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NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS


Inam Uddin
 

Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.

The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.

So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!

I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!

Friends, I’d like to request you to  please comment about my observation if it is right?

Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

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I agree; and in my case it is the number of languages with NVDA that I
like. I can, with a keystroek, switch from one language to another.
the only disadvantage with NVDA is that it lacks behind as far as
Unified English Braille (UEB) is concerned. As I am studying to be
certified as a braille proofreader this feature is important for me.
JAWS has both output and input UEB tables whereas NVDA has only
output table.
Nevzat

On 4/19/18, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io <charlsdarwin1969=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen
reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as
my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in
the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to please comment about my observation if
it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@...
outlook:
inam092@...
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@...
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@...
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+1-631-5335683
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409


Jason White
 

I think NVDA and JAWS are arguably the best screen readers currently available
for any platform. Which is preferable to a given person or in a given
situation depends on a variety of factors.

VoiceOver for iOS is also very good, in my experience. Please bear in mind,
however, that I haven't used Android recently and so can't make an up to date
comparison. I regularly use Mac OS, Windows, Linux and iOS, and occasionally
Chrome OS for testing purposes.

Nevzat Adil <@Nev> wrote:

I agree; and in my case it is the number of languages with NVDA that I
like. I can, with a keystroek, switch from one language to another.
the only disadvantage with NVDA is that it lacks behind as far as
Unified English Braille (UEB) is concerned. As I am studying to be
certified as a braille proofreader this feature is important for me.
JAWS has both output and input UEB tables whereas NVDA has only
output table.
Nevzat

On 4/19/18, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io <charlsdarwin1969=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen
reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as
my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in
the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to please comment about my observation if
it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@...
outlook:
inam092@...
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@...
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@...
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+1-631-5335683
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409



Angela Delicata
 

Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only since last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web navigation, checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no need for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because they do not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy

Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to please comment about my observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@...
outlook:
inam092@...
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@...
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@...
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+1-631-5335683
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409


Sky Mundell
 

That's true. Although JAWS does have tools which I use at work such as Text Analyzer, skim reading, etc. Skim reading is in NVDA and I think Text Amalyzer could as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angela Delicata
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 12:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only since
last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web navigation,
checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no need
for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because they do
not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to please comment about my observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@...
outlook:
inam092@...
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@...
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@...
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+1-631-5335683
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409


Don H
 

I started using NVDA after the demise of Window Eyes. I also got the free Jaws when it was offered. I found NVDA much easier to use over Jaws and use NVDA as my prime screen reader. Just hope that there is no way that VFO can swallow up NVDA as it did Window Eyes.


bob jutzi <jutzi1@...>
 

I'm sure it depends what software you use; but for me, I'm strictly a home user running NVDA for over two years and love it. Along with supporting Omnipage, the KNFB Reader Windows 10 app, iTunes, Thunderbird, etc. extremely well, NVDA is extremely responsive. No offense against JAWS users, just don't see the reason for such a ridiculous upgrade price tag. It's not like it's still the 90's and Windows screen access for the blind is still in its infancy.

Bob

On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,
I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only since last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web navigation, checking emails, using text programs et.
I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no need for it now.
Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because they do not know it enough.
Ciao
Angela from Italy
Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to please comment about my observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@...
outlook:
inam092@...
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@...
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@...
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+1-631-5335683
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409


Gene
 

There are some uses for which JAWS is better.  My impression is that NVDA is either as good or better than JAWS for typical uses such as browsing, e-mail, working with audio players, and doing other things the majority of users do.  But JAWS is much more user configurable and the user who knows how to do so can make it work with many programs that aren't widely used, but that the person may want or need.  A lot of users won't have a need or wish to do so but the ability to customize JAWS is important for some users.
 
And there are times when JAWS works with a certain program better and where NVDA works with a specific program better. 
 
It's common to see the attitude among committed NVDA users that it is very superior and to pretty much dismiss JAWS.  that isn't a proper view.  for some, perhaps many, users, NVDA would be superior.  but there are blind people who rely on JAWS in important ways.  It's far better to have choices and I don't hope to see the demise of JAWS.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
> The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
> So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
> I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
> Friends, I’d like to request you to  please comment about my observation if it is right?
> Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> AOL:
> charlsdarwin1969@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +1-631-5335683
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
>




Sky Mundell
 

There is no way that VFO is going to swallow up NVDA because it is open Source.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 12:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

I started using NVDA after the demise of Window Eyes. I also got the
free Jaws when it was offered. I found NVDA much easier to use over
Jaws and use NVDA as my prime screen reader. Just hope that there is no
way that VFO can swallow up NVDA as it did Window Eyes.


Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

They both have their strengths and weaknesses as far as I'm concerned.

For me, jaws is far, far superior when navigating through windows explorer but NVDA is superior when it comes to the windows 10 store and the windows 10 apps you can download from it. Similarly, jaws still has quite an edge in microsoft office though NVDA is catching up.

On 19-Apr-2018 2:04 PM, Jason White via Groups.Io wrote:
I think NVDA and JAWS are arguably the best screen readers currently available
for any platform. Which is preferable to a given person or in a given
situation depends on a variety of factors.

VoiceOver for iOS is also very good, in my experience. Please bear in mind,
however, that I haven't used Android recently and so can't make an up to date
comparison. I regularly use Mac OS, Windows, Linux and iOS, and occasionally
Chrome OS for testing purposes.

Nevzat Adil <@Nev> wrote:
I agree; and in my case it is the number of languages with NVDA that I
like. I can, with a keystroek, switch from one language to another.
the only disadvantage with NVDA is that it lacks behind as far as
Unified English Braille (UEB) is concerned. As I am studying to be
certified as a braille proofreader this feature is important for me.
JAWS has both output and input UEB tables whereas NVDA has only
output table.
Nevzat

On 4/19/18, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io <charlsdarwin1969=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen
reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as
my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in
the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to please comment about my observation if
it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@...
outlook:
inam092@...
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@...
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@...
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+1-631-5335683
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409


Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

thank you for this.


I can think of a perfect example this morning.

I was trying to click on a button on a webpage with NVDA. It was quite the important button, too, as it was a button that allows me to pay a bill.

Apparently the bank changed something because NVDA, no matter what browser I used, no matter if the window was maximized, no matter if I used object nav and then routed mouse cursor to NVDA with capslock shift m, it would not click. Chrome, firefox ESR, firefox latest, edge, internet exploder. So then I tried narrator with edge and had the same results.


Opened jaws and chrome, got it first try by pressing enter.

That, right there, made it worth the $125 SMA I just paid simply because I did not have to go through the hell of changing my bank, credit card, etc based on one button. I'm still going to be raising hell with said bank but, really, this superior NVDA is better than jaws attitude simply because it is free needs to stop. This is coming from an NVDA user. There are things NVDA can't do and jaws can and vice versa. Neither are perfect and judging someone based on what screen reader they use is just absurd and childish.





On 19-Apr-2018 2:43 PM, Gene wrote:
There are some uses for which JAWS is better.  My impression is that NVDA is either as good or better than JAWS for typical uses such as browsing, e-mail, working with audio players, and doing other things the majority of users do.  But JAWS is much more user configurable and the user who knows how to do so can make it work with many programs that aren't widely used, but that the person may want or need.  A lot of users won't have a need or wish to do so but the ability to customize JAWS is important for some users.
 
And there are times when JAWS works with a certain program better and where NVDA works with a specific program better. 
 
It's common to see the attitude among committed NVDA users that it is very superior and to pretty much dismiss JAWS.  that isn't a proper view.  for some, perhaps many, users, NVDA would be superior.  but there are blind people who rely on JAWS in important ways.  It's far better to have choices and I don't hope to see the demise of JAWS.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
> The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
> So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
> I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
> Friends, I’d like to request you to  please comment about my observation if it is right?
> Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> AOL:
> charlsdarwin1969@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +1-631-5335683
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
>





bob jutzi <jutzi1@...>
 

I did neglect to give an example, Quicken.
I used Quicken from 2000-13 with Window-eyes. Since the discontinuation of Window-eyes, had I continued using it rather than switching to my bank's iOS app, this would require me to use JAWS since unfortunately, NVDA doesn't support Quicken enough to make it useable.

On 4/19/2018 3:41 PM, bob jutzi wrote:
I'm sure it depends what software you use; but for me, I'm strictly a home user running NVDA for over two years and love it. Along with supporting Omnipage, the KNFB Reader Windows 10 app, iTunes, Thunderbird, etc. extremely well, NVDA is extremely responsive. No offense against JAWS users, just don't see the reason for such a ridiculous upgrade price tag. It's not like it's still the 90's and Windows screen access for the blind is still in its infancy.
Bob
On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only since last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web navigation, checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no need for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because they do not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
Friends, I’d like to request you to please comment about my observation if it is right?
Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1


Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@...
outlook:
inam092@...
yahoo:
inamuddin2010@...
AOL:
charlsdarwin1969@...
Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
Call me on my cell numbers:
+1-631-5335683
+92-300-2227598
+92-334-3348409




Dan Kerstetter
 

After following this thread, I’ve decided to put in my 1.5 cents.  (smile)

 

As a blind person who has used a computer for a long time with many different screen readers, I feel that one can never have too many.  Some things JAWS is better at than NVDA and vice versa.  I’ve actually had to switch between screen readers in the middle of performing a task on the web simply because one will work and the other won’t for one specific part of a task.  Thanks for reading.

 

Dan K

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

 

Hi,

thank you for this.

 

I can think of a perfect example this morning.

I was trying to click on a button on a webpage with NVDA. It was quite the important button, too, as it was a button that allows me to pay a bill.

Apparently the bank changed something because NVDA, no matter what browser I used, no matter if the window was maximized, no matter if I used object nav and then routed mouse cursor to NVDA with capslock shift m, it would not click. Chrome, firefox ESR, firefox latest, edge, internet exploder. So then I tried narrator with edge and had the same results.

 

Opened jaws and chrome, got it first try by pressing enter.

That, right there, made it worth the $125 SMA I just paid simply because I did not have to go through the hell of changing my bank, credit card, etc based on one button. I'm still going to be raising hell with said bank but, really, this superior NVDA is better than jaws attitude simply because it is free needs to stop. This is coming from an NVDA user. There are things NVDA can't do and jaws can and vice versa. Neither are perfect and judging someone based on what screen reader they use is just absurd and childish.

 

 

 

 

On 19-Apr-2018 2:43 PM, Gene wrote:

There are some uses for which JAWS is better.  My impression is that NVDA is either as good or better than JAWS for typical uses such as browsing, e-mail, working with audio players, and doing other things the majority of users do.  But JAWS is much more user configurable and the user who knows how to do so can make it work with many programs that aren't widely used, but that the person may want or need.  A lot of users won't have a need or wish to do so but the ability to customize JAWS is important for some users.

 

And there are times when JAWS works with a certain program better and where NVDA works with a specific program better. 

 

It's common to see the attitude among committed NVDA users that it is very superior and to pretty much dismiss JAWS.  that isn't a proper view.  for some, perhaps many, users, NVDA would be superior.  but there are blind people who rely on JAWS in important ways.  It's far better to have choices and I don't hope to see the demise of JAWS.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----
> Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time in year 2010.
> The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using NVDA.
> So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been using it as my secondary screen reader!
> I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS specially in the area of accessibility!
> Friends, I’d like to request you to  please comment about my observation if it is right?
> Please let me know the pros and cons of my observation!
> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
> Charlsdarwin1
>
>
> Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
> At the end, you have to ignore everything and clic I agree.
> You can contact me via gmail:
> inamuddin09@...
> outlook:
> inam092@...
> yahoo:
> inamuddin2010@...
> AOL:
> charlsdarwin1969@...
> Add my Skype ID:
> charlsdarwin1
> Meet me on facebook:
> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786
> Follow me on my twitter ID:
> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
> Call me on my cell numbers:
> +1-631-5335683
> +92-300-2227598
> +92-334-3348409
>
>


 


Antony Stone
 

Indeed.

It's exactly the same as choosing a web browser - there is no single "best"
choice. Some people prefer Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Opera, or whatever;
sometimes one works with a particular website better than others; some have
features which you don't often need but are really useful on occasion.

So, having several web browsers installed so you can choose which one to use
at any given time is good; the same thing goes for screen readers - there is
no single "best" choice, it depends on what you're trying to do, and sometimes
what you feel most comfortable / familiar with.


Antony.

On Thursday 19 April 2018 at 23:34:30, Dan Kerstetter wrote:

After following this thread, I’ve decided to put in my 1.5 cents. (smile)

As a blind person who has used a computer for a long time with many
different screen readers, I feel that one can never have too many. Some
things JAWS is better at than NVDA and vice versa. I’ve actually had to
switch between screen readers in the middle of performing a task on the
web simply because one will work and the other won’t for one specific part
of a task. Thanks for reading.

Dan K
--
The Magic Words are Squeamish Ossifrage.

Please reply to the list;
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ely.r@...
 

Hey all,
Not going to chime in too much about which is better or the best screen reader. I use both the candidates. For me, what is crucial is cost. I have been a TVI for twenty-five years. It has frequently been difficult to convince school districts to purchase either JAWS or WindowEyes for students particularly those whose conditions may mean that either will not meet been their long term needs. The APH version of JAWS has changed this.

However, as part of the Baby Boomer generation, I am also aware of the staggering numbers of my cohort who will be losing vision in the next several decades. Frighteningly, that population will be even larger due to the increases of vision loss across all ages. As just one example, the incidence of diabetic retinopathy has increased over 80% due in large part to our American diet.

We Boomers are the first generation of seniors for whom computers have become part of everyday life. Many of us will be on relatively fixed incomes. The access features built into Windows may serve some individuals, and Microsoft may continue to improve those. However, it is very likely that many more of us will be in need of a highly functional screen reader that will allow us to keep using computers.
NV Access has as its goal, to make a constantly improved screen reader available to anyone. The cost of other options for older computer addicts may make other screen readers simply out of reach. Some folks on the list are rightfully concerned about the open source model of NVDA. So much of the ongoing development comes from individuals giving freely of their time. My hope is that aging vision loss will actually grow support for this model, both monetarily and in the volunteer pool. Maybe too, the operating systems will continue to work to produce screen readers that are every bit as functional as both JAWS and NVDA. For the future, my hopes are that there will be tools that allow everyone access to what looks to be all of our futures.
No one paid me to add the PSA announcement below.
P.S. Please when you get to that part of downloading your next NVDA upgrade, where the installer asks, "Donate Now, "press that button before going further. If you can, think of a monthly donation like you think of your internet service agreement, and make it monthly.
Rick

Dr. Rick Ely
TVI, Vision Consultant
451 Rocky Hill Road
Florence, MA 01062
&413() 727-3038

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of bob jutzi
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

I'm sure it depends what software you use; but for me, I'm strictly a home user running NVDA for over two years and love it. Along with supporting Omnipage, the KNFB Reader Windows 10 app, iTunes, Thunderbird, etc. extremely well, NVDA is extremely responsive. No offense against JAWS users, just don't see the reason for such a ridiculous upgrade price tag. It's not like it's still the 90's and Windows screen access for the blind is still in its infancy.

Bob



On 4/19/2018 3:30 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,

I removed Jaws completely from my PC and have been using nvda only
since last october... I do exactly the same things as Jaws: web
navigation, checking emails, using text programs et.

I can say in same occations nvda is even better than Jaws... so no
need for it now.

Honestly, I may say those who speak bad of nvda is only because they
do not know it enough.


Ciao

Angela from Italy



Il 19/04/2018 19:04, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Dear friends, the matter of fact is that I’m using JAWS as my primary
screen reader since I have started using computer for the first time
in year 2010.
The latest tutorial of NVDA by Joseph Lee made me interested in using
NVDA.
So I have downloaded and installed it and since then I have been
using it as my secondary screen reader!
I’m very happy to let you know that NVDA is well ahead of JAWS
specially in the area of accessibility!
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Gene
 

It's worth pointing out that, although Window-eyes will become increasingly less useful over time, it still would be worth keeping around because you might find something it does better than JAWS or NVDA.  Just because it is no longer updated doesn't mean it may not be useful for certain tasks.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Indeed.

It's exactly the same as choosing a web browser - there is no single "best"
choice.  Some people prefer Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Opera, or whatever;
sometimes one works with a particular website better than others; some have
features which you don't often need but are really useful on occasion.

So, having several web browsers installed so you can choose which one to use
at any given time is good; the same thing goes for screen readers - there is
no single "best" choice, it depends on what you're trying to do, and sometimes
what you feel most comfortable / familiar with.


Antony.

On Thursday 19 April 2018 at 23:34:30, Dan Kerstetter wrote:

> After following this thread, I’ve decided to put in my 1.5 cents.  (smile)
>
> As a blind person who has used a computer for a long time with many
> different screen readers, I feel that one can never have too many.  Some
> things JAWS is better at than NVDA and vice versa.  I’ve actually had to
> switch between screen readers in the middle of performing a task on the
> web simply because one will work and the other won’t for one specific part
> of a task.  Thanks for reading.
>
> Dan K

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Sky Mundell
 

Absolutely correct Gene. I used it for 11 years, stuck with it through the lawsuits that FS filed against GW, stuck with it through the buyout with AI, and so on and so forth.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

 

It's worth pointing out that, although Window-eyes will become increasingly less useful over time, it still would be worth keeping around because you might find something it does better than JAWS or NVDA.  Just because it is no longer updated doesn't mean it may not be useful for certain tasks.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:42 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

 

Indeed.

It's exactly the same as choosing a web browser - there is no single "best"
choice.  Some people prefer Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Opera, or whatever;
sometimes one works with a particular website better than others; some have
features which you don't often need but are really useful on occasion.

So, having several web browsers installed so you can choose which one to use
at any given time is good; the same thing goes for screen readers - there is
no single "best" choice, it depends on what you're trying to do, and sometimes
what you feel most comfortable / familiar with.


Antony.

On Thursday 19 April 2018 at 23:34:30, Dan Kerstetter wrote:

> After following this thread, I’ve decided to put in my 1.5 cents.  (smile)
>
> As a blind person who has used a computer for a long time with many
> different screen readers, I feel that one can never have too many.  Some
> things JAWS is better at than NVDA and vice versa.  I’ve actually had to
> switch between screen readers in the middle of performing a task on the
> web simply because one will work and the other won’t for one specific part
> of a task.  Thanks for reading.
>
> Dan K

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Ashley Wayne
 

Hey all,
I am enjoying this thread.  I don't see any need or reason to insist that one screenreader is inherently better overall than another.  They each may work better for different tasks or one just may find one easier to use than another.  In my case, I use nvda most, but have relied on jaws for working with pdf documents, as I find for me it seems to be a bit easier to manipulate.  I will sometimes try narrator as well, it is so nice to have choices.  It's just like with phones or computers, it's preference and/or tailoring to what specific task you need a screenreader for.  I'm personally apprecitive of microsoft, vfo and nv access for all their hard work.


On Apr 19, 2018 5:11 PM, "Gene" <gsasner@...> wrote:
It's worth pointing out that, although Window-eyes will become increasingly less useful over time, it still would be worth keeping around because you might find something it does better than JAWS or NVDA.  Just because it is no longer updated doesn't mean it may not be useful for certain tasks.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

Indeed.

It's exactly the same as choosing a web browser - there is no single "best"
choice.  Some people prefer Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Opera, or whatever;
sometimes one works with a particular website better than others; some have
features which you don't often need but are really useful on occasion.

So, having several web browsers installed so you can choose which one to use
at any given time is good; the same thing goes for screen readers - there is
no single "best" choice, it depends on what you're trying to do, and sometimes
what you feel most comfortable / familiar with.


Antony.

On Thursday 19 April 2018 at 23:34:30, Dan Kerstetter wrote:

> After following this thread, I’ve decided to put in my 1.5 cents.  (smile)
>
> As a blind person who has used a computer for a long time with many
> different screen readers, I feel that one can never have too many.  Some
> things JAWS is better at than NVDA and vice versa.  I’ve actually had to
> switch between screen readers in the middle of performing a task on the
> web simply because one will work and the other won’t for one specific part
> of a task.  Thanks for reading.
>
> Dan K

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David Moore
 

Exactly!

I use NVDA for many tasks, JAWS for many tasks, and even Narrator for other tasks. Each screen reader has its own specialties to be better in different apps, the web, and desktop programs. JAWS does a little better in Chrome, for example. NVDA does great in the win10 mail app. Narrator does very well in the Store app and Skype app. I use all screen readers to be as fast as I can and get the most done. I am not loyal to one screen reader like my wife LOL! The more tools you have, the more you can do. I use three browsers, for example, to do different tasks. Have a great one!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ashley Wayne
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 7:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

 

Hey all,
I am enjoying this thread.  I don't see any need or reason to insist that one screenreader is inherently better overall than another.  They each may work better for different tasks or one just may find one easier to use than another.  In my case, I use nvda most, but have relied on jaws for working with pdf documents, as I find for me it seems to be a bit easier to manipulate.  I will sometimes try narrator as well, it is so nice to have choices.  It's just like with phones or computers, it's preference and/or tailoring to what specific task you need a screenreader for.  I'm personally apprecitive of microsoft, vfo and nv access for all their hard work.

 

On Apr 19, 2018 5:11 PM, "Gene" <gsasner@...> wrote:

It's worth pointing out that, although Window-eyes will become increasingly less useful over time, it still would be worth keeping around because you might find something it does better than JAWS or NVDA.  Just because it is no longer updated doesn't mean it may not be useful for certain tasks.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:42 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS

 

Indeed.

It's exactly the same as choosing a web browser - there is no single "best"
choice.  Some people prefer Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Opera, or whatever;
sometimes one works with a particular website better than others; some have
features which you don't often need but are really useful on occasion.

So, having several web browsers installed so you can choose which one to use
at any given time is good; the same thing goes for screen readers - there is
no single "best" choice, it depends on what you're trying to do, and sometimes
what you feel most comfortable / familiar with.


Antony.

On Thursday 19 April 2018 at 23:34:30, Dan Kerstetter wrote:

> After following this thread, I’ve decided to put in my 1.5 cents.  (smile)
>
> As a blind person who has used a computer for a long time with many
> different screen readers, I feel that one can never have too many.  Some
> things JAWS is better at than NVDA and vice versa.  I’ve actually had to
> switch between screen readers in the middle of performing a task on the
> web simply because one will work and the other won’t for one specific part
> of a task.  Thanks for reading.
>
> Dan K

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bob jutzi <jutzi1@...>
 

Absolutely. Still have mine.

On 4/19/2018 7:14 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Absolutely correct Gene. I used it for 11 years, stuck with it through the lawsuits that FS filed against GW, stuck with it through the buyout with AI, and so on and so forth.
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:13 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
It's worth pointing out that, although Window-eyes will become increasingly less useful over time, it still would be worth keeping around because you might find something it does better than JAWS or NVDA. Just because it is no longer updated doesn't mean it may not be useful for certain tasks.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Antony Stone <mailto:antony.stone@...>
*Sent:*Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:42 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] NVDA Is Well Ahead Of JAWS
Indeed.
It's exactly the same as choosing a web browser - there is no single "best"
choice. Some people prefer Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Opera, or whatever;
sometimes one works with a particular website better than others; some have
features which you don't often need but are really useful on occasion.
So, having several web browsers installed so you can choose which one to use
at any given time is good; the same thing goes for screen readers - there is
no single "best" choice, it depends on what you're trying to do, and sometimes
what you feel most comfortable / familiar with.
Antony.
On Thursday 19 April 2018 at 23:34:30, Dan Kerstetter wrote:

> After following this thread, I’ve decided to put in my 1.5 cents.
(smile)
>
> As a blind person who has used a computer for a long time with many
> different screen readers, I feel that one can never have too many. Some
> things JAWS is better at than NVDA and vice versa. I’ve actually had to
> switch between screen readers in the middle of performing a task on the
> web simply because one will work and the other won’t for one specific
part
> of a task. Thanks for reading.
>
> Dan K
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