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[libreoffice-accessibility] Windows LO with JAWS


 

Since you all can take code from OO, can't you take basically, all of their accessibility information and use it in LO? I mean, I stopped using JAWS years ago, but I heard from other people that JAWS works with OO? Would that be a lot of work? Taking all of the accessibility information from OO because OO is very accessible, just not updated or even nearly as stable.


On 5/4/2018 4:18 PM, David Goldfield wrote:
This is distressing. Several years ago, JAWS was working reasonably well with LibreOffice, if my memory is correct, but I have also encountered the same problem with more recent versions. As you say, NVDA offers much better support. While NVDA has been my screen reader of choice for nine years I would encourage users of JAWS to contact VFO at support@... to let them know your feelings regarding the lack of support being offered by JAWS for this excellent suite.



David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 5/4/2018 2:59 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote:
Bryen Yunashko wrote
... A couple of months ago, I installed LibreOffice and had great
difficulty because often when I started up LO, Jaws would stop working and
then restart itself.

A number of buttons and fields didn't work either.   So, I put it aside
for a while.   This week I decided to try again and asked someone to
update the latest LO as the inplace update button wasn't accessible for
me.

Now, when I start LO, it does not even speak anything.  It is completely
"hidden."   But I know LO is actually running because I will randomly type
some text, then press Alt+F4 to close the program and I get a prompt to
save or discard my file.

But while LO is open, nothing works.  No menu button, tabs, arrow keys,
nothing.

Is this a known problem?
Completely normal...

LibreOffice implements a native Windows accessibility bridge based on the
opensource IAccessible2 API

Reference:
http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/ia2/docs/html/

Unfortunately for JAWS users Freedom Scientific has never seen fit to
implement modular support for IA2, so the short answer is it is known and
JAWS willl not work with LibreOffice.

You will need to install NVDA as a free and open source Windows backup to
JAWS. The screen reader navigation is a bit different--but fidelity of IA2
accessible content is much better.  LibreOffice accessible event based
support is pretty complete--and its screen review/Graphics API "screen
scraping" rounds things out.

Available here:
https://www.nvaccess.org/

Let us know how you make out.





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V Stuart Foote
 

Blindjourno wrote
> Since you all can take code from OO, can't you take basically, all of
> their accessibility information and use it in LO? I mean, I stopped
> using JAWS years ago, but I heard from other people that JAWS works with
> OO? Would that be a lot of work? Taking all of the accessibility
> information from OO because OO is very accessible, just not updated or
> even nearly as stable.

Apache OpenOffice (AOO) uses the same IAccessible2 API, but unlike
LibreOffice they left the MSAA/IAccessible API in place, so there is
marginal Assistive Technology tool support in AOO with JAWS. And, nothing
that LibreOffice would care to implement--thank you.

Before its demise WindowsEyes had support for select IA2 based
applications--but never LibreOffice or AOO.

VFO/Freedom Scientific's refusal to support accessible events instrumented
with IA2 API has never made much sense to me personally, but their
insistence on Windows applications adopting Microsoft UI Automation (UIA)
brands them as a second rate player in the Free and Open Source Software
arena. It is not their business model--too bad if you are dependent on them.

LibreOffice as an OpenSource and cross platform development project is not
obliged to provide proprietary UIA bindings--an extension to "bridge" IA2 to
UIA could be developed--but we'll leave that to Freedom Scientific to
implement if they choose. We'll concentrate on making the native IA2/ATK &
AT-SPI/NSAccessibility bridges function cross platform against LibreOffices
internal accessibility modules.

For any JAWS user on Windows--LibreOffice is accessible at no cost, simply
install NVDA. Alternatively, ORCA on a Linux will do well, but if you need
more hand holding for a small fee the Hypra project's U.A.S. "Universally
Accessible operating System"  is a first rate Linux Debian distribution.

Enjoy...


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This discussion is way over my head. I think or thought I knew that the accessible modules were also in Libra Office that are in Open Office. i have had more luck in Libras word processor certainly, even though the  browse and  focus modes of MS Office are not supported. The one big thing it requires is a really good say all that does not stop after each blank line. I could care less about how this is done, but its stopping me adopting it. I'd rather use office 2003 at the moment as like most people I find working with Ribbons in Microsofts more recent editions, a complete nightmare for a non visual person.
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Blindjourno wrote
> Since you all can take code from OO, can't you take basically, all of
> their accessibility information and use it in LO? I mean, I stopped
> using JAWS years ago, but I heard from other people that JAWS works with
> OO? Would that be a lot of work? Taking all of the accessibility
> information from OO because OO is very accessible, just not updated or
> even nearly as stable.

Apache OpenOffice (AOO) uses the same IAccessible2 API, but unlike
LibreOffice they left the MSAA/IAccessible API in place, so there is
marginal Assistive Technology tool support in AOO with JAWS. And, nothing
that LibreOffice would care to implement--thank you.

Before its demise WindowsEyes had support for select IA2 based
applications--but never LibreOffice or AOO.

VFO/Freedom Scientific's refusal to support accessible events instrumented
with IA2 API has never made much sense to me personally, but their
insistence on Windows applications adopting Microsoft UI Automation (UIA)
brands them as a second rate player in the Free and Open Source Software
arena. It is not their business model--too bad if you are dependent on them.

LibreOffice as an OpenSource and cross platform development project is not
obliged to provide proprietary UIA bindings--an extension to "bridge" IA2 to
UIA could be developed--but we'll leave that to Freedom Scientific to
implement if they choose. We'll concentrate on making the native IA2/ATK &
AT-SPI/NSAccessibility bridges function cross platform against LibreOffices
internal accessibility modules.

For any JAWS user on Windows--LibreOffice is accessible at no cost, simply
install NVDA. Alternatively, ORCA on a Linux will do well, but if you need
more hand holding for a small fee the Hypra project's U.A.S. "Universally
Accessible operating System"  is a first rate Linux Debian distribution.

Enjoy...


 

hi tom.
as my understanding,
openoffice cant use the code in libreoffice,
but libreoffice can copy openoffice codes and make benefit of some
goodnesses in openoffice.
is it true?
openoffice is more accessible in some ways like reporting descriptions
of menus which unfortunately not available in libreoffice even when
installing offline help file.

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This discussion is way over my head. I think or thought I knew that the
accessible modules were also in Libra Office that are in Open Office. i have
had more luck in Libras word processor certainly, even though the browse
and focus modes of MS Office are not supported. The one big thing it
requires is a really good say all that does not stop after each blank line.
I could care less about how this is done, but its stopping me adopting it.
I'd rather use office 2003 at the moment as like most people I find working
with Ribbons in Microsofts more recent editions, a complete nightmare for a
non visual person.
Brian

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Blindjourno wrote
> Since you all can take code from OO, can't you take basically, all of
> their accessibility information and use it in LO? I mean, I stopped
> using JAWS years ago, but I heard from other people that JAWS works with

> OO? Would that be a lot of work? Taking all of the accessibility
> information from OO because OO is very accessible, just not updated or
> even nearly as stable.

Apache OpenOffice (AOO) uses the same IAccessible2 API, but unlike
LibreOffice they left the MSAA/IAccessible API in place, so there is
marginal Assistive Technology tool support in AOO with JAWS. And, nothing
that LibreOffice would care to implement--thank you.

Before its demise WindowsEyes had support for select IA2 based
applications--but never LibreOffice or AOO.

VFO/Freedom Scientific's refusal to support accessible events
instrumented
with IA2 API has never made much sense to me personally, but their
insistence on Windows applications adopting Microsoft UI Automation (UIA)
brands them as a second rate player in the Free and Open Source Software
arena. It is not their business model--too bad if you are dependent on
them.

LibreOffice as an OpenSource and cross platform development project is
not
obliged to provide proprietary UIA bindings--an extension to "bridge" IA2
to
UIA could be developed--but we'll leave that to Freedom Scientific to
implement if they choose. We'll concentrate on making the native IA2/ATK
&
AT-SPI/NSAccessibility bridges function cross platform against
LibreOffices
internal accessibility modules.

For any JAWS user on Windows--LibreOffice is accessible at no cost,
simply
install NVDA. Alternatively, ORCA on a Linux will do well, but if you
need
more hand holding for a small fee the Hypra project's U.A.S. "Universally
Accessible operating System" is a first rate Linux Debian distribution.

Enjoy...



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