HELP! Windows can't update


ely.r@...
 

Afternoon All,

Let’s start with the fact that forever, I was a WindowEyes worshiper. Second, this is not specifically an NVDA issue. The move to Windows ten went without a hitch. However, new updates have failed. The problem stated by the updater, was that I had incompatible software that the updater could not remove, and that I had to do this manually. The program listed was WindowEyes. When I moved to that other screen reader, I did a standard removed of WE and it no longer is listed as an installed program. Went and did a computer wide search of as many iterations of WindowEyes and GW Micro that I could think up. I did find some lingering fragments of WE and removed them as well. Here I am and the Windows updater has the same issue.

The only place I can think of that has WE fragments left is the registry. Even my nephew who worked as a school tech support person won’t edit that. So much of what info there is about registry cleaners does not make me smile. I have used Wise Registry Cleaner once and with success. I used it as it appeared to be the most trusted by folks writing reviews on line. However it is generally inaccessible with two screen readers. I feel that I was just lucky the time I used it. Here on the list, members have talked about C Cleaner, but again the online comments about it and any registry cleaner are mixed at best.

There be my problem! Is there anybody out there with a solution that is nonthreatening to my registry? ?.

Thanks for any ideas and I hope the luck of the Irish will bring me a pot of golden assistance,

Rick

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038


Sarah k Alawami
 

This is a known issue, but I'm not actully sure how to solve it. I know it was discussed on this list a few weeks or even days ago. I can't rememver now. I hope you get your problem  solved.

On Mar 17, 2018, at 10:10 AM, ely.r@... wrote:

Afternoon All,

Let’s start with the fact that forever, I was a WindowEyes worshiper. Second, this is not specifically an NVDA issue. The move to Windows ten went without a hitch. However, new updates have failed. The problem stated by the updater, was that I had incompatible software that the updater could not remove, and that I had to do this manually. The program listed was WindowEyes. When I moved to that other screen reader, I did a standard removed of WE and it no longer is listed as an installed program. Went and did a computer wide search of as many iterations of WindowEyes and GW Micro that I could think up. I did find some lingering fragments of WE and removed them as well. Here I am and the Windows updater has the same issue.

The only place I can think of that has WE fragments left is the registry. Even my nephew who worked as a school tech support person won’t edit that. So much of what info there is about registry cleaners does not make me smile. I have used Wise Registry Cleaner once and with success. I used it as it appeared to be the most trusted by folks writing reviews on line. However it is generally inaccessible with two screen readers. I feel that I was just lucky the time I used it. Here on the list, members have talked about C Cleaner, but again the online comments about it and any registry cleaner are mixed at best.

There be my problem! Is there anybody out there with a solution that is nonthreatening to my registry? ?.

Thanks for any ideas and I hope the luck of the Irish will bring me a pot of golden assistance,

Rick

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038




David Griffith
 

I saw this problem  on another list and it turned out that bizarrely even if you have completely removed Window Eyes from your system doing a uninstall etc you can still have problems if there is any trace of a Window Eyes  setup file present on the drive. I have my old Window Eyes files on another secondary drive so I have not personally come across this problem.

This problem persisted even though the lister explained that  his old Window Eyes setup files had been compressed into an archive, I cannot remember if it was a zip or rar file.

So Window Eyes was not  installed and the old setup files were having no impact on his system at all, but he could not proceed with his Windows 10 upgrade until he had removed these old compressed setup files from the drive.

I imagine the same problem exists if you have any setup files for Window Eyes anywhere.

Once he had removed them though he was able to proceed.

Pretty odd but that is what he reported.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: ely.r@...
Sent: 17 March 2018 17:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] HELP! Windows can't update

 

Afternoon All,

Let’s start with the fact that forever, I was a WindowEyes worshiper. Second, this is not specifically an NVDA issue. The move to Windows ten went without a hitch. However, new updates have failed. The problem stated by the updater, was that I had incompatible software that the updater could not remove, and that I had to do this manually. The program listed was WindowEyes. When I moved to that other screen reader, I did a standard removed of WE and it no longer is listed as an installed program. Went and did a computer wide search of as many iterations of WindowEyes and GW Micro that I could think up. I did find some lingering fragments of WE and removed them as well. Here I am and the Windows updater has the same issue.

The only place I can think of that has WE fragments left is the registry. Even my nephew who worked as a school tech support person won’t edit that. So much of what info there is about registry cleaners does not make me smile. I have used Wise Registry Cleaner once and with success. I used it as it appeared to be the most trusted by folks writing reviews on line. However it is generally inaccessible with two screen readers. I feel that I was just lucky the time I used it. Here on the list, members have talked about C Cleaner, but again the online comments about it and any registry cleaner are mixed at best.

There be my problem! Is there anybody out there with a solution that is nonthreatening to my registry? ?.

Thanks for any ideas and I hope the luck of the Irish will bring me a pot of golden assistance,

Rick

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 


ely.r@...
 

David,

Thousand thanks! Yes indeed, there were WE setup files in my download folder. There was also one for Fusion when it was using WineowEyes  as its screen reader. Not sure how I messed the post you mentioned, but grateful to have your help.

Rick

 

 

 

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 1:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] HELP! Windows can't update

 

I saw this problem  on another list and it turned out that bizarrely even if you have completely removed Window Eyes from your system doing a uninstall etc you can still have problems if there is any trace of a Window Eyes  setup file present on the drive. I have my old Window Eyes files on another secondary drive so I have not personally come across this problem.

This problem persisted even though the lister explained that  his old Window Eyes setup files had been compressed into an archive, I cannot remember if it was a zip or rar file.

So Window Eyes was not  installed and the old setup files were having no impact on his system at all, but he could not proceed with his Windows 10 upgrade until he had removed these old compressed setup files from the drive.

I imagine the same problem exists if you have any setup files for Window Eyes anywhere.

Once he had removed them though he was able to proceed.

Pretty odd but that is what he reported.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: ely.r@...
Sent: 17 March 2018 17:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] HELP! Windows can't update

 

Afternoon All,

Let’s start with the fact that forever, I was a WindowEyes worshiper. Second, this is not specifically an NVDA issue. The move to Windows ten went without a hitch. However, new updates have failed. The problem stated by the updater, was that I had incompatible software that the updater could not remove, and that I had to do this manually. The program listed was WindowEyes. When I moved to that other screen reader, I did a standard removed of WE and it no longer is listed as an installed program. Went and did a computer wide search of as many iterations of WindowEyes and GW Micro that I could think up. I did find some lingering fragments of WE and removed them as well. Here I am and the Windows updater has the same issue.

The only place I can think of that has WE fragments left is the registry. Even my nephew who worked as a school tech support person won’t edit that. So much of what info there is about registry cleaners does not make me smile. I have used Wise Registry Cleaner once and with success. I used it as it appeared to be the most trusted by folks writing reviews on line. However it is generally inaccessible with two screen readers. I feel that I was just lucky the time I used it. Here on the list, members have talked about C Cleaner, but again the online comments about it and any registry cleaner are mixed at best.

There be my problem! Is there anybody out there with a solution that is nonthreatening to my registry? ?.

Thanks for any ideas and I hope the luck of the Irish will bring me a pot of golden assistance,

Rick

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 


John Covici
 

I think that is correct. I have a .zip file of my WE cd, but its on
another drive, so make sure you don't have even a .zip file containing
WindowEyes on your main drive. Now I have WindowEyes actually
installed and Windows does update successfully, I was able to get
2018.02 update.

On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 13:25:53 -0400,
David Griffith wrote:

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I saw this problem on another list and it turned out that bizarrely even if you have completely removed Window Eyes from your system doing a uninstall etc you can still have problems if there is any trace of a Window Eyes setup file
present on the drive. I have my old Window Eyes files on another secondary drive so I have not personally come across this problem.

This problem persisted even though the lister explained that his old Window Eyes setup files had been compressed into an archive, I cannot remember if it was a zip or rar file.

So Window Eyes was not installed and the old setup files were having no impact on his system at all, but he could not proceed with his Windows 10 upgrade until he had removed these old compressed setup files from the drive.

I imagine the same problem exists if you have any setup files for Window Eyes anywhere.

Once he had removed them though he was able to proceed.

Pretty odd but that is what he reported.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

From: ely.r@comcast.net
Sent: 17 March 2018 17:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] HELP! Windows can't update

Afternoon All,

Let’s start with the fact that forever, I was a WindowEyes worshiper. Second, this is not specifically an NVDA issue. The move to Windows ten went without a hitch. However, new updates have failed. The problem stated by the updater, was
that I had incompatible software that the updater could not remove, and that I had to do this manually. The program listed was WindowEyes. When I moved to that other screen reader, I did a standard removed of WE and it no longer is
listed as an installed program. Went and did a computer wide search of as many iterations of WindowEyes and GW Micro that I could think up. I did find some lingering fragments of WE and removed them as well. Here I am and the Windows
updater has the same issue.

The only place I can think of that has WE fragments left is the registry. Even my nephew who worked as a school tech support person won’t edit that. So much of what info there is about registry cleaners does not make me smile. I have
used Wise Registry Cleaner once and with success. I used it as it appeared to be the most trusted by folks writing reviews on line. However it is generally inaccessible with two screen readers. I feel that I was just lucky the time I
used it. Here on the list, members have talked about C Cleaner, but again the online comments about it and any registry cleaner are mixed at best.

There be my problem! Is there anybody out there with a solution that is nonthreatening to my registry? ?.

Thanks for any ideas and I hope the luck of the Irish will bring me a pot of golden assistance,

Rick

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413() 727-3038

--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I am not a window eyes user but came across the following on there website at https://www.gwmicro.com/Support/Downloads/?fileNo=1114

It says it is for the following Window-Eyes Emergency Removal Utility



This other link even though it is a manual one says to use the above tool and it looks like it gives you directions to do it at http://www.gwmicro.com/Support/Knowledge_Base/?kbnumber=GWKB1060
Hope the above helps.

Gene nz

On 3/18/2018 6:25 AM, David Griffith wrote:

I saw this problem  on another list and it turned out that bizarrely even if you have completely removed Window Eyes from your system doing a uninstall etc you can still have problems if there is any trace of a Window Eyes  setup file present on the drive. I have my old Window Eyes files on another secondary drive so I have not personally come across this problem.

This problem persisted even though the lister explained that  his old Window Eyes setup files had been compressed into an archive, I cannot remember if it was a zip or rar file.

So Window Eyes was not  installed and the old setup files were having no impact on his system at all, but he could not proceed with his Windows 10 upgrade until he had removed these old compressed setup files from the drive.

I imagine the same problem exists if you have any setup files for Window Eyes anywhere.

Once he had removed them though he was able to proceed.

Pretty odd but that is what he reported.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: ely.r@...
Sent: 17 March 2018 17:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] HELP! Windows can't update

 

Afternoon All,

Let’s start with the fact that forever, I was a WindowEyes worshiper. Second, this is not specifically an NVDA issue. The move to Windows ten went without a hitch. However, new updates have failed. The problem stated by the updater, was that I had incompatible software that the updater could not remove, and that I had to do this manually. The program listed was WindowEyes. When I moved to that other screen reader, I did a standard removed of WE and it no longer is listed as an installed program. Went and did a computer wide search of as many iterations of WindowEyes and GW Micro that I could think up. I did find some lingering fragments of WE and removed them as well. Here I am and the Windows updater has the same issue.

The only place I can think of that has WE fragments left is the registry. Even my nephew who worked as a school tech support person won’t edit that. So much of what info there is about registry cleaners does not make me smile. I have used Wise Registry Cleaner once and with success. I used it as it appeared to be the most trusted by folks writing reviews on line. However it is generally inaccessible with two screen readers. I feel that I was just lucky the time I used it. Here on the list, members have talked about C Cleaner, but again the online comments about it and any registry cleaner are mixed at best.

There be my problem! Is there anybody out there with a solution that is nonthreatening to my registry? ?.

Thanks for any ideas and I hope the luck of the Irish will bring me a pot of golden assistance,

Rick

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


ely.r@...
 

Thanks Jean, Actually used it in the past. Turned out that the Windows installer looked for any file with WindowEyes in it. It was finding old setup files in my download folder. Sent them to the recycle bin and then emptied it. The install went forward.

Rick

 

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 7:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] HELP! Windows can't update

 

Hi

 

I am not a window eyes user but came across the following on there website at https://www.gwmicro.com/Support/Downloads/?fileNo=1114

It says it is for the following Window-Eyes Emergency Removal Utility

 

 

This other link even though it is a manual one says to use the above tool and it looks like it gives you directions to do it at http://www.gwmicro.com/Support/Knowledge_Base/?kbnumber=GWKB1060
Hope the above helps.

Gene nz

On 3/18/2018 6:25 AM, David Griffith wrote:

I saw this problem  on another list and it turned out that bizarrely even if you have completely removed Window Eyes from your system doing a uninstall etc you can still have problems if there is any trace of a Window Eyes  setup file present on the drive. I have my old Window Eyes files on another secondary drive so I have not personally come across this problem.

This problem persisted even though the lister explained that  his old Window Eyes setup files had been compressed into an archive, I cannot remember if it was a zip or rar file.

So Window Eyes was not  installed and the old setup files were having no impact on his system at all, but he could not proceed with his Windows 10 upgrade until he had removed these old compressed setup files from the drive.

I imagine the same problem exists if you have any setup files for Window Eyes anywhere.

Once he had removed them though he was able to proceed.

Pretty odd but that is what he reported.

David Griffith

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: ely.r@...
Sent: 17 March 2018 17:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] HELP! Windows can't update

 

Afternoon All,

Let’s start with the fact that forever, I was a WindowEyes worshiper. Second, this is not specifically an NVDA issue. The move to Windows ten went without a hitch. However, new updates have failed. The problem stated by the updater, was that I had incompatible software that the updater could not remove, and that I had to do this manually. The program listed was WindowEyes. When I moved to that other screen reader, I did a standard removed of WE and it no longer is listed as an installed program. Went and did a computer wide search of as many iterations of WindowEyes and GW Micro that I could think up. I did find some lingering fragments of WE and removed them as well. Here I am and the Windows updater has the same issue.

The only place I can think of that has WE fragments left is the registry. Even my nephew who worked as a school tech support person won’t edit that. So much of what info there is about registry cleaners does not make me smile. I have used Wise Registry Cleaner once and with success. I used it as it appeared to be the most trusted by folks writing reviews on line. However it is generally inaccessible with two screen readers. I feel that I was just lucky the time I used it. Here on the list, members have talked about C Cleaner, but again the online comments about it and any registry cleaner are mixed at best.

There be my problem! Is there anybody out there with a solution that is nonthreatening to my registry? ?.

Thanks for any ideas and I hope the luck of the Irish will bring me a pot of golden assistance,

Rick

Dr. Rick Ely

TVI, Vision Consultant

451 Rocky Hill Road

Florence, MA 01062

&413()  727-3038

 

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Hmm what I would do, and assuming this program will work is this. Windows 10 is presumably the 64 bit version. What was on the machine previously?

Can you still get back?
If yes then do so, put back window Eyes, and use Revo the old version to do a maximum scanned uninstall, where it can take away loose registry entries. if avast has ever been on the system get rid of it with the avast cleaner program. Do your upgrade to windows 10. Now things should work.
I had both these issues on my now long dead desktop that ran Windows 7 when I upgraded it to 10. However it failed when it tried to install the first updates straight after the initial update to 10, so rolling it back was easy, if a little long winded.
Otherwise you could try removing window eyes and avast if its there in windows 10 with revo, but I don't know if it can run. Because windw eyes is 32 bit the free old version has no issues removing it.
Avast is still the cleaner program.

Are you definitely sure the problem is the window eyes software? In my case it was the freeby Microsoft gave away with Office for a while and so I was surprised Microsoft had not figured out how to remove it properly!

I expect others will be along to suggest other things though.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: <ely.r@comcast.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 5:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] HELP! Windows can't update


Afternoon All,
Let's start with the fact that forever, I was a WindowEyes worshiper.
Second, this is not specifically an NVDA issue. The move to Windows ten went
without a hitch. However, new updates have failed. The problem stated by the
updater, was that I had incompatible software that the updater could not
remove, and that I had to do this manually. The program listed was
WindowEyes. When I moved to that other screen reader, I did a standard
removed of WE and it no longer is listed as an installed program. Went and
did a computer wide search of as many iterations of WindowEyes and GW Micro
that I could think up. I did find some lingering fragments of WE and removed
them as well. Here I am and the Windows updater has the same issue.

The only place I can think of that has WE fragments left is the registry.
Even my nephew who worked as a school tech support person won't edit that.
So much of what info there is about registry cleaners does not make me
smile. I have used Wise Registry Cleaner once and with success. I used it as
it appeared to be the most trusted by folks writing reviews on line. However
it is generally inaccessible with two screen readers. I feel that I was just
lucky the time I used it. Here on the list, members have talked about C
Cleaner, but again the online comments about it and any registry cleaner are
mixed at best.

There be my problem! Is there anybody out there with a solution that is
nonthreatening to my registry? ?.
Thanks for any ideas and I hope the luck of the Irish will bring me a pot of
golden assistance,
Rick

Dr. Rick Ely
TVI, Vision Consultant
451 Rocky Hill Road
Florence, MA 01062
&413() 727-3038



ely.r@...
 

Thanks for the suggestions. It turned out that the Windows updater looked
for anything to do with WE. There were uninstalled WE setup files in my
download folder. Deleted them and cleared my recycle bin, and the install
ran without a hitch.
Rick

Dr. Rick Ely
TVI, Vision Consultant
451 Rocky Hill Road
Florence, MA 01062
&413() 727-3038

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 5:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] HELP! Windows can't update

Hmm what I would do, and assuming this program will work is this. Windows 10
is presumably the 64 bit version. What was on the machine previously?

Can you still get back?
If yes then do so, put back window Eyes, and use Revo the old version to do
a maximum scanned uninstall, where it can take away loose registry entries.

if avast has ever been on the system get rid of it with the avast cleaner
program. Do your upgrade to windows 10. Now things should work.
I had both these issues on my now long dead desktop that ran Windows 7 when
I upgraded it to 10. However it failed when it tried to install the first
updates straight after the initial update to 10, so rolling it back was
easy, if a little long winded.
Otherwise you could try removing window eyes and avast if its there in
windows 10 with revo, but I don't know if it can run. Because windw eyes is
32 bit the free old version has no issues removing it.
Avast is still the cleaner program.

Are you definitely sure the problem is the window eyes software? In my case
it was the freeby Microsoft gave away with Office for a while and so I was
surprised Microsoft had not figured out how to remove it properly!

I expect others will be along to suggest other things though.
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: <ely.r@comcast.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 5:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] HELP! Windows can't update


Afternoon All,
Let's start with the fact that forever, I was a WindowEyes worshiper.
Second, this is not specifically an NVDA issue. The move to Windows ten
went
without a hitch. However, new updates have failed. The problem stated by
the
updater, was that I had incompatible software that the updater could not
remove, and that I had to do this manually. The program listed was
WindowEyes. When I moved to that other screen reader, I did a standard
removed of WE and it no longer is listed as an installed program. Went and
did a computer wide search of as many iterations of WindowEyes and GW
Micro
that I could think up. I did find some lingering fragments of WE and
removed
them as well. Here I am and the Windows updater has the same issue.

The only place I can think of that has WE fragments left is the registry.
Even my nephew who worked as a school tech support person won't edit that.
So much of what info there is about registry cleaners does not make me
smile. I have used Wise Registry Cleaner once and with success. I used it
as
it appeared to be the most trusted by folks writing reviews on line.
However
it is generally inaccessible with two screen readers. I feel that I was
just
lucky the time I used it. Here on the list, members have talked about C
Cleaner, but again the online comments about it and any registry cleaner
are
mixed at best.

There be my problem! Is there anybody out there with a solution that is
nonthreatening to my registry? ?.
Thanks for any ideas and I hope the luck of the Irish will bring me a pot
of
golden assistance,
Rick

Dr. Rick Ely
TVI, Vision Consultant
451 Rocky Hill Road
Florence, MA 01062
&413() 727-3038