Cannot read PDF documents with NVDA
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afrim maja <afrim.maja@...>
Hello everyone,
I have seriously started using NVDA, and this time is more serious than other times, because I have upgraded to windows 10, and it works very well, and I do mean very very well. One of my biggest issues I'm currently facing is reading pdf documents with NVDA. On the adobe reader, or adobe acrobat reader, NVDA reads absolutely nothing. I have to work everyday with those types of documents because my university professors provide me with lectures or books in pdf format, but I cannot access them. So, could somebody help me with this problem because it is very important to me. Every answer is appreciated. sincerely, Afrim Sent from my iPhone
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Well firstly we need to know if the files are proper text and not as some instruction manuals seem to be, some form of image of pages of a printed source.
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Obviously in that case somebody needs to fix the format. Normally you can test this by exporting the text and seeing if there is any. assuming there is then several things come to mind. I do not know about Windows 10, but sometimes one has to look in the config area of adobe reader and turn off any protection items or security etc, to be able to read them. Obviously also we have got to be sure that if these are complex documents with changes in columns and graphics etc, that the get tagged when created. This is a process few seem to do and even less understand. I know I don't understand how its done, but if its not done and reading order changes in a document, then it tends to go into gobbledegook. I really would advise if you can to suggest the texts are sent to you in a known doc format so that they can be manipulated easier. I had a very odd problem the other day while working on the UK elections pdf, where the first page was fine, but all subsequent pages were just jumbled up, as if the tagging had failed after the first page. I know Nvaccess has put a lot of effort into getting pdf files to work well but sadly those making such files need to play their part or its a total waste of time. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Afrim" <afrim.maja@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2016 8:10 AM Subject: [nvda] Cannot read PDF documents with NVDA Hello everyone, I have seriously started using NVDA, and this time is more serious than other times, because I have upgraded to windows 10, and it works very well, and I do mean very very well. One of my biggest issues I'm currently facing is reading pdf documents with NVDA. On the adobe reader, or adobe acrobat reader, NVDA reads absolutely nothing. I have to work everyday with those types of documents because my university professors provide me with lectures or books in pdf format, but I cannot access them. So, could somebody help me with this problem because it is very important to me. Every answer is appreciated. sincerely, Afrim Sent from my iPhone
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Chris Mullins
I am using Windows 7 with Acrobat Reader DC and NVDA 2016.01 works perfectly
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well. Have you configured the Accessibility features of Acrobat for screen readers? Can you not access the acrobat menus? Is the document you are trying to read an image or is it text? Cheers Chris
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Afrim Sent: 07 May 2016 08:10 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Cannot read PDF documents with NVDA Hello everyone, I have seriously started using NVDA, and this time is more serious than other times, because I have upgraded to windows 10, and it works very well, and I do mean very very well. One of my biggest issues I'm currently facing is reading pdf documents with NVDA. On the adobe reader, or adobe acrobat reader, NVDA reads absolutely nothing. I have to work everyday with those types of documents because my university professors provide me with lectures or books in pdf format, but I cannot access them. So, could somebody help me with this problem because it is very important to me. Every answer is appreciated. sincerely, Afrim Sent from my iPhone
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Aravind R
acrobat reader DC in my windows7 did not read even text pdf files and
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it showed blank. so i was forced to downgrade
On 5/7/16, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:
I am using Windows 7 with Acrobat Reader DC and NVDA 2016.01 works --
nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so. r. aravind, Assistant manager Department of sales bank of baroda retail loan factory, Chennai. mobile no: +91 9940369593, 9710945613. email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@....
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Bhavya shah
Hi Afrim,
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If possible, and if it does not infringe on confidentiality or copyright (do ensure that), then, it would be really helpful if you could share a sample file as one of those PDFs you receive from your professors. Practical examination and analysis of those PDF files by members may result in more accurate suggestions. Thanks.
On 5/7/16, Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@...> wrote:
acrobat reader DC in my windows7 did not read even text pdf files and --
Warm Regards Bhavya Shah Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me through the following means: Mobile: +91 7506221750 E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@... Skype id : bhavya.09
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Kevin Cussick
it is not free but qRead is very good accessible apps make it and maybe the best pdf reader to date.
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On 07/05/2016 08:10, Afrim wrote:
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afrim maja <afrim.maja@...>
Yes, I know about it
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On May 7, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.io <the.big.white.shepherd@...> wrote:
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afrim.maja@...
Hello,
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This is the book I'm trying to read. The text is accessible with jaws, and when selecting "infer reading order", then it is possible to access and read it with NVDA. I can read the menus of acrobat reader, but not the text. This text, in particular, is not an image PDF file and it does not need OCR or any kind of conversion.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2016 3:15 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot read PDF documents with NVDA Hi Afrim, If possible, and if it does not infringe on confidentiality or copyright (do ensure that), then, it would be really helpful if you could share a sample file as one of those PDFs you receive from your professors. Practical examination and analysis of those PDF files by members may result in more accurate suggestions. Thanks. On 5/7/16, Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@...> wrote: acrobat reader DC in my windows7 did not read even text pdf files and -- Warm Regards Bhavya Shah Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me through the following means: Mobile: +91 7506221750 E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@... Skype id : bhavya.09
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Andre Fisher
This is a strange issue. This only happens for me when I cancel the
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dialog that loads the text accessibly.
On 5/7/16, Afrim <afrim.maja@...> wrote:
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Afrim,      Unfortunately, this forum does not support attachments, and I'm presuming that you attached the file you're trying to read to an e-mail message you posted to the group.  If you can upload the thing to any form of cloud storage that allows those supplied with the link to download the file that would be a good workaround.      I'm also pasting some advice I got from Freedom Scientific Technical Support a couple of months ago related to PDF files.  Although I know you're not using JAWS a lot of what's mentioned is more generally applicable. ----------------------------------- This is an Adobe Reader setting that is causing this to take place. If you walk through the instructions below, you can change this setting: A. Using the Accessibility Set Up Assistant When you launch a PDF the first time, the accessibility set up assistant opens. If the accessibility wizard has already run, do the following to open it: 1. Press ALT+E to open the Edit menu. 2. Press Y to select Accessibility submenu. 3. Press ENTER on Set Up Assistant. The first page of this five page dialog box opens. The default choice is fine, press ENTER to move to the next page. 4. On the second page you can change things if you wish, but by default it is OK. Press ENTER to move to page three. 5. On the third page you can change things if you wish, but by default it is OK. Press ENTER to move to page four. 6. On the fourth page, if you want to use the list of links, list of headings, and the JAWS find command so on to access long documents, change the radio button from "For large documents, only read the currently visible pages" to "Read the entire document at once." If you do not make this change, in long documents JAWS only sees the links and headings on the current page. Additionally, JAWS can only search the current page with the JAWS find command. If you do select read the entire document at once, it may take a few seconds longer to process large documents, but it is worth it to be able to see the links and headings in the entire document, or to search the entire document with the JAWS find. 7. Press ENTER to move to page five of the Set Up Assistant. 8. If the check box for Reopen documents to the last viewed page is checked, you may want to uncheck this. It is a personal preference. TAB through until you reach the check box for "Display PDF documents in the web browser," and uncheck it. 9. Press ENTER to activate the Done button.  B. Additional changes in Adobe Reader XI preferences. 1. Press CTRL+K to open the Adobe Reader XI preferences. 2. In the Categories list on the left side of the dialog box, choose Accessibility. 3. Press TAB to move to the item, Show Portfolios in Files mode (not checked by default) - check this. 4. Press TAB to move back to the Categories list and choose Security (Enhanced). 5. Press TAB to move to Enable Protected Mode at startup (checked by default) - uncheck this. 6. Press TAB to move to the OK button, and activate it with the SPACEBAR.  NOTE: The option to view PDF documents in the browser is no longer found in the Preferences. You must use the Set Up Assistant to find this ----------------------------------- Never underestimate the difficulty of changing false beliefs by facts.   ~ Henry Rosovsky   Â
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afrim.maja@...
Surely, this is the link to the PDF document. https://www.dropbox.com/s/iqg890ica3472qs/eng-syn-kim-sells.pdf?dl=0  The good news is that acrobat reader hopefully managed to detect that a screen reader was running on my computer, and that the document ought to be prepared to be accessible to the screen reader. Now I could read it without any issues, hopefully! Another question that follows: can I treat the document as if it was a word document in terms of reading. What I mean is, can I read the document continuously without having to browse the pages manually? I think I did this before on acrobat settings, but I’m not sure how to do it now. Thank you for your advices.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel  Afrim,      Unfortunately, this forum does not support attachments, and I'm presuming that you attached the file you're trying to read to an e-mail message you posted to the group.  If you can upload the thing to any form of cloud storage that allows those supplied with the link to download the file that would be a good workaround.      I'm also pasting some advice I got from Freedom Scientific Technical Support a couple of months ago related to PDF files.  Although I know you're not using JAWS a lot of what's mentioned is more generally applicable. ----------------------------------- This is an Adobe Reader setting that is causing this to take place. If you walk through the instructions below, you can change this setting: A. Using the Accessibility Set Up Assistant When you launch a PDF the first time, the accessibility set up assistant opens. If the accessibility wizard has already run, do the following to open it: 1. Press ALT+E to open the Edit menu. 2. Press Y to select Accessibility submenu. 3. Press ENTER on Set Up Assistant. The first page of this five page dialog box opens. The default choice is fine, press ENTER to move to the next page. 4. On the second page you can change things if you wish, but by default it is OK. Press ENTER to move to page three. 5. On the third page you can change things if you wish, but by default it is OK. Press ENTER to move to page four. 6. On the fourth page, if you want to use the list of links, list of headings, and the JAWS find command so on to access long documents, change the radio button from "For large documents, only read the currently visible pages" to "Read the entire document at once." If you do not make this change, in long documents JAWS only sees the links and headings on the current page. Additionally, JAWS can only search the current page with the JAWS find command. If you do select read the entire document at once, it may take a few seconds longer to process large documents, but it is worth it to be able to see the links and headings in the entire document, or to search the entire document with the JAWS find. 7. Press ENTER to move to page five of the Set Up Assistant. 8. If the check box for Reopen documents to the last viewed page is checked, you may want to uncheck this. It is a personal preference. TAB through until you reach the check box for "Display PDF documents in the web browser," and uncheck it. 9. Press ENTER to activate the Done button.  B. Additional changes in Adobe Reader XI preferences. 1. Press CTRL+K to open the Adobe Reader XI preferences. 2. In the Categories list on the left side of the dialog box, choose Accessibility. 3. Press TAB to move to the item, Show Portfolios in Files mode (not checked by default) - check this. 4. Press TAB to move back to the Categories list and choose Security (Enhanced). 5. Press TAB to move to Enable Protected Mode at startup (checked by default) - uncheck this. 6. Press TAB to move to the OK button, and activate it with the SPACEBAR.  NOTE: The option to view PDF documents in the browser is no longer found in the Preferences. You must use the Set Up Assistant to find this ----------------------------------- Never underestimate the difficulty of changing false beliefs by facts.   ~ Henry Rosovsky    Â
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Rui Fontes
I use Acrobate Reader DC with Windows 7 and 10, without any problem...
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Rui -----Mensagem Original----- De: Aravind R Data: sábado, 7 de maio de 2016 11:12 Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io Assunto: Re: [nvda] Cannot read PDF documents with NVDA acrobat reader DC in my windows7 did not read even text pdf files and it showed blank. so i was forced to downgrade
On 5/7/16, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:
I am using Windows 7 with Acrobat Reader DC and NVDA 2016.01 works --
nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so. r. aravind, Assistant manager Department of sales bank of baroda retail loan factory, Chennai. mobile no: +91 9940369593, 9710945613. email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@....
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Afrim,      I followed the instructions I posted before that had come from Freedom Scientific Technical Support, but with Adobe DC, and it does cause NVDA to read through the document without having to scroll from page to page.  There was no OK button at the last step of the things you have to do in Reader DC itself beyond the Accessibility Wizard, you just close the dialog after dealing with the Security (Advanced) setting related to protected mode. The first time I fired up Adobe Acrobat DC with NVDA active it gave me a dialog where I also confirmed that I wanted it to read all pages and infer reading order from document, and to use the accessibility options I'd set in Reader DC itself, then checked the box that said not to show that dialog again.      It takes quite a while to pre-process the text you're using because it's 305 pages long, but it does get there, and NVDA reads the whole document from wherever you start the reading. Never underestimate the difficulty of changing false beliefs by facts.   ~ Henry Rosovsky   Â
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Carlos
Hello:    I have Windows 8.1 and NVDA 2016.1.    I was able to open the PDF file with Adobe reader 11, QRead 3.5, and MS Word 2016/365. And, as an added bonus I converted it to MS Word file in MS Word. And to plain text in Adobe reader.    So, I guess it is a computer specific issue!
On 5/7/2016 6:58 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
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Bhavya shah
Afrim,
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As a personal advice, in case that is a possible alternative, I never like PDF files much anyways, with both NVDA and JAWS. Thus, I am converting all my school textbook PDF files into Word, using what is called the Oxillion Document Converter, which you will readily find via a quick google search. Do try and persist to be able to access the material in its original format itself, that is PDF, if you wish to, but as the last resort, bear in mind that a Word conversion trick would probably suffice. Thanks.
On 5/8/16, Carlos <gmjc341961@...> wrote:
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Warm Regards Bhavya Shah Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me through the following means: Mobile: +91 7506221750 E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@... Skype id : bhavya.09
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afrim maja <afrim.maja@...>
Ok Brian, I'll do what you said right away. Thank you Sent from my iPhone
On May 8, 2016, at 3:58 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
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afrim maja <afrim.maja@...>
It is hopefully solved now Sent from my iPhone
On May 8, 2016, at 5:32 AM, Carlos <gmjc341961@...> wrote:
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afrim maja <afrim.maja@...>
I always convert my pdf books to microsoft word using aby fine reader which I also use to scan documents. I'll try that program out by the way.
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On May 8, 2016, at 6:36 AM, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
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Hi I thought the latest version of fine reader had a text screen which did not work with nvda any more?
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Has this been fixed? Its reasonably priced, though its used in Dolphin's Cicero, and when it encounters the lower case l in printing it can be seen as i or 1 or l. I am a bit fed up with Della being Delia and New malden being New Maiden. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Afrim" <afrim.maja@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2016 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot read PDF documents with NVDA I always convert my pdf books to microsoft word using aby fine reader which I also use to scan documents. I'll try that program out by the way. Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2016, at 6:36 AM, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
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Often most conversion systems rely on a good reading order choice or tagging in the pdf. Unfortunately most of the files I've encountered seem to have neither of these set as default and end up having columns run together and words with letters and spaces alternating and some formatting stuff embedded in the text.
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If this conversion system has got around this by some kind of inteligence, then do say. On a similar issue, how would one deal with doc files sent which seem to be embedded graphic dumps of scanned in paper documents. the nvda OCR add on fails to give me anything sensible and I did wonder if it was possible to extract the files and make them into tiff files so I could run different ocr packages over the result using nvda. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2016 5:36 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot read PDF documents with NVDA Afrim,
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