thanks so much for informations in users guide!
i did not know.
in this case, where is the bug that nvda cant support screen review
well in libreoffice 5.3 and above?
is the bug in nvda or libreoffice?
On 2/25/18, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

Hi,

I know that doesn't help much with that issue.
though modifying some of those helps a little bit in speed.
at least i had the impression.
it also helps with the UI.

btw this is what i found in the NVDA manual about screen review and some
programs:
Note that in some newer applications, NVDA may not see some or all text
displayed on the screen due to the use of newer screen drawing
technologies which are impossible to support at this time.

I guess thats also garbled text or mixing things up.

according to wikipedia liberoffice is more popular but let's stop here.


i guess somewhere there is also written who has implemented the
iaccessible2 support for open/libreoffice.
i guess his name was steve yin but i am not sure.

Greetings,
Simon

Am 25.02.2018 um 19:16 schrieb zahra:

hi.
thanks so much for suggesting changing accessibility settings.
but i think that it affects documents, not dialogs!
openoffice is not dead and its more popular than libreoffice for
windows users who want free softwares.
its not bug of nvda, something changed in libreoffice 5.3 that caused
this issue!
because i did not have this problem with libreoffice 5.2!

On 2/25/18, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

Hi,

I wonder if its a bug of NVDA.
I also see that in some other apps as well.
namely some apps with a qt5 gui but also some native windows programs.
So i don't know if its really a issue of libreoffice or not.

Greetings,
Simon




Am 25.02.2018 um 05:52 schrieb zahra:

can someone please confirm the bug which i reported about the problem
of libreoffice?
of course commenting in that website needs subscription.

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108582

On 2/25/18, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hi.
is there any settings that change behaviour of displaying dialogs in
libreoffice to the 5.2 and previous?
do you know which change causes this problem?
i think that i should go to 4.3 again, because this version its the
most simplest version and the first one which works without need to
install java and java access briedge!
i reported the bug in bug report website for libreoffice, but anyone
did not help me to confirm it!
i think he was one of developers that told: we press insert 7 numpad
and want to navigate, but nvda just says the title of dialog, not its
content!

On 2/24/18, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

Hi,

Yes that problem is also on libreoffice 6.0.
though i have that problem with some of the programs i am using.
not just libreoffice.
also some native windows programs have that problem.
it also took me a while to get used to object navigation.
but if you get the hang out of it it works pretty well.
just continue to try and figure out how it works.
i found a nice tutorial somewhere where i was quickly able to learn
it
bout i guess i have lost the link.

i guess it was one of joseph's tutorials though.

Greetings,
Simon



Am 24.02.2018 um 18:12 schrieb zahra:

hello every one.
i asked this questions in different posts, but did not recieve
reply.
libreoffice since version 5.3, shows dialogs like one combine word
without space when i read them using screen review!
i did not learn object review and sometimes does not work me, so i
prefer to use screen review always.
i appreciate if users of libreoffice give me advice what should i do
to restore previous behaviour of libreofficefor showing dialogs and
messages.
i recorded one sample and i am ready to send if someone helps me in
this
regard.
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!

---
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--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Hi,

I know that doesn't help much with that issue.
though modifying some of those helps a little bit in speed.
at least i had the impression.
it also helps with the UI.

btw this is what i found in the NVDA manual about screen review and some
programs:
Note that in some newer applications, NVDA may not see some or all text
displayed on the screen due to the use of newer screen drawing
technologies which are impossible to support at this time.

I guess thats also garbled text or mixing things up.

according to wikipedia liberoffice is more popular but let's stop here.


i guess somewhere there is also written who has implemented the
iaccessible2 support for open/libreoffice.
i guess his name was steve yin but i am not sure.

Greetings,
Simon

Am 25.02.2018 um 19:16 schrieb zahra:

hi.
thanks so much for suggesting changing accessibility settings.
but i think that it affects documents, not dialogs!
openoffice is not dead and its more popular than libreoffice for
windows users who want free softwares.
its not bug of nvda, something changed in libreoffice 5.3 that caused
this issue!
because i did not have this problem with libreoffice 5.2!

On 2/25/18, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

Hi,

I wonder if its a bug of NVDA.
I also see that in some other apps as well.
namely some apps with a qt5 gui but also some native windows programs.
So i don't know if its really a issue of libreoffice or not.

Greetings,
Simon




Am 25.02.2018 um 05:52 schrieb zahra:

can someone please confirm the bug which i reported about the problem
of libreoffice?
of course commenting in that website needs subscription.

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108582

On 2/25/18, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hi.
is there any settings that change behaviour of displaying dialogs in
libreoffice to the 5.2 and previous?
do you know which change causes this problem?
i think that i should go to 4.3 again, because this version its the
most simplest version and the first one which works without need to
install java and java access briedge!
i reported the bug in bug report website for libreoffice, but anyone
did not help me to confirm it!
i think he was one of developers that told: we press insert 7 numpad
and want to navigate, but nvda just says the title of dialog, not its
content!

On 2/24/18, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

Hi,

Yes that problem is also on libreoffice 6.0.
though i have that problem with some of the programs i am using.
not just libreoffice.
also some native windows programs have that problem.
it also took me a while to get used to object navigation.
but if you get the hang out of it it works pretty well.
just continue to try and figure out how it works.
i found a nice tutorial somewhere where i was quickly able to learn
it
bout i guess i have lost the link.

i guess it was one of joseph's tutorials though.

Greetings,
Simon



Am 24.02.2018 um 18:12 schrieb zahra:

hello every one.
i asked this questions in different posts, but did not recieve
reply.
libreoffice since version 5.3, shows dialogs like one combine word
without space when i read them using screen review!
i did not learn object review and sometimes does not work me, so i
prefer to use screen review always.
i appreciate if users of libreoffice give me advice what should i do
to restore previous behaviour of libreofficefor showing dialogs and
messages.
i recorded one sample and i am ready to send if someone helps me in
this
regard.
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!

---
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--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

hi.
thanks so much for suggesting changing accessibility settings.
but i think that it affects documents, not dialogs!
openoffice is not dead and its more popular than libreoffice for
windows users who want free softwares.
its not bug of nvda, something changed in libreoffice 5.3 that caused
this issue!
because i did not have this problem with libreoffice 5.2!
On 2/25/18, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

Hi,

I wonder if its a bug of NVDA.
I also see that in some other apps as well.
namely some apps with a qt5 gui but also some native windows programs.
So i don't know if its really a issue of libreoffice or not.

Greetings,
Simon




Am 25.02.2018 um 05:52 schrieb zahra:

can someone please confirm the bug which i reported about the problem
of libreoffice?
of course commenting in that website needs subscription.

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108582

On 2/25/18, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hi.
is there any settings that change behaviour of displaying dialogs in
libreoffice to the 5.2 and previous?
do you know which change causes this problem?
i think that i should go to 4.3 again, because this version its the
most simplest version and the first one which works without need to
install java and java access briedge!
i reported the bug in bug report website for libreoffice, but anyone
did not help me to confirm it!
i think he was one of developers that told: we press insert 7 numpad
and want to navigate, but nvda just says the title of dialog, not its
content!

On 2/24/18, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

Hi,

Yes that problem is also on libreoffice 6.0.
though i have that problem with some of the programs i am using.
not just libreoffice.
also some native windows programs have that problem.
it also took me a while to get used to object navigation.
but if you get the hang out of it it works pretty well.
just continue to try and figure out how it works.
i found a nice tutorial somewhere where i was quickly able to learn it
bout i guess i have lost the link.

i guess it was one of joseph's tutorials though.

Greetings,
Simon



Am 24.02.2018 um 18:12 schrieb zahra:

hello every one.
i asked this questions in different posts, but did not recieve reply.
libreoffice since version 5.3, shows dialogs like one combine word
without space when i read them using screen review!
i did not learn object review and sometimes does not work me, so i
prefer to use screen review always.
i appreciate if users of libreoffice give me advice what should i do
to restore previous behaviour of libreofficefor showing dialogs and
messages.
i recorded one sample and i am ready to send if someone helps me in
this
regard.
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!

---
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--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Hi,

I wonder if its a bug of NVDA.
I also see that in some other apps as well.
namely some apps with a qt5 gui but also some native windows programs.
So i don't know if its really a issue of libreoffice or not.

Greetings,
Simon




Am 25.02.2018 um 05:52 schrieb zahra:

can someone please confirm the bug which i reported about the problem
of libreoffice?
of course commenting in that website needs subscription.

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108582

On 2/25/18, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hi.
is there any settings that change behaviour of displaying dialogs in
libreoffice to the 5.2 and previous?
do you know which change causes this problem?
i think that i should go to 4.3 again, because this version its the
most simplest version and the first one which works without need to
install java and java access briedge!
i reported the bug in bug report website for libreoffice, but anyone
did not help me to confirm it!
i think he was one of developers that told: we press insert 7 numpad
and want to navigate, but nvda just says the title of dialog, not its
content!

On 2/24/18, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

Hi,

Yes that problem is also on libreoffice 6.0.
though i have that problem with some of the programs i am using.
not just libreoffice.
also some native windows programs have that problem.
it also took me a while to get used to object navigation.
but if you get the hang out of it it works pretty well.
just continue to try and figure out how it works.
i found a nice tutorial somewhere where i was quickly able to learn it
bout i guess i have lost the link.

i guess it was one of joseph's tutorials though.

Greetings,
Simon



Am 24.02.2018 um 18:12 schrieb zahra:

hello every one.
i asked this questions in different posts, but did not recieve reply.
libreoffice since version 5.3, shows dialogs like one combine word
without space when i read them using screen review!
i did not learn object review and sometimes does not work me, so i
prefer to use screen review always.
i appreciate if users of libreoffice give me advice what should i do
to restore previous behaviour of libreofficefor showing dialogs and
messages.
i recorded one sample and i am ready to send if someone helps me in
this
regard.
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!

---
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--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

can someone please confirm the bug which i reported about the problem
of libreoffice?
of course commenting in that website needs subscription.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108582
On 2/25/18, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hi.
is there any settings that change behaviour of displaying dialogs in
libreoffice to the 5.2 and previous?
do you know which change causes this problem?
i think that i should go to 4.3 again, because this version its the
most simplest version and the first one which works without need to
install java and java access briedge!
i reported the bug in bug report website for libreoffice, but anyone
did not help me to confirm it!
i think he was one of developers that told: we press insert 7 numpad
and want to navigate, but nvda just says the title of dialog, not its
content!

On 2/24/18, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

Hi,

Yes that problem is also on libreoffice 6.0.
though i have that problem with some of the programs i am using.
not just libreoffice.
also some native windows programs have that problem.
it also took me a while to get used to object navigation.
but if you get the hang out of it it works pretty well.
just continue to try and figure out how it works.
i found a nice tutorial somewhere where i was quickly able to learn it
bout i guess i have lost the link.

i guess it was one of joseph's tutorials though.

Greetings,
Simon



Am 24.02.2018 um 18:12 schrieb zahra:

hello every one.
i asked this questions in different posts, but did not recieve reply.
libreoffice since version 5.3, shows dialogs like one combine word
without space when i read them using screen review!
i did not learn object review and sometimes does not work me, so i
prefer to use screen review always.
i appreciate if users of libreoffice give me advice what should i do
to restore previous behaviour of libreofficefor showing dialogs and
messages.
i recorded one sample and i am ready to send if someone helps me in this
regard.
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!

---
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--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

hi.
is there any settings that change behaviour of displaying dialogs in
libreoffice to the 5.2 and previous?
do you know which change causes this problem?
i think that i should go to 4.3 again, because this version its the
most simplest version and the first one which works without need to
install java and java access briedge!
i reported the bug in bug report website for libreoffice, but anyone
did not help me to confirm it!
i think he was one of developers that told: we press insert 7 numpad
and want to navigate, but nvda just says the title of dialog, not its
content!
On 2/24/18, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

Hi,

Yes that problem is also on libreoffice 6.0.
though i have that problem with some of the programs i am using.
not just libreoffice.
also some native windows programs have that problem.
it also took me a while to get used to object navigation.
but if you get the hang out of it it works pretty well.
just continue to try and figure out how it works.
i found a nice tutorial somewhere where i was quickly able to learn it
bout i guess i have lost the link.

i guess it was one of joseph's tutorials though.

Greetings,
Simon



Am 24.02.2018 um 18:12 schrieb zahra:

hello every one.
i asked this questions in different posts, but did not recieve reply.
libreoffice since version 5.3, shows dialogs like one combine word
without space when i read them using screen review!
i did not learn object review and sometimes does not work me, so i
prefer to use screen review always.
i appreciate if users of libreoffice give me advice what should i do
to restore previous behaviour of libreofficefor showing dialogs and
messages.
i recorded one sample and i am ready to send if someone helps me in this
regard.
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!

---
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Hello:

LibreOffice is not very accessible with screen readers.

Apache OpenOffice works OK with NVDA. It may not be perfect. But! At least in my experience it's better than LibreOffice!

Appearantly none of the open source office suites are very interested in accessibility for the blind! They will not even make an attempt to have a dialog with screen reader developers to see how the can improve their software so that the blind can have better access to the software!

At least for selfish reasons Microsoft has worked with screen reader developers to make MS Office accessible for screen reader users.

More/many blind screen reader users really need to demand from open source office suites developers to provide great accessibility for the blind!

I'm so very sorry! That i've not been of much help to you! but, I've had a very bad experience with LibreOffice in particular, and, with open source/freeware office suites as a whole!

I really do hope that everyone who reads this will take the time to send very nice/polite emails to LibreOffice telling them that blind people really want to use their software and if they make it accessible. Blind people are very loyal to those who develop blind friendly software!!!



On 2/24/2018 9:12 AM, zahra wrote:

hello every one.
i asked this questions in different posts, but did not recieve reply.
libreoffice since version 5.3, shows dialogs like one combine word
without space when i read them using screen review!
i did not learn object review and sometimes does not work me, so i
prefer to use screen review always.
i appreciate if users of libreoffice give me advice what should i do
to restore previous behaviour of libreofficefor showing dialogs and
messages.
i recorded one sample and i am ready to send if someone helps me in this regard.
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!

--
Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@...

hi.
is there any settings that change behaviour of displaying dialogs in
libreoffice to the 5.2 and previous?
do you know which change causes this problem?
i think that i should go to 4.3 again, because this version its the
most simplest version and the first one which works without need to
install java and java access briedge!
i reported the bug in bug report website for libreoffice, but anyone
did not help me to confirm it!
i think he was one of developers that told: we press insert 7 numpad
and want to navigate, but nvda just says the title of dialog, not its
content!

On 2/24/18, Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

Hi,

Yes that problem is also on libreoffice 6.0.
though i have that problem with some of the programs i am using.
not just libreoffice.
also some native windows programs have that problem.
it also took me a while to get used to object navigation.
but if you get the hang out of it it works pretty well.
just continue to try and figure out how it works.
i found a nice tutorial somewhere where i was quickly able to learn it
bout i guess i have lost the link.

i guess it was one of joseph's tutorials though.

Greetings,
Simon



Am 24.02.2018 um 18:12 schrieb zahra:

hello every one.
i asked this questions in different posts, but did not recieve reply.
libreoffice since version 5.3, shows dialogs like one combine word
without space when i read them using screen review!
i did not learn object review and sometimes does not work me, so i
prefer to use screen review always.
i appreciate if users of libreoffice give me advice what should i do
to restore previous behaviour of libreofficefor showing dialogs and
messages.
i recorded one sample and i am ready to send if someone helps me in this
regard.
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!

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--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Hi,

Yes that problem is also on libreoffice 6.0.
though i have that problem with some of the programs i am using.
not just libreoffice.
also some native windows programs have that problem.
it also took me a while to get used to object navigation.
but if you get the hang out of it it works pretty well.
just continue to try and figure out how it works.
i found a nice tutorial somewhere where i was quickly able to learn it
bout i guess i have lost the link.

i guess it was one of joseph's tutorials though.

Greetings,
Simon



Am 24.02.2018 um 18:12 schrieb zahra:

hello every one.
i asked this questions in different posts, but did not recieve reply.
libreoffice since version 5.3, shows dialogs like one combine word
without space when i read them using screen review!
i did not learn object review and sometimes does not work me, so i
prefer to use screen review always.
i appreciate if users of libreoffice give me advice what should i do
to restore previous behaviour of libreofficefor showing dialogs and
messages.
i recorded one sample and i am ready to send if someone helps me in this
regard.
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!

---
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Hello:

    LibreOffice is not very accessible with screen readers.

    Apache OpenOffice works OK with NVDA.  It may not be perfect.  But!
At least in my experience it's better than LibreOffice!

    Appearantly none of the open source office suites are very
interested in accessibility for the blind!  They will not even make an
attempt to have a dialog with screen reader developers to see how the
can improve their software so that the blind can have better access to
the software!

    At least for selfish reasons Microsoft has worked with screen
reader developers to make MS Office accessible for screen reader users.

    More/many blind screen reader users really need to demand from open
source office suites developers to provide great accessibility for the
blind!

    I'm so very sorry! That i've not been of much help to you! but,
I've had a very bad experience with LibreOffice in particular, and, with
open source/freeware office suites as a whole!

    I really do hope that everyone who reads this will take the time to
send very nice/polite emails to LibreOffice telling them that blind
people really want to use their software and if they make it
accessible.  Blind people are very loyal to those who develop blind
friendly software!!!



On 2/24/2018 9:12 AM, zahra wrote:

hello every one.
i asked this questions in different posts, but did not recieve reply.
libreoffice since version 5.3, shows dialogs like one combine word
without space when i read them using screen review!
i did not learn object review and sometimes does not work me, so i
prefer to use screen review always.
i appreciate if users of libreoffice give me advice what should i do
to restore previous behaviour of libreofficefor showing dialogs and
messages.
i recorded one sample and i am ready to send if someone helps me in this
regard.
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!

--
Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@...

hello every one.
i asked this questions in different posts, but did not recieve reply.
libreoffice since version 5.3, shows dialogs like one combine word
without space when i read them using screen review!
i did not learn object review and sometimes does not work me, so i
prefer to use screen review always.
i appreciate if users of libreoffice give me advice what should i do
to restore previous behaviour of libreofficefor showing dialogs and
messages.
i recorded one sample and i am ready to send if someone helps me in this regard.
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!