohn, Jonathan
>>> Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
>>> CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>>>
>>> Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
>>> Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific setings
>>> files.
>>>
>>> Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting
>>> these rather than the ini file.
>>>
>>> Best Wishes,
>>>
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.
>>>
>>> Best Wishes,
>>>
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey"
>>> <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Melissa.
>>>
>>>     Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run
>>> notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10
>>> at least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the
>>> file by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties
>>> dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in
>>> Windows 10 function.
>>> I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is
>>> the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back
>>> again.
>>> Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
>>> particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.
>>>
>>>     Where exactly the file is depends on what you are
>>> using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1
>>> voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this path
>>> location:
>>>     C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
>>>     And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
>>>     M1033David.INI
>>>
>>>
>>>     The lines you are looking ror are these two:
>>>     IntonationPhraseBoundary=
>>>     SentenceBoundary=
>>>
>>>     I do not remember what the original values were at the moment,
>>> but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the
>>> sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though
>>> you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and
>>> what you like.
>>>
>>>     If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
>>> resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list
>>> may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which
>>> I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file
>>> showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
>>> Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -----Original Message-----
>>>     From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>> Of Melissa Jean
>>>     Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
>>>     To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>     Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>>>
>>>     This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this purchase.
>>> I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry
>>> about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.
>>>
>>>     I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off
>>> from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini
>>> file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.
>>>
>>>     What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to
>>> edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
>>>     Sorry for the barrage of questions.
>>>
>>>     Thank you
>>>     On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
>>>     > I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least
>>> absolutely
>>>
>>>     > have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses
>>> between
>>>     > sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a
>>> period is
>>>
>>>     > completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at
>>> least you can adjust it.
>>>     > Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it back
>>> to
>>>     > original setting at least three times now, and I've had to
>>> change it
>>>     > back.
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > -----Original Message-----
>>>     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>>     > Rosemarie Chavarria
>>>     > Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
>>>     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>     > Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>>>     >
>>>     > Hi, David,
>>>     >
>>>     > Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
>>>     >
>>>     > Rosemarie
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > -----Original Message-----
>>>     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>>     > James Robinson
>>>     > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
>>>     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>     > Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
>>>     > Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>>>     >
>>>     > Hello!
>>>     >
>>>     > You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of
>>> deactivating
>>>     > constantly.  I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have
>>> in
>>>     > NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
>>> Eloquence or
>>>
>>>     > the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than
>>> the
>>>     > standard NVDA voice in my opinion.  I think CodeFactory could make
>>>     > this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen
>>> readers.
>>>     > They end up making the program far too much trouble to use in NVDA
>>>     > than it is worth.  I'll just eat the cost because I don't
>>> expect them
>>>
>>>     > to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the voices.
>>>     > I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the future.
>>>     >
>>>     > Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers?  If
>>> so, how
>>>
>>>     > do we do it?
>>>     >
>>>     > James Robinson
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




 

I wanted a headset. I also in particular about how to wear this headset--I prefer behind the head. I used my jaws trial and it did not do the same things that my synthesizer for NVDA did. I have 30 days left still to either get used to it or choose a different set. I might try and find the same model but using just a regular plug-in. I think I might look into getting eloquence--I'm hoping the other version that is not the ad on version works better. Thank you for taking the time to give me some opinions.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 6:37 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

You might do better, and it would be simplir and perhaps cheaper, to get a simple pair of headphones you plug into the output jack of a sound card.  Just regular headphones that you can use with any standard output jack.  Many times, settings, if they are available to change bass and trebble are inaccessible in sound card software.  Just getting a cheap pair of headphones might be the best solution.  For convenience, you could get an extension cable with a volume knob so you can leave the computer volume setting the same.
 
If you want headphones for serious music listening you could get good standard headphones or good USB headphones but just for screen-reader use, just a cheap pair, maybe ten or fifteen U.S. dollars, might be fine.  I haven't listened to really cheap headphones so you might want to spend a little more.  If there is a store near you where you can buy headphones and it has a good return policy, that would allow you to return them more conveniently than by shipping them back somewhere. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Yes, these are USB headphones. I have gone through the sound setting to see if I can adjust them separately since they are basically their own sound card, but I have not been able to find something that would change the amount of base it is putting out.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 12:59 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Are you using USB speakers and a USB headphone as well? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

I figured it out. It helped to use the JAWS trial I had to do it. It
picks up more than NVDA does.
However the voices are ... odd. I'm hearing another voice when I'm
typing and don't know what it is. It is a tad laggy when it comes to
my typing.
Oh, well... I will have to figure it out or get a newer headset,
lol.This new one has a lot of bass to it that I can't turn off. It
also clips off the first letter of most lines, words, and button for
some reason when I use the add that shall not be named which is why I
looked into this again.

Thanks for your help, appreciate it.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
> Hey again.
>
> Yes, now that you mention it, I remember that list box where you have to
> select being somewhat too silent with NVDA. I think I had better luck with
> JAWS 18, which I also have on this computer. I think I'll try playing with
> it again and see exactly what happens. This is something that NVDA users
> should certainly be able to do without trouble.
>
> I did not download that .exe file. It seemed like a better idea to just use
> the Windows interface to do this. I think the source is trustworthy but I'm
> not positive, and you'd have to give the program admin rights to muck about
> with your file permissions, so I dunno.
>
> The good news is that Windows actually comes with a take ownership utility.
> It's called takeown.exe and I didn't know about it until recently. The bad
> news (possibly) is that it's command line only, so you'll have to get the
> syntax right and everything. You'd have to run in command prompt,
> administrator, or in powershell. I took a quick look at the usage info with
> "takeown /?" and, maybe because it's Friday evening and my brain is fried
> trying to apply to jobs, but as of now I can't make head nor tail of it. If
> you're familiar with Windows command line applications though, this could be
> a no-brainer for you. It's been a long time since I had to tinker much with
> such things.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa
> Jean
> Sent: March 2, 2018 5:48 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
> CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>
> Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing something
> when I was trying.
> Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I admit that I
> wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things while going
> through the properties/security window.
>
> On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
>> Hey Melissa.
>>
>> Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to
>> paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm 99% sure
>> you will be able to get it to work.
>>
>> https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-access-to-
>> files-and-folders-in-windows-10/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Melissa Jean
>> Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
>> CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>>
>> Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset and
>> it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using and
>> wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini file and
>> of course it did not work. I went into the properties and I can't seem
>> to find a way to give full access or write permissions to at least
>> administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini file.
>> Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?
>>
>> Thanks much
>> On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
>>> Hey.
>>>
>>> I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep
>>> mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to put it
>>> in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not
>>> know if this can be done at all. Anyone?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Cohn, Jonathan
>>> Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
>>> CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>>>
>>> Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
>>> Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific setings
>>> files.
>>>
>>> Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting
>>> these rather than the ini file.
>>>
>>> Best Wishes,
>>>
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.
>>>
>>> Best Wishes,
>>>
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey"
>>> <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Melissa.
>>>
>>>     Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run
>>> notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10
>>> at least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the
>>> file by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties
>>> dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in
>>> Windows 10 function.
>>> I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is
>>> the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back
>>> again.
>>> Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
>>> particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.
>>>
>>>     Where exactly the file is depends on what you are
>>> using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1
>>> voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this path
>>> location:
>>>     C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
>>>     And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
>>>     M1033David.INI
>>>
>>>
>>>     The lines you are looking ror are these two:
>>>     IntonationPhraseBoundary=
>>>     SentenceBoundary=
>>>
>>>     I do not remember what the original values were at the moment,
>>> but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the
>>> sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though
>>> you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and
>>> what you like.
>>>
>>>     If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
>>> resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list
>>> may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which
>>> I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file
>>> showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
>>> Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -----Original Message-----
>>>     From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>> Of Melissa Jean
>>>     Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
>>>     To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>     Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>>>
>>>     This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this purchase.
>>> I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry
>>> about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.
>>>
>>>     I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off
>>> from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini
>>> file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.
>>>
>>>     What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to
>>> edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
>>>     Sorry for the barrage of questions.
>>>
>>>     Thank you
>>>     On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
>>>     > I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least
>>> absolutely
>>>
>>>     > have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses
>>> between
>>>     > sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a
>>> period is
>>>
>>>     > completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at
>>> least you can adjust it.
>>>     > Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it back
>>> to
>>>     > original setting at least three times now, and I've had to
>>> change it
>>>     > back.
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > -----Original Message-----
>>>     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>>     > Rosemarie Chavarria
>>>     > Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
>>>     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>     > Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>>>     >
>>>     > Hi, David,
>>>     >
>>>     > Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
>>>     >
>>>     > Rosemarie
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > -----Original Message-----
>>>     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>>     > James Robinson
>>>     > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
>>>     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>     > Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
>>>     > Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>>>     >
>>>     > Hello!
>>>     >
>>>     > You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of
>>> deactivating
>>>     > constantly.  I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have
>>> in
>>>     > NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
>>> Eloquence or
>>>
>>>     > the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than
>>> the
>>>     > standard NVDA voice in my opinion.  I think CodeFactory could make
>>>     > this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen
>>> readers.
>>>     > They end up making the program far too much trouble to use in NVDA
>>>     > than it is worth.  I'll just eat the cost because I don't
>>> expect them
>>>
>>>     > to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the voices.
>>>     > I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the future.
>>>     >
>>>     > Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers?  If
>>> so, how
>>>
>>>     > do we do it?
>>>     >
>>>     > James Robinson
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Gene
 

We don't know what synthesizer you used with NVDA.  Why are you saing the headphones are related to the problem?  We don't have enough information to discuss the matter further.  If you use speakers, is whatever synthesizer you want used to be used? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

I wanted a headset. I also in particular about how to wear this headset--I prefer behind the head. I used my jaws trial and it did not do the same things that my synthesizer for NVDA did. I have 30 days left still to either get used to it or choose a different set. I might try and find the same model but using just a regular plug-in. I think I might look into getting eloquence--I'm hoping the other version that is not the ad on version works better. Thank you for taking the time to give me some opinions.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 6:37 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

You might do better, and it would be simplir and perhaps cheaper, to get a simple pair of headphones you plug into the output jack of a sound card.  Just regular headphones that you can use with any standard output jack.  Many times, settings, if they are available to change bass and trebble are inaccessible in sound card software.  Just getting a cheap pair of headphones might be the best solution.  For convenience, you could get an extension cable with a volume knob so you can leave the computer volume setting the same.
 
If you want headphones for serious music listening you could get good standard headphones or good USB headphones but just for screen-reader use, just a cheap pair, maybe ten or fifteen U.S. dollars, might be fine.  I haven't listened to really cheap headphones so you might want to spend a little more.  If there is a store near you where you can buy headphones and it has a good return policy, that would allow you to return them more conveniently than by shipping them back somewhere. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Yes, these are USB headphones. I have gone through the sound setting to see if I can adjust them separately since they are basically their own sound card, but I have not been able to find something that would change the amount of base it is putting out.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 12:59 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Are you using USB speakers and a USB headphone as well? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

I figured it out. It helped to use the JAWS trial I had to do it. It
picks up more than NVDA does.
However the voices are ... odd. I'm hearing another voice when I'm
typing and don't know what it is. It is a tad laggy when it comes to
my typing.
Oh, well... I will have to figure it out or get a newer headset,
lol.This new one has a lot of bass to it that I can't turn off. It
also clips off the first letter of most lines, words, and button for
some reason when I use the add that shall not be named which is why I
looked into this again.

Thanks for your help, appreciate it.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
> Hey again.
>
> Yes, now that you mention it, I remember that list box where you have to
> select being somewhat too silent with NVDA. I think I had better luck with
> JAWS 18, which I also have on this computer. I think I'll try playing with
> it again and see exactly what happens. This is something that NVDA users
> should certainly be able to do without trouble.
>
> I did not download that .exe file. It seemed like a better idea to just use
> the Windows interface to do this. I think the source is trustworthy but I'm
> not positive, and you'd have to give the program admin rights to muck about
> with your file permissions, so I dunno.
>
> The good news is that Windows actually comes with a take ownership utility.
> It's called takeown.exe and I didn't know about it until recently. The bad
> news (possibly) is that it's command line only, so you'll have to get the
> syntax right and everything. You'd have to run in command prompt,
> administrator, or in powershell. I took a quick look at the usage info with
> "takeown /?" and, maybe because it's Friday evening and my brain is fried
> trying to apply to jobs, but as of now I can't make head nor tail of it. If
> you're familiar with Windows command line applications though, this could be
> a no-brainer for you. It's been a long time since I had to tinker much with
> such things.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa
> Jean
> Sent: March 2, 2018 5:48 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
> CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>
> Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing something
> when I was trying.
> Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I admit that I
> wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things while going
> through the properties/security window.
>
> On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
>> Hey Melissa.
>>
>> Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to
>> paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm 99% sure
>> you will be able to get it to work.
>>
>> https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-access-to-
>> files-and-folders-in-windows-10/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Melissa Jean
>> Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
>> CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>>
>> Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset and
>> it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using and
>> wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini file and
>> of course it did not work. I went into the properties and I can't seem
>> to find a way to give full access or write permissions to at least
>> administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini file.
>> Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?
>>
>> Thanks much
>> On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
>>> Hey.
>>>
>>> I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep
>>> mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to put it
>>> in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not
>>> know if this can be done at all. Anyone?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Cohn, Jonathan
>>> Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
>>> CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>>>
>>> Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
>>> Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific setings
>>> files.
>>>
>>> Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting
>>> these rather than the ini file.
>>>
>>> Best Wishes,
>>>
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.
>>>
>>> Best Wishes,
>>>
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey"
>>> <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Melissa.
>>>
>>>     Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run
>>> notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10
>>> at least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the
>>> file by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties
>>> dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in
>>> Windows 10 function.
>>> I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is
>>> the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back
>>> again.
>>> Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
>>> particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.
>>>
>>>     Where exactly the file is depends on what you are
>>> using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1
>>> voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this path
>>> location:
>>>     C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
>>>     And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
>>>     M1033David.INI
>>>
>>>
>>>     The lines you are looking ror are these two:
>>>     IntonationPhraseBoundary=
>>>     SentenceBoundary=
>>>
>>>     I do not remember what the original values were at the moment,
>>> but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the
>>> sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though
>>> you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and
>>> what you like.
>>>
>>>     If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
>>> resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list
>>> may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which
>>> I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file
>>> showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
>>> Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -----Original Message-----
>>>     From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>> Of Melissa Jean
>>>     Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
>>>     To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>     Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>>>
>>>     This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this purchase.
>>> I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry
>>> about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.
>>>
>>>     I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off
>>> from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini
>>> file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.
>>>
>>>     What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to
>>> edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
>>>     Sorry for the barrage of questions.
>>>
>>>     Thank you
>>>     On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
>>>     > I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least
>>> absolutely
>>>
>>>     > have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses
>>> between
>>>     > sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a
>>> period is
>>>
>>>     > completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at
>>> least you can adjust it.
>>>     > Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it back
>>> to
>>>     > original setting at least three times now, and I've had to
>>> change it
>>>     > back.
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > -----Original Message-----
>>>     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>>     > Rosemarie Chavarria
>>>     > Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
>>>     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>     > Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>>>     >
>>>     > Hi, David,
>>>     >
>>>     > Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
>>>     >
>>>     > Rosemarie
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > -----Original Message-----
>>>     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>>     > James Robinson
>>>     > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
>>>     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>     > Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
>>>     > Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>>>     >
>>>     > Hello!
>>>     >
>>>     > You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of
>>> deactivating
>>>     > constantly.  I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have
>>> in
>>>     > NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
>>> Eloquence or
>>>
>>>     > the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than
>>> the
>>>     > standard NVDA voice in my opinion.  I think CodeFactory could make
>>>     > this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen
>>> readers.
>>>     > They end up making the program far too much trouble to use in NVDA
>>>     > than it is worth.  I'll just eat the cost because I don't
>>> expect them
>>>
>>>     > to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the voices.
>>>     > I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the future.
>>>     >
>>>     > Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers?  If
>>> so, how
>>>
>>>     > do we do it?
>>>     >
>>>     > James Robinson
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




Tyler Spivey
 

Have you tried disabling the audio enhancements? In the Sound control
panel, press Properties on your headset, see if it has an Enhancements
tab. There should be a checkbox in there called Disable all
enhancements. Check it.

On 3/3/2018 8:04 AM, Melissa Jean wrote:
I wanted a headset. I also in particular about how to wear this
headset--I prefer behind the head. I used my jaws trial and it did not
do the same things that my synthesizer for NVDA did. I have 30 days left
still to either get used to it or choose a different set. I might try
and find the same model but using just a regular plug-in. I think I
might look into getting eloquence--I'm hoping the other version that is
not the ad on version works better. Thank you for taking the time to
give me some opinions.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 6:37 AM, Gene <gsasner@...
<mailto:gsasner@...>> wrote:

You might do better, and it would be simplir and perhaps cheaper, to
get a simple pair of headphones you plug into the output jack of a
sound card.  Just regular headphones that you can use with any
standard output jack.  Many times, settings, if they are available to
change bass and trebble are inaccessible in sound card software.  Just
getting a cheap pair of headphones might be the best solution.  For
convenience, you could get an extension cable with a volume knob so
you can leave the computer volume setting the same.
 
If you want headphones for serious music listening you could get good
standard headphones or good USB headphones but just for screen-reader
use, just a cheap pair, maybe ten or fifteen U.S. dollars, might be
fine.  I haven't listened to really cheap headphones so you might want
to spend a little more.  If there is a store near you where you can
buy headphones and it has a good return policy, that would allow you
to return them more conveniently than by shipping them back somewhere. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Melissa Jean <mailto:Melissa.J.Hammitt@...>
*Sent:* Saturday, March 03, 2018 5:35 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Yes, these are USB headphones. I have gone through the sound setting
to see if I can adjust them separately since they are basically their
own sound card, but I have not been able to find something that would
change the amount of base it is putting out.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 12:59 AM, Gene <gsasner@...
<mailto:gsasner@...>> wrote:

Are you using USB speakers and a USB headphone as well? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Melissa Jean <mailto:Melissa.J.Hammitt@...>
*Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up
on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

I figured it out. It helped to use the JAWS trial I had to do it. It
picks up more than NVDA does.
However the voices are ... odd. I'm hearing another voice when I'm
typing and don't know what it is. It is a tad laggy when it comes to
my typing.
Oh, well... I will have to figure it out or get a newer headset,
lol.This new one has a lot of bass to it that I can't turn off. It
also clips off the first letter of most lines, words, and button for
some reason when I use the add that shall not be named which is why I
looked into this again.

Thanks for your help, appreciate it.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...
<mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:
Hey again.

Yes, now that you mention it, I remember that list box where you
have to
select being somewhat too silent with NVDA. I think I had better
luck with
JAWS 18, which I also have on this computer. I think I'll try
playing with
it again and see exactly what happens. This is something that NVDA
users
should certainly be able to do without trouble.

I did not download that .exe file. It seemed like a better idea to
just use
the Windows interface to do this. I think the source is trustworthy
but I'm
not positive, and you'd have to give the program admin rights to
muck about
with your file permissions, so I dunno.

The good news is that Windows actually comes with a take ownership
utility.
It's called takeown.exe and I didn't know about it until recently.
The bad
news (possibly) is that it's command line only, so you'll have to
get the
syntax right and everything. You'd have to run in command prompt,
administrator, or in powershell. I took a quick look at the usage
info with
"takeown /?" and, maybe because it's Friday evening and my brain is
fried
trying to apply to jobs, but as of now I can't make head nor tail
of it. If
you're familiar with Windows command line applications though, this
could be
a no-brainer for you. It's been a long time since I had to tinker
much with
such things.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa
Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing
something
when I was trying.
Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I admit
that I
wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things
while going
through the properties/security window.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...
<mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:
Hey Melissa.

Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to
paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm 99% sure
you will be able to get it to work.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-access-to-
files-and-folders-in-windows-10/

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Melissa Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset and
it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using and
wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini file and
of course it did not work. I went into the properties and I can't seem
to find a way to give full access or write permissions to at least
administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini file.
Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?

Thanks much
On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...
<mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:
Hey.

I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep
mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to put it
in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not
know if this can be done at all. Anyone?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific setings
files.

Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting
these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn
gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of JM Casey"
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of
crystallogic@... <mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:

     Hi Melissa.

     Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run
notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10
at least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the
file by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties
dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in
Windows 10 function.
I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is
the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back
again.
Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.

     Where exactly the file is depends on what you are
using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1
voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this
path
location:
     C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
     And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
     M1033David.INI


     The lines you are looking ror are these two:
     IntonationPhraseBoundary=
     SentenceBoundary=

     I do not remember what the original values were at the moment,
but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the
sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though
you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and
what you like.

     If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list
may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which
I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file
showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.



     -----Original Message-----
     From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Melissa Jean
     Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
     To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

     This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this
purchase.
I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry
about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.

     I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off
from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini
file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.

     What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to
edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
     Sorry for the barrage of questions.

     Thank you
     On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...
<mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:
     > I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least
absolutely

     > have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses
between
     > sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a
period is

     > completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at
least you can adjust it.
     > Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it
back
to
     > original setting at least three times now, and I've had to
change it
     > back.
     >
     >
     >
     > -----Original Message-----
     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
     > Rosemarie Chavarria
     > Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
     > Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
     >
     > Hi, David,
     >
     > Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
     >
     > Rosemarie
     >
     >
     >
     > -----Original Message-----
     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
     > James Robinson
     > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
     > Cc: blindtech@groups.io <mailto:blindtech@groups.io>;
win10@groups.io <mailto:win10@groups.io>
     > Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
     >
     > Hello!
     >
     > You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of
deactivating
     > constantly.  I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they
have
in
     > NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
Eloquence or

     > the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than
the
     > standard NVDA voice in my opinion.  I think CodeFactory
could make
     > this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen
readers.
     > They end up making the program far too much trouble to use
in NVDA
     > than it is worth.  I'll just eat the cost because I don't
expect them

     > to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the
voices.
     > I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the
future.
     >
     > Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers?  If
so, how

     > do we do it?
     >
     > James Robinson
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >
     >



























 

I looked when I first plugged it in. It was the first thing I had looked for. I only recall seeing something about Microsoft headphones and there being a combo box that would go to the Microsoft store if I opened it. I will have to look at it again when I get a chance to. I was not able to find anything like that.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 10:30 AM, Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...> wrote:

Have you tried disabling the audio enhancements? In the Sound control
panel, press Properties on your headset, see if it has an Enhancements
tab. There should be a checkbox in there called Disable all
enhancements. Check it.

On 3/3/2018 8:04 AM, Melissa Jean wrote:
I wanted a headset. I also in particular about how to wear this
headset--I prefer behind the head. I used my jaws trial and it did not
do the same things that my synthesizer for NVDA did. I have 30 days left
still to either get used to it or choose a different set. I might try
and find the same model but using just a regular plug-in. I think I
might look into getting eloquence--I'm hoping the other version that is
not the ad on version works better. Thank you for taking the time to
give me some opinions.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 6:37 AM, Gene <gsasner@...
<mailto:gsasner@...>> wrote:

You might do better, and it would be simplir and perhaps cheaper, to
get a simple pair of headphones you plug into the output jack of a
sound card. Just regular headphones that you can use with any
standard output jack. Many times, settings, if they are available to
change bass and trebble are inaccessible in sound card software. Just
getting a cheap pair of headphones might be the best solution. For
convenience, you could get an extension cable with a volume knob so
you can leave the computer volume setting the same.

If you want headphones for serious music listening you could get good
standard headphones or good USB headphones but just for screen-reader
use, just a cheap pair, maybe ten or fifteen U.S. dollars, might be
fine. I haven't listened to really cheap headphones so you might want
to spend a little more. If there is a store near you where you can
buy headphones and it has a good return policy, that would allow you
to return them more conveniently than by shipping them back somewhere.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Melissa Jean <mailto:Melissa.J.Hammitt@...>
*Sent:* Saturday, March 03, 2018 5:35 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Yes, these are USB headphones. I have gone through the sound setting
to see if I can adjust them separately since they are basically their
own sound card, but I have not been able to find something that would
change the amount of base it is putting out.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 12:59 AM, Gene <gsasner@...
<mailto:gsasner@...>> wrote:

Are you using USB speakers and a USB headphone as well?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Melissa Jean <mailto:Melissa.J.Hammitt@...>
*Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up
on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

I figured it out. It helped to use the JAWS trial I had to do it. It
picks up more than NVDA does.
However the voices are ... odd. I'm hearing another voice when I'm
typing and don't know what it is. It is a tad laggy when it comes to
my typing.
Oh, well... I will have to figure it out or get a newer headset,
lol.This new one has a lot of bass to it that I can't turn off. It
also clips off the first letter of most lines, words, and button for
some reason when I use the add that shall not be named which is why I
looked into this again.

Thanks for your help, appreciate it.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...
<mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:
Hey again.

Yes, now that you mention it, I remember that list box where you
have to
select being somewhat too silent with NVDA. I think I had better
luck with
JAWS 18, which I also have on this computer. I think I'll try
playing with
it again and see exactly what happens. This is something that NVDA
users
should certainly be able to do without trouble.

I did not download that .exe file. It seemed like a better idea to
just use
the Windows interface to do this. I think the source is trustworthy
but I'm
not positive, and you'd have to give the program admin rights to
muck about
with your file permissions, so I dunno.

The good news is that Windows actually comes with a take ownership
utility.
It's called takeown.exe and I didn't know about it until recently.
The bad
news (possibly) is that it's command line only, so you'll have to
get the
syntax right and everything. You'd have to run in command prompt,
administrator, or in powershell. I took a quick look at the usage
info with
"takeown /?" and, maybe because it's Friday evening and my brain is
fried
trying to apply to jobs, but as of now I can't make head nor tail
of it. If
you're familiar with Windows command line applications though, this
could be
a no-brainer for you. It's been a long time since I had to tinker
much with
such things.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa
Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing
something
when I was trying.
Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I admit
that I
wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things
while going
through the properties/security window.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...
<mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:
Hey Melissa.

Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to
paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm 99% sure
you will be able to get it to work.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-access-to-
files-and-folders-in-windows-10/

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Melissa Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset and
it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using and
wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini file and
of course it did not work. I went into the properties and I can't seem
to find a way to give full access or write permissions to at least
administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini file.
Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?

Thanks much
On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...
<mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:
Hey.

I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep
mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to put it
in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not
know if this can be done at all. Anyone?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific setings
files.

Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting
these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn
gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of JM Casey"
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of
crystallogic@... <mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:

Hi Melissa.

Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run
notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10
at least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the
file by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties
dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in
Windows 10 function.
I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is
the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back
again.
Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.

Where exactly the file is depends on what you are
using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1
voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this
path
location:
C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
M1033David.INI


The lines you are looking ror are these two:
IntonationPhraseBoundary=
SentenceBoundary=

I do not remember what the original values were at the moment,
but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the
sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though
you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and
what you like.

If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list
may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which
I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file
showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Melissa Jean
Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this
purchase.
I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry
about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.

I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off
from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini
file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.

What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to
edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
Sorry for the barrage of questions.

Thank you
On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...
<mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:
> I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least
absolutely

> have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses
between
> sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a
period is

> completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at
least you can adjust it.
> Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it
back
to
> original setting at least three times now, and I've had to
change it
> back.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
> Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hi, David,
>
> Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
> James Robinson
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Cc: blindtech@groups.io <mailto:blindtech@groups.io>;
win10@groups.io <mailto:win10@groups.io>
> Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hello!
>
> You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of
deactivating
> constantly. I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they
have
in
> NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
Eloquence or

> the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than
the
> standard NVDA voice in my opinion. I think CodeFactory
could make
> this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen
readers.
> They end up making the program far too much trouble to use
in NVDA
> than it is worth. I'll just eat the cost because I don't
expect them

> to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the
voices.
> I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the
future.
>
> Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers? If
so, how

> do we do it?
>
> James Robinson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





























JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hi.

I'm somewhat familiar with overly bassy headphones, but not, I think the type you have described. All my headphones have always used RCA plugs or the other small jack whose designation I can't recall at the moment, and have plugged either directly into the sound card or into the connected speakers themselves.

Do you have a speakers or volume icon in your system tray? I believe you can also get to this through sound in control panel. There should be bass/trebble adjustment sliders there at the very least, as well as a general volume setting.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Jean
Sent: March 3, 2018 12:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

I looked when I first plugged it in. It was the first thing I had looked for. I only recall seeing something about Microsoft headphones and there being a combo box that would go to the Microsoft store if I opened it. I will have to look at it again when I get a chance to. I was not able to find anything like that.

Melissa
On Mar 3, 2018, at 10:30 AM, Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...> wrote:

Have you tried disabling the audio enhancements? In the Sound control
panel, press Properties on your headset, see if it has an Enhancements
tab. There should be a checkbox in there called Disable all
enhancements. Check it.

On 3/3/2018 8:04 AM, Melissa Jean wrote:
I wanted a headset. I also in particular about how to wear this
headset--I prefer behind the head. I used my jaws trial and it did
not do the same things that my synthesizer for NVDA did. I have 30
days left still to either get used to it or choose a different set. I
might try and find the same model but using just a regular plug-in. I
think I might look into getting eloquence--I'm hoping the other
version that is not the ad on version works better. Thank you for
taking the time to give me some opinions.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 6:37 AM, Gene <gsasner@...
<mailto:gsasner@...>> wrote:

You might do better, and it would be simplir and perhaps cheaper, to
get a simple pair of headphones you plug into the output jack of a
sound card. Just regular headphones that you can use with any
standard output jack. Many times, settings, if they are available
to change bass and trebble are inaccessible in sound card software.
Just getting a cheap pair of headphones might be the best solution.
For convenience, you could get an extension cable with a volume knob
so you can leave the computer volume setting the same.

If you want headphones for serious music listening you could get
good standard headphones or good USB headphones but just for
screen-reader use, just a cheap pair, maybe ten or fifteen U.S.
dollars, might be fine. I haven't listened to really cheap
headphones so you might want to spend a little more. If there is a
store near you where you can buy headphones and it has a good return
policy, that would allow you to return them more conveniently than by shipping them back somewhere.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Melissa Jean <mailto:Melissa.J.Hammitt@...>
*Sent:* Saturday, March 03, 2018 5:35 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up
on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Yes, these are USB headphones. I have gone through the sound setting
to see if I can adjust them separately since they are basically
their own sound card, but I have not been able to find something
that would change the amount of base it is putting out.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 12:59 AM, Gene <gsasner@...
<mailto:gsasner@...>> wrote:

Are you using USB speakers and a USB headphone as well?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Melissa Jean <mailto:Melissa.J.Hammitt@...>
*Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up
on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

I figured it out. It helped to use the JAWS trial I had to do it.
It picks up more than NVDA does.
However the voices are ... odd. I'm hearing another voice when I'm
typing and don't know what it is. It is a tad laggy when it comes
to my typing.
Oh, well... I will have to figure it out or get a newer headset,
lol.This new one has a lot of bass to it that I can't turn off. It
also clips off the first letter of most lines, words, and button
for some reason when I use the add that shall not be named which is
why I looked into this again.

Thanks for your help, appreciate it.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...
<mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:
Hey again.

Yes, now that you mention it, I remember that list box where you
have to
select being somewhat too silent with NVDA. I think I had better
luck with
JAWS 18, which I also have on this computer. I think I'll try
playing with
it again and see exactly what happens. This is something that NVDA
users
should certainly be able to do without trouble.

I did not download that .exe file. It seemed like a better idea to
just use
the Windows interface to do this. I think the source is
trustworthy
but I'm
not positive, and you'd have to give the program admin rights to
muck about
with your file permissions, so I dunno.

The good news is that Windows actually comes with a take ownership
utility.
It's called takeown.exe and I didn't know about it until recently.
The bad
news (possibly) is that it's command line only, so you'll have to
get the
syntax right and everything. You'd have to run in command prompt,
administrator, or in powershell. I took a quick look at the usage
info with
"takeown /?" and, maybe because it's Friday evening and my brain
is
fried
trying to apply to jobs, but as of now I can't make head nor tail
of it. If
you're familiar with Windows command line applications though,
this
could be
a no-brainer for you. It's been a long time since I had to tinker
much with
such things.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa
Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up
on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing
something
when I was trying.
Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I
admit
that I
wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things
while going
through the properties/security window.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...
<mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:
Hey Melissa.

Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to
paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm 99%
sure you will be able to get it to work.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-acces
s-to-
files-and-folders-in-windows-10/

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Melissa Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up
on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset
and it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using
and wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini
file and of course it did not work. I went into the properties
and I can't seem to find a way to give full access or write
permissions to at least administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini file.
Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?

Thanks much
On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...
<mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:
Hey.

I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep
mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to
put it in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And
I do not know if this can be done at all. Anyone?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving
up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific
setings files.

Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for
adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn
gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of JM Casey"
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of
crystallogic@... <mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:

Hi Melissa.

Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough
to run notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using
Windows 10 at least. You will have to grant yourself permission
to change the file by taking ownership of it using the
attributes in the properties dialog. To be honest, I don't 100%
understand how ownership rites in Windows 10 function.
I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting,
which is the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft
changing it back again.
Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.

Where exactly the file is depends on what you are
using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer
Core1 voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was
at this
path
location:
C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
M1033David.INI


The lines you are looking ror are these two:
IntonationPhraseBoundary=
SentenceBoundary=

I do not remember what the original values were at the
moment, but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I
altered the sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better
to me, though you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and
see what you get and what you like.

If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the
list may understand this better than I do. It's one of those
things which I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a
Windows ini file showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Melissa Jean
Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this
purchase.
I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to
worry about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.

I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn
me off from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing
updating the ini file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.

What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line
found to edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
Sorry for the barrage of questions.

Thank you
On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...
<mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:
> I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at
least absolutely

> have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he
pauses between
> sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after
a period is

> completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still,
at least you can adjust it.
> Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered
it
back
to
> original setting at least three times now, and I've had
to change it
> back.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
> Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hi, David,
>
> Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
> James Robinson
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Cc: blindtech@groups.io <mailto:blindtech@groups.io>;
win10@groups.io <mailto:win10@groups.io>
> Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>
> Hello!
>
> You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of
deactivating
> constantly. I checked out one of the Microsoft voices
they
have
in
> NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
Eloquence or

> the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little
better than the
> standard NVDA voice in my opinion. I think CodeFactory
could make
> this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other
screen readers.
> They end up making the program far too much trouble to
use
in NVDA
> than it is worth. I'll just eat the cost because I don't
expect them

> to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the
voices.
> I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the
future.
>
> Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows
offers? If so, how

> do we do it?
>
> James Robinson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





























 

I use the add on quote that shall not be named " and it worked fine with my old headset that was just a plug-in headset. I don't use speaker to listen to my computer. I did not notice the change until I used this new headset--and I figured that it was the headset being as it is a USB headset. I think it just may be the ad on it self because I do not have the same issues when I use other synthesizers or the jaws trial. It is odd because I only get the first letter of each word clipped. When I do and NVDA up arrow to read that section again I don't get the first letter clipped. Another thing that it does sometimes is to pronounce and S as a be like instead of sound it will be bound. 

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 10:23 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

We don't know what synthesizer you used with NVDA.  Why are you saing the headphones are related to the problem?  We don't have enough information to discuss the matter further.  If you use speakers, is whatever synthesizer you want used to be used? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

I wanted a headset. I also in particular about how to wear this headset--I prefer behind the head. I used my jaws trial and it did not do the same things that my synthesizer for NVDA did. I have 30 days left still to either get used to it or choose a different set. I might try and find the same model but using just a regular plug-in. I think I might look into getting eloquence--I'm hoping the other version that is not the ad on version works better. Thank you for taking the time to give me some opinions.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 6:37 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

You might do better, and it would be simplir and perhaps cheaper, to get a simple pair of headphones you plug into the output jack of a sound card.  Just regular headphones that you can use with any standard output jack.  Many times, settings, if they are available to change bass and trebble are inaccessible in sound card software.  Just getting a cheap pair of headphones might be the best solution.  For convenience, you could get an extension cable with a volume knob so you can leave the computer volume setting the same.
 
If you want headphones for serious music listening you could get good standard headphones or good USB headphones but just for screen-reader use, just a cheap pair, maybe ten or fifteen U.S. dollars, might be fine.  I haven't listened to really cheap headphones so you might want to spend a little more.  If there is a store near you where you can buy headphones and it has a good return policy, that would allow you to return them more conveniently than by shipping them back somewhere. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Yes, these are USB headphones. I have gone through the sound setting to see if I can adjust them separately since they are basically their own sound card, but I have not been able to find something that would change the amount of base it is putting out.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 12:59 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Are you using USB speakers and a USB headphone as well? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

I figured it out. It helped to use the JAWS trial I had to do it. It
picks up more than NVDA does.
However the voices are ... odd. I'm hearing another voice when I'm
typing and don't know what it is. It is a tad laggy when it comes to
my typing.
Oh, well... I will have to figure it out or get a newer headset,
lol.This new one has a lot of bass to it that I can't turn off. It
also clips off the first letter of most lines, words, and button for
some reason when I use the add that shall not be named which is why I
looked into this again.

Thanks for your help, appreciate it.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
> Hey again.
>
> Yes, now that you mention it, I remember that list box where you have to
> select being somewhat too silent with NVDA. I think I had better luck with
> JAWS 18, which I also have on this computer. I think I'll try playing with
> it again and see exactly what happens. This is something that NVDA users
> should certainly be able to do without trouble.
>
> I did not download that .exe file. It seemed like a better idea to just use
> the Windows interface to do this. I think the source is trustworthy but I'm
> not positive, and you'd have to give the program admin rights to muck about
> with your file permissions, so I dunno.
>
> The good news is that Windows actually comes with a take ownership utility.
> It's called takeown.exe and I didn't know about it until recently. The bad
> news (possibly) is that it's command line only, so you'll have to get the
> syntax right and everything. You'd have to run in command prompt,
> administrator, or in powershell. I took a quick look at the usage info with
> "takeown /?" and, maybe because it's Friday evening and my brain is fried
> trying to apply to jobs, but as of now I can't make head nor tail of it. If
> you're familiar with Windows command line applications though, this could be
> a no-brainer for you. It's been a long time since I had to tinker much with
> such things.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa
> Jean
> Sent: March 2, 2018 5:48 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
> CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>
> Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing something
> when I was trying.
> Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I admit that I
> wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things while going
> through the properties/security window.
>
> On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
>> Hey Melissa.
>>
>> Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to
>> paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm 99% sure
>> you will be able to get it to work.
>>
>> https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-access-to-
>> files-and-folders-in-windows-10/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Melissa Jean
>> Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
>> CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>>
>> Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset and
>> it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using and
>> wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini file and
>> of course it did not work. I went into the properties and I can't seem
>> to find a way to give full access or write permissions to at least
>> administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini file.
>> Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?
>>
>> Thanks much
>> On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
>>> Hey.
>>>
>>> I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep
>>> mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to put it
>>> in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And I do not
>>> know if this can be done at all. Anyone?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Cohn, Jonathan
>>> Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
>>> CodeFactory voices in NVDA)
>>>
>>> Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
>>> Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific setings
>>> files.
>>>
>>> Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for adjusting
>>> these rather than the ini file.
>>>
>>> Best Wishes,
>>>
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.
>>>
>>> Best Wishes,
>>>
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of JM Casey"
>>> <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of crystallogic@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Melissa.
>>>
>>>     Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough to run
>>> notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using Windows 10
>>> at least. You will have to grant yourself permission to change the
>>> file by taking ownership of it using the attributes in the properties
>>> dialog. To be honest, I don't 100% understand how ownership rites in
>>> Windows 10 function.
>>> I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting, which is
>>> the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft changing it back
>>> again.
>>> Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
>>> particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.
>>>
>>>     Where exactly the file is depends on what you are
>>> using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer Core1
>>> voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was at this path
>>> location:
>>>     C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
>>>     And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
>>>     M1033David.INI
>>>
>>>
>>>     The lines you are looking ror are these two:
>>>     IntonationPhraseBoundary=
>>>     SentenceBoundary=
>>>
>>>     I do not remember what the original values were at the moment,
>>> but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I altered the
>>> sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better to me, though
>>> you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and see what you get and
>>> what you like.
>>>
>>>     If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
>>> resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the list
>>> may understand this better than I do. It's one of those things which
>>> I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a Windows ini file
>>> showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
>>> Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -----Original Message-----
>>>     From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>> Of Melissa Jean
>>>     Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
>>>     To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>     Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>>>
>>>     This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this purchase.
>>> I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to worry
>>> about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.
>>>
>>>     I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn me off
>>> from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing updating the ini
>>> file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.
>>>
>>>     What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line found to
>>> edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
>>>     Sorry for the barrage of questions.
>>>
>>>     Thank you
>>>     On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
>>>     > I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at least
>>> absolutely
>>>
>>>     > have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he pauses
>>> between
>>>     > sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after a
>>> period is
>>>
>>>     > completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still, at
>>> least you can adjust it.
>>>     > Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered it back
>>> to
>>>     > original setting at least three times now, and I've had to
>>> change it
>>>     > back.
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > -----Original Message-----
>>>     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>>     > Rosemarie Chavarria
>>>     > Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
>>>     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>     > Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>>>     >
>>>     > Hi, David,
>>>     >
>>>     > Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.
>>>     >
>>>     > Rosemarie
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > -----Original Message-----
>>>     > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>>     > James Robinson
>>>     > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
>>>     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>     > Cc: blindtech@groups.io; win10@groups.io
>>>     > Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA
>>>     >
>>>     > Hello!
>>>     >
>>>     > You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of
>>> deactivating
>>>     > constantly.  I checked out one of the Microsoft voices they have
>>> in
>>>     > NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
>>> Eloquence or
>>>
>>>     > the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little better than
>>> the
>>>     > standard NVDA voice in my opinion.  I think CodeFactory could make
>>>     > this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other screen
>>> readers.
>>>     > They end up making the program far too much trouble to use in NVDA
>>>     > than it is worth.  I'll just eat the cost because I don't
>>> expect them
>>>
>>>     > to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the voices.
>>>     > I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the future.
>>>     >
>>>     > Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows offers?  If
>>> so, how
>>>
>>>     > do we do it?
>>>     >
>>>     > James Robinson
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




 

I understand what you are saying. I went there first when I was looking to adjust it. I could not find a tad to adjust the base and treble. There was only an option to adjust the left and right stereo function. I have a real tech sound card and I was able to find it to disable the extra step that it had going on. I have not been able to find something similar for this headset--which is a Plantronics headset.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 11:24 AM, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:

Hi.

I'm somewhat familiar with overly bassy headphones, but not, I think the type you have described. All my headphones have always used RCA plugs or the other small jack whose designation I can't recall at the moment, and have plugged either directly into the sound card or into the connected speakers themselves.

Do you have a speakers or volume icon in your system tray? I believe you can also get to this through sound in control panel. There should be bass/trebble adjustment sliders there at the very least, as well as a general volume setting.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Jean
Sent: March 3, 2018 12:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

I looked when I first plugged it in. It was the first thing I had looked for. I only recall seeing something about Microsoft headphones and there being a combo box that would go to the Microsoft store if I opened it. I will have to look at it again when I get a chance to. I was not able to find anything like that.

Melissa
On Mar 3, 2018, at 10:30 AM, Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...> wrote:

Have you tried disabling the audio enhancements? In the Sound control
panel, press Properties on your headset, see if it has an Enhancements
tab. There should be a checkbox in there called Disable all
enhancements. Check it.

On 3/3/2018 8:04 AM, Melissa Jean wrote:
I wanted a headset. I also in particular about how to wear this
headset--I prefer behind the head. I used my jaws trial and it did
not do the same things that my synthesizer for NVDA did. I have 30
days left still to either get used to it or choose a different set. I
might try and find the same model but using just a regular plug-in. I
think I might look into getting eloquence--I'm hoping the other
version that is not the ad on version works better. Thank you for
taking the time to give me some opinions.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 6:37 AM, Gene <gsasner@...
<mailto:gsasner@...>> wrote:

You might do better, and it would be simplir and perhaps cheaper, to
get a simple pair of headphones you plug into the output jack of a
sound card. Just regular headphones that you can use with any
standard output jack. Many times, settings, if they are available
to change bass and trebble are inaccessible in sound card software.
Just getting a cheap pair of headphones might be the best solution.
For convenience, you could get an extension cable with a volume knob
so you can leave the computer volume setting the same.

If you want headphones for serious music listening you could get
good standard headphones or good USB headphones but just for
screen-reader use, just a cheap pair, maybe ten or fifteen U.S.
dollars, might be fine. I haven't listened to really cheap
headphones so you might want to spend a little more. If there is a
store near you where you can buy headphones and it has a good return
policy, that would allow you to return them more conveniently than by shipping them back somewhere.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Melissa Jean <mailto:Melissa.J.Hammitt@...>
*Sent:* Saturday, March 03, 2018 5:35 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up
on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Yes, these are USB headphones. I have gone through the sound setting
to see if I can adjust them separately since they are basically
their own sound card, but I have not been able to find something
that would change the amount of base it is putting out.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 12:59 AM, Gene <gsasner@...
<mailto:gsasner@...>> wrote:

Are you using USB speakers and a USB headphone as well?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Melissa Jean <mailto:Melissa.J.Hammitt@...>
*Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up
on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

I figured it out. It helped to use the JAWS trial I had to do it.
It picks up more than NVDA does.
However the voices are ... odd. I'm hearing another voice when I'm
typing and don't know what it is. It is a tad laggy when it comes
to my typing.
Oh, well... I will have to figure it out or get a newer headset,
lol.This new one has a lot of bass to it that I can't turn off. It
also clips off the first letter of most lines, words, and button
for some reason when I use the add that shall not be named which is
why I looked into this again.

Thanks for your help, appreciate it.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...
<mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:
Hey again.

Yes, now that you mention it, I remember that list box where you
have to
select being somewhat too silent with NVDA. I think I had better
luck with
JAWS 18, which I also have on this computer. I think I'll try
playing with
it again and see exactly what happens. This is something that NVDA
users
should certainly be able to do without trouble.

I did not download that .exe file. It seemed like a better idea to
just use
the Windows interface to do this. I think the source is
trustworthy
but I'm
not positive, and you'd have to give the program admin rights to
muck about
with your file permissions, so I dunno.

The good news is that Windows actually comes with a take ownership
utility.
It's called takeown.exe and I didn't know about it until recently.
The bad
news (possibly) is that it's command line only, so you'll have to
get the
syntax right and everything. You'd have to run in command prompt,
administrator, or in powershell. I took a quick look at the usage
info with
"takeown /?" and, maybe because it's Friday evening and my brain
is
fried
trying to apply to jobs, but as of now I can't make head nor tail
of it. If
you're familiar with Windows command line applications though,
this
could be
a no-brainer for you. It's been a long time since I had to tinker
much with
such things.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa
Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up
on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing
something
when I was trying.
Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I
admit
that I
wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things
while going
through the properties/security window.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...
<mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:
Hey Melissa.

Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going to
paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm 99%
sure you will be able to get it to work.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-acces
s-to-
files-and-folders-in-windows-10/

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Melissa Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up
on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset
and it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using
and wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the ini
file and of course it did not work. I went into the properties
and I can't seem to find a way to give full access or write
permissions to at least administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini file.
Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?

Thanks much
On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...
<mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:
Hey.

I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep
mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to
put it in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And
I do not know if this can be done at all. Anyone?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving
up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific
setings files.

Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for
adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn
gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of JM Casey"
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of
crystallogic@... <mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:

Hi Melissa.

Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough
to run notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using
Windows 10 at least. You will have to grant yourself permission
to change the file by taking ownership of it using the
attributes in the properties dialog. To be honest, I don't 100%
understand how ownership rites in Windows 10 function.
I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting,
which is the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft
changing it back again.
Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.

Where exactly the file is depends on what you are
using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer
Core1 voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was
at this
path
location:
C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
M1033David.INI


The lines you are looking ror are these two:
IntonationPhraseBoundary=
SentenceBoundary=

I do not remember what the original values were at the
moment, but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I
altered the sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot better
to me, though you may prefer less of a pause. Play around and
see what you get and what you like.

If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on the
list may understand this better than I do. It's one of those
things which I thought I was familiar with, but trying to edit a
Windows ini file showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Melissa Jean
Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this
purchase.
I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to
worry about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.

I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn
me off from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing
updating the ini file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.

What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line
found to edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
Sorry for the barrage of questions.

Thank you
On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...
<mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:
I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at
least absolutely

have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he
pauses between
sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after
a period is

completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still,
at least you can adjust it.
Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered
it
back
to
original setting at least three times now, and I've had
to change it
back.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

Hi, David,

Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
James Robinson
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Cc: blindtech@groups.io <mailto:blindtech@groups.io>;
win10@groups.io <mailto:win10@groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

Hello!

You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of
deactivating
constantly. I checked out one of the Microsoft voices
they
have
in
NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
Eloquence or

the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little
better than the
standard NVDA voice in my opinion. I think CodeFactory
could make
this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other
screen readers.
They end up making the program far too much trouble to
use
in NVDA
than it is worth. I'll just eat the cost because I don't
expect them

to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the
voices.
I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the
future.

Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows
offers? If so, how

do we do it?

James Robinson










































JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

I don't know what model you have, but it does seem that many of the Pantronics headsets come with a physical tone control. I guess yours doesn't, but this should still be doable through software.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Jean
Sent: March 3, 2018 12:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

I understand what you are saying. I went there first when I was looking to adjust it. I could not find a tad to adjust the base and treble. There was only an option to adjust the left and right stereo function. I have a real tech sound card and I was able to find it to disable the extra step that it had going on. I have not been able to find something similar for this headset--which is a Plantronics headset.

Melissa
On Mar 3, 2018, at 11:24 AM, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:

Hi.

I'm somewhat familiar with overly bassy headphones, but not, I think the type you have described. All my headphones have always used RCA plugs or the other small jack whose designation I can't recall at the moment, and have plugged either directly into the sound card or into the connected speakers themselves.

Do you have a speakers or volume icon in your system tray? I believe you can also get to this through sound in control panel. There should be bass/trebble adjustment sliders there at the very least, as well as a general volume setting.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Melissa Jean
Sent: March 3, 2018 12:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up on
CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

I looked when I first plugged it in. It was the first thing I had looked for. I only recall seeing something about Microsoft headphones and there being a combo box that would go to the Microsoft store if I opened it. I will have to look at it again when I get a chance to. I was not able to find anything like that.

Melissa
On Mar 3, 2018, at 10:30 AM, Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...> wrote:

Have you tried disabling the audio enhancements? In the Sound control
panel, press Properties on your headset, see if it has an
Enhancements tab. There should be a checkbox in there called Disable
all enhancements. Check it.

On 3/3/2018 8:04 AM, Melissa Jean wrote:
I wanted a headset. I also in particular about how to wear this
headset--I prefer behind the head. I used my jaws trial and it did
not do the same things that my synthesizer for NVDA did. I have 30
days left still to either get used to it or choose a different set.
I might try and find the same model but using just a regular
plug-in. I think I might look into getting eloquence--I'm hoping the
other version that is not the ad on version works better. Thank you
for taking the time to give me some opinions.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 6:37 AM, Gene <gsasner@...
<mailto:gsasner@...>> wrote:

You might do better, and it would be simplir and perhaps cheaper,
to get a simple pair of headphones you plug into the output jack of
a sound card. Just regular headphones that you can use with any
standard output jack. Many times, settings, if they are available
to change bass and trebble are inaccessible in sound card software.
Just getting a cheap pair of headphones might be the best solution.
For convenience, you could get an extension cable with a volume
knob so you can leave the computer volume setting the same.

If you want headphones for serious music listening you could get
good standard headphones or good USB headphones but just for
screen-reader use, just a cheap pair, maybe ten or fifteen U.S.
dollars, might be fine. I haven't listened to really cheap
headphones so you might want to spend a little more. If there is a
store near you where you can buy headphones and it has a good
return policy, that would allow you to return them more conveniently than by shipping them back somewhere.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Melissa Jean <mailto:Melissa.J.Hammitt@...>
*Sent:* Saturday, March 03, 2018 5:35 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up
on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Yes, these are USB headphones. I have gone through the sound
setting to see if I can adjust them separately since they are
basically their own sound card, but I have not been able to find
something that would change the amount of base it is putting out.

Melissa

On Mar 3, 2018, at 12:59 AM, Gene <gsasner@...
<mailto:gsasner@...>> wrote:

Are you using USB speakers and a USB headphone as well?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Melissa Jean <mailto:Melissa.J.Hammitt@...>
*Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving
up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

I figured it out. It helped to use the JAWS trial I had to do it.
It picks up more than NVDA does.
However the voices are ... odd. I'm hearing another voice when I'm
typing and don't know what it is. It is a tad laggy when it comes
to my typing.
Oh, well... I will have to figure it out or get a newer headset,
lol.This new one has a lot of bass to it that I can't turn off. It
also clips off the first letter of most lines, words, and button
for some reason when I use the add that shall not be named which
is why I looked into this again.

Thanks for your help, appreciate it.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...
<mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:
Hey again.

Yes, now that you mention it, I remember that list box where you
have to
select being somewhat too silent with NVDA. I think I had better
luck with
JAWS 18, which I also have on this computer. I think I'll try
playing with
it again and see exactly what happens. This is something that
NVDA
users
should certainly be able to do without trouble.

I did not download that .exe file. It seemed like a better idea
to
just use
the Windows interface to do this. I think the source is
trustworthy
but I'm
not positive, and you'd have to give the program admin rights to
muck about
with your file permissions, so I dunno.

The good news is that Windows actually comes with a take
ownership
utility.
It's called takeown.exe and I didn't know about it until recently.
The bad
news (possibly) is that it's command line only, so you'll have to
get the
syntax right and everything. You'd have to run in command prompt,
administrator, or in powershell. I took a quick look at the usage
info with
"takeown /?" and, maybe because it's Friday evening and my brain
is
fried
trying to apply to jobs, but as of now I can't make head nor tail
of it. If
you're familiar with Windows command line applications though,
this
could be
a no-brainer for you. It's been a long time since I had to tinker
much with
such things.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa
Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving up
on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Thanks for that. I got most of it, but I guess I had been missing
something
when I was trying.
Have you tried using the take ownership exe they suggested? I
admit
that I
wanted to try that because I'm having trouble selecting things
while going
through the properties/security window.

On 3/2/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...
<mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:
Hey Melissa.

Rather than try to duplicate what I did before, I'm just going
to paste this URL for you. If you follow these instructions, I'm
99% sure you will be able to get it to work.

https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-take-ownership-and-get-full-acce
s
s-to-
files-and-folders-in-windows-10/

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Melissa Jean
Sent: March 2, 2018 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving
up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Sorry for being late to reply to this email. I got a new headset
and it doesn't seem to be playing well with the synth I am using
and wanted to use the microsoft voices.... I went to edit the
ini file and of course it did not work. I went into the
properties and I can't seem to find a way to give full access or
write permissions to at least administrator so that I can save the changes I made to the ini file.
Anyone have an idea as to how or what I should do to edit this please?

Thanks much
On 2/20/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...
<mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:
Hey.

I don't mind adjusting an ini file, so long as MS doesn't keep
mucking with it when there's an update. But yes, being able to
put it in one's user data location would certainly be nice. And
I do not know if this can be done at all. Anyone?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: February 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Adjusting Microsoft voices (was RE: [nvda] Giving
up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA)

Is there perhaps a user specific location to place this ini file?
Certainly in other OS there are both global and user specific
setings files.

Also sure would be nice if there was a settings panel for
adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn
gs panel for adjusting these rather than the ini file.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On 2/19/18, 4:17 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of JM Casey"
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of
crystallogic@... <mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:

Hi Melissa.

Yes, you can use notepad to edit the file. It's not enough
to run notepad as administrator, though, assuming you are using
Windows 10 at least. You will have to grant yourself permission
to change the file by taking ownership of it using the
attributes in the properties dialog. To be honest, I don't 100%
understand how ownership rites in Windows 10 function.
I got it to work, but it took quite a bit of experimenting,
which is the reason I was particularly annoyed by Microsoft
changing it back again.
Essentially, you want to grant yourself "full control" of this
particular file, which means you have permission to edit it.

Where exactly the file is depends on what you are
using....whether you are using an older SAPI voice or the newer
Core1 voices? Each voice has its own ini. The file I edited was
at this
path
location:
C:\Windows\Speech_OneCore\Engines\TTS\en-US
And as it's the David voice I've been using, the name is:
M1033David.INI


The lines you are looking ror are these two:
IntonationPhraseBoundary=
SentenceBoundary=

I do not remember what the original values were at the
moment, but I believe it's in milliseconds or something. I
altered the sentence boundary to 350 and that seems a lot
better to me, though you may prefer less of a pause. Play
around and see what you get and what you like.

If you get stuck with the file attributes thing, there are
resources on the internet that can help you. Someone else on
the list may understand this better than I do. It's one of
those things which I thought I was familiar with, but trying to
edit a Windows ini file showed me that in fact I'm still unclear on how this totally works.
Still, at least I got it to do what I wanted it to.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Melissa Jean
Sent: February 19, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

This licensing process is one reason I haven't made this
purchase.
I'd love to be able to have something easy to work and not to
worry about if it will stop working or not after I made some update.

I'd be interested in using David--the pauses are what turn
me off from doing so though. I thought I remembered hearing
updating the ini file before, but can't find the email though I saved it.

What is the file? Where is it found? Where is the line
found to edit this?Can one use notepad to edit the file?
Sorry for the barrage of questions.

Thank you
On 2/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...
<mailto:crystallogic@...>> wrote:
I use David and I'm ok with him. Only thing is, I at
least absolutely

have to adjust the ini file that dictates how long he
pauses between
sentences, or even comma clauses. A two second wait after
a period is

completely intolerable from a speech synthesiser. Still,
at least you can adjust it.
Only, Microsoft, when doing Windows updates, has altered
it
back
to
original setting at least three times now, and I've had
to change it
back.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: February 19, 2018 12:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

Hi, David,

Microsoft David's pretty good. I like the Mark voice too.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
James Robinson
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 9:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Cc: blindtech@groups.io <mailto:blindtech@groups.io>;
win10@groups.io <mailto:win10@groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Giving up on CodeFactory voices in NVDA

Hello!

You know, I have had it with this CodeFactory thing of
deactivating
constantly. I checked out one of the Microsoft voices
they
have
in
NVDA and this voice is not too bad; it is not as clear as
Eloquence or

the Vocalizer Expressive voices, but it is a little
better than the
standard NVDA voice in my opinion. I think CodeFactory
could make
this program permanent with NVDA as it is with other
screen readers.
They end up making the program far too much trouble to
use
in NVDA
than it is worth. I'll just eat the cost because I don't
expect them

to do anything about the crazy requirements for using the
voices.
I'll thkink twice before I purchase such software in the
future.

Can we use any other Microsoft voices that windows
offers? If so, how

do we do it?

James Robinson