Dragging and Dropping with NVDA


Giles Turnbull
 

for clarification of why I need to drag and drop, it is a means of removing DRM from iTunes films so I'll be able to convert them to mp3 and then play them on my Blaze book reader. I only have iTunes on my laptop which is too heavy to cart around with me. My alternative is to use Virtual Recorder to record iTunes playing the film as an mp3, but that means playing the whole episode through at 1x speed. Being able to de-DRM them and convert them in a fraction of the time would be a huge help.

I have the complete X-Files series 5 and was pondering geting all the other X-Files series (yeah, I'm a bit nerdy!) but I don't fancy doing that if I can't convert the audio to mp3.

Thanks for these drag and drop ideas and see how I get on :)


Brian Moore
 

Hi.  I have never been able to do this consistantly in thunderbird.

What is this add on called.  Must get it.

On 04/18/2018 2:05 PM, Annette Moore wrote:
I have that addon, but I didn't know you could just hit nvda+h to rearrange the columns in thunderbird. Maybe it's a good thing I didn't know, though, and learned how to drag and drop because now I know how to do it the hard way--kind of like learning how to do a math problem the long way, then being told you can use the calculator. (smile).

Annette


On 4/18/2018 3:21 AM, Ishe Chinyoka wrote:
Thanks. This addon has made my Thunderbird highly customisable: with a
simple NVDA+H, you can rearrange columns in the message list pane. It
also has other convenient shortcut keys to quickly jump to message
fields while reading. This is indeed a cool addon.



Ron Canazzi:
The NVDA add on you want is called Mozilla Apps Enhancements.



On 4/17/2018 10:19 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
If there is an add-on I would appreciate it if someone would name it.

What was last discussed, when I checked it out, did not include
anything related to reordering the column display order that I could
find.

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Annette Moore
 

I have that addon, but I didn't know you could just hit nvda+h to rearrange the columns in thunderbird. Maybe it's a good thing I didn't know, though, and learned how to drag and drop because now I know how to do it the hard way--kind of like learning how to do a math problem the long way, then being told you can use the calculator. (smile).

Annette

On 4/18/2018 3:21 AM, Ishe Chinyoka wrote:
Thanks. This addon has made my Thunderbird highly customisable: with a
simple NVDA+H, you can rearrange columns in the message list pane. It
also has other convenient shortcut keys to quickly jump to message
fields while reading. This is indeed a cool addon.



Ron Canazzi:
The NVDA add on you want is called Mozilla Apps Enhancements.



On 4/17/2018 10:19 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
If there is an add-on I would appreciate it if someone would name it.

What was last discussed, when I checked it out, did not include
anything related to reordering the column display order that I could
find.

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Thanks again, Ron.  I need to snag this into my "Tips n' Tricks" collection.

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Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Brian,


A useful add on that is obtained from Thunderbird itself is called Quick Folder key navigation.  This will allow you to use first letter navigation to move from folder to folder when in the tree view of folders.  This restores a key function that blind users liked in the old faithful Outlook Express.


If you are using NVDA, searching for this add on within Thunderbird is quite simple.  Click tools/add ons and tab 3 times to the  edit field.  Then type in quick folder key navigation and wait a few seconds.  Then tab once more to the list of results.  There should only be one.  Then use the right click menu to choose install and follow the prompts.



On 4/18/2018 11:31 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 09:36 pm, Ron Canazzi wrote:
The NVDA add on you want is called Mozilla Apps Enhancements. 
Thanks Ron.   This clears up another bit of confusion as I was not thinking of an NVDA Add-On but of a Thunderbird Add-On, of which there are more than I can count.
 
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On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 09:36 pm, Ron Canazzi wrote:
The NVDA add on you want is called Mozilla Apps Enhancements. 
Thanks Ron.   This clears up another bit of confusion as I was not thinking of an NVDA Add-On but of a Thunderbird Add-On, of which there are more than I can count.
 
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Yes some other software has this issue, one used to be one of the cd burning tools.
However that was what i meant by a track of the drag. Often only a nudge is needed to fool it into thinking its being moved.
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Quentin,

Thanks much for that information. One of the few instances where I've seen a need to use drag and drop via the keyboard is rearranging the displayed column order in Thunderbird. Because I've had so much trouble with this in the past, because I didn't know that a bump of the mouse was required, I've suggested that folks find a sighted assistant since this is generally a one-off activity. At least now I know why I've had the difficulties I've had as I'd certainly not have expected the need for actual mouse use (or the equivalent via Golden Cursor), that's for sure.

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It makes a difference if a new explorer session is in use or a reuse of an existing but not used window I notice.
Cut and paste is the way to go. Also do not be too fast as the actual selected file can lag behind the one you think is selected due to sluggish interface issues.
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On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:07 am, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:


Put both windows beside on the screen and it will work as you described
it.
Just for the record, I did have a side-by-side arrangement of two File Explorer windows when I was doing my testing and the method originally described did not work.

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Yes but not always going to be possible from the keyboard in my experience you often need to drag the windows about a bit to be able to make this work, which was what I was getting at about not having a trail between the drag and drop points.
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The both windows must be visible at the screen. It doesn’t work if you have all windows maximized. It wouldn’t work either if you were sighted using a mouse. Put both windows beside on the screen and it will work as you described it.



Cheers,

Ralf



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Giles Turnbull
Sent: Dienstag, 17. April 2018 15:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Dragging and Dropping with NVDA



Hi all,

I'm not sure if what I want to do is possible using NVDA but I thought I'd ask.

I've read the mouse functions section in the 2018.1 user guide and have tried routing the mouse to the current object (NVDA+num pad divide), locking the left mouse button on that object (shift+num pad divide), going to another window and then pressing NVDA+num pad divide to route the mouse pointer to that window, and finally pressing shift+num pad divide to release the locked left mouse button and, fingers crosssed, drop the item into that window ... and nothing seems to be happening.

In the user guide it says: Locks the left mouse button down. Press again to release it. To drag the mouse, press this key to lock the left button down and then move the mouse either physically or use one of the other mouse routing commands.

What I want to do is lock the left button on a file in explorer, drag it onto a Python terminal window and then drop the file on that window. There are no objects in that Python terminal window other than the title and the verticle scroll bar.

Grateful for any advice on whether the sequence of my actions is currect, and whether dropping a file in this way is possible. In other similar cases, such as dropping a file into a WordPress media window for uploading a new file, there is also a browse button and I always use that. Without any means of browsing for the file I want to drop in the terminal window I'm a bit stumped.

Giles


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I've never found a need to drag and drop unless its a completely non standard application where it can be hit and miss. I think the issue is that the software concerned needs to be able to know that you are not exactly dragging at all, ie there is no actual track between the two locations, so it ignores you. If cut and paste is possible its far more reliable.
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Hi, Brian,



I use copy and paste quite a bit and it does work great for me. Thank you for the tip.



Rosemarie







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Subject: Re: [nvda] Dragging and Dropping with NVDA



I just tried what you described and although I'd think it would do as you described it doesn't for me, either.

One thing I did try that seems to work is using copy and paste. Once I have focus on the file I want to drop in the source window I hit the conventional Windows keyboard shortcut CTRL+C to copy it. I then navigate to the target window using ALT+TAB then get myself positioned such that I am ready to drop it where it needs to be dropped then hit Paste, CTRL+V, which effectively drops it there.

Try this and see if it works for you.
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Euclid Mukuronga
 

Thanks. This addon has made my Thunderbird highly customisable: with a
simple NVDA+H, you can rearrange columns in the message list pane. It
also has other convenient shortcut keys to quickly jump to message
fields while reading. This is indeed a cool addon.



Ron Canazzi:


The NVDA add on you want is called Mozilla Apps Enhancements. 



On 4/17/2018 10:19 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
If there is an add-on I would appreciate it if someone would name it.

What was last discussed, when I checked it out, did not include
anything related to reordering the column display order that I could
find.

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Ron Canazzi
 

The NVDA add on you want is called Mozilla Apps Enhancements. 



On 4/17/2018 10:19 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
If there is an add-on I would appreciate it if someone would name it.

What was last discussed, when I checked it out, did not include anything related to reordering the column display order that I could find.

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If there is an add-on I would appreciate it if someone would name it.

What was last discussed, when I checked it out, did not include anything related to reordering the column display order that I could find.

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John Isige
 

The Mozilla addon let's you rearrange the columns without dragging and
dropping I'm pretty sure. Not that knowing how to drag and drop isn't
useful mind, but there's at least another way to do that specific thing.

On 4/17/2018 20:47, Brian Vogel wrote:
Quentin,

          Thanks much for that information.  One of the few instances
where I've seen a need to use drag and drop via the keyboard is
rearranging the displayed column order in Thunderbird.  Because I've
had so much trouble with this in the past, because I didn't know that
a bump of the mouse was required, I've suggested that folks find a
sighted assistant since this is generally a one-off activity.  At
least now I know why I've had the difficulties I've had as I'd
certainly not have expected the need for actual mouse use (or the
equivalent via Golden Cursor), that's for sure.

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Quentin Christensen
 

You're welcome - I must admit, I had tried it, but hadn't explored enough to try moving the mouse (or mouse pointer) to initiate the drag and drop functionality until this morning.  There are some instances where this still might work, and of course, if trying to do something requiring finer precision such as reordering mail columns, it's important not just to bump the mouse, but to ensure that it is in fact in the right position before unlocking the button.



On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Quentin,

          Thanks much for that information.  One of the few instances where I've seen a need to use drag and drop via the keyboard is rearranging the displayed column order in Thunderbird.  Because I've had so much trouble with this in the past, because I didn't know that a bump of the mouse was required, I've suggested that folks find a sighted assistant since this is generally a one-off activity.  At least now I know why I've had the difficulties I've had as I'd certainly not have expected the need for actual mouse use (or the equivalent via Golden Cursor), that's for sure.

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Quentin,

          Thanks much for that information.  One of the few instances where I've seen a need to use drag and drop via the keyboard is rearranging the displayed column order in Thunderbird.  Because I've had so much trouble with this in the past, because I didn't know that a bump of the mouse was required, I've suggested that folks find a sighted assistant since this is generally a one-off activity.  At least now I know why I've had the difficulties I've had as I'd certainly not have expected the need for actual mouse use (or the equivalent via Golden Cursor), that's for sure.

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Quentin Christensen
 

The drag and drop functionality doesn't seem to kick in until the mouse is moved.  If you route the mouse pointer over the file to copy, press shift+numpad divide (or NVDA+control+[ for folks using laptop keyboard layout), then either physically move the mouse, or use one of the keyboard options such as Golden Cursor to move the mouse, and THEN alt+tab to the other window, routing the mouse to wherever you need in that window and finally pressing shift+numpad divide to release the left button, it should work. 

Having said all that, unless it's something that really can't be done any other way, I'd generally recommend using keyboard commands to copy and paste etc.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 5:21 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:07 am, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:
Put both windows beside on the screen and it will work as you described it.
Just for the record, I did have a side-by-side arrangement of two File Explorer windows when I was doing my testing and the method originally described did not work.
 
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On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:07 am, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:
Put both windows beside on the screen and it will work as you described it.
Just for the record, I did have a side-by-side arrangement of two File Explorer windows when I was doing my testing and the method originally described did not work.
 
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Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

The both windows must be visible at the screen. It doesn’t work if you have all windows maximized. It wouldn’t work either if you were sighted using a mouse. Put both windows beside on the screen and it will work as you described it.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Giles Turnbull
Sent: Dienstag, 17. April 2018 15:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Dragging and Dropping with NVDA

 

Hi all,

I'm not sure if what I want to do is possible using NVDA but I thought I'd ask.

I've read the mouse functions section in the 2018.1 user guide and have tried routing the mouse to the current object (NVDA+num pad divide), locking the left mouse button on that object (shift+num pad divide), going to another window and then pressing NVDA+num pad divide to route the mouse pointer to that window, and finally pressing shift+num pad divide to release the locked left mouse button and, fingers crosssed, drop the item into that window ... and nothing seems to be happening.

In the user guide it says: Locks the left mouse button down. Press again to release it. To drag the mouse, press this key to lock the left button down and then move the mouse either physically or use one of the other mouse routing commands.

What I want to do is lock the left button on a file in explorer, drag it onto a Python terminal window and then drop the file on that window. There are no objects in that Python terminal window other than the title and the verticle scroll bar.

Grateful for any advice on whether the sequence of my actions is currect, and whether dropping a file in this way is possible. In other similar cases, such as dropping a file into a WordPress media window for uploading a new file, there is also a browse button and I always use that. Without any means of browsing for the file I want to drop in the terminal window I'm a bit stumped.

Giles


Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,

 

I use copy and paste quite a bit and it does work great for me. Thank you for the tip.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dragging and Dropping with NVDA

 

I just tried what you described and although I'd think it would do as you described it doesn't for me, either.

One thing I did try that seems to work is using copy and paste.  Once I have focus on the file I want to drop in the source window I hit the conventional Windows keyboard shortcut CTRL+C to copy it.   I then navigate to the target window using ALT+TAB then get myself positioned such that I am ready to drop it where it needs to be dropped then hit Paste, CTRL+V, which effectively drops it there.

Try this and see if it works for you. 
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