Hi all! No problem at all. I will paste my text tutorial right here in the message so you can all read it here or copy and paste it somewhere on your computer. Here is the tutorial on using Chrome! Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser By David Moore This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome. I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial, because they all work the same in Chrome. Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build. I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome. There should be a shortcut on your desktop. Section One: Launching Chrome: One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS say Chrome. However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut icon on your desktop. So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to open Chrome. The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google Chrome icon on your desktop. The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get undesirable results. Section Two: Bringing up a web site. Press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the following: www.freedomscientific.com The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly. All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome. Section Three: The Virticle Chrome menu: I will press Alt+F. The Chrome menu is open. This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down arrow through. I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu. New Tab, CTRL+T. You can press that command right from the web site you are on. New Window, CTRL+N You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here. New incognito Window. History sub menu. I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu! History, CTRL+H So, there is a key command for reading your history. You can read a few sites you were on right here. I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu. Downloads, CTRL+J There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with Chrome. Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu. I will press right arrow, to open this. I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D That command will bookmark the page you are reading. Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. I do not want that. Here is the important one. manage bookmarks The command is, CTRL+Shift+O In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome. On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up. That is all for manage bookmarks. Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings. press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their corresponding folders. Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down. Very important! Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices. Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one. To save a web site as a bookmark, Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved. I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu! I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we entered by just pressing alt. The next few are very self explanatory. The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu. I will press right arrow on this. I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S. Next, Save to desktop. This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file menu in IE. It is hidden under this more tools submenu. Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key. Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on. These are the same as add ons, in IE. I will press left arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are back to the virticle Chrome menu. The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu. If you press the left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help system, just like in other programs, so that is all I will say about help. Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in Brows mode. Section Four: Adjusting Settings and Advanced settings: Now that this web page is open, I will just down arrow down the page and we will deal with each setting. Important: I have already signed into Chrome. So now, arrow down until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter. You just enter your email address and password, I think it has to be the same email address and password that you used to set up your Google account. I am not sure about this. You do not need to sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your activity between all devices that you have Chrome on. That is the only advantage of signing in. I will continue with what I hear after you have signed in. If you do not sign in, press H until you hear Appearance. Each group of settings is a heading that you can get to by pressing H. This makes it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the group of settings you want to work with. Now, because I have signed in, this is what I hear before getting to appearance. The first thing you hear: Settings. That is the very top of the web page. Down arrow, and you hear: Main Menu Button. That will just take you back to the virticle menu we were in. If you down arrow again, you will just hear blank. Down arrow, again, and you hear: Settings again, but now, this is a heading. You can get here just by pressing H at the top of the page. If you down arrow, you hear: Search Settings. This is where you can type in a setting that you want to change. Down arrow again, and there is the edit field where you type in the setting you want to work with. Down arrow again, and you hear another heading saying people. Down arrow again, and I hear David Clickable. This is because I have already signed into Chrome. Down arrow again, and I hear my Gmail email address. Again, this is because I have already signed into Chrome to sync my settings and all of that. Down arrow again, and I hear: Edit person. This is where I could change my name. Down arrow again, and I hear: Sign Out. This is because I have already signed in to Chrome. Down arrow again, and I hear: Sync. Down arrow again, and I hear: On, Sync everything. This is a combo box, where you can choose what to sinc; I chose everything in this combo box. Again, all of this is because I have signed into Chrome already. Down arrow again, and you hear: Sync button. Down arrow again, and you hear: Manage other people clickable. Don't worry about the clickables. There is a clickable for many things, but then there is the button you enter on right after that. Down arrow again, and you hear: Manage other people button. This is what you would press enter on to set up another user. Down arrow again, and you hear: Import bookmarks and settings Clickable: Down arrow again, and you actually hear Import bookmarks and settings button. Here, you press enter and import all of your bookmarks and settings from other Browsers like IE. This is another way of doing this, because remember, We had a choice of manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the virticle menu. There is more than one place to do things in Chrome. Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for heading, to get to. Now, we have gotten to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear: themes, which I did nothing with. Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and more. Then, you hear Themes button. Do nothing with this. Next, you hear: Show home clickable. Just skip that. There are many buttons that say clickable, and then there is a button that you actually press enter on to work with it. Just work with the buttons, and skip over these vclickables. Down arrow, and you have an edit box where you can put in your home page you want to get to by pressing Alt+Home. Next, there is the home button toggle. Press the spacebar to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the home button show at the top of the Chrome Window. I have it checked. Now, there are two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a custom web address. Search Heading: We are at another heading, where you can set your search Engine. There is a combo box below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to have my searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of Bing. Next heading: Default Browser. Here, you can choose weather you want Chrome to be your default browser or not. Just leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser. Next Important heading: On Start up. Here is where you put in your URL that you want to show as soon as you start Chrome. There are three radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a specific page or pages, which is the third radio button. Under this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want to open when you start Chrome. Under this, there is a link where you can add more pages you want to show when Chrome starts up. Now, we are up to the search engin heading. This is a heading. There are headings on this settings page. I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box. The next heading, is on start up. Finally, here is where you set up your home page. There are three radio buttons here. I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages. Next, I was able to enter: www.Google.Com. That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome. Next important group of settings, the advanced settings. Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before more headings of settings will show. The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show more headings of settings. Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of settings. There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings. Privacy and security heading: Down arrow from here, and you hear: Use a web service to resolve navigation errors. You have a clickable, and a toggle. Press spacebar to toggle this on or off. Again, ignore the clickables. Now you have: Use a prodiction service to enable you in searches. I left this unchecked. Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages: I checked this with spacebar. The next three settings I just left alone. I checked the one that says: Use a web service to help with spelling. I leave manage certificates alone. Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading. We are still working with the same heading. The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button. This was available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this. Now, we get to the next heading of settings. Passwords and forms: Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome save passwords. Languages Heading: I did nothing with this. Downloads heading: This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved on your computer. Printing heading: I did nothing with this. Accessibility heading: I did nothing with this. Now, we have the System heading: Down arrow, and you hear: Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed. I have this unchecked. Next, Use hard ware excelloration when Available. I have this checked. Next, you hear: Open proxy settings button. I left this alone. Last Heading LOL! Reset. Here, you can reset all settings back to their origional. We are done with Settings. Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site. This settings web page, opens in another tab. That is it for settings. Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see these, unless you press enter to expand these. Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where we were with the settings. You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings choice. I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center to get a lot of help using Chrome. To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL. Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and Watching movies, and so on. For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE. Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact same. This is the end of the tutorial. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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From: Monte SingleSent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:25 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.ioSubject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now Hi David, Please post your tutorial again; especially for those of us who are not always paying attention to all details. Thanks, Monte From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore Sent: May-06-18 4:21 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now Hi all! I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years. I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true. If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list. I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is. Just read works great for just reading an article on the page. CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up. Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing. Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome! David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: juan gonzalez Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old version due to navigational sounds. Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are. On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times. Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back. To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared. This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful. If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider. You may have other or different considerations as well. The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything. I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine. I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing. The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material. The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings. I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu. But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way: It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times. I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary. There's a very useful settings search feature in settings. One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works. It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done. If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history. Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox. If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use. and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to. Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing. So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l. I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful. If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares. Gene
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Hi, Excellent tutorial. The only thing it doesn’t touch on is how you access the toolbar. Someone installed the High Contrast accessibility extension today and asked me how to enable/disable it, or how to change the colour invertion. According to help, you have to click it from the toolbar, but it seems that JAWS doesn’t see it. Any ideas please? All the best Steve
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore Sent: 06 May 2018 23:29 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now Hi all! No problem at all. I will paste my text tutorial right here in the message so you can all read it here or copy and paste it somewhere on your computer. Here is the tutorial on using Chrome! Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser By David Moore This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome. I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial, because they all work the same in Chrome. Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build. I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome. There should be a shortcut on your desktop. Section One: Launching Chrome: One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS say Chrome. However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut icon on your desktop. So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to open Chrome. The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google Chrome icon on your desktop. The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get undesirable results. Section Two: Bringing up a web site. Press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the following: www.freedomscientific.com The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly. All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome. Section Three: The Virticle Chrome menu: I will press Alt+F. The Chrome menu is open. This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down arrow through. I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu. New Tab, CTRL+T. You can press that command right from the web site you are on. New Window, CTRL+N You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here. New incognito Window. History sub menu. I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu! History, CTRL+H So, there is a key command for reading your history. You can read a few sites you were on right here. I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu. Downloads, CTRL+J There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with Chrome. Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu. I will press right arrow, to open this. I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D That command will bookmark the page you are reading. Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. I do not want that. Here is the important one. manage bookmarks The command is, CTRL+Shift+O In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome. On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up. That is all for manage bookmarks. Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings. press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their corresponding folders. Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down. Very important! Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices. Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one. To save a web site as a bookmark, Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved. I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu! I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we entered by just pressing alt. The next few are very self explanatory. The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu. I will press right arrow on this. I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S. Next, Save to desktop. This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file menu in IE. It is hidden under this more tools submenu. Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key. Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on. These are the same as add ons, in IE. I will press left arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are back to the virticle Chrome menu. The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu. If you press the left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help system, just like in other programs, so that is all I will say about help. Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in Brows mode. Section Four: Adjusting Settings and Advanced settings: Now that this web page is open, I will just down arrow down the page and we will deal with each setting. Important: I have already signed into Chrome. So now, arrow down until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter. You just enter your email address and password, I think it has to be the same email address and password that you used to set up your Google account. I am not sure about this. You do not need to sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your activity between all devices that you have Chrome on. That is the only advantage of signing in. I will continue with what I hear after you have signed in. If you do not sign in, press H until you hear Appearance. Each group of settings is a heading that you can get to by pressing H. This makes it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the group of settings you want to work with. Now, because I have signed in, this is what I hear before getting to appearance. The first thing you hear: Settings. That is the very top of the web page. Down arrow, and you hear: Main Menu Button. That will just take you back to the virticle menu we were in. If you down arrow again, you will just hear blank. Down arrow, again, and you hear: Settings again, but now, this is a heading. You can get here just by pressing H at the top of the page. If you down arrow, you hear: Search Settings. This is where you can type in a setting that you want to change. Down arrow again, and there is the edit field where you type in the setting you want to work with. Down arrow again, and you hear another heading saying people. Down arrow again, and I hear David Clickable. This is because I have already signed into Chrome. Down arrow again, and I hear my Gmail email address. Again, this is because I have already signed into Chrome to sync my settings and all of that. Down arrow again, and I hear: Edit person. This is where I could change my name. Down arrow again, and I hear: Sign Out. This is because I have already signed in to Chrome. Down arrow again, and I hear: Sync. Down arrow again, and I hear: On, Sync everything. This is a combo box, where you can choose what to sinc; I chose everything in this combo box. Again, all of this is because I have signed into Chrome already. Down arrow again, and you hear: Sync button. Down arrow again, and you hear: Manage other people clickable. Don't worry about the clickables. There is a clickable for many things, but then there is the button you enter on right after that. Down arrow again, and you hear: Manage other people button. This is what you would press enter on to set up another user. Down arrow again, and you hear: Import bookmarks and settings Clickable: Down arrow again, and you actually hear Import bookmarks and settings button. Here, you press enter and import all of your bookmarks and settings from other Browsers like IE. This is another way of doing this, because remember, We had a choice of manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the virticle menu. There is more than one place to do things in Chrome. Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for heading, to get to. Now, we have gotten to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear: themes, which I did nothing with. Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and more. Then, you hear Themes button. Do nothing with this. Next, you hear: Show home clickable. Just skip that. There are many buttons that say clickable, and then there is a button that you actually press enter on to work with it. Just work with the buttons, and skip over these vclickables. Down arrow, and you have an edit box where you can put in your home page you want to get to by pressing Alt+Home. Next, there is the home button toggle. Press the spacebar to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the home button show at the top of the Chrome Window. I have it checked. Now, there are two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a custom web address. Search Heading: We are at another heading, where you can set your search Engine. There is a combo box below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to have my searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of Bing. Next heading: Default Browser. Here, you can choose weather you want Chrome to be your default browser or not. Just leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser. Next Important heading: On Start up. Here is where you put in your URL that you want to show as soon as you start Chrome. There are three radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a specific page or pages, which is the third radio button. Under this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want to open when you start Chrome. Under this, there is a link where you can add more pages you want to show when Chrome starts up. Now, we are up to the search engin heading. This is a heading. There are headings on this settings page. I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box. The next heading, is on start up. Finally, here is where you set up your home page. There are three radio buttons here. I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages. Next, I was able to enter: www.Google.Com. That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome. Next important group of settings, the advanced settings. Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before more headings of settings will show. The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show more headings of settings. Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of settings. There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings. Privacy and security heading: Down arrow from here, and you hear: Use a web service to resolve navigation errors. You have a clickable, and a toggle. Press spacebar to toggle this on or off. Again, ignore the clickables. Now you have: Use a prodiction service to enable you in searches. I left this unchecked. Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages: I checked this with spacebar. The next three settings I just left alone. I checked the one that says: Use a web service to help with spelling. I leave manage certificates alone. Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading. We are still working with the same heading. The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button. This was available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this. Now, we get to the next heading of settings. Passwords and forms: Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome save passwords. Languages Heading: I did nothing with this. Downloads heading: This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved on your computer. Printing heading: I did nothing with this. Accessibility heading: I did nothing with this. Now, we have the System heading: Down arrow, and you hear: Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed. I have this unchecked. Next, Use hard ware excelloration when Available. I have this checked. Next, you hear: Open proxy settings button. I left this alone. Last Heading LOL! Reset. Here, you can reset all settings back to their origional. We are done with Settings. Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site. This settings web page, opens in another tab. That is it for settings. Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see these, unless you press enter to expand these. Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where we were with the settings. You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings choice. I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center to get a lot of help using Chrome. To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL. Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and Watching movies, and so on. For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE. Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact same. This is the end of the tutorial. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Monte Single Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:25 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now Hi David, Please post your tutorial again; especially for those of us who are not always paying attention to all details. Thanks, Monte From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore Sent: May-06-18 4:21 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now Hi all! I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years. I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true. If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list. I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is. Just read works great for just reading an article on the page. CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up. Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing. Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome! David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: juan gonzalez Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old version due to navigational sounds. Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are. On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times. Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back. To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared. This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful. If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider. You may have other or different considerations as well. The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything. I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine. I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing. The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material. The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings. I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu. But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way: It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times. I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary. There's a very useful settings search feature in settings. One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works. It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done. If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history. Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox. If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use. and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to. Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing. So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l. I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful. If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares. Gene
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: 08 May 2018 19:19 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now Hi, Excellent tutorial. The only thing it doesn’t touch on is how you access the toolbar. Someone installed the High Contrast accessibility extension today and asked me how to enable/disable it, or how to change the colour invertion. According to help, you have to click it from the toolbar, but it seems that JAWS doesn’t see it. Any ideas please? All the best Steve From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore Sent: 06 May 2018 23:29 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now Hi all! No problem at all. I will paste my text tutorial right here in the message so you can all read it here or copy and paste it somewhere on your computer. Here is the tutorial on using Chrome! Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser By David Moore This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome. I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial, because they all work the same in Chrome. Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build. I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome. There should be a shortcut on your desktop. Section One: Launching Chrome: One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS say Chrome. However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut icon on your desktop. So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to open Chrome. The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google Chrome icon on your desktop. The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get undesirable results. Section Two: Bringing up a web site. Press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the following: www.freedomscientific.com The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly. All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome. Section Three: The Virticle Chrome menu: I will press Alt+F. The Chrome menu is open. This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down arrow through. I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu. New Tab, CTRL+T. You can press that command right from the web site you are on. New Window, CTRL+N You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here. New incognito Window. History sub menu. I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu! History, CTRL+H So, there is a key command for reading your history. You can read a few sites you were on right here. I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu. Downloads, CTRL+J There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with Chrome. Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu. I will press right arrow, to open this. I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D That command will bookmark the page you are reading. Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. I do not want that. Here is the important one. manage bookmarks The command is, CTRL+Shift+O In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome. On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up. That is all for manage bookmarks. Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings. press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their corresponding folders. Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down. Very important! Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices. Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one. To save a web site as a bookmark, Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved. I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu! I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we entered by just pressing alt. The next few are very self explanatory. The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu. I will press right arrow on this. I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S. Next, Save to desktop. This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file menu in IE. It is hidden under this more tools submenu. Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key. Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on. These are the same as add ons, in IE. I will press left arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are back to the virticle Chrome menu. The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu. If you press the left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help system, just like in other programs, so that is all I will say about help. Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in Brows mode. Section Four: Adjusting Settings and Advanced settings: Now that this web page is open, I will just down arrow down the page and we will deal with each setting. Important: I have already signed into Chrome. So now, arrow down until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter. You just enter your email address and password, I think it has to be the same email address and password that you used to set up your Google account. I am not sure about this. You do not need to sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your activity between all devices that you have Chrome on. That is the only advantage of signing in. I will continue with what I hear after you have signed in. If you do not sign in, press H until you hear Appearance. Each group of settings is a heading that you can get to by pressing H. This makes it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the group of settings you want to work with. Now, because I have signed in, this is what I hear before getting to appearance. The first thing you hear: Settings. That is the very top of the web page. Down arrow, and you hear: Main Menu Button. That will just take you back to the virticle menu we were in. If you down arrow again, you will just hear blank. Down arrow, again, and you hear: Settings again, but now, this is a heading. You can get here just by pressing H at the top of the page. If you down arrow, you hear: Search Settings. This is where you can type in a setting that you want to change. Down arrow again, and there is the edit field where you type in the setting you want to work with. Down arrow again, and you hear another heading saying people. Down arrow again, and I hear David Clickable. This is because I have already signed into Chrome. Down arrow again, and I hear my Gmail email address. Again, this is because I have already signed into Chrome to sync my settings and all of that. Down arrow again, and I hear: Edit person. This is where I could change my name. Down arrow again, and I hear: Sign Out. This is because I have already signed in to Chrome. Down arrow again, and I hear: Sync. Down arrow again, and I hear: On, Sync everything. This is a combo box, where you can choose what to sinc; I chose everything in this combo box. Again, all of this is because I have signed into Chrome already. Down arrow again, and you hear: Sync button. Down arrow again, and you hear: Manage other people clickable. Don't worry about the clickables. There is a clickable for many things, but then there is the button you enter on right after that. Down arrow again, and you hear: Manage other people button. This is what you would press enter on to set up another user. Down arrow again, and you hear: Import bookmarks and settings Clickable: Down arrow again, and you actually hear Import bookmarks and settings button. Here, you press enter and import all of your bookmarks and settings from other Browsers like IE. This is another way of doing this, because remember, We had a choice of manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the virticle menu. There is more than one place to do things in Chrome. Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for heading, to get to. Now, we have gotten to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear: themes, which I did nothing with. Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and more. Then, you hear Themes button. Do nothing with this. Next, you hear: Show home clickable. Just skip that. There are many buttons that say clickable, and then there is a button that you actually press enter on to work with it. Just work with the buttons, and skip over these vclickables. Down arrow, and you have an edit box where you can put in your home page you want to get to by pressing Alt+Home. Next, there is the home button toggle. Press the spacebar to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the home button show at the top of the Chrome Window. I have it checked. Now, there are two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a custom web address. Search Heading: We are at another heading, where you can set your search Engine. There is a combo box below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to have my searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of Bing. Next heading: Default Browser. Here, you can choose weather you want Chrome to be your default browser or not. Just leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser. Next Important heading: On Start up. Here is where you put in your URL that you want to show as soon as you start Chrome. There are three radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a specific page or pages, which is the third radio button. Under this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want to open when you start Chrome. Under this, there is a link where you can add more pages you want to show when Chrome starts up. Now, we are up to the search engin heading. This is a heading. There are headings on this settings page. I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box. The next heading, is on start up. Finally, here is where you set up your home page. There are three radio buttons here. I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages. Next, I was able to enter: www.Google.Com. That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome. Next important group of settings, the advanced settings. Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before more headings of settings will show. The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show more headings of settings. Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of settings. There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings. Privacy and security heading: Down arrow from here, and you hear: Use a web service to resolve navigation errors. You have a clickable, and a toggle. Press spacebar to toggle this on or off. Again, ignore the clickables. Now you have: Use a prodiction service to enable you in searches. I left this unchecked. Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages: I checked this with spacebar. The next three settings I just left alone. I checked the one that says: Use a web service to help with spelling. I leave manage certificates alone. Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading. We are still working with the same heading. The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button. This was available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this. Now, we get to the next heading of settings. Passwords and forms: Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome save passwords. Languages Heading: I did nothing with this. Downloads heading: This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved on your computer. Printing heading: I did nothing with this. Accessibility heading: I did nothing with this. Now, we have the System heading: Down arrow, and you hear: Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed. I have this unchecked. Next, Use hard ware excelloration when Available. I have this checked. Next, you hear: Open proxy settings button. I left this alone. Last Heading LOL! Reset. Here, you can reset all settings back to their origional. We are done with Settings. Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site. This settings web page, opens in another tab. That is it for settings. Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see these, unless you press enter to expand these. Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where we were with the settings. You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings choice. I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center to get a lot of help using Chrome. To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL. Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and Watching movies, and so on. For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE. Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact same. This is the end of the tutorial. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Monte Single Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:25 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now Hi David, Please post your tutorial again; especially for those of us who are not always paying attention to all details. Thanks, Monte From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore Sent: May-06-18 4:21 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now Hi all! I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years. I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true. If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list. I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is. Just read works great for just reading an article on the page. CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up. Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing. Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome! David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: juan gonzalez Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old version due to navigational sounds. Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are. On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times. Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back. To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared. This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful. If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider. You may have other or different considerations as well. The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything. I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine. I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing. The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material. The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings. I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu. But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way: It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times. I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary. There's a very useful settings search feature in settings. One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works. It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done. If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history. Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox. If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use. and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to. Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing. So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l. I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful. If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares. Gene
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Hi, For the curious, you get to the toolbar by pressing Alt+Shift+T. Focus is placed on the first item, then you can arrow left and right through the toolbars. All the best Steve
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: 08 May 2018 19:37 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now Sorry about this message, I meant NVDA doesn’t see the toolbar, but neither does JAWS. All the best Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: 08 May 2018 19:19 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now Hi, Excellent tutorial. The only thing it doesn’t touch on is how you access the toolbar. Someone installed the High Contrast accessibility extension today and asked me how to enable/disable it, or how to change the colour invertion. According to help, you have to click it from the toolbar, but it seems that JAWS doesn’t see it. Any ideas please? All the best Steve From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore Sent: 06 May 2018 23:29 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now Hi all! No problem at all. I will paste my text tutorial right here in the message so you can all read it here or copy and paste it somewhere on your computer. Here is the tutorial on using Chrome! Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser By David Moore This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome. I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial, because they all work the same in Chrome. Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build. I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome. There should be a shortcut on your desktop. Section One: Launching Chrome: One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS say Chrome. However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut icon on your desktop. So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to open Chrome. The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google Chrome icon on your desktop. The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get undesirable results. Section Two: Bringing up a web site. Press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the following: www.freedomscientific.com The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly. All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome. Section Three: The Virticle Chrome menu: I will press Alt+F. The Chrome menu is open. This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down arrow through. I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu. New Tab, CTRL+T. You can press that command right from the web site you are on. New Window, CTRL+N You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here. New incognito Window. History sub menu. I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu! History, CTRL+H So, there is a key command for reading your history. You can read a few sites you were on right here. I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu. Downloads, CTRL+J There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with Chrome. Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu. I will press right arrow, to open this. I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D That command will bookmark the page you are reading. Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. I do not want that. Here is the important one. manage bookmarks The command is, CTRL+Shift+O In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome. On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up. That is all for manage bookmarks. Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings. press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their corresponding folders. Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down. Very important! Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices. Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one. To save a web site as a bookmark, Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved. I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu! I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we entered by just pressing alt. The next few are very self explanatory. The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu. I will press right arrow on this. I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S. Next, Save to desktop. This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file menu in IE. It is hidden under this more tools submenu. Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key. Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on. These are the same as add ons, in IE. I will press left arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are back to the virticle Chrome menu. The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu. If you press the left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help system, just like in other programs, so that is all I will say about help. Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in Brows mode. Section Four: Adjusting Settings and Advanced settings: Now that this web page is open, I will just down arrow down the page and we will deal with each setting. Important: I have already signed into Chrome. So now, arrow down until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter. You just enter your email address and password, I think it has to be the same email address and password that you used to set up your Google account. I am not sure about this. You do not need to sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your activity between all devices that you have Chrome on. That is the only advantage of signing in. I will continue with what I hear after you have signed in. If you do not sign in, press H until you hear Appearance. Each group of settings is a heading that you can get to by pressing H. This makes it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the group of settings you want to work with. Now, because I have signed in, this is what I hear before getting to appearance. The first thing you hear: Settings. That is the very top of the web page. Down arrow, and you hear: Main Menu Button. That will just take you back to the virticle menu we were in. If you down arrow again, you will just hear blank. Down arrow, again, and you hear: Settings again, but now, this is a heading. You can get here just by pressing H at the top of the page. If you down arrow, you hear: Search Settings. This is where you can type in a setting that you want to change. Down arrow again, and there is the edit field where you type in the setting you want to work with. Down arrow again, and you hear another heading saying people. Down arrow again, and I hear David Clickable. This is because I have already signed into Chrome. Down arrow again, and I hear my Gmail email address. Again, this is because I have already signed into Chrome to sync my settings and all of that. Down arrow again, and I hear: Edit person. This is where I could change my name. Down arrow again, and I hear: Sign Out. This is because I have already signed in to Chrome. Down arrow again, and I hear: Sync. Down arrow again, and I hear: On, Sync everything. This is a combo box, where you can choose what to sinc; I chose everything in this combo box. Again, all of this is because I have signed into Chrome already. Down arrow again, and you hear: Sync button. Down arrow again, and you hear: Manage other people clickable. Don't worry about the clickables. There is a clickable for many things, but then there is the button you enter on right after that. Down arrow again, and you hear: Manage other people button. This is what you would press enter on to set up another user. Down arrow again, and you hear: Import bookmarks and settings Clickable: Down arrow again, and you actually hear Import bookmarks and settings button. Here, you press enter and import all of your bookmarks and settings from other Browsers like IE. This is another way of doing this, because remember, We had a choice of manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the virticle menu. There is more than one place to do things in Chrome. Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for heading, to get to. Now, we have gotten to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear: themes, which I did nothing with. Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and more. Then, you hear Themes button. Do nothing with this. Next, you hear: Show home clickable. Just skip that. There are many buttons that say clickable, and then there is a button that you actually press enter on to work with it. Just work with the buttons, and skip over these vclickables. Down arrow, and you have an edit box where you can put in your home page you want to get to by pressing Alt+Home. Next, there is the home button toggle. Press the spacebar to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the home button show at the top of the Chrome Window. I have it checked. Now, there are two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a custom web address. Search Heading: We are at another heading, where you can set your search Engine. There is a combo box below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to have my searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of Bing. Next heading: Default Browser. Here, you can choose weather you want Chrome to be your default browser or not. Just leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser. Next Important heading: On Start up. Here is where you put in your URL that you want to show as soon as you start Chrome. There are three radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a specific page or pages, which is the third radio button. Under this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want to open when you start Chrome. Under this, there is a link where you can add more pages you want to show when Chrome starts up. Now, we are up to the search engin heading. This is a heading. There are headings on this settings page. I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box. The next heading, is on start up. Finally, here is where you set up your home page. There are three radio buttons here. I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages. Next, I was able to enter: www.Google.Com. That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome. Next important group of settings, the advanced settings. Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before more headings of settings will show. The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show more headings of settings. Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of settings. There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings. Privacy and security heading: Down arrow from here, and you hear: Use a web service to resolve navigation errors. You have a clickable, and a toggle. Press spacebar to toggle this on or off. Again, ignore the clickables. Now you have: Use a prodiction service to enable you in searches. I left this unchecked. Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages: I checked this with spacebar. The next three settings I just left alone. I checked the one that says: Use a web service to help with spelling. I leave manage certificates alone. Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading. We are still working with the same heading. The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button. This was available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this. Now, we get to the next heading of settings. Passwords and forms: Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome save passwords. Languages Heading: I did nothing with this. Downloads heading: This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved on your computer. Printing heading: I did nothing with this. Accessibility heading: I did nothing with this. Now, we have the System heading: Down arrow, and you hear: Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed. I have this unchecked. Next, Use hard ware excelloration when Available. I have this checked. Next, you hear: Open proxy settings button. I left this alone. Last Heading LOL! Reset. Here, you can reset all settings back to their origional. We are done with Settings. Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site. This settings web page, opens in another tab. That is it for settings. Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see these, unless you press enter to expand these. Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where we were with the settings. You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings choice. I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center to get a lot of help using Chrome. To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL. Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and Watching movies, and so on. For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE. Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact same. This is the end of the tutorial. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Monte Single Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:25 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now Hi David, Please post your tutorial again; especially for those of us who are not always paying attention to all details. Thanks, Monte From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore Sent: May-06-18 4:21 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now Hi all! I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years. I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true. If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list. I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is. Just read works great for just reading an article on the page. CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up. Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing. Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome! David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: juan gonzalez Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old version due to navigational sounds. Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are. On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times. Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back. To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared. This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful. If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider. You may have other or different considerations as well. The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything. I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine. I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing. The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material. The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings. I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu. But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way: It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times. I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary. There's a very useful settings search feature in settings. One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works. It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done. If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history. Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox. If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use. and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to. Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing. So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l. I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful. If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares. Gene
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Rich De Steno <ironrock@...>
I notice Chrome does not have "first letter navigation" for the
bookmarks. I had to arrow down until I found the one I wanted.
Also, when I press Enter on a bookmark, it does not activate. I
had to go into the applications key to activate the option "open
in new window".
On 5/8/2018 2:43 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,
For
the curious, you get to the toolbar by pressing
Alt+Shift+T. Focus is placed on the first item, then you
can arrow left and right through the toolbars.
All
the best
Steve
Sorry
about this message, I meant NVDA doesn’t see the toolbar,
but neither does JAWS.
All
the best
Steve
Hi,
Excellent
tutorial.
The
only thing it doesn’t touch on is how you access the
toolbar. Someone installed the High Contrast accessibility
extension today and asked me how to enable/disable it, or
how to change the colour invertion. According to help, you
have to click it from the toolbar, but it seems that JAWS
doesn’t see it.
Any
ideas please?
All
the best
Steve
Hi all!
No problem at all.
I will paste my text
tutorial right here in the message so you can all read it
here or copy and paste it somewhere on your computer. Here
is the tutorial on using Chrome!
Tutorial for Using the
Google Chrome Browser
By David Moore
This tutorial will be
done with the latest update of Chrome.
I will also use JAWS 18,
JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial, because they
all work the same in Chrome.
Finally, I will use
Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.
I will assume that you
have downloaded and installed Chrome.
There should be a
shortcut on your desktop.
Section One:
Launching Chrome:
One way to Launch
Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and type
Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you
hear JAWS say Chrome.
However, since you have
already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut icon on
your desktop.
So next, find the
shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to open
Chrome.
The short cut will
actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google
Chrome icon on your desktop.
The first very important
step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the window.
Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you
will get undesirable results.
Section Two:
Bringing up a web site.
Press CTRL+L or Alt+D
and type the following:
www.freedomscientific.com
The Freedom Scientific
web site comes up very quickly.
All navigation commands
like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo box, and
so on all work just the same in Chrome.
Section Three:
The Virticle Chrome
menu:
I will press Alt+F.
The Chrome menu is open.
This is a very large
virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down arrow
through.
I will press insert+up
arrow to hear the first option in this menu.
New Tab, CTRL+T.
You can press that
command right from the web site you are on.
New Window, CTRL+N
You can press these
commands right from your web page, instead of coming here.
New incognito Window.
History sub menu.
I will press right arrow
here to see what is in this sub menu!
History, CTRL+H
So, there is a key
command for reading your history.
You can read a few sites
you were on right here.
I will press left arrow
to close this history sub menu.
Downloads, CTRL+J
There is the command for
opening your downloads you have downloaded with Chrome.
Next, the important
Bookmarks sub menu.
I will press right
arrow, to open this.
I hear, bookmark this
page, CTRL+D
That command will
bookmark the page you are reading.
Next down arrow, says
show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B
That command, will show
your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. I do
not want that.
Here is the important
one.
manage bookmarks
The command is,
CTRL+Shift+O
In here, you can
organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you
have imported from different browsers, and very importantly,
you can download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of
your bookmarks in Chrome.
On your computer, you
can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a page
will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have
saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of
your bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them
up.
That is all for manage
bookmarks.
Next, I hear import
bookmarks and settings.
press enter on this, and
you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and
Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their
corresponding folders.
Now, I hear all of my
saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.
Very important!
Sometimes, when I open
that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I
mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved
bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times,
and it gets me to these choices.
Keep in mind, that many
of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key commands,
so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at
all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow
through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one.
To save a web site as a
bookmark,
Just press CTRL+D and
press enter, and your bookmark is saved.
I will now press left
arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu!
I will continue to down
arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we entered by
just pressing alt.
The next few are very
self explanatory.
The next one I will
mension, is the more tools submenu.
I will press right arrow
on this.
I hear Save Page as, and
the command, CTRL+S.
Next, Save to desktop.
This allows you to save
the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This is how
you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file
menu in IE.
It is hidden under this
more tools submenu.
Clear Browsing data, and
there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key.
Extentions, In here, you
can add extentions, delete extentions and so on.
These are the same as
add ons, in IE.
I will press left arrow,
to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are back to the
virticle Chrome menu.
The last two that I will
mention, are settings, and the help sub menu.
If you press the left
arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help system,
just like in other programs, so that is all I will say about
help.
Now, we will press enter
on settings, and a web like page will open where the virtual
cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in Brows
mode.
Section Four:
Adjusting Settings and
Advanced settings:
Now that this web page
is open, I will just down arrow down the page and we will
deal with each setting.
Important:
I have already signed
into Chrome.
So now, arrow down until
you hear sign into Chrome and press enter.
You just enter your
email address and password, I think it has to be the same
email address and password that you used to set up your
Google account.
I am not sure about
this.
You do not need to sign
into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your activity
between all devices that you have Chrome on. That is the
only advantage of signing in.
I will continue with
what I hear after you have signed in.
If you do not sign in,
press H until you hear Appearance.
Each group of settings
is a heading that you can get to by pressing H. This makes
it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the
group of settings you want to work with.
Now, because I have
signed in, this is what I hear before getting to appearance.
The first thing you
hear:
Settings.
That is the very top of
the web page.
Down arrow, and you
hear:
Main Menu Button.
That will just take you
back to the virticle menu we were in.
If you down arrow again,
you will just hear blank.
Down arrow, again, and
you hear:
Settings again, but now,
this is a heading. You can get here just by pressing H at
the top of the page.
If you down arrow, you
hear:
Search Settings.
This is where you can
type in a setting that you want to change.
Down arrow again, and
there is the edit field where you type in the setting you
want to work with.
Down arrow again, and
you hear another heading saying people.
Down arrow again, and I
hear David Clickable.
This is because I have
already signed into Chrome.
Down arrow again, and I
hear my Gmail email address.
Again, this is because I
have already signed into Chrome to sync my settings and all
of that.
Down arrow again, and I
hear:
Edit person.
This is where I could
change my name.
Down arrow again, and I
hear:
Sign Out.
This is because I have
already signed in to Chrome.
Down arrow again, and I
hear:
Sync.
Down arrow again, and I
hear:
On, Sync everything.
This is a combo box,
where you can choose what to sinc; I chose everything in
this combo box.
Again, all of this is
because I have signed into Chrome already.
Down arrow again, and
you hear:
Sync button.
Down arrow again, and
you hear:
Manage other people
clickable.
Don't worry about the
clickables. There is a clickable for many things, but then
there is the button you enter on right after that.
Down arrow again, and
you hear:
Manage other people
button.
This is what you would
press enter on to set up another user.
Down arrow again, and
you hear:
Import bookmarks and
settings Clickable:
Down arrow again, and
you actually hear
Import bookmarks and
settings button.
Here, you press enter
and import all of your bookmarks and settings from other
Browsers like IE.
This is another way of
doing this, because remember,
We had a choice of
manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the virticle
menu.
There is more than one
place to do things in Chrome.
Now, we have a series of
headings, that you can just press H for heading, to get to.
Now, we have gotten to
the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear:
themes, which I did
nothing with.
Next, you can open the
Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and
more.
Then, you hear Themes
button.
Do nothing with this.
Next, you hear:
Show home clickable.
Just skip that.
There are many buttons
that say clickable, and then there is a button that you
actually press enter on to work with it.
Just work with the
buttons, and skip over these vclickables.
Down arrow, and you have
an edit box where you can put in your home page you want to
get to by pressing Alt+Home.
Next, there is the home
button toggle.
Press the spacebar to
turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the home
button show at the top of the Chrome Window.
I have it checked.
Now, there are two radio
buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a custom web
address.
Search Heading:
We are at another
heading, where you can set your search Engine.
There is a combo box
below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to have my
searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of
Bing.
Next heading:
Default Browser.
Here, you can choose
weather you want Chrome to be your default browser or not.
Just leave this alone if
you do not want Chrome to be your default browser.
Next Important heading:
On Start up.
Here is where you put in
your URL that you want to show as soon as you start Chrome.
There are three radio
buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a specific
page or pages, which is the third radio button.
Under this, you can type
in the URL of the web site that you want to open when you
start Chrome.
Under this, there is a
link where you can add more pages you want to show when
Chrome starts up.
Now, we are up to the
search engin heading.
This is a heading.
There are headings on
this settings page.
I chose to use Google
search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box.
The next heading, is on
start up.
Finally, here is where
you set up your home page.
There are three radio
buttons here.
I chose the third one,
to open a selected page or selected pages.
Next, I was able to
enter:
www.Google.Com.
That is my home page
that will open each time I start Chrome.
Next important group of
settings, the advanced settings.
Now, you have to press
enter on the advanced settings button before more headings
of settings will show.
The Advanced settings
are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show more
headings of settings.
Now that these advanced
settings are open, we get to the next heading of settings.
There is much more we
can customize under the advanced settings.
Privacy and security
heading:
Down arrow from here,
and you hear:
Use a web service to
resolve navigation errors.
You have a clickable,
and a toggle.
Press spacebar to toggle
this on or off.
Again, ignore the
clickables.
Now you have:
Use a prodiction service
to enable you in searches.
I left this unchecked.
Next, you have a setting
to speed up the loading of web pages:
I checked this with
spacebar.
The next three settings
I just left alone.
I checked the one that
says:
Use a web service to
help with spelling.
I leave manage
certificates alone.
Next, you have content
settings, but this is not a new heading.
We are still working
with the same heading.
The only thing of
interest here, is the clear history button.
This was available in
the virtical menu, so don't worry about this.
Now, we get to the next
heading of settings.
Passwords and forms:
Under this heading, just
make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome save
passwords.
Languages Heading:
I did nothing with this.
Downloads heading:
This is where you choose
where you want your downloads to be saved on your computer.
Printing heading:
I did nothing with this.
Accessibility heading:
I did nothing with this.
Now, we have the System
heading:
Down arrow, and you
hear:
Continue running
background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed.
I have this unchecked.
Next,
Use hard ware
excelloration when Available.
I have this checked.
Next, you hear:
Open proxy settings
button.
I left this alone.
Last Heading LOL!
Reset.
Here, you can reset all
settings back to their origional.
We are done with
Settings.
Now, just press CTRL+F4
to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site.
This settings web page,
opens in another tab.
That is it for settings.
Notice, we made a lot of
changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see these,
unless you press enter to expand these.
Now, press the Alt key
again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where we
were with the settings.
You see exit, up arrow
and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings
choice.
I press right arrow on
this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center to
get a lot of help using Chrome.
To open a web site, just
press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL.
Chrome for me, is so
much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and
Watching movies, and so on.
For me, Chrome opens
large news sites very quickly compared to IE.
Lastly, All JAWS and
NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example,
you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the
elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact same.
This is the end of the
tutorial.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind
about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi
David,
Please
post your tutorial again; especially for those of us who
are not always paying attention to all details.
Thanks,
Monte
Hi all!
I have been telling
people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.
I am so happy that all
of you are finding it to be true.
If anyone needs my text
tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through
all settings, I will paste it on the list.
I have done this around
ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out
for the first time, just how great Chrome is.
Just read works great
for just reading an article on the page.
CTRL+J allows you to
hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows
you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them
in different folders and back them up.
Chrome is great with
Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other
than just simple browsing.
Have a great one, and I
am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!
David Moore
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From: juan gonzalez
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind
about Chrome, I like it muchmore now
I use the add on called
sound on for navigational sounds.
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2018 9:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] I've
largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more
now
Would anyone know if
Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current
firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when
a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks
in the old version due to navigational sounds.
Until i find a browser
with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser
over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that
some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox
and tell you so when you have things like modal windows
whatever they are.
On XP to make Firefox
perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as
after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my
guess is that the code is made for multi processor devices,
not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find
that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.
Things are no pushing
ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the
message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you
can come back.
To me this is a weird
thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect
pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their
business.
Brian
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Sent: Sunday, May 06,
2018 10:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] I've
largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more
now
I may have sent messages
in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for
Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind
and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox
continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I
consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I
haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other
uses. I will therefore only address general browsing and
the interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects
I haven't compared.
This is a long message,
a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface.
I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.
If you try Chrome and
find it superior for general browsing, you may still not
want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various
considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what
you may want to consider. You may have other or different
considerations as well.
The reason I say Chrome
is better for general browsing is because it loads pages
faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the
difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable
difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed
on a fast machine. I compared them on a slow machine
running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected
that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a
noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow.
But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.
I recently decided to
compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since
many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is
faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on
my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the results would
have been on a fast XP machine.
I haven't used Chrome
much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's
better for general browsing.
The Chrome interface is
different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't
difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely
want a tutorial or some instructional material. If you are
good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such
material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit
in early learning by using material.
The main things to know
in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome
shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history
and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that
is, hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and
there are also items that open like web pages such as
settings.
I don't recall if there
are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.
But if you work with
settings, you need to know that the settings interface
doesn't work quite properly in the following way:
It's a web page-like
interface but there some controls that don't work as they
should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I
couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what
JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms mode, and
activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the button
because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated
with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.
I seem to recall that in
another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate
something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is
the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that
was necessary.
There's a very useful
settings search feature in settings.
One of my main
objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks
interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as
Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks
appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned from
someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or
less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't
played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or
reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play with
it more before saying just how well it works. It' appears
to work well from the very little testing I've done. If you
are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you
want to find such as york times or new york times and you
can up and down arrow through results. Some of them will be
search results using a search engine but the top results in
the list should be from book marks and history. Try reading
the current line after typing to see if that contains the
first result. I haven't played with the feature more than a
little and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would
eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In
other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy
to use in Chrome as in Firefox.
If you use Firefox
extensions that you consider important and use them a lot,
that may be a consideration in which browser you want to
use. and then, there's just convenience of not learning a
new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox.
You, of course, can determine questions like that. It's
nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the
importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you
haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.
Browsing is either
identical or nearly identical between the browsers because
they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which
is the JAWS name for the same thing.
So you can compare by
installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web
sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in
Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are
automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check.
If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute
control l.
I hope those who are
interested in this subject find these comments useful.
If people are curious or
dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want
to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know
how Edge compares.
Gene
--
Rich De Steno
|
|
Interesting, when I cursor through the bookmarks in Chrome
on my system it works and activates the bookmark when I press
enter on one of them. I haven't had a problem with this issue
at all.
Dan Beaver
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 5/8/2018 7:45 PM, Rich De Steno
wrote:
I notice Chrome does not have "first letter navigation" for the
bookmarks. I had to arrow down until I found the one I wanted.
Also, when I press Enter on a bookmark, it does not activate. I
had to go into the applications key to activate the option "open
in new window".
On 5/8/2018 2:43 PM, Steve Nutt
wrote:
Hi,
For the curious, you get to the
toolbar by pressing Alt+Shift+T. Focus is placed on the
first item, then you can arrow left and right through the
toolbars.
All the best
Steve
Sorry about this message, I meant
NVDA doesn’t see the toolbar, but neither does JAWS.
All the best
Steve
Hi,
Excellent tutorial.
The only thing it doesn’t touch on
is how you access the toolbar. Someone installed the High
Contrast accessibility extension today and asked me how to
enable/disable it, or how to change the colour invertion.
According to help, you have to click it from the toolbar,
but it seems that JAWS doesn’t see it.
Any ideas please?
All the best
Steve
Hi all!
No problem at all.
I will paste my text
tutorial right here in the message so you can all read it
here or copy and paste it somewhere on your computer. Here
is the tutorial on using Chrome!
Tutorial for Using the
Google Chrome Browser
By David Moore
This tutorial will be
done with the latest update of Chrome.
I will also use JAWS
18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial, because
they all work the same in Chrome.
Finally, I will use
Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.
I will assume that you
have downloaded and installed Chrome.
There should be a
shortcut on your desktop.
Section One:
Launching Chrome:
One way to Launch
Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and
type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when
you hear JAWS say Chrome.
However, since you
have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut
icon on your desktop.
So next, find the
shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to
open Chrome.
The short cut will
actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google
Chrome icon on your desktop.
The first very
important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise
the window. Chrome often opens with the window not
maximise, and you will get undesirable results.
Section Two:
Bringing up a web
site.
Press CTRL+L or Alt+D
and type the
following:
www.freedomscientific.com
The Freedom Scientific
web site comes up very quickly.
All navigation
commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for
combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome.
Section Three:
The Virticle Chrome
menu:
I will press Alt+F.
The Chrome menu is
open.
This is a very large
virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down
arrow through.
I will press insert+up
arrow to hear the first option in this menu.
New Tab, CTRL+T.
You can press that
command right from the web site you are on.
New Window, CTRL+N
You can press these
commands right from your web page, instead of coming here.
New incognito Window.
History sub menu.
I will press right
arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!
History, CTRL+H
So, there is a key
command for reading your history.
You can read a few
sites you were on right here.
I will press left
arrow to close this history sub menu.
Downloads, CTRL+J
There is the command
for opening your downloads you have downloaded with
Chrome.
Next, the important
Bookmarks sub menu.
I will press right
arrow, to open this.
I hear, bookmark this
page, CTRL+D
That command will
bookmark the page you are reading.
Next down arrow, says
show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B
That command, will
show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see.
I do not want that.
Here is the important
one.
manage bookmarks
The command is,
CTRL+Shift+O
In here, you can
organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks
you have imported from different browsers, and very
importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML
file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome.
On your computer, you
can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a
page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks
you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to
download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so
you can back them up.
That is all for manage
bookmarks.
Next, I hear import
bookmarks and settings.
press enter on this,
and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and
Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in
their corresponding folders.
Now, I hear all of my
saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.
Very important!
Sometimes, when I open
that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I
mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved
bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times,
and it gets me to these choices.
Keep in mind, that
many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key
commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub
menu at all. You only need to come here most of the time,
to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the
desired one.
To save a web site as
a bookmark,
Just press CTRL+D and
press enter, and your bookmark is saved.
I will now press left
arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu!
I will continue to
down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we
entered by just pressing alt.
The next few are very
self explanatory.
The next one I will
mension, is the more tools submenu.
I will press right
arrow on this.
I hear Save Page as,
and the command, CTRL+S.
Next, Save to desktop.
This allows you to
save the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This
is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the
file menu in IE.
It is hidden under
this more tools submenu.
Clear Browsing data,
and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key.
Extentions, In here,
you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on.
These are the same as
add ons, in IE.
I will press left
arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are back
to the virticle Chrome menu.
The last two that I
will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu.
If you press the left
arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help system,
just like in other programs, so that is all I will say
about help.
Now, we will press
enter on settings, and a web like page will open where the
virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in
Brows mode.
Section Four:
Adjusting Settings and
Advanced settings:
Now that this web page
is open, I will just down arrow down the page and we will
deal with each setting.
Important:
I have already signed
into Chrome.
So now, arrow down
until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter.
You just enter your
email address and password, I think it has to be the same
email address and password that you used to set up your
Google account.
I am not sure about
this.
You do not need to
sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your
activity between all devices that you have Chrome on. That
is the only advantage of signing in.
I will continue with
what I hear after you have signed in.
If you do not sign in,
press H until you hear Appearance.
Each group of settings
is a heading that you can get to by pressing H. This makes
it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the
group of settings you want to work with.
Now, because I have
signed in, this is what I hear before getting to
appearance.
The first thing you
hear:
Settings.
That is the very top
of the web page.
Down arrow, and you
hear:
Main Menu Button.
That will just take
you back to the virticle menu we were in.
If you down arrow
again, you will just hear blank.
Down arrow, again, and
you hear:
Settings again, but
now, this is a heading. You can get here just by pressing
H at the top of the page.
If you down arrow, you
hear:
Search Settings.
This is where you can
type in a setting that you want to change.
Down arrow again, and
there is the edit field where you type in the setting you
want to work with.
Down arrow again, and
you hear another heading saying people.
Down arrow again, and
I hear David Clickable.
This is because I have
already signed into Chrome.
Down arrow again, and
I hear my Gmail email address.
Again, this is because
I have already signed into Chrome to sync my settings and
all of that.
Down arrow again, and
I hear:
Edit person.
This is where I could
change my name.
Down arrow again, and
I hear:
Sign Out.
This is because I have
already signed in to Chrome.
Down arrow again, and
I hear:
Sync.
Down arrow again, and
I hear:
On, Sync everything.
This is a combo box,
where you can choose what to sinc; I chose everything in
this combo box.
Again, all of this is
because I have signed into Chrome already.
Down arrow again, and
you hear:
Sync button.
Down arrow again, and
you hear:
Manage other people
clickable.
Don't worry about the
clickables. There is a clickable for many things, but then
there is the button you enter on right after that.
Down arrow again, and
you hear:
Manage other people
button.
This is what you would
press enter on to set up another user.
Down arrow again, and
you hear:
Import bookmarks and
settings Clickable:
Down arrow again, and
you actually hear
Import bookmarks and
settings button.
Here, you press enter
and import all of your bookmarks and settings from other
Browsers like IE.
This is another way of
doing this, because remember,
We had a choice of
manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the
virticle menu.
There is more than one
place to do things in Chrome.
Now, we have a series
of headings, that you can just press H for heading, to get
to.
Now, we have gotten to
the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear:
themes, which I did
nothing with.
Next, you can open the
Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and
more.
Then, you hear Themes
button.
Do nothing with this.
Next, you hear:
Show home clickable.
Just skip that.
There are many buttons
that say clickable, and then there is a button that you
actually press enter on to work with it.
Just work with the
buttons, and skip over these vclickables.
Down arrow, and you
have an edit box where you can put in your home page you
want to get to by pressing Alt+Home.
Next, there is the
home button toggle.
Press the spacebar to
turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the home
button show at the top of the Chrome Window.
I have it checked.
Now, there are two
radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a custom
web address.
Search Heading:
We are at another
heading, where you can set your search Engine.
There is a combo box
below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to have my
searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of
Bing.
Next heading:
Default Browser.
Here, you can choose
weather you want Chrome to be your default browser or not.
Just leave this alone
if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser.
Next Important
heading:
On Start up.
Here is where you put
in your URL that you want to show as soon as you start
Chrome.
There are three radio
buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a specific
page or pages, which is the third radio button.
Under this, you can
type in the URL of the web site that you want to open when
you start Chrome.
Under this, there is a
link where you can add more pages you want to show when
Chrome starts up.
Now, we are up to the
search engin heading.
This is a heading.
There are headings on
this settings page.
I chose to use Google
search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box.
The next heading, is
on start up.
Finally, here is where
you set up your home page.
There are three radio
buttons here.
I chose the third one,
to open a selected page or selected pages.
Next, I was able to
enter:
www.Google.Com.
That is my home page
that will open each time I start Chrome.
Next important group
of settings, the advanced settings.
Now, you have to press
enter on the advanced settings button before more headings
of settings will show.
The Advanced settings
are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show more
headings of settings.
Now that these
advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of
settings.
There is much more we
can customize under the advanced settings.
Privacy and security
heading:
Down arrow from here,
and you hear:
Use a web service to
resolve navigation errors.
You have a clickable,
and a toggle.
Press spacebar to
toggle this on or off.
Again, ignore the
clickables.
Now you have:
Use a prodiction
service to enable you in searches.
I left this unchecked.
Next, you have a
setting to speed up the loading of web pages:
I checked this with
spacebar.
The next three
settings I just left alone.
I checked the one that
says:
Use a web service to
help with spelling.
I leave manage
certificates alone.
Next, you have content
settings, but this is not a new heading.
We are still working
with the same heading.
The only thing of
interest here, is the clear history button.
This was available in
the virtical menu, so don't worry about this.
Now, we get to the
next heading of settings.
Passwords and forms:
Under this heading,
just make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome
save passwords.
Languages Heading:
I did nothing with
this.
Downloads heading:
This is where you
choose where you want your downloads to be saved on your
computer.
Printing heading:
I did nothing with
this.
Accessibility heading:
I did nothing with
this.
Now, we have the
System heading:
Down arrow, and you
hear:
Continue running
background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed.
I have this unchecked.
Next,
Use hard ware
excelloration when Available.
I have this checked.
Next, you hear:
Open proxy settings
button.
I left this alone.
Last Heading LOL!
Reset.
Here, you can reset
all settings back to their origional.
We are done with
Settings.
Now, just press
CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site.
This settings web
page, opens in another tab.
That is it for
settings.
Notice, we made a lot
of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see
these, unless you press enter to expand these.
Now, press the Alt key
again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where
we were with the settings.
You see exit, up arrow
and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings
choice.
I press right arrow on
this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center
to get a lot of help using Chrome.
To open a web site,
just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL.
Chrome for me, is so
much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and
Watching movies, and so on.
For me, Chrome opens
large news sites very quickly compared to IE.
Lastly, All JAWS and
NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example,
you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and
the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact
same.
This is the end of the
tutorial.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind
about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi David,
Please post your
tutorial again; especially for those of us who are not
always paying attention to all details.
Thanks,
Monte
Hi all!
I have been telling
people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.
I am so happy that all
of you are finding it to be true.
If anyone needs my
text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you
through all settings, I will paste it on the list.
I have done this
around ten times on all the lists, but you are still
finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.
Just read works great
for just reading an article on the page.
CTRL+J allows you to
hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows
you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange
them in different folders and back them up.
Chrome is great with
Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot
other than just simple browsing.
Have a great one, and
I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to
Chrome!
David Moore
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From: juan gonzalez
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind
about Chrome, I like it muchmore now
I use the add on
called sound on for navigational sounds.
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I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much
more now
Would anyone know if
Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current
firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or
when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the
ticks in the old version due to navigational sounds.
Until i find a browser
with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new
browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been
reading that some sites now do not support the old
versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things
like modal windows whatever they are.
On XP to make Firefox
perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as
after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my
guess is that the code is made for multi processor
devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you
might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page
loading times.
Things are no pushing
ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the
message you browser is unsupported get this or that then
you can come back.
To me this is a weird
thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect
pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their
business.
Brian
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Sent: Sunday, May 06,
2018 10:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] I've
largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more
now
I may have sent
messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger
liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've
changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as
they may as Firefox continues to implement its new
internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be
superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for
uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will
therefore only address general browsing and the
interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I
haven't compared.
This is a long
message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the
interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it
useful.
If you try Chrome and
find it superior for general browsing, you may still not
want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are
various considerations. I'll explain why I changed my
mind and what you may want to consider. You may have
other or different considerations as well.
The reason I say
Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads
pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and
see if the difference is important to you. There is a
very noticeable difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with
Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared them on a
slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago.
I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would
have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine
was slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to
anything.
I recently decided to
compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7
since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is
faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on
my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the results would
have been on a fast XP machine.
I haven't used Chrome
much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's
better for general browsing.
The Chrome interface
is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't
difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely
want a tutorial or some instructional material. If you
are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or
need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you
may benefit in early learning by using material.
The main things to
know in terms of the differences in the interface are that
Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings
and history and there is one menu, which you can open with
alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of course, there
are submenus and there are also items that open like web
pages such as settings.
I don't recall if
there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.
But if you work with
settings, you need to know that the settings interface
doesn't work quite properly in the following way:
It's a web page-like
interface but there some controls that don't work as they
should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I
couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know
what JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms mode, and
activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the button
because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated
with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.
I seem to recall that
in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to
activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know
if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of
whether that was necessary.
There's a very useful
settings search feature in settings.
One of my main
objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks
interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as
Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks
appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned from
someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more
or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't
played with it much, but enough to see that it works well
or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play
with it more before saying just how well it works. It'
appears to work well from the very little testing I've
done. If you are in the address bar, you can type some or
all of what you want to find such as york times or new
york times and you can up and down arrow through results.
Some of them will be search results using a search engine
but the top results in the list should be from book marks
and history. Try reading the current line after typing to
see if that contains the first result. I haven't played
with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure. But
if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to
be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature
may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in
Firefox.
If you use Firefox
extensions that you consider important and use them a lot,
that may be a consideration in which browser you want to
use. and then, there's just convenience of not learning a
new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox.
You, of course, can determine questions like that. It's
nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the
importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if
you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish
to.
Browsing is either
identical or nearly identical between the browsers because
they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which
is the JAWS name for the same thing.
So you can compare by
installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web
sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in
Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are
automatically placed on the address bar, but you can
check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time
to execute control l.
I hope those who are
interested in this subject find these comments useful.
If people are curious
or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may
want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't
know how Edge compares.
Gene
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Hi Rich, I don’t even use bookmarks now. Sure, I add them, but if you start typing the name of the web site in the address bar, auto complete will kick in. All the best Steve
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich De Steno Sent: 09 May 2018 00:46 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now I notice Chrome does not have "first letter navigation" for the bookmarks. I had to arrow down until I found the one I wanted. Also, when I press Enter on a bookmark, it does not activate. I had to go into the applications key to activate the option "open in new window". On 5/8/2018 2:43 PM, Steve Nutt wrote: Hi, For the curious, you get to the toolbar by pressing Alt+Shift+T. Focus is placed on the first item, then you can arrow left and right through the toolbars. All the best Steve Sorry about this message, I meant NVDA doesn’t see the toolbar, but neither does JAWS. All the best Steve
Hi, Excellent tutorial. The only thing it doesn’t touch on is how you access the toolbar. Someone installed the High Contrast accessibility extension today and asked me how to enable/disable it, or how to change the colour invertion. According to help, you have to click it from the toolbar, but it seems that JAWS doesn’t see it. Any ideas please? All the best Steve Hi all! No problem at all. I will paste my text tutorial right here in the message so you can all read it here or copy and paste it somewhere on your computer. Here is the tutorial on using Chrome! Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser By David Moore This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome. I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial, because they all work the same in Chrome. Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build. I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome. There should be a shortcut on your desktop. Section One: Launching Chrome: One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS say Chrome. However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut icon on your desktop. So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to open Chrome. The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google Chrome icon on your desktop. The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get undesirable results. Section Two: Bringing up a web site. Press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the following: www.freedomscientific.com The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly. All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome. Section Three: The Virticle Chrome menu: I will press Alt+F. The Chrome menu is open. This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down arrow through. I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu. New Tab, CTRL+T. You can press that command right from the web site you are on. New Window, CTRL+N You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here. New incognito Window. History sub menu. I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu! History, CTRL+H So, there is a key command for reading your history. You can read a few sites you were on right here. I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu. Downloads, CTRL+J There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with Chrome. Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu. I will press right arrow, to open this. I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D That command will bookmark the page you are reading. Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. I do not want that. Here is the important one. manage bookmarks The command is, CTRL+Shift+O In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome. On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up. That is all for manage bookmarks. Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings. press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their corresponding folders. Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down. Very important! Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices. Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one. To save a web site as a bookmark, Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved. I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu! I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we entered by just pressing alt. The next few are very self explanatory. The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu. I will press right arrow on this. I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S. Next, Save to desktop. This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file menu in IE. It is hidden under this more tools submenu. Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key. Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on. These are the same as add ons, in IE. I will press left arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are back to the virticle Chrome menu. The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu. If you press the left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help system, just like in other programs, so that is all I will say about help. Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in Brows mode. Section Four: Adjusting Settings and Advanced settings: Now that this web page is open, I will just down arrow down the page and we will deal with each setting. Important: I have already signed into Chrome. So now, arrow down until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter. You just enter your email address and password, I think it has to be the same email address and password that you used to set up your Google account. I am not sure about this. You do not need to sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your activity between all devices that you have Chrome on. That is the only advantage of signing in. I will continue with what I hear after you have signed in. If you do not sign in, press H until you hear Appearance. Each group of settings is a heading that you can get to by pressing H. This makes it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the group of settings you want to work with. Now, because I have signed in, this is what I hear before getting to appearance. The first thing you hear: Settings. That is the very top of the web page. Down arrow, and you hear: Main Menu Button. That will just take you back to the virticle menu we were in. If you down arrow again, you will just hear blank. Down arrow, again, and you hear: Settings again, but now, this is a heading. You can get here just by pressing H at the top of the page. If you down arrow, you hear: Search Settings. This is where you can type in a setting that you want to change. Down arrow again, and there is the edit field where you type in the setting you want to work with. Down arrow again, and you hear another heading saying people. Down arrow again, and I hear David Clickable. This is because I have already signed into Chrome. Down arrow again, and I hear my Gmail email address. Again, this is because I have already signed into Chrome to sync my settings and all of that. Down arrow again, and I hear: Edit person. This is where I could change my name. Down arrow again, and I hear: Sign Out. This is because I have already signed in to Chrome. Down arrow again, and I hear: Sync. Down arrow again, and I hear: On, Sync everything. This is a combo box, where you can choose what to sinc; I chose everything in this combo box. Again, all of this is because I have signed into Chrome already. Down arrow again, and you hear: Sync button. Down arrow again, and you hear: Manage other people clickable. Don't worry about the clickables. There is a clickable for many things, but then there is the button you enter on right after that. Down arrow again, and you hear: Manage other people button. This is what you would press enter on to set up another user. Down arrow again, and you hear: Import bookmarks and settings Clickable: Down arrow again, and you actually hear Import bookmarks and settings button. Here, you press enter and import all of your bookmarks and settings from other Browsers like IE. This is another way of doing this, because remember, We had a choice of manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the virticle menu. There is more than one place to do things in Chrome. Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for heading, to get to. Now, we have gotten to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear: themes, which I did nothing with. Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and more. Then, you hear Themes button. Do nothing with this. Next, you hear: Show home clickable. Just skip that. There are many buttons that say clickable, and then there is a button that you actually press enter on to work with it. Just work with the buttons, and skip over these vclickables. Down arrow, and you have an edit box where you can put in your home page you want to get to by pressing Alt+Home. Next, there is the home button toggle. Press the spacebar to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the home button show at the top of the Chrome Window. I have it checked. Now, there are two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a custom web address. Search Heading: We are at another heading, where you can set your search Engine. There is a combo box below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to have my searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of Bing. Next heading: Default Browser. Here, you can choose weather you want Chrome to be your default browser or not. Just leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser. Next Important heading: On Start up. Here is where you put in your URL that you want to show as soon as you start Chrome. There are three radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a specific page or pages, which is the third radio button. Under this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want to open when you start Chrome. Under this, there is a link where you can add more pages you want to show when Chrome starts up. Now, we are up to the search engin heading. This is a heading. There are headings on this settings page. I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box. The next heading, is on start up. Finally, here is where you set up your home page. There are three radio buttons here. I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages. Next, I was able to enter: www.Google.Com. That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome. Next important group of settings, the advanced settings. Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before more headings of settings will show. The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show more headings of settings. Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of settings. There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings. Privacy and security heading: Down arrow from here, and you hear: Use a web service to resolve navigation errors. You have a clickable, and a toggle. Press spacebar to toggle this on or off. Again, ignore the clickables. Now you have: Use a prodiction service to enable you in searches. I left this unchecked. Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages: I checked this with spacebar. The next three settings I just left alone. I checked the one that says: Use a web service to help with spelling. I leave manage certificates alone. Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading. We are still working with the same heading. The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button. This was available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this. Now, we get to the next heading of settings. Passwords and forms: Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome save passwords. Languages Heading: I did nothing with this. Downloads heading: This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved on your computer. Printing heading: I did nothing with this. Accessibility heading: I did nothing with this. Now, we have the System heading: Down arrow, and you hear: Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed. I have this unchecked. Next, Use hard ware excelloration when Available. I have this checked. Next, you hear: Open proxy settings button. I left this alone. Last Heading LOL! Reset. Here, you can reset all settings back to their origional. We are done with Settings. Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site. This settings web page, opens in another tab. That is it for settings. Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see these, unless you press enter to expand these. Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where we were with the settings. You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings choice. I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center to get a lot of help using Chrome. To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL. Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and Watching movies, and so on. For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE. Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact same. This is the end of the tutorial. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Monte Single Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:25 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now Hi David, Please post your tutorial again; especially for those of us who are not always paying attention to all details. Thanks, Monte Hi all! I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years. I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true. If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list. I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is. Just read works great for just reading an article on the page. CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up. Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing. Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome! David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: juan gonzalez Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old version due to navigational sounds. Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are. On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times. Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back. To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared. This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful. If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider. You may have other or different considerations as well. The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything. I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine. I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing. The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material. The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings. I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu. But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way: It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times. I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary. There's a very useful settings search feature in settings. One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works. It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done. If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history. Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox. If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use. and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to. Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing. So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l. I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful. If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares. Gene
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I just tried it and I have to say me either. I don’t have a problem opening bookmarks. All the best Steve
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver Sent: 09 May 2018 00:56 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now Interesting, when I cursor through the bookmarks in Chrome on my system it works and activates the bookmark when I press enter on one of them. I haven't had a problem with this issue at all. Dan Beaver On 5/8/2018 7:45 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: I notice Chrome does not have "first letter navigation" for the bookmarks. I had to arrow down until I found the one I wanted. Also, when I press Enter on a bookmark, it does not activate. I had to go into the applications key to activate the option "open in new window". On 5/8/2018 2:43 PM, Steve Nutt wrote: Hi, For the curious, you get to the toolbar by pressing Alt+Shift+T. Focus is placed on the first item, then you can arrow left and right through the toolbars. All the best Steve Sorry about this message, I meant NVDA doesn’t see the toolbar, but neither does JAWS. All the best Steve
Hi, Excellent tutorial. The only thing it doesn’t touch on is how you access the toolbar. Someone installed the High Contrast accessibility extension today and asked me how to enable/disable it, or how to change the colour invertion. According to help, you have to click it from the toolbar, but it seems that JAWS doesn’t see it. Any ideas please? All the best Steve Hi all! No problem at all. I will paste my text tutorial right here in the message so you can all read it here or copy and paste it somewhere on your computer. Here is the tutorial on using Chrome! Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser By David Moore This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome. I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial, because they all work the same in Chrome. Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build. I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome. There should be a shortcut on your desktop. Section One: Launching Chrome: One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS say Chrome. However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut icon on your desktop. So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to open Chrome. The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google Chrome icon on your desktop. The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get undesirable results. Section Two: Bringing up a web site. Press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the following: www.freedomscientific.com The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly. All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome. Section Three: The Virticle Chrome menu: I will press Alt+F. The Chrome menu is open. This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down arrow through. I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu. New Tab, CTRL+T. You can press that command right from the web site you are on. New Window, CTRL+N You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here. New incognito Window. History sub menu. I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu! History, CTRL+H So, there is a key command for reading your history. You can read a few sites you were on right here. I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu. Downloads, CTRL+J There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with Chrome. Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu. I will press right arrow, to open this. I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D That command will bookmark the page you are reading. Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. I do not want that. Here is the important one. manage bookmarks The command is, CTRL+Shift+O In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome. On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up. That is all for manage bookmarks. Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings. press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their corresponding folders. Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down. Very important! Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices. Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one. To save a web site as a bookmark, Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved. I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu! I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we entered by just pressing alt. The next few are very self explanatory. The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu. I will press right arrow on this. I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S. Next, Save to desktop. This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file menu in IE. It is hidden under this more tools submenu. Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key. Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on. These are the same as add ons, in IE. I will press left arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are back to the virticle Chrome menu. The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu. If you press the left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help system, just like in other programs, so that is all I will say about help. Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in Brows mode. Section Four: Adjusting Settings and Advanced settings: Now that this web page is open, I will just down arrow down the page and we will deal with each setting. Important: I have already signed into Chrome. So now, arrow down until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter. You just enter your email address and password, I think it has to be the same email address and password that you used to set up your Google account. I am not sure about this. You do not need to sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your activity between all devices that you have Chrome on. That is the only advantage of signing in. I will continue with what I hear after you have signed in. If you do not sign in, press H until you hear Appearance. Each group of settings is a heading that you can get to by pressing H. This makes it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the group of settings you want to work with. Now, because I have signed in, this is what I hear before getting to appearance. The first thing you hear: Settings. That is the very top of the web page. Down arrow, and you hear: Main Menu Button. That will just take you back to the virticle menu we were in. If you down arrow again, you will just hear blank. Down arrow, again, and you hear: Settings again, but now, this is a heading. You can get here just by pressing H at the top of the page. If you down arrow, you hear: Search Settings. This is where you can type in a setting that you want to change. Down arrow again, and there is the edit field where you type in the setting you want to work with. Down arrow again, and you hear another heading saying people. Down arrow again, and I hear David Clickable. This is because I have already signed into Chrome. Down arrow again, and I hear my Gmail email address. Again, this is because I have already signed into Chrome to sync my settings and all of that. Down arrow again, and I hear: Edit person. This is where I could change my name. Down arrow again, and I hear: Sign Out. This is because I have already signed in to Chrome. Down arrow again, and I hear: Sync. Down arrow again, and I hear: On, Sync everything. This is a combo box, where you can choose what to sinc; I chose everything in this combo box. Again, all of this is because I have signed into Chrome already. Down arrow again, and you hear: Sync button. Down arrow again, and you hear: Manage other people clickable. Don't worry about the clickables. There is a clickable for many things, but then there is the button you enter on right after that. Down arrow again, and you hear: Manage other people button. This is what you would press enter on to set up another user. Down arrow again, and you hear: Import bookmarks and settings Clickable: Down arrow again, and you actually hear Import bookmarks and settings button. Here, you press enter and import all of your bookmarks and settings from other Browsers like IE. This is another way of doing this, because remember, We had a choice of manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the virticle menu. There is more than one place to do things in Chrome. Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for heading, to get to. Now, we have gotten to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear: themes, which I did nothing with. Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and more. Then, you hear Themes button. Do nothing with this. Next, you hear: Show home clickable. Just skip that. There are many buttons that say clickable, and then there is a button that you actually press enter on to work with it. Just work with the buttons, and skip over these vclickables. Down arrow, and you have an edit box where you can put in your home page you want to get to by pressing Alt+Home. Next, there is the home button toggle. Press the spacebar to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the home button show at the top of the Chrome Window. I have it checked. Now, there are two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a custom web address. Search Heading: We are at another heading, where you can set your search Engine. There is a combo box below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to have my searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of Bing. Next heading: Default Browser. Here, you can choose weather you want Chrome to be your default browser or not. Just leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser. Next Important heading: On Start up. Here is where you put in your URL that you want to show as soon as you start Chrome. There are three radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a specific page or pages, which is the third radio button. Under this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want to open when you start Chrome. Under this, there is a link where you can add more pages you want to show when Chrome starts up. Now, we are up to the search engin heading. This is a heading. There are headings on this settings page. I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box. The next heading, is on start up. Finally, here is where you set up your home page. There are three radio buttons here. I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages. Next, I was able to enter: www.Google.Com. That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome. Next important group of settings, the advanced settings. Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before more headings of settings will show. The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show more headings of settings. Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of settings. There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings. Privacy and security heading: Down arrow from here, and you hear: Use a web service to resolve navigation errors. You have a clickable, and a toggle. Press spacebar to toggle this on or off. Again, ignore the clickables. Now you have: Use a prodiction service to enable you in searches. I left this unchecked. Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages: I checked this with spacebar. The next three settings I just left alone. I checked the one that says: Use a web service to help with spelling. I leave manage certificates alone. Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading. We are still working with the same heading. The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button. This was available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this. Now, we get to the next heading of settings. Passwords and forms: Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome save passwords. Languages Heading: I did nothing with this. Downloads heading: This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved on your computer. Printing heading: I did nothing with this. Accessibility heading: I did nothing with this. Now, we have the System heading: Down arrow, and you hear: Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed. I have this unchecked. Next, Use hard ware excelloration when Available. I have this checked. Next, you hear: Open proxy settings button. I left this alone. Last Heading LOL! Reset. Here, you can reset all settings back to their origional. We are done with Settings. Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site. This settings web page, opens in another tab. That is it for settings. Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see these, unless you press enter to expand these. Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where we were with the settings. You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings choice. I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center to get a lot of help using Chrome. To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL. Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and Watching movies, and so on. For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE. Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact same. This is the end of the tutorial. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Monte Single Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:25 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now Hi David, Please post your tutorial again; especially for those of us who are not always paying attention to all details. Thanks, Monte Hi all! I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years. I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true. If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list. I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is. Just read works great for just reading an article on the page. CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up. Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing. Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome! David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: juan gonzalez Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old version due to navigational sounds. Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are. On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times. Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back. To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared. This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful. If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider. You may have other or different considerations as well. The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything. I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine. I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing. The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material. The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings. I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu. But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way: It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times. I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary. There's a very useful settings search feature in settings. One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works. It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done. If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history. Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox. If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use. and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to. Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing. So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l. I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful. If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares. Gene
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Hi Rich It sounds like you are opening the Bookmarks Manager which doesn’t have first letter navigation. I organise my bookmarks into folders and use the bookmarks toolbar. This gives me a horizontal bar, accessible using f6, with buttons for each of my 5 folders. I tab to the folder I want, press spacebar to open the sub-menu, then use arrow keys to navigate the bookmarks. First letter navigation also works within these folders. Cheers Chris
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rich De Steno Sent: 9 May 2018 00:46 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now I notice Chrome does not have "first letter navigation" for the bookmarks. I had to arrow down until I found the one I wanted. Also, when I press Enter on a bookmark, it does not activate. I had to go into the applications key to activate the option "open in new window". On 5/8/2018 2:43 PM, Steve Nutt wrote: Hi, For the curious, you get to the toolbar by pressing Alt+Shift+T. Focus is placed on the first item, then you can arrow left and right through the toolbars. All the best Steve Sorry about this message, I meant NVDA doesn’t see the toolbar, but neither does JAWS. All the best Steve
Hi, Excellent tutorial. The only thing it doesn’t touch on is how you access the toolbar. Someone installed the High Contrast accessibility extension today and asked me how to enable/disable it, or how to change the colour invertion. According to help, you have to click it from the toolbar, but it seems that JAWS doesn’t see it. Any ideas please? All the best Steve Hi all! No problem at all. I will paste my text tutorial right here in the message so you can all read it here or copy and paste it somewhere on your computer. Here is the tutorial on using Chrome! Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser By David Moore This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome. I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial, because they all work the same in Chrome. Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build. I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome. There should be a shortcut on your desktop. Section One: Launching Chrome: One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS say Chrome. However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut icon on your desktop. So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to open Chrome. The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google Chrome icon on your desktop. The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get undesirable results. Section Two: Bringing up a web site. Press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the following: www.freedomscientific.com The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly. All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome. Section Three: The Virticle Chrome menu: I will press Alt+F. The Chrome menu is open. This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down arrow through. I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu. New Tab, CTRL+T. You can press that command right from the web site you are on. New Window, CTRL+N You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here. New incognito Window. History sub menu. I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu! History, CTRL+H So, there is a key command for reading your history. You can read a few sites you were on right here. I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu. Downloads, CTRL+J There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with Chrome. Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu. I will press right arrow, to open this. I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D That command will bookmark the page you are reading. Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. I do not want that. Here is the important one. manage bookmarks The command is, CTRL+Shift+O In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome. On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up. That is all for manage bookmarks. Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings. press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their corresponding folders. Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down. Very important! Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices. Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one. To save a web site as a bookmark, Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved. I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu! I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we entered by just pressing alt. The next few are very self explanatory. The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu. I will press right arrow on this. I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S. Next, Save to desktop. This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file menu in IE. It is hidden under this more tools submenu. Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key. Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on. These are the same as add ons, in IE. I will press left arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are back to the virticle Chrome menu. The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu. If you press the left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help system, just like in other programs, so that is all I will say about help. Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in Brows mode. Section Four: Adjusting Settings and Advanced settings: Now that this web page is open, I will just down arrow down the page and we will deal with each setting. Important: I have already signed into Chrome. So now, arrow down until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter. You just enter your email address and password, I think it has to be the same email address and password that you used to set up your Google account. I am not sure about this. You do not need to sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your activity between all devices that you have Chrome on. That is the only advantage of signing in. I will continue with what I hear after you have signed in. If you do not sign in, press H until you hear Appearance. Each group of settings is a heading that you can get to by pressing H. This makes it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the group of settings you want to work with. Now, because I have signed in, this is what I hear before getting to appearance. The first thing you hear: Settings. That is the very top of the web page. Down arrow, and you hear: Main Menu Button. That will just take you back to the virticle menu we were in. If you down arrow again, you will just hear blank. Down arrow, again, and you hear: Settings again, but now, this is a heading. You can get here just by pressing H at the top of the page. If you down arrow, you hear: Search Settings. This is where you can type in a setting that you want to change. Down arrow again, and there is the edit field where you type in the setting you want to work with. Down arrow again, and you hear another heading saying people. Down arrow again, and I hear David Clickable. This is because I have already signed into Chrome. Down arrow again, and I hear my Gmail email address. Again, this is because I have already signed into Chrome to sync my settings and all of that. Down arrow again, and I hear: Edit person. This is where I could change my name. Down arrow again, and I hear: Sign Out. This is because I have already signed in to Chrome. Down arrow again, and I hear: Sync. Down arrow again, and I hear: On, Sync everything. This is a combo box, where you can choose what to sinc; I chose everything in this combo box. Again, all of this is because I have signed into Chrome already. Down arrow again, and you hear: Sync button. Down arrow again, and you hear: Manage other people clickable. Don't worry about the clickables. There is a clickable for many things, but then there is the button you enter on right after that. Down arrow again, and you hear: Manage other people button. This is what you would press enter on to set up another user. Down arrow again, and you hear: Import bookmarks and settings Clickable: Down arrow again, and you actually hear Import bookmarks and settings button. Here, you press enter and import all of your bookmarks and settings from other Browsers like IE. This is another way of doing this, because remember, We had a choice of manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the virticle menu. There is more than one place to do things in Chrome. Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for heading, to get to. Now, we have gotten to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear: themes, which I did nothing with. Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and more. Then, you hear Themes button. Do nothing with this. Next, you hear: Show home clickable. Just skip that. There are many buttons that say clickable, and then there is a button that you actually press enter on to work with it. Just work with the buttons, and skip over these vclickables. Down arrow, and you have an edit box where you can put in your home page you want to get to by pressing Alt+Home. Next, there is the home button toggle. Press the spacebar to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the home button show at the top of the Chrome Window. I have it checked. Now, there are two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a custom web address. Search Heading: We are at another heading, where you can set your search Engine. There is a combo box below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to have my searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of Bing. Next heading: Default Browser. Here, you can choose weather you want Chrome to be your default browser or not. Just leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser. Next Important heading: On Start up. Here is where you put in your URL that you want to show as soon as you start Chrome. There are three radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a specific page or pages, which is the third radio button. Under this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want to open when you start Chrome. Under this, there is a link where you can add more pages you want to show when Chrome starts up. Now, we are up to the search engin heading. This is a heading. There are headings on this settings page. I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box. The next heading, is on start up. Finally, here is where you set up your home page. There are three radio buttons here. I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages. Next, I was able to enter: www.Google.Com. That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome. Next important group of settings, the advanced settings. Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before more headings of settings will show. The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show more headings of settings. Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of settings. There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings. Privacy and security heading: Down arrow from here, and you hear: Use a web service to resolve navigation errors. You have a clickable, and a toggle. Press spacebar to toggle this on or off. Again, ignore the clickables. Now you have: Use a prodiction service to enable you in searches. I left this unchecked. Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages: I checked this with spacebar. The next three settings I just left alone. I checked the one that says: Use a web service to help with spelling. I leave manage certificates alone. Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading. We are still working with the same heading. The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button. This was available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this. Now, we get to the next heading of settings. Passwords and forms: Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome save passwords. Languages Heading: I did nothing with this. Downloads heading: This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved on your computer. Printing heading: I did nothing with this. Accessibility heading: I did nothing with this. Now, we have the System heading: Down arrow, and you hear: Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed. I have this unchecked. Next, Use hard ware excelloration when Available. I have this checked. Next, you hear: Open proxy settings button. I left this alone. Last Heading LOL! Reset. Here, you can reset all settings back to their origional. We are done with Settings. Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site. This settings web page, opens in another tab. That is it for settings. Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see these, unless you press enter to expand these. Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where we were with the settings. You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings choice. I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center to get a lot of help using Chrome. To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL. Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and Watching movies, and so on. For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE. Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact same. This is the end of the tutorial. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Monte Single Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:25 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now Hi David, Please post your tutorial again; especially for those of us who are not always paying attention to all details. Thanks, Monte Hi all! I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years. I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true. If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list. I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is. Just read works great for just reading an article on the page. CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up. Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing. Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome! David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: juan gonzalez Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old version due to navigational sounds. Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are. On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times. Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back. To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared. This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful. If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider. You may have other or different considerations as well. The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything. I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine. I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing. The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material. The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings. I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu. But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way: It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times. I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary. There's a very useful settings search feature in settings. One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works. It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done. If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history. Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox. If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use. and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to. Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing. So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l. I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful. If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares. Gene
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brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
If and chrome has first naavigation then and only will I
switch to it from ie thats the reason that so many blind people
still use ie because of first letter navigation if you have a lot
of favorites or bookmarcks thats a lots of down arrowing just to
get to the one that you want. this is a lack in googles part
since ie has always had this feature so why can't chrome have
it/? I know that nvda does work with chrome so if this could
beadded then I think that more blind people would switch to
chrome. Google just doesn't get it.
Brian Sackrider
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On 5/8/2018 7:55 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:
Interesting, when I cursor through the bookmarks in Chrome
on my system it works and activates the bookmark when I press
enter on one of them. I haven't had a problem with this issue
at all.
Dan Beaver
On 5/8/2018 7:45 PM, Rich De Steno
wrote:
I notice Chrome does not have "first letter navigation" for
the bookmarks. I had to arrow down until I found the one I
wanted. Also, when I press Enter on a bookmark, it does not
activate. I had to go into the applications key to activate
the option "open in new window".
On 5/8/2018 2:43 PM, Steve Nutt
wrote:
Hi,
For the curious, you get to the
toolbar by pressing Alt+Shift+T. Focus is placed on the
first item, then you can arrow left and right through
the toolbars.
All the best
Steve
Sorry about this message, I meant
NVDA doesn’t see the toolbar, but neither does JAWS.
All the best
Steve
Hi,
Excellent tutorial.
The only thing it doesn’t touch
on is how you access the toolbar. Someone installed the
High Contrast accessibility extension today and asked me
how to enable/disable it, or how to change the colour
invertion. According to help, you have to click it from
the toolbar, but it seems that JAWS doesn’t see it.
Any ideas please?
All the best
Steve
Hi all!
No problem at all.
I will paste my text
tutorial right here in the message so you can all read
it here or copy and paste it somewhere on your computer.
Here is the tutorial on using Chrome!
Tutorial for Using
the Google Chrome Browser
By David Moore
This tutorial will
be done with the latest update of Chrome.
I will also use JAWS
18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial,
because they all work the same in Chrome.
Finally, I will use
Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.
I will assume that
you have downloaded and installed Chrome.
There should be a
shortcut on your desktop.
Section One:
Launching Chrome:
One way to Launch
Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and
type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter
when you hear JAWS say Chrome.
However, since you
have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut
icon on your desktop.
So next, find the
shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to
open Chrome.
The short cut will
actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the
Google Chrome icon on your desktop.
The first very
important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise
the window. Chrome often opens with the window not
maximise, and you will get undesirable results.
Section Two:
Bringing up a web
site.
Press CTRL+L or
Alt+D
and type the
following:
www.freedomscientific.com
The Freedom
Scientific web site comes up very quickly.
All navigation
commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for
combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome.
Section Three:
The Virticle Chrome
menu:
I will press Alt+F.
The Chrome menu is
open.
This is a very large
virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down
arrow through.
I will press
insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.
New Tab, CTRL+T.
You can press that
command right from the web site you are on.
New Window, CTRL+N
You can press these
commands right from your web page, instead of coming
here.
New incognito
Window.
History sub menu.
I will press right
arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!
History, CTRL+H
So, there is a key
command for reading your history.
You can read a few
sites you were on right here.
I will press left
arrow to close this history sub menu.
Downloads, CTRL+J
There is the command
for opening your downloads you have downloaded with
Chrome.
Next, the important
Bookmarks sub menu.
I will press right
arrow, to open this.
I hear, bookmark
this page, CTRL+D
That command will
bookmark the page you are reading.
Next down arrow,
says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B
That command, will
show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to
see. I do not want that.
Here is the
important one.
manage bookmarks
The command is,
CTRL+Shift+O
In here, you can
organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks
you have imported from different browsers, and very
importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML
file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome.
On your computer,
you can press enter on this file, after it downloads,
and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all
bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome
way to download all of your bookmarks right to your
computer, so you can back them up.
That is all for
manage bookmarks.
Next, I hear import
bookmarks and settings.
press enter on this,
and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE,
and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be
in their corresponding folders.
Now, I hear all of
my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.
Very important!
Sometimes, when I
open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the
choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my
saved bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few
times, and it gets me to these choices.
Keep in mind, that
many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key
commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks
sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of the
time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter
on the desired one.
To save a web site
as a bookmark,
Just press CTRL+D
and press enter, and your bookmark is saved.
I will now press
left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu!
I will continue to
down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we
entered by just pressing alt.
The next few are
very self explanatory.
The next one I will
mension, is the more tools submenu.
I will press right
arrow on this.
I hear Save Page as,
and the command, CTRL+S.
Next, Save to
desktop.
This allows you to
save the favorite of the page right to your desktop.
This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this
in the file menu in IE.
It is hidden under
this more tools submenu.
Clear Browsing data,
and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key.
Extentions, In here,
you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on.
These are the same
as add ons, in IE.
I will press left
arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are back
to the virticle Chrome menu.
The last two that I
will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu.
If you press the
left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help
system, just like in other programs, so that is all I
will say about help.
Now, we will press
enter on settings, and a web like page will open where
the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will
be in Brows mode.
Section Four:
Adjusting Settings
and Advanced settings:
Now that this web
page is open, I will just down arrow down the page and
we will deal with each setting.
Important:
I have already
signed into Chrome.
So now, arrow down
until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter.
You just enter your
email address and password, I think it has to be the
same email address and password that you used to set up
your Google account.
I am not sure about
this.
You do not need to
sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your
activity between all devices that you have Chrome on.
That is the only advantage of signing in.
I will continue with
what I hear after you have signed in.
If you do not sign
in, press H until you hear Appearance.
Each group of
settings is a heading that you can get to by pressing H.
This makes it very easy, because you just press H until
you hear the group of settings you want to work with.
Now, because I have
signed in, this is what I hear before getting to
appearance.
The first thing you
hear:
Settings.
That is the very top
of the web page.
Down arrow, and you
hear:
Main Menu Button.
That will just take
you back to the virticle menu we were in.
If you down arrow
again, you will just hear blank.
Down arrow, again,
and you hear:
Settings again, but
now, this is a heading. You can get here just by
pressing H at the top of the page.
If you down arrow,
you hear:
Search Settings.
This is where you
can type in a setting that you want to change.
Down arrow again,
and there is the edit field where you type in the
setting you want to work with.
Down arrow again,
and you hear another heading saying people.
Down arrow again,
and I hear David Clickable.
This is because I
have already signed into Chrome.
Down arrow again,
and I hear my Gmail email address.
Again, this is
because I have already signed into Chrome to sync my
settings and all of that.
Down arrow again,
and I hear:
Edit person.
This is where I
could change my name.
Down arrow again,
and I hear:
Sign Out.
This is because I
have already signed in to Chrome.
Down arrow again,
and I hear:
Sync.
Down arrow again,
and I hear:
On, Sync everything.
This is a combo box,
where you can choose what to sinc; I chose everything in
this combo box.
Again, all of this
is because I have signed into Chrome already.
Down arrow again,
and you hear:
Sync button.
Down arrow again,
and you hear:
Manage other people
clickable.
Don't worry about
the clickables. There is a clickable for many things,
but then there is the button you enter on right after
that.
Down arrow again,
and you hear:
Manage other people
button.
This is what you
would press enter on to set up another user.
Down arrow again,
and you hear:
Import bookmarks and
settings Clickable:
Down arrow again,
and you actually hear
Import bookmarks and
settings button.
Here, you press
enter and import all of your bookmarks and settings from
other Browsers like IE.
This is another way
of doing this, because remember,
We had a choice of
manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the
virticle menu.
There is more than
one place to do things in Chrome.
Now, we have a
series of headings, that you can just press H for
heading, to get to.
Now, we have gotten
to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear:
themes, which I did
nothing with.
Next, you can open
the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of
extentions, and more.
Then, you hear
Themes button.
Do nothing with
this.
Next, you hear:
Show home clickable.
Just skip that.
There are many
buttons that say clickable, and then there is a button
that you actually press enter on to work with it.
Just work with the
buttons, and skip over these vclickables.
Down arrow, and you
have an edit box where you can put in your home page you
want to get to by pressing Alt+Home.
Next, there is the
home button toggle.
Press the spacebar
to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the
home button show at the top of the Chrome Window.
I have it checked.
Now, there are two
radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a
custom web address.
Search Heading:
We are at another
heading, where you can set your search Engine.
There is a combo box
below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to have my
searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of
Bing.
Next heading:
Default Browser.
Here, you can choose
weather you want Chrome to be your default browser or
not.
Just leave this
alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default
browser.
Next Important
heading:
On Start up.
Here is where you
put in your URL that you want to show as soon as you
start Chrome.
There are three
radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a
specific page or pages, which is the third radio button.
Under this, you can
type in the URL of the web site that you want to open
when you start Chrome.
Under this, there is
a link where you can add more pages you want to show
when Chrome starts up.
Now, we are up to
the search engin heading.
This is a heading.
There are headings
on this settings page.
I chose to use
Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo
box.
The next heading, is
on start up.
Finally, here is
where you set up your home page.
There are three
radio buttons here.
I chose the third
one, to open a selected page or selected pages.
Next, I was able to
enter:
www.Google.Com.
That is my home page
that will open each time I start Chrome.
Next important group
of settings, the advanced settings.
Now, you have to
press enter on the advanced settings button before more
headings of settings will show.
The Advanced
settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to
show more headings of settings.
Now that these
advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading
of settings.
There is much more
we can customize under the advanced settings.
Privacy and security
heading:
Down arrow from
here, and you hear:
Use a web service to
resolve navigation errors.
You have a
clickable, and a toggle.
Press spacebar to
toggle this on or off.
Again, ignore the
clickables.
Now you have:
Use a prodiction
service to enable you in searches.
I left this
unchecked.
Next, you have a
setting to speed up the loading of web pages:
I checked this with
spacebar.
The next three
settings I just left alone.
I checked the one
that says:
Use a web service to
help with spelling.
I leave manage
certificates alone.
Next, you have
content settings, but this is not a new heading.
We are still working
with the same heading.
The only thing of
interest here, is the clear history button.
This was available
in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this.
Now, we get to the
next heading of settings.
Passwords and forms:
Under this heading,
just make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome
save passwords.
Languages Heading:
I did nothing with
this.
Downloads heading:
This is where you
choose where you want your downloads to be saved on your
computer.
Printing heading:
I did nothing with
this.
Accessibility
heading:
I did nothing with
this.
Now, we have the
System heading:
Down arrow, and you
hear:
Continue running
background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed.
I have this
unchecked.
Next,
Use hard ware
excelloration when Available.
I have this checked.
Next, you hear:
Open proxy settings
button.
I left this alone.
Last Heading LOL!
Reset.
Here, you can reset
all settings back to their origional.
We are done with
Settings.
Now, just press
CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site.
This settings web
page, opens in another tab.
That is it for
settings.
Notice, we made a
lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot
see these, unless you press enter to expand these.
Now, press the Alt
key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu
where we were with the settings.
You see exit, up
arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the
settings choice.
I press right arrow
on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help
center to get a lot of help using Chrome.
To open a web site,
just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL.
Chrome for me, is so
much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV
and Watching movies, and so on.
For me, Chrome opens
large news sites very quickly compared to IE.
Lastly, All JAWS and
NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For
example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with
JAWS, and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is
the exact same.
This is the end of
the tutorial.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my
mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi David,
Please post your
tutorial again; especially for those of us who are not
always paying attention to all details.
Thanks,
Monte
Hi all!
I have been telling
people just how great Chrome is for two and a half
years.
I am so happy that
all of you are finding it to be true.
If anyone needs my
text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you
through all settings, I will paste it on the list.
I have done this
around ten times on all the lists, but you are still
finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome
is.
Just read works
great for just reading an article on the page.
CTRL+J allows you to
hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O
allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can
arrange them in different folders and back them up.
Chrome is great with
Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot
other than just simple browsing.
Have a great one,
and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used
to Chrome!
David Moore
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From: juan gonzalez
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my
mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now
I use the add on
called sound on for navigational sounds.
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Sent: Sunday, May 6,
2018 9:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda]
I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it
much more now
Would anyone know if
Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current
firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or
when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear
the ticks in the old version due to navigational
sounds.
Until i find a
browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a
new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been
reading that some sites now do not support the old
versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things
like modal windows whatever they are.
On XP to make
Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a
version 45, as after this the actual load up times are
hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for
multi processor devices, not single core ones.This is
also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox
are similar in page loading times.
Things are no
pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to
see the message you browser is unsupported get this or
that then you can come back.
To me this is a
weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in
effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that
is their business.
Brian
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Sent: Sunday, May
06, 2018 10:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] I've
largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much
more now
I may have sent
messages in the past in which I expressed a much
stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point,
I've changed my mind and, unless things change over
time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its
new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be
superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for
uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will
therefore only address general browsing and the
interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects
I haven't compared.
This is a long
message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of
the interface. I hope those interested in the subject
find it useful.
If you try Chrome
and find it superior for general browsing, you may still
not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are
various considerations. I'll explain why I changed my
mind and what you may want to consider. You may have
other or different considerations as well.
The reason I say
Chrome is better for general browsing is because it
loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to
compare and see if the difference is important to you.
There is a very noticeable difference. I hadn't
compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast
machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP
perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected that,
if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable
difference, even though the machine was slow. But there
wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.
I recently decided
to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows
7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that
Chrome is faster. There is a very noticeable difference
in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the
results would have been on a fast XP machine.
I haven't used
Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I
say it's better for general browsing.
The Chrome interface
is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It
isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will
likely want a tutorial or some instructional material.
If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not
want or need such material, at least not to use in
depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using
material.
The main things to
know in terms of the differences in the interface are
that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as
settings and history and there is one menu, which you
can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of
course, there are submenus and there are also items that
open like web pages such as settings.
I don't recall if
there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.
But if you work with
settings, you need to know that the settings interface
doesn't work quite properly in the following way:
It's a web page-like
interface but there some controls that don't work as
they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and
I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't
know what JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms
mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab
to the button because forms mode may not have been
properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface,
at least at times.
I seem to recall
that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode
to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to
know if that is the case since I don't have a clear
memory of whether that was necessary.
There's a very
useful settings search feature in settings.
One of my main
objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks
interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as
Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks
appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned
from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be
more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I
haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it
works well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd
want to play with it more before saying just how well it
works. It' appears to work well from the very little
testing I've done. If you are in the address bar, you
can type some or all of what you want to find such as
york times or new york times and you can up and down
arrow through results. Some of them will be search
results using a search engine but the top results in the
list should be from book marks and history. Try reading
the current line after typing to see if that contains
the first result. I haven't played with the feature
more than a little and I'm not sure. But if it works
well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an
important deficiency. In other words, this feature may
make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in
Firefox.
If you use Firefox
extensions that you consider important and use them a
lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you
want to use. and then, there's just convenience of not
learning a new interface and continuing to use the
familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine
questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a
good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary
from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a
hands on test, you may wish to.
Browsing is either
identical or nearly identical between the browsers
because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC
cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.
So you can compare
by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some
web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just
as in Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are
automatically placed on the address bar, but you can
check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no
time to execute control l.
I hope those who are
interested in this subject find these comments useful.
If people are
curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser,
they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all
so I don't know how Edge compares.
Gene
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Rich De Steno
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Hi,
I have to say I finally made the change|! I decided to use Chrome as my primary browser because it is fast and does not chrash like IE... Ie is too slow and does not work well anymore.
We have to stay up to date and that's what I am trying to do and if one has no prejudice we can do everything... I mean, it is not so hard to learn Chrome, it is easier than I expected.. So, thank you to nvda group who helped me to move forward! Best. Angela from Italy
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Il 09/05/2018 18:07, brian ha scritto: If and chrome has first naavigation then and only will I switch to it from ie thats the reason that so many blind people still use ie because of first letter navigation if you have a lot of favorites or bookmarcks thats a lots of down arrowing just to get to the one that you want. this is a lack in googles part since ie has always had this feature so why can't chrome have it/? I know that nvda does work with chrome so if this could beadded then I think that more blind people would switch to chrome. Google just doesn't get it.
Brian Sackrider
On 5/8/2018 7:55 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:
Interesting, when I cursor through the bookmarks in Chrome on my system it works and activates the bookmark when I press enter on one of them. I haven't had a problem with this issue at all.
Dan Beaver
On 5/8/2018 7:45 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
I notice Chrome does not have "first letter navigation" for the bookmarks. I had to arrow down until I found the one I wanted. Also, when I press Enter on a bookmark, it does not activate. I had to go into the applications key to activate the option "open in new window".
On 5/8/2018 2:43 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,
For the curious, you get to the toolbar by pressing Alt+Shift+T. Focus is placed on the first item, then you can arrow left and right through the toolbars.
All the best
Steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Steve Nutt *Sent:* 08 May 2018 19:37 *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Sorry about this message, I meant NVDA doesn’t see the toolbar, but neither does JAWS.
All the best
Steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Steve Nutt *Sent:* 08 May 2018 19:19 *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi,
Excellent tutorial.
The only thing it doesn’t touch on is how you access the toolbar. Someone installed the High Contrast accessibility extension today and asked me how to enable/disable it, or how to change the colour invertion. According to help, you have to click it from the toolbar, but it seems that JAWS doesn’t see it.
Any ideas please?
All the best
Steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *David Moore *Sent:* 06 May 2018 23:29 *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi all!
No problem at all.
I will paste my text tutorial right here in the message so you can all read it here or copy and paste it somewhere on your computer. Here is the tutorial on using Chrome!
Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser
By David Moore
This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome.
I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial, because they all work the same in Chrome.
Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.
I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome.
There should be a shortcut on your desktop.
Section One:
Launching Chrome:
One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS say Chrome.
However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut icon on your desktop.
So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to open Chrome.
The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google Chrome icon on your desktop.
The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get undesirable results.
Section Two:
Bringing up a web site.
Press CTRL+L or Alt+D
and type the following:
www.freedomscientific.com
The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly.
All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome.
Section Three:
The Virticle Chrome menu:
I will press Alt+F.
The Chrome menu is open.
This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down arrow through.
I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.
New Tab, CTRL+T.
You can press that command right from the web site you are on.
New Window, CTRL+N
You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here.
New incognito Window.
History sub menu.
I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!
History, CTRL+H
So, there is a key command for reading your history.
You can read a few sites you were on right here.
I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu.
Downloads, CTRL+J
There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with Chrome.
Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu.
I will press right arrow, to open this.
I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D
That command will bookmark the page you are reading.
Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B
That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. I do not want that.
Here is the important one.
manage bookmarks
The command is, CTRL+Shift+O
In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome.
On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up.
That is all for manage bookmarks.
Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings.
press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their corresponding folders.
Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.
Very important!
Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices.
Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one.
To save a web site as a bookmark,
Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved.
I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu!
I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we entered by just pressing alt.
The next few are very self explanatory.
The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu.
I will press right arrow on this.
I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S.
Next, Save to desktop.
This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file menu in IE.
It is hidden under this more tools submenu.
Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key.
Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on.
These are the same as add ons, in IE.
I will press left arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are back to the virticle Chrome menu.
The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu.
If you press the left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help system, just like in other programs, so that is all I will say about help.
Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in Brows mode.
Section Four:
Adjusting Settings and Advanced settings:
Now that this web page is open, I will just down arrow down the page and we will deal with each setting.
Important:
I have already signed into Chrome.
So now, arrow down until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter.
You just enter your email address and password, I think it has to be the same email address and password that you used to set up your Google account.
I am not sure about this.
You do not need to sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your activity between all devices that you have Chrome on. That is the only advantage of signing in.
I will continue with what I hear after you have signed in.
If you do not sign in, press H until you hear Appearance.
Each group of settings is a heading that you can get to by pressing H. This makes it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the group of settings you want to work with.
Now, because I have signed in, this is what I hear before getting to appearance.
The first thing you hear:
Settings.
That is the very top of the web page.
Down arrow, and you hear:
Main Menu Button.
That will just take you back to the virticle menu we were in.
If you down arrow again, you will just hear blank.
Down arrow, again, and you hear:
Settings again, but now, this is a heading. You can get here just by pressing H at the top of the page.
If you down arrow, you hear:
Search Settings.
This is where you can type in a setting that you want to change.
Down arrow again, and there is the edit field where you type in the setting you want to work with.
Down arrow again, and you hear another heading saying people.
Down arrow again, and I hear David Clickable.
This is because I have already signed into Chrome.
Down arrow again, and I hear my Gmail email address.
Again, this is because I have already signed into Chrome to sync my settings and all of that.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Edit person.
This is where I could change my name.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Sign Out.
This is because I have already signed in to Chrome.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Sync.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
On, Sync everything.
This is a combo box, where you can choose what to sinc; I chose everything in this combo box.
Again, all of this is because I have signed into Chrome already.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Sync button.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Manage other people clickable.
Don't worry about the clickables. There is a clickable for many things, but then there is the button you enter on right after that.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Manage other people button.
This is what you would press enter on to set up another user.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Import bookmarks and settings Clickable:
Down arrow again, and you actually hear
Import bookmarks and settings button.
Here, you press enter and import all of your bookmarks and settings from other Browsers like IE.
This is another way of doing this, because remember,
We had a choice of manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the virticle menu.
There is more than one place to do things in Chrome.
Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for heading, to get to.
Now, we have gotten to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear:
themes, which I did nothing with.
Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and more.
Then, you hear Themes button.
Do nothing with this.
Next, you hear:
Show home clickable.
Just skip that.
There are many buttons that say clickable, and then there is a button that you actually press enter on to work with it.
Just work with the buttons, and skip over these vclickables.
Down arrow, and you have an edit box where you can put in your home page you want to get to by pressing Alt+Home.
Next, there is the home button toggle.
Press the spacebar to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the home button show at the top of the Chrome Window.
I have it checked.
Now, there are two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a custom web address.
Search Heading:
We are at another heading, where you can set your search Engine.
There is a combo box below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to have my searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of Bing.
Next heading:
Default Browser.
Here, you can choose weather you want Chrome to be your default browser or not.
Just leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser.
Next Important heading:
On Start up.
Here is where you put in your URL that you want to show as soon as you start Chrome.
There are three radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a specific page or pages, which is the third radio button.
Under this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want to open when you start Chrome.
Under this, there is a link where you can add more pages you want to show when Chrome starts up.
Now, we are up to the search engin heading.
This is a heading.
There are headings on this settings page.
I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box.
The next heading, is on start up.
Finally, here is where you set up your home page.
There are three radio buttons here.
I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages.
Next, I was able to enter:
www.Google.Com.
That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome.
Next important group of settings, the advanced settings.
Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before more headings of settings will show.
The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show more headings of settings.
Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of settings.
There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings.
Privacy and security heading:
Down arrow from here, and you hear:
Use a web service to resolve navigation errors.
You have a clickable, and a toggle.
Press spacebar to toggle this on or off.
Again, ignore the clickables.
Now you have:
Use a prodiction service to enable you in searches.
I left this unchecked.
Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages:
I checked this with spacebar.
The next three settings I just left alone.
I checked the one that says:
Use a web service to help with spelling.
I leave manage certificates alone.
Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading.
We are still working with the same heading.
The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button.
This was available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this.
Now, we get to the next heading of settings.
Passwords and forms:
Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome save passwords.
Languages Heading:
I did nothing with this.
Downloads heading:
This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved on your computer.
Printing heading:
I did nothing with this.
Accessibility heading:
I did nothing with this.
Now, we have the System heading:
Down arrow, and you hear:
Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed.
I have this unchecked.
Next,
Use hard ware excelloration when Available.
I have this checked.
Next, you hear:
Open proxy settings button.
I left this alone.
Last Heading LOL!
Reset.
Here, you can reset all settings back to their origional.
We are done with Settings.
Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site.
This settings web page, opens in another tab.
That is it for settings.
Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see these, unless you press enter to expand these.
Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where we were with the settings.
You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings choice.
I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center to get a lot of help using Chrome.
To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL.
Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and Watching movies, and so on.
For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE.
Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact same.
This is the end of the tutorial.
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*From: *Monte Single <mailto:mrsingle@sasktel.net> *Sent: *Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:25 PM *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi David,
Please post your tutorial again; especially for those of us who are not always paying attention to all details.
Thanks,
Monte
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *David Moore *Sent:* May-06-18 4:21 PM *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now
Hi all!
I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.
I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.
If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.
I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.
Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.
CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up.
Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing.
Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!
David Moore
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I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.
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Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old version due to navigational sounds.
Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.
On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.
Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.
To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.
Brian
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Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now
I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.
This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.
If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider. You may have other or different considerations as well.
The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.
I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.
I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.
The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.
The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.
I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.
But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:
It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.
I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.
There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.
One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works. It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done. If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history. Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.
If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use. and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.
Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.
So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.
I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.
If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.
Gene
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So, I am trying to use Chrome but for some reason the keyboard shortcuts don't seem to work. For example, ctrl+l doesn't get me to the address bar. And when I press tab it doesn't move through elements on the page.
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On 5/9/2018 1:36 PM, Angela Delicata wrote: Hi,
I have to say I finally made the change|! I decided to use Chrome as my primary browser because it is fast and does not chrash like IE... Ie is too slow and does not work well anymore.
We have to stay up to date and that's what I am trying to do and if one has no prejudice we can do everything... I mean, it is not so hard to learn Chrome, it is easier than I expected.. So, thank you to nvda group who helped me to move forward! Best. Angela from Italy
Il 09/05/2018 18:07, brian ha scritto:
If and chrome has first naavigation then and only will I switch to it from ie thats the reason that so many blind people still use ie because of first letter navigation if you have a lot of favorites or bookmarcks thats a lots of down arrowing just to get to the one that you want. this is a lack in googles part since ie has always had this feature so why can't chrome have it/? I know that nvda does work with chrome so if this could beadded then I think that more blind people would switch to chrome. Google just doesn't get it.
Brian Sackrider
On 5/8/2018 7:55 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:
Interesting, when I cursor through the bookmarks in Chrome on my system it works and activates the bookmark when I press enter on one of them. I haven't had a problem with this issue at all.
Dan Beaver
On 5/8/2018 7:45 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
I notice Chrome does not have "first letter navigation" for the bookmarks. I had to arrow down until I found the one I wanted. Also, when I press Enter on a bookmark, it does not activate. I had to go into the applications key to activate the option "open in new window".
On 5/8/2018 2:43 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,
For the curious, you get to the toolbar by pressing Alt+Shift+T. Focus is placed on the first item, then you can arrow left and right through the toolbars.
All the best
Steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Steve Nutt *Sent:* 08 May 2018 19:37 *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Sorry about this message, I meant NVDA doesn’t see the toolbar, but neither does JAWS.
All the best
Steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Steve Nutt *Sent:* 08 May 2018 19:19 *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi,
Excellent tutorial.
The only thing it doesn’t touch on is how you access the toolbar. Someone installed the High Contrast accessibility extension today and asked me how to enable/disable it, or how to change the colour invertion. According to help, you have to click it from the toolbar, but it seems that JAWS doesn’t see it.
Any ideas please?
All the best
Steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *David Moore *Sent:* 06 May 2018 23:29 *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi all!
No problem at all.
I will paste my text tutorial right here in the message so you can all read it here or copy and paste it somewhere on your computer. Here is the tutorial on using Chrome!
Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser
By David Moore
This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome.
I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial, because they all work the same in Chrome.
Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.
I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome.
There should be a shortcut on your desktop.
Section One:
Launching Chrome:
One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS say Chrome.
However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut icon on your desktop.
So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to open Chrome.
The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google Chrome icon on your desktop.
The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get undesirable results.
Section Two:
Bringing up a web site.
Press CTRL+L or Alt+D
and type the following:
www.freedomscientific.com
The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly.
All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome.
Section Three:
The Virticle Chrome menu:
I will press Alt+F.
The Chrome menu is open.
This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down arrow through.
I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.
New Tab, CTRL+T.
You can press that command right from the web site you are on.
New Window, CTRL+N
You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here.
New incognito Window.
History sub menu.
I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!
History, CTRL+H
So, there is a key command for reading your history.
You can read a few sites you were on right here.
I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu.
Downloads, CTRL+J
There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with Chrome.
Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu.
I will press right arrow, to open this.
I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D
That command will bookmark the page you are reading.
Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B
That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. I do not want that.
Here is the important one.
manage bookmarks
The command is, CTRL+Shift+O
In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome.
On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up.
That is all for manage bookmarks.
Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings.
press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their corresponding folders.
Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.
Very important!
Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices.
Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one.
To save a web site as a bookmark,
Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved.
I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu!
I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we entered by just pressing alt.
The next few are very self explanatory.
The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu.
I will press right arrow on this.
I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S.
Next, Save to desktop.
This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file menu in IE.
It is hidden under this more tools submenu.
Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key.
Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on.
These are the same as add ons, in IE.
I will press left arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are back to the virticle Chrome menu.
The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu.
If you press the left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help system, just like in other programs, so that is all I will say about help.
Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in Brows mode.
Section Four:
Adjusting Settings and Advanced settings:
Now that this web page is open, I will just down arrow down the page and we will deal with each setting.
Important:
I have already signed into Chrome.
So now, arrow down until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter.
You just enter your email address and password, I think it has to be the same email address and password that you used to set up your Google account.
I am not sure about this.
You do not need to sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your activity between all devices that you have Chrome on. That is the only advantage of signing in.
I will continue with what I hear after you have signed in.
If you do not sign in, press H until you hear Appearance.
Each group of settings is a heading that you can get to by pressing H. This makes it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the group of settings you want to work with.
Now, because I have signed in, this is what I hear before getting to appearance.
The first thing you hear:
Settings.
That is the very top of the web page.
Down arrow, and you hear:
Main Menu Button.
That will just take you back to the virticle menu we were in.
If you down arrow again, you will just hear blank.
Down arrow, again, and you hear:
Settings again, but now, this is a heading. You can get here just by pressing H at the top of the page.
If you down arrow, you hear:
Search Settings.
This is where you can type in a setting that you want to change.
Down arrow again, and there is the edit field where you type in the setting you want to work with.
Down arrow again, and you hear another heading saying people.
Down arrow again, and I hear David Clickable.
This is because I have already signed into Chrome.
Down arrow again, and I hear my Gmail email address.
Again, this is because I have already signed into Chrome to sync my settings and all of that.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Edit person.
This is where I could change my name.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Sign Out.
This is because I have already signed in to Chrome.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Sync.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
On, Sync everything.
This is a combo box, where you can choose what to sinc; I chose everything in this combo box.
Again, all of this is because I have signed into Chrome already.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Sync button.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Manage other people clickable.
Don't worry about the clickables. There is a clickable for many things, but then there is the button you enter on right after that.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Manage other people button.
This is what you would press enter on to set up another user.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Import bookmarks and settings Clickable:
Down arrow again, and you actually hear
Import bookmarks and settings button.
Here, you press enter and import all of your bookmarks and settings from other Browsers like IE.
This is another way of doing this, because remember,
We had a choice of manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the virticle menu.
There is more than one place to do things in Chrome.
Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for heading, to get to.
Now, we have gotten to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear:
themes, which I did nothing with.
Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and more.
Then, you hear Themes button.
Do nothing with this.
Next, you hear:
Show home clickable.
Just skip that.
There are many buttons that say clickable, and then there is a button that you actually press enter on to work with it.
Just work with the buttons, and skip over these vclickables.
Down arrow, and you have an edit box where you can put in your home page you want to get to by pressing Alt+Home.
Next, there is the home button toggle.
Press the spacebar to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the home button show at the top of the Chrome Window.
I have it checked.
Now, there are two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a custom web address.
Search Heading:
We are at another heading, where you can set your search Engine.
There is a combo box below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to have my searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of Bing.
Next heading:
Default Browser.
Here, you can choose weather you want Chrome to be your default browser or not.
Just leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser.
Next Important heading:
On Start up.
Here is where you put in your URL that you want to show as soon as you start Chrome.
There are three radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a specific page or pages, which is the third radio button.
Under this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want to open when you start Chrome.
Under this, there is a link where you can add more pages you want to show when Chrome starts up.
Now, we are up to the search engin heading.
This is a heading.
There are headings on this settings page.
I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box.
The next heading, is on start up.
Finally, here is where you set up your home page.
There are three radio buttons here.
I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages.
Next, I was able to enter:
www.Google.Com.
That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome.
Next important group of settings, the advanced settings.
Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before more headings of settings will show.
The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show more headings of settings.
Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of settings.
There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings.
Privacy and security heading:
Down arrow from here, and you hear:
Use a web service to resolve navigation errors.
You have a clickable, and a toggle.
Press spacebar to toggle this on or off.
Again, ignore the clickables.
Now you have:
Use a prodiction service to enable you in searches.
I left this unchecked.
Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages:
I checked this with spacebar.
The next three settings I just left alone.
I checked the one that says:
Use a web service to help with spelling.
I leave manage certificates alone.
Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading.
We are still working with the same heading.
The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button.
This was available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this.
Now, we get to the next heading of settings.
Passwords and forms:
Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome save passwords.
Languages Heading:
I did nothing with this.
Downloads heading:
This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved on your computer.
Printing heading:
I did nothing with this.
Accessibility heading:
I did nothing with this.
Now, we have the System heading:
Down arrow, and you hear:
Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed.
I have this unchecked.
Next,
Use hard ware excelloration when Available.
I have this checked.
Next, you hear:
Open proxy settings button.
I left this alone.
Last Heading LOL!
Reset.
Here, you can reset all settings back to their origional.
We are done with Settings.
Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site.
This settings web page, opens in another tab.
That is it for settings.
Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see these, unless you press enter to expand these.
Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where we were with the settings.
You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings choice.
I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center to get a lot of help using Chrome.
To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL.
Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and Watching movies, and so on.
For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE.
Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact same.
This is the end of the tutorial.
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*From: *Monte Single <mailto:mrsingle@sasktel.net> *Sent: *Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:25 PM *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi David,
Please post your tutorial again; especially for those of us who are not always paying attention to all details.
Thanks,
Monte
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Hi all!
I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.
I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.
If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.
I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.
Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.
CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up.
Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing.
Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!
David Moore
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I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.
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Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old version due to navigational sounds.
Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.
On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.
Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.
To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.
Brian
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Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now
I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.
This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.
If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider. You may have other or different considerations as well.
The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.
I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.
I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.
The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.
The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.
I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.
But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:
It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.
I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.
There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.
One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works. It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done. If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history. Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.
If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use. and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.
Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.
So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.
I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.
If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.
Gene
-- Rich De Steno
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If you want to get to a bookmarkin Chrome, you
don't necessarily have to go into the book mark interface. I haven't
played with this enough to know how well it works, but there is a feature where
you can type some or all of the name of the site you are looking for into the
address bar and it looks in book marks and history for it and places results in
a list you down arrow through after typing. I don't recall now if you
should read the current line to get the first result or just start down
arrowing. Others can evaluate the feature bbecause I just played with it a
very small amount. But it may eliminate the need for first letter
navigation.
Also, if ease of use of bookmarks is very important
to you, Firefox is much much better at ease of use than Internet Explorer.
It has a dedicated search book marks feature where you type part or all of the
name of a book mark and down arrow through a list and first letter navigation
works in the list of results as I recall as well. If I type york times or
even just rk tim in the search, then tab once to the list, I find my new york
times book marks there.
I wouldn't assume that bookmarks are an important
reason blind people still use Internet Explorer as their main browser.
Most blind computer users probably haven't given
this issue any thought because they probably haven't seen it discussed
anywhere. When you are considering changing to a different browser, unless
you know about the question, you aren't likely to think about book mark
navigation.
Gene
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like itmuchmore now
If and chrome has first naavigation then and only will I
switch to it from ie thats the reason that so many blind people still use ie
because of first letter navigation if you have a lot of favorites or bookmarcks
thats a lots of down arrowing just to get to the one that you want.
this is a lack in googles part since ie has always had this feature so why
can't chrome have it/? I know that nvda does work with chrome so if this
could beadded then I think that more blind people would switch to chrome. Google
just doesn't get it.
Brian Sackrider
On 5/8/2018 7:55 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:
Interesting, when I cursor through the bookmarks in
Chrome on my system it works and activates the bookmark when I press enter on
one of them. I haven't had a problem with this issue at all.
Dan Beaver
On 5/8/2018 7:45 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
I notice Chrome does not have "first letter navigation" for the
bookmarks. I had to arrow down until I found the one I wanted.
Also, when I press Enter on a bookmark, it does not activate. I had to
go into the applications key to activate the option "open in new
window".
On 5/8/2018 2:43 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,
For the curious, you get to the toolbar by
pressing Alt+Shift+T. Focus is placed on the first item, then you
can arrow left and right through the toolbars.
All the best
Steve
Sorry about this message, I meant NVDA doesn’t
see the toolbar, but neither does JAWS.
All the best
Steve
Hi,
Excellent tutorial.
The only thing it doesn’t touch on is how you
access the toolbar. Someone installed the High Contrast
accessibility extension today and asked me how to enable/disable it, or
how to change the colour invertion. According to help, you have to
click it from the toolbar, but it seems that JAWS doesn’t see
it.
Any ideas please?
All the best
Steve
Hi all!
No problem at all.
I will paste my text tutorial right
here in the message so you can all read it here or copy and paste it
somewhere on your computer. Here is the tutorial on using
Chrome!
Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome
Browser
By David Moore
This tutorial will be done with the
latest update of Chrome.
I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018,
and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial, because they all work the same in
Chrome.
Finally, I will use Windows 10
Creators Update latest public build.
I will assume that you have downloaded
and installed Chrome.
There should be a shortcut on your
desktop.
Section One:
Launching Chrome:
One way to Launch Chrome, is to press
the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and type Chrome in the search edit field,
and press enter when you hear JAWS say Chrome.
However, since you have already
downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut icon on your
desktop.
So next, find the shortcut for Chrome
on your desktop, and press enter to open Chrome.
The short cut will actually say Google
Chrome, so press G to find the Google Chrome icon on your
desktop.
The first very important step, is to
press Windows+up arrow to maximise the window. Chrome often opens with the
window not maximise, and you will get undesirable results.
Section Two:
Bringing up a web site.
Press CTRL+L or Alt+D
and type the following:
www.freedomscientific.com
The Freedom Scientific web site comes
up very quickly.
All navigation commands like: H for
heading, E for edit field, C for combo box, and so on all work just the
same in Chrome.
Section Three:
The Virticle Chrome menu:
I will press Alt+F.
The Chrome menu is open.
This is a very large virticle menu
that you just keep pressing up and down arrow through.
I will press insert+up arrow to hear
the first option in this menu.
New Tab, CTRL+T.
You can press that command right from
the web site you are on.
New Window, CTRL+N
You can press these commands right
from your web page, instead of coming here.
New incognito Window.
History sub menu.
I will press right arrow here to see
what is in this sub menu!
History, CTRL+H
So, there is a key command for reading
your history.
You can read a few sites you were on
right here.
I will press left arrow to close this
history sub menu.
Downloads, CTRL+J
There is the command for opening your
downloads you have downloaded with Chrome.
Next, the important Bookmarks sub
menu.
I will press right arrow, to open
this.
I hear, bookmark this page,
CTRL+D
That command will bookmark the page
you are reading.
Next down arrow, says show bookmarks
bar, CTRL+Shift+B
That command, will show your bookmarks
on your Chrome browser for all to see. I do not want that.
Here is the important one.
manage bookmarks
The command is,
CTRL+Shift+O
In here, you can organize your
bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you have imported from different
browsers, and very importantly, you can download, to your computer, an
HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome.
On your computer, you can press enter
on this file, after it downloads, and a page will show up in Chrome with a
list of all bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to
download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back
them up.
That is all for manage
bookmarks.
Next, I hear import bookmarks and
settings.
press enter on this, and you can
import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and Firefox, right into Google
Chrome, and they will be in their corresponding folders.
Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks
as I continue to arrow down.
Very important!
Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks
sub menu, I do not land on the choices I mension here, but instead, I
start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few
times, and it gets me to these choices.
Keep in mind, that many of these
choices, like bookmark manager, have key commands, so you do not have to
come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of
the time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired
one.
To save a web site as a
bookmark,
Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and
your bookmark is saved.
I will now press left arrow, to close
the Bookmarks sub menu!
I will continue to down arrow through
this virticle Chrome menu that we entered by just pressing alt.
The next few are very self
explanatory.
The next one I will mension, is the
more tools submenu.
I will press right arrow on
this.
I hear Save Page as, and the command,
CTRL+S.
Next, Save to desktop.
This allows you to save the favorite
of the page right to your desktop. This is how you do this in Chrome,
instead of doing this in the file menu in IE.
It is hidden under this more tools
submenu.
Clear Browsing data, and there is the
key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key.
Extentions, In here, you can add
extentions, delete extentions and so on.
These are the same as add ons, in
IE.
I will press left arrow, to close the
More Tools sub menu, and we are back to the virticle Chrome
menu.
The last two that I will mention, are
settings, and the help sub menu.
If you press the left arrow on the
help sub menu, you can open the help system, just like in other programs,
so that is all I will say about help.
Now, we will press enter on settings,
and a web like page will open where the virtual cursor will turn on with
JAWS, and NVDA will be in Brows mode.
Section Four:
Adjusting Settings and Advanced
settings:
Now that this web page is open, I will
just down arrow down the page and we will deal with each
setting.
Important:
I have already signed into
Chrome.
So now, arrow down until you hear sign
into Chrome and press enter.
You just enter your email address and
password, I think it has to be the same email address and password that
you used to set up your Google account.
I am not sure about this.
You do not need to sign into Chrome,
if you do, you can sync all of your activity between all devices that you
have Chrome on. That is the only advantage of signing in.
I will continue with what I hear after
you have signed in.
If you do not sign in, press H until
you hear Appearance.
Each group of settings is a heading
that you can get to by pressing H. This makes it very easy, because you
just press H until you hear the group of settings you want to work
with.
Now, because I have signed in, this is
what I hear before getting to appearance.
The first thing you hear:
Settings.
That is the very top of the web
page.
Down arrow, and you hear:
Main Menu Button.
That will just take you back to the
virticle menu we were in.
If you down arrow again, you will just
hear blank.
Down arrow, again, and you
hear:
Settings again, but now, this is a
heading. You can get here just by pressing H at the top of the
page.
If you down arrow, you
hear:
Search Settings.
This is where you can type in a
setting that you want to change.
Down arrow again, and there is the
edit field where you type in the setting you want to work with.
Down arrow again, and you hear another
heading saying people.
Down arrow again, and I hear David
Clickable.
This is because I have already signed
into Chrome.
Down arrow again, and I hear my Gmail
email address.
Again, this is because I have already
signed into Chrome to sync my settings and all of that.
Down arrow again, and I
hear:
Edit person.
This is where I could change my
name.
Down arrow again, and I
hear:
Sign Out.
This is because I have already signed
in to Chrome.
Down arrow again, and I
hear:
Sync.
Down arrow again, and I
hear:
On, Sync everything.
This is a combo box, where you can
choose what to sinc; I chose everything in this combo box.
Again, all of this is because I have
signed into Chrome already.
Down arrow again, and you
hear:
Sync button.
Down arrow again, and you
hear:
Manage other people
clickable.
Don't worry about the clickables.
There is a clickable for many things, but then there is the button you
enter on right after that.
Down arrow again, and you
hear:
Manage other people button.
This is what you would press enter on
to set up another user.
Down arrow again, and you
hear:
Import bookmarks and settings
Clickable:
Down arrow again, and you actually
hear
Import bookmarks and settings
button.
Here, you press enter and import all
of your bookmarks and settings from other Browsers like IE.
This is another way of doing this,
because remember,
We had a choice of manage bookmarks in
the book marks sub menu in the virticle menu.
There is more than one place to do
things in Chrome.
Now, we have a series of headings,
that you can just press H for heading, to get to.
Now, we have gotten to the appearance
heading. Down arrow and you hear:
themes, which I did nothing
with.
Next, you can open the Chrome web
store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and more.
Then, you hear Themes
button.
Do nothing with this.
Next, you hear:
Show home clickable.
Just skip that.
There are many buttons that say
clickable, and then there is a button that you actually press enter on to
work with it.
Just work with the buttons, and skip
over these vclickables.
Down arrow, and you have an edit box
where you can put in your home page you want to get to by pressing
Alt+Home.
Next, there is the home button
toggle.
Press the spacebar to turn this on or
off. If it is on, you can have the home button show at the top of the
Chrome Window.
I have it checked.
Now, there are two radio buttons, and
I chose the one to enter with a custom web address.
Search Heading:
We are at another heading, where you
can set your search Engine.
There is a combo box below, and I set
it to Chrome, because I like to have my searches from the address bar done
with Crome instead of Bing.
Next heading:
Default Browser.
Here, you can choose weather you want
Chrome to be your default browser or not.
Just leave this alone if you do not
want Chrome to be your default browser.
Next Important heading:
On Start up.
Here is where you put in your URL that
you want to show as soon as you start Chrome.
There are three radio buttons to pick
from, but I chose to open with a specific page or pages, which is the
third radio button.
Under this, you can type in the URL of
the web site that you want to open when you start Chrome.
Under this, there is a link where you
can add more pages you want to show when Chrome starts up.
Now, we are up to the search engin
heading.
This is a heading.
There are headings on this settings
page.
I chose to use Google search engin in
the address bar. This is a combo box.
The next heading, is on start
up.
Finally, here is where you set up your
home page.
There are three radio buttons
here.
I chose the third one, to open a
selected page or selected pages.
Next, I was able to enter:
www.Google.Com.
That is my home page that will open
each time I start Chrome.
Next important group of settings, the
advanced settings.
Now, you have to press enter on the
advanced settings button before more headings of settings will
show.
The Advanced settings are collapsed,
so you have to press enter to show more headings of settings.
Now that these advanced settings are
open, we get to the next heading of settings.
There is much more we can customize
under the advanced settings.
Privacy and security
heading:
Down arrow from here, and you
hear:
Use a web service to resolve
navigation errors.
You have a clickable, and a
toggle.
Press spacebar to toggle this on or
off.
Again, ignore the
clickables.
Now you have:
Use a prodiction service to enable you
in searches.
I left this unchecked.
Next, you have a setting to speed up
the loading of web pages:
I checked this with
spacebar.
The next three settings I just left
alone.
I checked the one that
says:
Use a web service to help with
spelling.
I leave manage certificates
alone.
Next, you have content settings, but
this is not a new heading.
We are still working with the same
heading.
The only thing of interest here, is
the clear history button.
This was available in the virtical
menu, so don't worry about this.
Now, we get to the next heading of
settings.
Passwords and forms:
Under this heading, just make sure
that you check to be able to have Chrome save passwords.
Languages Heading:
I did nothing with this.
Downloads heading:
This is where you choose where you
want your downloads to be saved on your computer.
Printing heading:
I did nothing with this.
Accessibility heading:
I did nothing with this.
Now, we have the System
heading:
Down arrow, and you hear:
Continue running background apps, when
Google Chrome is Closed.
I have this unchecked.
Next,
Use hard ware excelloration when
Available.
I have this checked.
Next, you hear:
Open proxy settings button.
I left this alone.
Last Heading LOL!
Reset.
Here, you can reset all settings back
to their origional.
We are done with Settings.
Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to
the Freedom Scientific Web site.
This settings web page, opens in
another tab.
That is it for settings.
Notice, we made a lot of changes under
the advanced settings. You cannot see these, unless you press enter to
expand these.
Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow
once to get to the end of the menu where we were with the
settings.
You see exit, up arrow and you see the
help sub menu, right under the settings choice.
I press right arrow on this help sub
menu, and you can enter on the help center to get a lot of help using
Chrome.
To open a web site, just press CTRL+L
or Alt+D and type the URL.
Chrome for me, is so much quicker with
web sites that involve streamming TV and Watching movies, and so
on.
For me, Chrome opens large news sites
very quickly compared to IE.
Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation
key commands work in Chrome. For example, you can press F7 to open a list
of links with JAWS, and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the
exact same.
This is the end of the
tutorial.
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From: Monte Single Sent: Sunday, May 6,
2018 6:25 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re:
[nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore
now
Hi David,
Please post your tutorial again;
especially for those of us who are not always paying attention to
all details.
Thanks,
Monte
Hi all!
I have been telling people just how
great Chrome is for two and a half years.
I am so happy that all of you are
finding it to be true.
If anyone needs my text tutorial I
wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will
paste it on the list.
I have done this around ten times on
all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how
great Chrome is.
Just read works great for just reading
an article on the page.
CTRL+J allows you to hear the status
of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks
manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them
up.
Chrome is great with Youtube, and
streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple
browsing.
Have a great one, and I am celebrating
that you are finally getting used to Chrome!
David Moore
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From: juan gonzalez Sent: Sunday, May 6,
2018 5:23 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re:
[nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore
now
I use the add on called sound on for
navigational sounds.
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Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28
AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely
changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now
Would anyone know if Chrome has
sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when
downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you
normally hear the ticks in the old version due to navigational
sounds.
Until i find a browser with this
function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the
problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the
old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal
windows whatever they are.
On XP to make Firefox perform even
reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up
times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi
processor devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you
might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading
times.
Things are no pushing ahead so fast on
sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported
get this or that then you can come back.
To me this is a weird thing for
commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential
customers, but hey, that is their business.
Brian
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Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed
my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now
I may have sent messages in the past
in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome.
At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time,
as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical
changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't
tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will
therefore only address general browsing and the interface. Others
may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.
This is a long message, a bit of a
review and a bit of discussion of the interface. I hope those
interested in the subject find it useful.
If you try Chrome and find it superior
for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main
browser. There are various considerations. I'll explain why I
changed my mind and what you may want to consider. You may have
other or different considerations as well.
The reason I say Chrome is better for
general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox. You
may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you.
There is a very noticeable difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with
Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared them on a slow
machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected
that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference,
even though the machine was slow. But there wasn't a difference that
amounted to anything.
I recently decided to compare on a
reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on
lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There is a very noticeable
difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the
results would have been on a fast XP machine.
I haven't used Chrome much but the
increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general
browsing.
The Chrome interface is different than
Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't difficult to learn but it is
different. You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional
material. If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want
or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit
in early learning by using material.
The main things to know in terms of
the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web
pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can
open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of course, there are
submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as
settings.
I don't recall if there are classic
dialogs that open from the main menu.
But if you work with settings, you
need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in
the following way:
It's a web page-like interface but
there some controls that don't work as they should. I tried to
activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using
NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had to manually go into
forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the
button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with
browse mode in that interface, at least at times.
I seem to recall that in another
instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have
to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear
memory of whether that was necessary.
There's a very useful settings search
feature in settings.
One of my main objections to Chrome in
the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to
work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks
appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on
a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I
say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see
that it works well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want
to play with it more before saying just how well it works. It'
appears to work well from the very little testing I've done. If you
are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find
such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through
results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine
but the top results in the list should be from book marks and
history. Try reading the current line after typing to see if that
contains the first result. I haven't played with the feature more
than a little and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would
eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words,
this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in
Firefox.
If you use Firefox extensions that you
consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in
which browser you want to use. and then, there's just convenience of
not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar
Firefox. You, of course, can determine questions like that.
It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of
speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a
hands on test, you may wish to.
Browsing is either identical or nearly
identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the
Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.
So you can compare by installing
Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites. Control l moves
you to the address bar, just as in Firefox. I believe when you open
Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can
check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute
control l.
I hope those who are interested in
this subject find these comments useful.
If people are curious or dissatisfied
with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome. I
haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.
Gene
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Hi, Angela,
I'm thinking of changing to chrome. It truly is much faster than IE. I really like how you can watch youtube videos on it. I don't think chrome is really that hard to learn either.
Rosemarie
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angela Delicata Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 10:36 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now Hi, I have to say I finally made the change|! I decided to use Chrome as my primary browser because it is fast and does not chrash like IE... Ie is too slow and does not work well anymore. We have to stay up to date and that's what I am trying to do and if one has no prejudice we can do everything... I mean, it is not so hard to learn Chrome, it is easier than I expected.. So, thank you to nvda group who helped me to move forward! Best. Angela from Italy Il 09/05/2018 18:07, brian ha scritto: If and chrome has first naavigation then and only will I switch to it from ie thats the reason that so many blind people still use ie because of first letter navigation if you have a lot of favorites or bookmarcks thats a lots of down arrowing just to get to the one that you want. this is a lack in googles part since ie has always had this feature so why can't chrome have it/? I know that nvda does work with chrome so if this could beadded then I think that more blind people would switch to chrome. Google just doesn't get it.
Brian Sackrider
On 5/8/2018 7:55 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:
Interesting, when I cursor through the bookmarks in Chrome on my system it works and activates the bookmark when I press enter on one of them. I haven't had a problem with this issue at all.
Dan Beaver
On 5/8/2018 7:45 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
I notice Chrome does not have "first letter navigation" for the bookmarks. I had to arrow down until I found the one I wanted. Also, when I press Enter on a bookmark, it does not activate. I had to go into the applications key to activate the option "open in new window".
On 5/8/2018 2:43 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,
For the curious, you get to the toolbar by pressing Alt+Shift+T. Focus is placed on the first item, then you can arrow left and right through the toolbars.
All the best
Steve
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Sorry about this message, I meant NVDA doesn’t see the toolbar, but neither does JAWS.
All the best
Steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Steve Nutt *Sent:* 08 May 2018 19:19 *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi,
Excellent tutorial.
The only thing it doesn’t touch on is how you access the toolbar. Someone installed the High Contrast accessibility extension today and asked me how to enable/disable it, or how to change the colour invertion. According to help, you have to click it from the toolbar, but it seems that JAWS doesn’t see it.
Any ideas please?
All the best
Steve
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Hi all!
No problem at all.
I will paste my text tutorial right here in the message so you can all read it here or copy and paste it somewhere on your computer. Here is the tutorial on using Chrome!
Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser
By David Moore
This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome.
I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial, because they all work the same in Chrome.
Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.
I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome.
There should be a shortcut on your desktop.
Section One:
Launching Chrome:
One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS say Chrome.
However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut icon on your desktop.
So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to open Chrome.
The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google Chrome icon on your desktop.
The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get undesirable results.
Section Two:
Bringing up a web site.
Press CTRL+L or Alt+D
and type the following:
www.freedomscientific.com
The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly.
All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome.
Section Three:
The Virticle Chrome menu:
I will press Alt+F.
The Chrome menu is open.
This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down arrow through.
I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.
New Tab, CTRL+T.
You can press that command right from the web site you are on.
New Window, CTRL+N
You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here.
New incognito Window.
History sub menu.
I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!
History, CTRL+H
So, there is a key command for reading your history.
You can read a few sites you were on right here.
I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu.
Downloads, CTRL+J
There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with Chrome.
Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu.
I will press right arrow, to open this.
I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D
That command will bookmark the page you are reading.
Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B
That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. I do not want that.
Here is the important one.
manage bookmarks
The command is, CTRL+Shift+O
In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome.
On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up.
That is all for manage bookmarks.
Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings.
press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their corresponding folders.
Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.
Very important!
Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices.
Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one.
To save a web site as a bookmark,
Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved.
I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu!
I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we entered by just pressing alt.
The next few are very self explanatory.
The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu.
I will press right arrow on this.
I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S.
Next, Save to desktop.
This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file menu in IE.
It is hidden under this more tools submenu.
Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key.
Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on.
These are the same as add ons, in IE.
I will press left arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are back to the virticle Chrome menu.
The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu.
If you press the left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help system, just like in other programs, so that is all I will say about help.
Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in Brows mode.
Section Four:
Adjusting Settings and Advanced settings:
Now that this web page is open, I will just down arrow down the page and we will deal with each setting.
Important:
I have already signed into Chrome.
So now, arrow down until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter.
You just enter your email address and password, I think it has to be the same email address and password that you used to set up your Google account.
I am not sure about this.
You do not need to sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your activity between all devices that you have Chrome on. That is the only advantage of signing in.
I will continue with what I hear after you have signed in.
If you do not sign in, press H until you hear Appearance.
Each group of settings is a heading that you can get to by pressing H. This makes it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the group of settings you want to work with.
Now, because I have signed in, this is what I hear before getting to appearance.
The first thing you hear:
Settings.
That is the very top of the web page.
Down arrow, and you hear:
Main Menu Button.
That will just take you back to the virticle menu we were in.
If you down arrow again, you will just hear blank.
Down arrow, again, and you hear:
Settings again, but now, this is a heading. You can get here just by pressing H at the top of the page.
If you down arrow, you hear:
Search Settings.
This is where you can type in a setting that you want to change.
Down arrow again, and there is the edit field where you type in the setting you want to work with.
Down arrow again, and you hear another heading saying people.
Down arrow again, and I hear David Clickable.
This is because I have already signed into Chrome.
Down arrow again, and I hear my Gmail email address.
Again, this is because I have already signed into Chrome to sync my settings and all of that.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Edit person.
This is where I could change my name.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Sign Out.
This is because I have already signed in to Chrome.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Sync.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
On, Sync everything.
This is a combo box, where you can choose what to sinc; I chose everything in this combo box.
Again, all of this is because I have signed into Chrome already.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Sync button.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Manage other people clickable.
Don't worry about the clickables. There is a clickable for many things, but then there is the button you enter on right after that.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Manage other people button.
This is what you would press enter on to set up another user.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Import bookmarks and settings Clickable:
Down arrow again, and you actually hear
Import bookmarks and settings button.
Here, you press enter and import all of your bookmarks and settings from other Browsers like IE.
This is another way of doing this, because remember,
We had a choice of manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the virticle menu.
There is more than one place to do things in Chrome.
Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for heading, to get to.
Now, we have gotten to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear:
themes, which I did nothing with.
Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and more.
Then, you hear Themes button.
Do nothing with this.
Next, you hear:
Show home clickable.
Just skip that.
There are many buttons that say clickable, and then there is a button that you actually press enter on to work with it.
Just work with the buttons, and skip over these vclickables.
Down arrow, and you have an edit box where you can put in your home page you want to get to by pressing Alt+Home.
Next, there is the home button toggle.
Press the spacebar to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the home button show at the top of the Chrome Window.
I have it checked.
Now, there are two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a custom web address.
Search Heading:
We are at another heading, where you can set your search Engine.
There is a combo box below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to have my searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of Bing.
Next heading:
Default Browser.
Here, you can choose weather you want Chrome to be your default browser or not.
Just leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser.
Next Important heading:
On Start up.
Here is where you put in your URL that you want to show as soon as you start Chrome.
There are three radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a specific page or pages, which is the third radio button.
Under this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want to open when you start Chrome.
Under this, there is a link where you can add more pages you want to show when Chrome starts up.
Now, we are up to the search engin heading.
This is a heading.
There are headings on this settings page.
I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box.
The next heading, is on start up.
Finally, here is where you set up your home page.
There are three radio buttons here.
I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages.
Next, I was able to enter:
www.Google.Com.
That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome.
Next important group of settings, the advanced settings.
Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before more headings of settings will show.
The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show more headings of settings.
Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of settings.
There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings.
Privacy and security heading:
Down arrow from here, and you hear:
Use a web service to resolve navigation errors.
You have a clickable, and a toggle.
Press spacebar to toggle this on or off.
Again, ignore the clickables.
Now you have:
Use a prodiction service to enable you in searches.
I left this unchecked.
Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages:
I checked this with spacebar.
The next three settings I just left alone.
I checked the one that says:
Use a web service to help with spelling.
I leave manage certificates alone.
Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading.
We are still working with the same heading.
The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button.
This was available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this.
Now, we get to the next heading of settings.
Passwords and forms:
Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome save passwords.
Languages Heading:
I did nothing with this.
Downloads heading:
This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved on your computer.
Printing heading:
I did nothing with this.
Accessibility heading:
I did nothing with this.
Now, we have the System heading:
Down arrow, and you hear:
Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed.
I have this unchecked.
Next,
Use hard ware excelloration when Available.
I have this checked.
Next, you hear:
Open proxy settings button.
I left this alone.
Last Heading LOL!
Reset.
Here, you can reset all settings back to their origional.
We are done with Settings.
Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site.
This settings web page, opens in another tab.
That is it for settings.
Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see these, unless you press enter to expand these.
Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where we were with the settings.
You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings choice.
I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center to get a lot of help using Chrome.
To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL.
Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and Watching movies, and so on.
For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE.
Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact same.
This is the end of the tutorial.
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*From: *Monte Single <mailto:mrsingle@sasktel.net> *Sent: *Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:25 PM *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi David,
Please post your tutorial again; especially for those of us who are not always paying attention to all details.
Thanks,
Monte
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *David Moore *Sent:* May-06-18 4:21 PM *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now
Hi all!
I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.
I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.
If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.
I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.
Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.
CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up.
Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing.
Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!
David Moore
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I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.
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Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old version due to navigational sounds.
Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.
On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.
Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.
To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.
Brian
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Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now
I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.
This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.
If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider. You may have other or different considerations as well.
The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.
I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.
I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.
The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.
The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.
I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.
But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:
It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.
I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.
There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.
One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works. It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done. If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history. Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.
If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use. and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.
Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.
So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.
I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.
If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.
Gene
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I would like to change to Chrome, but none of the shortcuts keys at all seem to work when I'm using NVDA. I don't know what could possibly be the trouble.
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On 5/9/2018 3:55 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote: Hi, Angela,
I'm thinking of changing to chrome. It truly is much faster than IE. I really like how you can watch youtube videos on it. I don't think chrome is really that hard to learn either.
Rosemarie
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Hi,
I have to say I finally made the change|! I decided to use Chrome as my primary browser because it is fast and does not chrash like IE... Ie is too slow and does not work well anymore.
We have to stay up to date and that's what I am trying to do and if one has no prejudice we can do everything... I mean, it is not so hard to learn Chrome, it is easier than I expected.. So, thank you to nvda group who helped me to move forward! Best. Angela from Italy
Il 09/05/2018 18:07, brian ha scritto:
If and chrome has first naavigation then and only will I switch to it from ie thats the reason that so many blind people still use ie because of first letter navigation if you have a lot of favorites or bookmarcks thats a lots of down arrowing just to get to the one that you want. this is a lack in googles part since ie has always had this feature so why can't chrome have it/? I know that nvda does work with chrome so if this could beadded then I think that more blind people would switch to chrome. Google just doesn't get it.
Brian Sackrider
On 5/8/2018 7:55 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:
Interesting, when I cursor through the bookmarks in Chrome on my system it works and activates the bookmark when I press enter on one of them. I haven't had a problem with this issue at all.
Dan Beaver
On 5/8/2018 7:45 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
I notice Chrome does not have "first letter navigation" for the bookmarks. I had to arrow down until I found the one I wanted. Also, when I press Enter on a bookmark, it does not activate. I had to go into the applications key to activate the option "open in new window".
On 5/8/2018 2:43 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,
For the curious, you get to the toolbar by pressing Alt+Shift+T. Focus is placed on the first item, then you can arrow left and right through the toolbars.
All the best
Steve
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Sorry about this message, I meant NVDA doesn’t see the toolbar, but neither does JAWS.
All the best
Steve
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Hi,
Excellent tutorial.
The only thing it doesn’t touch on is how you access the toolbar. Someone installed the High Contrast accessibility extension today and asked me how to enable/disable it, or how to change the colour invertion. According to help, you have to click it from the toolbar, but it seems that JAWS doesn’t see it.
Any ideas please?
All the best
Steve
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Hi all!
No problem at all.
I will paste my text tutorial right here in the message so you can all read it here or copy and paste it somewhere on your computer. Here is the tutorial on using Chrome!
Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser
By David Moore
This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome.
I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial, because they all work the same in Chrome.
Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.
I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome.
There should be a shortcut on your desktop.
Section One:
Launching Chrome:
One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS say Chrome.
However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut icon on your desktop.
So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to open Chrome.
The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google Chrome icon on your desktop.
The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get undesirable results.
Section Two:
Bringing up a web site.
Press CTRL+L or Alt+D
and type the following:
www.freedomscientific.com
The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly.
All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome.
Section Three:
The Virticle Chrome menu:
I will press Alt+F.
The Chrome menu is open.
This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down arrow through.
I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.
New Tab, CTRL+T.
You can press that command right from the web site you are on.
New Window, CTRL+N
You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here.
New incognito Window.
History sub menu.
I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!
History, CTRL+H
So, there is a key command for reading your history.
You can read a few sites you were on right here.
I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu.
Downloads, CTRL+J
There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with Chrome.
Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu.
I will press right arrow, to open this.
I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D
That command will bookmark the page you are reading.
Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B
That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. I do not want that.
Here is the important one.
manage bookmarks
The command is, CTRL+Shift+O
In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome.
On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up.
That is all for manage bookmarks.
Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings.
press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their corresponding folders.
Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.
Very important!
Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices.
Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one.
To save a web site as a bookmark,
Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved.
I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu!
I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we entered by just pressing alt.
The next few are very self explanatory.
The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu.
I will press right arrow on this.
I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S.
Next, Save to desktop.
This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file menu in IE.
It is hidden under this more tools submenu.
Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key.
Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on.
These are the same as add ons, in IE.
I will press left arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are back to the virticle Chrome menu.
The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu.
If you press the left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help system, just like in other programs, so that is all I will say about help.
Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in Brows mode.
Section Four:
Adjusting Settings and Advanced settings:
Now that this web page is open, I will just down arrow down the page and we will deal with each setting.
Important:
I have already signed into Chrome.
So now, arrow down until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter.
You just enter your email address and password, I think it has to be the same email address and password that you used to set up your Google account.
I am not sure about this.
You do not need to sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your activity between all devices that you have Chrome on. That is the only advantage of signing in.
I will continue with what I hear after you have signed in.
If you do not sign in, press H until you hear Appearance.
Each group of settings is a heading that you can get to by pressing H. This makes it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the group of settings you want to work with.
Now, because I have signed in, this is what I hear before getting to appearance.
The first thing you hear:
Settings.
That is the very top of the web page.
Down arrow, and you hear:
Main Menu Button.
That will just take you back to the virticle menu we were in.
If you down arrow again, you will just hear blank.
Down arrow, again, and you hear:
Settings again, but now, this is a heading. You can get here just by pressing H at the top of the page.
If you down arrow, you hear:
Search Settings.
This is where you can type in a setting that you want to change.
Down arrow again, and there is the edit field where you type in the setting you want to work with.
Down arrow again, and you hear another heading saying people.
Down arrow again, and I hear David Clickable.
This is because I have already signed into Chrome.
Down arrow again, and I hear my Gmail email address.
Again, this is because I have already signed into Chrome to sync my settings and all of that.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Edit person.
This is where I could change my name.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Sign Out.
This is because I have already signed in to Chrome.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Sync.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
On, Sync everything.
This is a combo box, where you can choose what to sinc; I chose everything in this combo box.
Again, all of this is because I have signed into Chrome already.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Sync button.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Manage other people clickable.
Don't worry about the clickables. There is a clickable for many things, but then there is the button you enter on right after that.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Manage other people button.
This is what you would press enter on to set up another user.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Import bookmarks and settings Clickable:
Down arrow again, and you actually hear
Import bookmarks and settings button.
Here, you press enter and import all of your bookmarks and settings from other Browsers like IE.
This is another way of doing this, because remember,
We had a choice of manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the virticle menu.
There is more than one place to do things in Chrome.
Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for heading, to get to.
Now, we have gotten to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear:
themes, which I did nothing with.
Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and more.
Then, you hear Themes button.
Do nothing with this.
Next, you hear:
Show home clickable.
Just skip that.
There are many buttons that say clickable, and then there is a button that you actually press enter on to work with it.
Just work with the buttons, and skip over these vclickables.
Down arrow, and you have an edit box where you can put in your home page you want to get to by pressing Alt+Home.
Next, there is the home button toggle.
Press the spacebar to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the home button show at the top of the Chrome Window.
I have it checked.
Now, there are two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a custom web address.
Search Heading:
We are at another heading, where you can set your search Engine.
There is a combo box below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to have my searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of Bing.
Next heading:
Default Browser.
Here, you can choose weather you want Chrome to be your default browser or not.
Just leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser.
Next Important heading:
On Start up.
Here is where you put in your URL that you want to show as soon as you start Chrome.
There are three radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a specific page or pages, which is the third radio button.
Under this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want to open when you start Chrome.
Under this, there is a link where you can add more pages you want to show when Chrome starts up.
Now, we are up to the search engin heading.
This is a heading.
There are headings on this settings page.
I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box.
The next heading, is on start up.
Finally, here is where you set up your home page.
There are three radio buttons here.
I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages.
Next, I was able to enter:
www.Google.Com.
That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome.
Next important group of settings, the advanced settings.
Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before more headings of settings will show.
The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show more headings of settings.
Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of settings.
There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings.
Privacy and security heading:
Down arrow from here, and you hear:
Use a web service to resolve navigation errors.
You have a clickable, and a toggle.
Press spacebar to toggle this on or off.
Again, ignore the clickables.
Now you have:
Use a prodiction service to enable you in searches.
I left this unchecked.
Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages:
I checked this with spacebar.
The next three settings I just left alone.
I checked the one that says:
Use a web service to help with spelling.
I leave manage certificates alone.
Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading.
We are still working with the same heading.
The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button.
This was available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this.
Now, we get to the next heading of settings.
Passwords and forms:
Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome save passwords.
Languages Heading:
I did nothing with this.
Downloads heading:
This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved on your computer.
Printing heading:
I did nothing with this.
Accessibility heading:
I did nothing with this.
Now, we have the System heading:
Down arrow, and you hear:
Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed.
I have this unchecked.
Next,
Use hard ware excelloration when Available.
I have this checked.
Next, you hear:
Open proxy settings button.
I left this alone.
Last Heading LOL!
Reset.
Here, you can reset all settings back to their origional.
We are done with Settings.
Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site.
This settings web page, opens in another tab.
That is it for settings.
Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see these, unless you press enter to expand these.
Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where we were with the settings.
You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings choice.
I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center to get a lot of help using Chrome.
To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL.
Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and Watching movies, and so on.
For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE.
Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact same.
This is the end of the tutorial.
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*From: *Monte Single <mailto:mrsingle@sasktel.net> *Sent: *Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:25 PM *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi David,
Please post your tutorial again; especially for those of us who are not always paying attention to all details.
Thanks,
Monte
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *David Moore *Sent:* May-06-18 4:21 PM *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now
Hi all!
I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.
I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.
If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.
I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.
Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.
CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up.
Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing.
Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!
David Moore
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I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.
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Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old version due to navigational sounds.
Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.
On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.
Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.
To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.
Brian
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I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.
This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.
If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider. You may have other or different considerations as well.
The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.
I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.
I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.
The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.
The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.
I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.
But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:
It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.
I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.
There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.
One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works. It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done. If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history. Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.
If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use. and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.
Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.
So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.
I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.
If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.
Gene
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Those commands are Chrome commands, so I would try a re-install of Chrome.
Cheers Chris
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of kelby carlson Sent: 9 May 2018 21:58 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now I would like to change to Chrome, but none of the shortcuts keys at all seem to work when I'm using NVDA. I don't know what could possibly be the trouble. On 5/9/2018 3:55 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote: Hi, Angela,
I'm thinking of changing to chrome. It truly is much faster than IE. I really like how you can watch youtube videos on it. I don't think chrome is really that hard to learn either.
Rosemarie
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angela Delicata Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 10:36 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi,
I have to say I finally made the change|! I decided to use Chrome as my primary browser because it is fast and does not chrash like IE... Ie is too slow and does not work well anymore.
We have to stay up to date and that's what I am trying to do and if one has no prejudice we can do everything... I mean, it is not so hard to learn Chrome, it is easier than I expected.. So, thank you to nvda group who helped me to move forward! Best. Angela from Italy
Il 09/05/2018 18:07, brian ha scritto:
If and chrome has first naavigation then and only will I switch to it from ie thats the reason that so many blind people still use ie because of first letter navigation if you have a lot of favorites or bookmarcks thats a lots of down arrowing just to get to the one that you want. this is a lack in googles part since ie has always had this feature so why can't chrome have it/? I know that nvda does work with chrome so if this could beadded then I think that more blind people would switch to chrome. Google just doesn't get it.
Brian Sackrider
On 5/8/2018 7:55 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:
Interesting, when I cursor through the bookmarks in Chrome on my system it works and activates the bookmark when I press enter on one of them. I haven't had a problem with this issue at all.
Dan Beaver
On 5/8/2018 7:45 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
I notice Chrome does not have "first letter navigation" for the bookmarks. I had to arrow down until I found the one I wanted. Also, when I press Enter on a bookmark, it does not activate. I had to go into the applications key to activate the option "open in new window".
On 5/8/2018 2:43 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,
For the curious, you get to the toolbar by pressing Alt+Shift+T. Focus is placed on the first item, then you can arrow left and right through the toolbars.
All the best
Steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Steve Nutt *Sent:* 08 May 2018 19:37 *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Sorry about this message, I meant NVDA doesn’t see the toolbar, but neither does JAWS.
All the best
Steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Steve Nutt *Sent:* 08 May 2018 19:19 *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi,
Excellent tutorial.
The only thing it doesn’t touch on is how you access the toolbar. Someone installed the High Contrast accessibility extension today and asked me how to enable/disable it, or how to change the colour invertion. According to help, you have to click it from the toolbar, but it seems that JAWS doesn’t see it.
Any ideas please?
All the best
Steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *David Moore *Sent:* 06 May 2018 23:29 *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi all!
No problem at all.
I will paste my text tutorial right here in the message so you can all read it here or copy and paste it somewhere on your computer. Here is the tutorial on using Chrome!
Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser
By David Moore
This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome.
I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial, because they all work the same in Chrome.
Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.
I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome.
There should be a shortcut on your desktop.
Section One:
Launching Chrome:
One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS say Chrome.
However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut icon on your desktop.
So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to open Chrome.
The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google Chrome icon on your desktop.
The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get undesirable results.
Section Two:
Bringing up a web site.
Press CTRL+L or Alt+D
and type the following:
www.freedomscientific.com
The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly.
All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome.
Section Three:
The Virticle Chrome menu:
I will press Alt+F.
The Chrome menu is open.
This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down arrow through.
I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.
New Tab, CTRL+T.
You can press that command right from the web site you are on.
New Window, CTRL+N
You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here.
New incognito Window.
History sub menu.
I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!
History, CTRL+H
So, there is a key command for reading your history.
You can read a few sites you were on right here.
I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu.
Downloads, CTRL+J
There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with Chrome.
Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu.
I will press right arrow, to open this.
I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D
That command will bookmark the page you are reading.
Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B
That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. I do not want that.
Here is the important one.
manage bookmarks
The command is, CTRL+Shift+O
In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome.
On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up.
That is all for manage bookmarks.
Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings.
press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their corresponding folders.
Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.
Very important!
Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices.
Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one.
To save a web site as a bookmark,
Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved.
I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu!
I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we entered by just pressing alt.
The next few are very self explanatory.
The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu.
I will press right arrow on this.
I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S.
Next, Save to desktop.
This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file menu in IE.
It is hidden under this more tools submenu.
Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key.
Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on.
These are the same as add ons, in IE.
I will press left arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are back to the virticle Chrome menu.
The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu.
If you press the left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help system, just like in other programs, so that is all I will say about help.
Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in Brows mode.
Section Four:
Adjusting Settings and Advanced settings:
Now that this web page is open, I will just down arrow down the page and we will deal with each setting.
Important:
I have already signed into Chrome.
So now, arrow down until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter.
You just enter your email address and password, I think it has to be the same email address and password that you used to set up your Google account.
I am not sure about this.
You do not need to sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your activity between all devices that you have Chrome on. That is the only advantage of signing in.
I will continue with what I hear after you have signed in.
If you do not sign in, press H until you hear Appearance.
Each group of settings is a heading that you can get to by pressing H. This makes it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the group of settings you want to work with.
Now, because I have signed in, this is what I hear before getting to appearance.
The first thing you hear:
Settings.
That is the very top of the web page.
Down arrow, and you hear:
Main Menu Button.
That will just take you back to the virticle menu we were in.
If you down arrow again, you will just hear blank.
Down arrow, again, and you hear:
Settings again, but now, this is a heading. You can get here just by pressing H at the top of the page.
If you down arrow, you hear:
Search Settings.
This is where you can type in a setting that you want to change.
Down arrow again, and there is the edit field where you type in the setting you want to work with.
Down arrow again, and you hear another heading saying people.
Down arrow again, and I hear David Clickable.
This is because I have already signed into Chrome.
Down arrow again, and I hear my Gmail email address.
Again, this is because I have already signed into Chrome to sync my settings and all of that.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Edit person.
This is where I could change my name.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Sign Out.
This is because I have already signed in to Chrome.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Sync.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
On, Sync everything.
This is a combo box, where you can choose what to sinc; I chose everything in this combo box.
Again, all of this is because I have signed into Chrome already.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Sync button.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Manage other people clickable.
Don't worry about the clickables. There is a clickable for many things, but then there is the button you enter on right after that.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Manage other people button.
This is what you would press enter on to set up another user.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Import bookmarks and settings Clickable:
Down arrow again, and you actually hear
Import bookmarks and settings button.
Here, you press enter and import all of your bookmarks and settings from other Browsers like IE.
This is another way of doing this, because remember,
We had a choice of manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the virticle menu.
There is more than one place to do things in Chrome.
Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for heading, to get to.
Now, we have gotten to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear:
themes, which I did nothing with.
Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and more.
Then, you hear Themes button.
Do nothing with this.
Next, you hear:
Show home clickable.
Just skip that.
There are many buttons that say clickable, and then there is a button that you actually press enter on to work with it.
Just work with the buttons, and skip over these vclickables.
Down arrow, and you have an edit box where you can put in your home page you want to get to by pressing Alt+Home.
Next, there is the home button toggle.
Press the spacebar to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the home button show at the top of the Chrome Window.
I have it checked.
Now, there are two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a custom web address.
Search Heading:
We are at another heading, where you can set your search Engine.
There is a combo box below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to have my searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of Bing.
Next heading:
Default Browser.
Here, you can choose weather you want Chrome to be your default browser or not.
Just leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser.
Next Important heading:
On Start up.
Here is where you put in your URL that you want to show as soon as you start Chrome.
There are three radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a specific page or pages, which is the third radio button.
Under this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want to open when you start Chrome.
Under this, there is a link where you can add more pages you want to show when Chrome starts up.
Now, we are up to the search engin heading.
This is a heading.
There are headings on this settings page.
I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box.
The next heading, is on start up.
Finally, here is where you set up your home page.
There are three radio buttons here.
I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages.
Next, I was able to enter:
www.Google.Com.
That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome.
Next important group of settings, the advanced settings.
Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before more headings of settings will show.
The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show more headings of settings.
Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of settings.
There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings.
Privacy and security heading:
Down arrow from here, and you hear:
Use a web service to resolve navigation errors.
You have a clickable, and a toggle.
Press spacebar to toggle this on or off.
Again, ignore the clickables.
Now you have:
Use a prodiction service to enable you in searches.
I left this unchecked.
Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages:
I checked this with spacebar.
The next three settings I just left alone.
I checked the one that says:
Use a web service to help with spelling.
I leave manage certificates alone.
Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading.
We are still working with the same heading.
The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button.
This was available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this.
Now, we get to the next heading of settings.
Passwords and forms:
Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome save passwords.
Languages Heading:
I did nothing with this.
Downloads heading:
This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved on your computer.
Printing heading:
I did nothing with this.
Accessibility heading:
I did nothing with this.
Now, we have the System heading:
Down arrow, and you hear:
Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed.
I have this unchecked.
Next,
Use hard ware excelloration when Available.
I have this checked.
Next, you hear:
Open proxy settings button.
I left this alone.
Last Heading LOL!
Reset.
Here, you can reset all settings back to their origional.
We are done with Settings.
Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site.
This settings web page, opens in another tab.
That is it for settings.
Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see these, unless you press enter to expand these.
Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where we were with the settings.
You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings choice.
I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center to get a lot of help using Chrome.
To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL.
Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and Watching movies, and so on.
For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE.
Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact same.
This is the end of the tutorial.
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*From: *Monte Single <mailto:mrsingle@sasktel.net> *Sent: *Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:25 PM *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi David,
Please post your tutorial again; especially for those of us who are not always paying attention to all details.
Thanks,
Monte
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *David Moore *Sent:* May-06-18 4:21 PM *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now
Hi all!
I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.
I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.
If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.
I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.
Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.
CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up.
Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing.
Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!
David Moore
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*From: *juan gonzalez <mailto:jgonzalezh614@hotmail.com> *Sent: *Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now
I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.
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Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old version due to navigational sounds.
Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.
On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.
Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.
To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.
Brian
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Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now
I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.
This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.
If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider. You may have other or different considerations as well.
The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.
I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.
I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.
The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.
The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.
I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.
But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:
It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.
I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.
There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.
One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works. It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done. If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history. Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.
If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use. and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.
Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.
So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.
I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.
If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.
Gene
-- Rich De Steno
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I figured out what the problem was. If the window is not maximized, those commands don't work.
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On May 9, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@gmail.com> wrote:
Those commands are Chrome commands, so I would try a re-install of Chrome.
Cheers Chris
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of kelby carlson Sent: 9 May 2018 21:58 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
I would like to change to Chrome, but none of the shortcuts keys at all seem to work when I'm using NVDA. I don't know what could possibly be the trouble.
On 5/9/2018 3:55 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote: Hi, Angela,
I'm thinking of changing to chrome. It truly is much faster than IE. I really like how you can watch youtube videos on it. I don't think chrome is really that hard to learn either.
Rosemarie
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angela Delicata Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 10:36 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi,
I have to say I finally made the change|! I decided to use Chrome as my primary browser because it is fast and does not chrash like IE... Ie is too slow and does not work well anymore.
We have to stay up to date and that's what I am trying to do and if one has no prejudice we can do everything... I mean, it is not so hard to learn Chrome, it is easier than I expected.. So, thank you to nvda group who helped me to move forward! Best. Angela from Italy
Il 09/05/2018 18:07, brian ha scritto:
If and chrome has first naavigation then and only will I switch to it from ie thats the reason that so many blind people still use ie because of first letter navigation if you have a lot of favorites or bookmarcks thats a lots of down arrowing just to get to the one that you want. this is a lack in googles part since ie has always had this feature so why can't chrome have it/? I know that nvda does work with chrome so if this could beadded then I think that more blind people would switch to chrome. Google just doesn't get it.
Brian Sackrider
On 5/8/2018 7:55 PM, Dan Beaver wrote: Interesting, when I cursor through the bookmarks in Chrome on my system it works and activates the bookmark when I press enter on one of them. I haven't had a problem with this issue at all.
Dan Beaver
On 5/8/2018 7:45 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: I notice Chrome does not have "first letter navigation" for the bookmarks. I had to arrow down until I found the one I wanted. Also, when I press Enter on a bookmark, it does not activate. I had to go into the applications key to activate the option "open in new window".
On 5/8/2018 2:43 PM, Steve Nutt wrote: Hi,
For the curious, you get to the toolbar by pressing Alt+Shift+T. Focus is placed on the first item, then you can arrow left and right through the toolbars.
All the best
Steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Steve Nutt *Sent:* 08 May 2018 19:37 *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Sorry about this message, I meant NVDA doesn’t see the toolbar, but neither does JAWS.
All the best
Steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Steve Nutt *Sent:* 08 May 2018 19:19 *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi,
Excellent tutorial.
The only thing it doesn’t touch on is how you access the toolbar. Someone installed the High Contrast accessibility extension today and asked me how to enable/disable it, or how to change the colour invertion. According to help, you have to click it from the toolbar, but it seems that JAWS doesn’t see it.
Any ideas please?
All the best
Steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *David Moore *Sent:* 06 May 2018 23:29 *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi all!
No problem at all.
I will paste my text tutorial right here in the message so you can all read it here or copy and paste it somewhere on your computer. Here is the tutorial on using Chrome!
Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser
By David Moore
This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome.
I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial, because they all work the same in Chrome.
Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.
I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome.
There should be a shortcut on your desktop.
Section One:
Launching Chrome:
One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS say Chrome.
However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut icon on your desktop.
So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to open Chrome.
The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google Chrome icon on your desktop.
The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get undesirable results.
Section Two:
Bringing up a web site.
Press CTRL+L or Alt+D
and type the following:
www.freedomscientific.com
The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly.
All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome.
Section Three:
The Virticle Chrome menu:
I will press Alt+F.
The Chrome menu is open.
This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down arrow through.
I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.
New Tab, CTRL+T.
You can press that command right from the web site you are on.
New Window, CTRL+N
You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here.
New incognito Window.
History sub menu.
I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!
History, CTRL+H
So, there is a key command for reading your history.
You can read a few sites you were on right here.
I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu.
Downloads, CTRL+J
There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with Chrome.
Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu.
I will press right arrow, to open this.
I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D
That command will bookmark the page you are reading.
Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B
That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. I do not want that.
Here is the important one.
manage bookmarks
The command is, CTRL+Shift+O
In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome.
On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up.
That is all for manage bookmarks.
Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings.
press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their corresponding folders.
Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.
Very important!
Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices.
Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one.
To save a web site as a bookmark,
Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved.
I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu!
I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we entered by just pressing alt.
The next few are very self explanatory.
The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu.
I will press right arrow on this.
I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S.
Next, Save to desktop.
This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file menu in IE.
It is hidden under this more tools submenu.
Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key.
Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on.
These are the same as add ons, in IE.
I will press left arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are back to the virticle Chrome menu.
The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu.
If you press the left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help system, just like in other programs, so that is all I will say about help.
Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in Brows mode.
Section Four:
Adjusting Settings and Advanced settings:
Now that this web page is open, I will just down arrow down the page and we will deal with each setting.
Important:
I have already signed into Chrome.
So now, arrow down until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter.
You just enter your email address and password, I think it has to be the same email address and password that you used to set up your Google account.
I am not sure about this.
You do not need to sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your activity between all devices that you have Chrome on. That is the only advantage of signing in.
I will continue with what I hear after you have signed in.
If you do not sign in, press H until you hear Appearance.
Each group of settings is a heading that you can get to by pressing H. This makes it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the group of settings you want to work with.
Now, because I have signed in, this is what I hear before getting to appearance.
The first thing you hear:
Settings.
That is the very top of the web page.
Down arrow, and you hear:
Main Menu Button.
That will just take you back to the virticle menu we were in.
If you down arrow again, you will just hear blank.
Down arrow, again, and you hear:
Settings again, but now, this is a heading. You can get here just by pressing H at the top of the page.
If you down arrow, you hear:
Search Settings.
This is where you can type in a setting that you want to change.
Down arrow again, and there is the edit field where you type in the setting you want to work with.
Down arrow again, and you hear another heading saying people.
Down arrow again, and I hear David Clickable.
This is because I have already signed into Chrome.
Down arrow again, and I hear my Gmail email address.
Again, this is because I have already signed into Chrome to sync my settings and all of that.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Edit person.
This is where I could change my name.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Sign Out.
This is because I have already signed in to Chrome.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Sync.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
On, Sync everything.
This is a combo box, where you can choose what to sinc; I chose everything in this combo box.
Again, all of this is because I have signed into Chrome already.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Sync button.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Manage other people clickable.
Don't worry about the clickables. There is a clickable for many things, but then there is the button you enter on right after that.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Manage other people button.
This is what you would press enter on to set up another user.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Import bookmarks and settings Clickable:
Down arrow again, and you actually hear
Import bookmarks and settings button.
Here, you press enter and import all of your bookmarks and settings from other Browsers like IE.
This is another way of doing this, because remember,
We had a choice of manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the virticle menu.
There is more than one place to do things in Chrome.
Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for heading, to get to.
Now, we have gotten to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear:
themes, which I did nothing with.
Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and more.
Then, you hear Themes button.
Do nothing with this.
Next, you hear:
Show home clickable.
Just skip that.
There are many buttons that say clickable, and then there is a button that you actually press enter on to work with it.
Just work with the buttons, and skip over these vclickables.
Down arrow, and you have an edit box where you can put in your home page you want to get to by pressing Alt+Home.
Next, there is the home button toggle.
Press the spacebar to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the home button show at the top of the Chrome Window.
I have it checked.
Now, there are two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a custom web address.
Search Heading:
We are at another heading, where you can set your search Engine.
There is a combo box below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to have my searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of Bing.
Next heading:
Default Browser.
Here, you can choose weather you want Chrome to be your default browser or not.
Just leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser.
Next Important heading:
On Start up.
Here is where you put in your URL that you want to show as soon as you start Chrome.
There are three radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a specific page or pages, which is the third radio button.
Under this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want to open when you start Chrome.
Under this, there is a link where you can add more pages you want to show when Chrome starts up.
Now, we are up to the search engin heading.
This is a heading.
There are headings on this settings page.
I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box.
The next heading, is on start up.
Finally, here is where you set up your home page.
There are three radio buttons here.
I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages.
Next, I was able to enter:
www.Google.Com.
That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome.
Next important group of settings, the advanced settings.
Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before more headings of settings will show.
The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show more headings of settings.
Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of settings.
There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings.
Privacy and security heading:
Down arrow from here, and you hear:
Use a web service to resolve navigation errors.
You have a clickable, and a toggle.
Press spacebar to toggle this on or off.
Again, ignore the clickables.
Now you have:
Use a prodiction service to enable you in searches.
I left this unchecked.
Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages:
I checked this with spacebar.
The next three settings I just left alone.
I checked the one that says:
Use a web service to help with spelling.
I leave manage certificates alone.
Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading.
We are still working with the same heading.
The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button.
This was available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this.
Now, we get to the next heading of settings.
Passwords and forms:
Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome save passwords.
Languages Heading:
I did nothing with this.
Downloads heading:
This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved on your computer.
Printing heading:
I did nothing with this.
Accessibility heading:
I did nothing with this.
Now, we have the System heading:
Down arrow, and you hear:
Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed.
I have this unchecked.
Next,
Use hard ware excelloration when Available.
I have this checked.
Next, you hear:
Open proxy settings button.
I left this alone.
Last Heading LOL!
Reset.
Here, you can reset all settings back to their origional.
We are done with Settings.
Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site.
This settings web page, opens in another tab.
That is it for settings.
Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see these, unless you press enter to expand these.
Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where we were with the settings.
You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings choice.
I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center to get a lot of help using Chrome.
To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL.
Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and Watching movies, and so on.
For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE.
Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact same.
This is the end of the tutorial.
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*From: *Monte Single <mailto:mrsingle@sasktel.net> *Sent: *Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:25 PM *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi David,
Please post your tutorial again; especially for those of us who are not always paying attention to all details.
Thanks,
Monte
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *David Moore *Sent:* May-06-18 4:21 PM *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now
Hi all!
I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.
I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.
If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.
I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.
Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.
CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up.
Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing.
Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!
David Moore
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I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.
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Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old version due to navigational sounds.
Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.
On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.
Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.
To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.
Brian
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Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now
I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.
This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.
If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider. You may have other or different considerations as well.
The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.
I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.
I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.
The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.
The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.
I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.
But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:
It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.
I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.
There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.
One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works. It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done. If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history. Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.
If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use. and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.
Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.
So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.
I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.
If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.
Gene
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No, what you need is accomplished by using alt+d like on Firefox.
And I tried also your command which works for me either, i did it just now.
Tab also works here.
I am exploring Chrome, this is the best way to learn for me.
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Il 09/05/2018 21:20, kelby carlson ha scritto: So, I am trying to use Chrome but for some reason the keyboard shortcuts don't seem to work. For example, ctrl+l doesn't get me to the address bar. And when I press tab it doesn't move through elements on the page.
On 5/9/2018 1:36 PM, Angela Delicata wrote:
Hi,
I have to say I finally made the change|! I decided to use Chrome as my primary browser because it is fast and does not chrash like IE... Ie is too slow and does not work well anymore.
We have to stay up to date and that's what I am trying to do and if one has no prejudice we can do everything... I mean, it is not so hard to learn Chrome, it is easier than I expected.. So, thank you to nvda group who helped me to move forward! Best. Angela from Italy
Il 09/05/2018 18:07, brian ha scritto:
If and chrome has first naavigation then and only will I switch to it from ie thats the reason that so many blind people still use ie because of first letter navigation if you have a lot of favorites or bookmarcks thats a lots of down arrowing just to get to the one that you want. this is a lack in googles part since ie has always had this feature so why can't chrome have it/? I know that nvda does work with chrome so if this could beadded then I think that more blind people would switch to chrome. Google just doesn't get it.
Brian Sackrider
On 5/8/2018 7:55 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:
Interesting, when I cursor through the bookmarks in Chrome on my system it works and activates the bookmark when I press enter on one of them. I haven't had a problem with this issue at all.
Dan Beaver
On 5/8/2018 7:45 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
I notice Chrome does not have "first letter navigation" for the bookmarks. I had to arrow down until I found the one I wanted. Also, when I press Enter on a bookmark, it does not activate. I had to go into the applications key to activate the option "open in new window".
On 5/8/2018 2:43 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,
For the curious, you get to the toolbar by pressing Alt+Shift+T. Focus is placed on the first item, then you can arrow left and right through the toolbars.
All the best
Steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Steve Nutt *Sent:* 08 May 2018 19:37 *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Sorry about this message, I meant NVDA doesn’t see the toolbar, but neither does JAWS.
All the best
Steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Steve Nutt *Sent:* 08 May 2018 19:19 *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi,
Excellent tutorial.
The only thing it doesn’t touch on is how you access the toolbar. Someone installed the High Contrast accessibility extension today and asked me how to enable/disable it, or how to change the colour invertion. According to help, you have to click it from the toolbar, but it seems that JAWS doesn’t see it.
Any ideas please?
All the best
Steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *David Moore *Sent:* 06 May 2018 23:29 *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi all!
No problem at all.
I will paste my text tutorial right here in the message so you can all read it here or copy and paste it somewhere on your computer. Here is the tutorial on using Chrome!
Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser
By David Moore
This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome.
I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial, because they all work the same in Chrome.
Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.
I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome.
There should be a shortcut on your desktop.
Section One:
Launching Chrome:
One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS say Chrome.
However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut icon on your desktop.
So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to open Chrome.
The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google Chrome icon on your desktop.
The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get undesirable results.
Section Two:
Bringing up a web site.
Press CTRL+L or Alt+D
and type the following:
www.freedomscientific.com
The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly.
All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome.
Section Three:
The Virticle Chrome menu:
I will press Alt+F.
The Chrome menu is open.
This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down arrow through.
I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.
New Tab, CTRL+T.
You can press that command right from the web site you are on.
New Window, CTRL+N
You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here.
New incognito Window.
History sub menu.
I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!
History, CTRL+H
So, there is a key command for reading your history.
You can read a few sites you were on right here.
I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu.
Downloads, CTRL+J
There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with Chrome.
Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu.
I will press right arrow, to open this.
I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D
That command will bookmark the page you are reading.
Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B
That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. I do not want that.
Here is the important one.
manage bookmarks
The command is, CTRL+Shift+O
In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome.
On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up.
That is all for manage bookmarks.
Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings.
press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their corresponding folders.
Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.
Very important!
Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices.
Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one.
To save a web site as a bookmark,
Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved.
I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu!
I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we entered by just pressing alt.
The next few are very self explanatory.
The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu.
I will press right arrow on this.
I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S.
Next, Save to desktop.
This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file menu in IE.
It is hidden under this more tools submenu.
Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key.
Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on.
These are the same as add ons, in IE.
I will press left arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are back to the virticle Chrome menu.
The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu.
If you press the left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help system, just like in other programs, so that is all I will say about help.
Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in Brows mode.
Section Four:
Adjusting Settings and Advanced settings:
Now that this web page is open, I will just down arrow down the page and we will deal with each setting.
Important:
I have already signed into Chrome.
So now, arrow down until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter.
You just enter your email address and password, I think it has to be the same email address and password that you used to set up your Google account.
I am not sure about this.
You do not need to sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your activity between all devices that you have Chrome on. That is the only advantage of signing in.
I will continue with what I hear after you have signed in.
If you do not sign in, press H until you hear Appearance.
Each group of settings is a heading that you can get to by pressing H. This makes it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the group of settings you want to work with.
Now, because I have signed in, this is what I hear before getting to appearance.
The first thing you hear:
Settings.
That is the very top of the web page.
Down arrow, and you hear:
Main Menu Button.
That will just take you back to the virticle menu we were in.
If you down arrow again, you will just hear blank.
Down arrow, again, and you hear:
Settings again, but now, this is a heading. You can get here just by pressing H at the top of the page.
If you down arrow, you hear:
Search Settings.
This is where you can type in a setting that you want to change.
Down arrow again, and there is the edit field where you type in the setting you want to work with.
Down arrow again, and you hear another heading saying people.
Down arrow again, and I hear David Clickable.
This is because I have already signed into Chrome.
Down arrow again, and I hear my Gmail email address.
Again, this is because I have already signed into Chrome to sync my settings and all of that.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Edit person.
This is where I could change my name.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Sign Out.
This is because I have already signed in to Chrome.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Sync.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
On, Sync everything.
This is a combo box, where you can choose what to sinc; I chose everything in this combo box.
Again, all of this is because I have signed into Chrome already.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Sync button.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Manage other people clickable.
Don't worry about the clickables. There is a clickable for many things, but then there is the button you enter on right after that.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Manage other people button.
This is what you would press enter on to set up another user.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Import bookmarks and settings Clickable:
Down arrow again, and you actually hear
Import bookmarks and settings button.
Here, you press enter and import all of your bookmarks and settings from other Browsers like IE.
This is another way of doing this, because remember,
We had a choice of manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the virticle menu.
There is more than one place to do things in Chrome.
Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for heading, to get to.
Now, we have gotten to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear:
themes, which I did nothing with.
Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and more.
Then, you hear Themes button.
Do nothing with this.
Next, you hear:
Show home clickable.
Just skip that.
There are many buttons that say clickable, and then there is a button that you actually press enter on to work with it.
Just work with the buttons, and skip over these vclickables.
Down arrow, and you have an edit box where you can put in your home page you want to get to by pressing Alt+Home.
Next, there is the home button toggle.
Press the spacebar to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the home button show at the top of the Chrome Window.
I have it checked.
Now, there are two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a custom web address.
Search Heading:
We are at another heading, where you can set your search Engine.
There is a combo box below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to have my searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of Bing.
Next heading:
Default Browser.
Here, you can choose weather you want Chrome to be your default browser or not.
Just leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser.
Next Important heading:
On Start up.
Here is where you put in your URL that you want to show as soon as you start Chrome.
There are three radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a specific page or pages, which is the third radio button.
Under this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want to open when you start Chrome.
Under this, there is a link where you can add more pages you want to show when Chrome starts up.
Now, we are up to the search engin heading.
This is a heading.
There are headings on this settings page.
I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box.
The next heading, is on start up.
Finally, here is where you set up your home page.
There are three radio buttons here.
I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages.
Next, I was able to enter:
www.Google.Com.
That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome.
Next important group of settings, the advanced settings.
Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before more headings of settings will show.
The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show more headings of settings.
Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of settings.
There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings.
Privacy and security heading:
Down arrow from here, and you hear:
Use a web service to resolve navigation errors.
You have a clickable, and a toggle.
Press spacebar to toggle this on or off.
Again, ignore the clickables.
Now you have:
Use a prodiction service to enable you in searches.
I left this unchecked.
Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages:
I checked this with spacebar.
The next three settings I just left alone.
I checked the one that says:
Use a web service to help with spelling.
I leave manage certificates alone.
Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading.
We are still working with the same heading.
The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button.
This was available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this.
Now, we get to the next heading of settings.
Passwords and forms:
Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome save passwords.
Languages Heading:
I did nothing with this.
Downloads heading:
This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved on your computer.
Printing heading:
I did nothing with this.
Accessibility heading:
I did nothing with this.
Now, we have the System heading:
Down arrow, and you hear:
Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed.
I have this unchecked.
Next,
Use hard ware excelloration when Available.
I have this checked.
Next, you hear:
Open proxy settings button.
I left this alone.
Last Heading LOL!
Reset.
Here, you can reset all settings back to their origional.
We are done with Settings.
Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site.
This settings web page, opens in another tab.
That is it for settings.
Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see these, unless you press enter to expand these.
Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where we were with the settings.
You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings choice.
I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center to get a lot of help using Chrome.
To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL.
Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and Watching movies, and so on.
For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE.
Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact same.
This is the end of the tutorial.
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*From: *Monte Single <mailto:mrsingle@sasktel.net> *Sent: *Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:25 PM *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi David,
Please post your tutorial again; especially for those of us who are not always paying attention to all details.
Thanks,
Monte
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *David Moore *Sent:* May-06-18 4:21 PM *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now
Hi all!
I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.
I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.
If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.
I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.
Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.
CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up.
Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing.
Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!
David Moore
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I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.
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Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old version due to navigational sounds.
Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.
On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.
Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.
To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.
Brian
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Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now
I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.
This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.
If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider. You may have other or different considerations as well.
The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.
I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.
I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.
The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.
The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.
I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.
But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:
It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.
I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.
There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.
One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works. It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done. If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history. Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.
If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use. and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.
Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.
So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.
I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.
If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.
Gene
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It's not a question of using one or two alternate
commands. If alt l doesn't work, then it's likely alt d doesn't
either. But even if it does, h to move by header is an NVDA command and
that command was mentioned as another example. If h for move by header
doesn't work, then it's likely none of the browse modes such as n to skip blocks
of links or b to move to the next button do.
I don't know what would cause this but the only
thing I can suggest is to try uninstalling and reinstalling the program.
Someone with more technical knowledge may have other suggestions.
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I
like itmuchmore now
No, what you need is accomplished by using alt+d like on
Firefox. And I tried also your command which works for me either, i did
it just now. Tab also works here. I am exploring Chrome, this is
the best way to learn for me. Il 09/05/2018 21:20, kelby carlson
ha scritto: > So, I am trying to use Chrome but for some reason the
keyboard > shortcuts don't seem to work. For example, ctrl+l doesn't get
me to > the address bar. And when I press tab it doesn't move through
elements > on the page. > > > On 5/9/2018 1:36 PM,
Angela Delicata wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have to say I
finally made the change|! I decided to use Chrome as >> my primary
browser because it is fast and does not chrash like IE... >> Ie is too
slow and does not work well anymore. >> >> We have to stay up
to date and that's what I am trying to do and if >> one has no
prejudice we can do everything... I mean, it is not so >> hard to
learn Chrome, it is easier than I expected.. >> So, thank you to nvda
group who helped me to move forward! >> Best. >> Angela from
Italy >> >> Il 09/05/2018 18:07, brian ha
scritto: >>> If and chrome has first naavigation
then and only will I switch >>> to it from ie thats the reason that
so many blind people still use >>> ie because of first letter
navigation if you have a lot of favorites >>> or bookmarcks thats a
lots of down arrowing just to get to the one >>> that you want.
this is a lack in googles part since ie has always >>> had
this feature so why can't chrome have it/? I know that nvda
>>> does work with chrome so if this could beadded then I think
that >>> more blind people would switch to chrome. Google just
doesn't get it. >>> >>> Brian
Sackrider >>> >>> >>> On 5/8/2018 7:55 PM,
Dan Beaver wrote: >>>> >>>> Interesting,
when I cursor through the bookmarks in Chrome on my >>>> system
it works and activates the bookmark when I press enter on >>>>
one of them. I haven't had a problem with this issue at
all. >>>> >>>> >>>> Dan
Beaver >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/8/2018
7:45 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I
notice Chrome does not have "first letter navigation" for the
>>>>> bookmarks. I had to arrow down until I found the
one I wanted. >>>>> Also, when I press Enter on a
bookmark, it does not activate. I >>>>> had to go into
the applications key to activate the option "open >>>>> in
new
window". >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>
On 5/8/2018 2:43 PM, Steve Nutt
wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>
Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> For the curious, you
get to the toolbar by pressing Alt+Shift+T. >>>>>>
Focus is placed on the first item, then you can arrow left and
>>>>>> right through the
toolbars. >>>>>> >>>>>> All the
best >>>>>> >>>>>>
Steve >>>>>> >>>>>>
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io < nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
>>>>>> *Steve Nutt >>>>>> *Sent:* 08
May 2018 19:37 >>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io>>>>>>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome,
>>>>>> I like itmuchmore
now >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry about this
message, I meant NVDA doesn’t see the toolbar, >>>>>> but
neither does JAWS. >>>>>> >>>>>> All
the
best >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>
Steve >>>>>> >>>>>>
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io < nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
>>>>>> *Steve Nutt >>>>>> *Sent:* 08
May 2018 19:19 >>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io>>>>>>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome,
>>>>>> I like itmuchmore
now >>>>>> >>>>>>
Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Excellent
tutorial. >>>>>> >>>>>> The only thing
it doesn’t touch on is how you access the >>>>>>
toolbar. Someone installed the High Contrast accessibility
>>>>>> extension today and asked me how to enable/disable
it, or how to >>>>>> change the colour invertion.
According to help, you have to click >>>>>> it from the
toolbar, but it seems that JAWS doesn’t see
it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any ideas
please? >>>>>> >>>>>> All the
best >>>>>> >>>>>>
Steve >>>>>> >>>>>>
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io < nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
>>>>>> *David Moore >>>>>> *Sent:* 06
May 2018 23:29 >>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io>>>>>>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome,
>>>>>> I like itmuchmore
now >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi
all! >>>>>> >>>>>> No problem at
all. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will paste my
text tutorial right here in the message so you >>>>>> can
all read it here or copy and paste it somewhere on your
>>>>>> computer. Here is the tutorial on using
Chrome! >>>>>> >>>>>> Tutorial for
Using the Google Chrome
Browser >>>>>> >>>>>> By David
Moore >>>>>> >>>>>> This tutorial will
be done with the latest update of
Chrome. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will also use
JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this >>>>>>
tutorial, because they all work the same in
Chrome. >>>>>> >>>>>> Finally, I will
use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public
build. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will assume
that you have downloaded and installed
Chrome. >>>>>> >>>>>> There should be
a shortcut on your
desktop. >>>>>> >>>>>> Section
One: >>>>>> >>>>>> Launching
Chrome: >>>>>> >>>>>> One way to
Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or >>>>>>
CTRL+Escape and type Chrome in the search edit field, and press
>>>>>> enter when you hear JAWS say
Chrome. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, since
you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have >>>>>> a
shortcut icon on your
desktop. >>>>>> >>>>>> So next, find
the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press >>>>>>
enter to open Chrome. >>>>>> >>>>>>
The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find
>>>>>> the Google Chrome icon on your
desktop. >>>>>> >>>>>> The first very
important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to >>>>>>
maximise the window. Chrome often opens with the window not
>>>>>> maximise, and you will get undesirable
results. >>>>>> >>>>>> Section
Two: >>>>>> >>>>>> Bringing up a web
site. >>>>>> >>>>>> Press CTRL+L or
Alt+D >>>>>> >>>>>> and type the
following: >>>>>> >>>>>> www.freedomscientific.com>>>>>> >>>>>>
The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very
quickly. >>>>>> >>>>>> All navigation
commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C >>>>>>
for combo box, and so on all work just the same in
Chrome. >>>>>> >>>>>> Section
Three: >>>>>> >>>>>> The Virticle
Chrome menu: >>>>>> >>>>>> I will
press Alt+F. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Chrome
menu is open. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is a
very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up
>>>>>> and down arrow
through. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will press
insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this
menu. >>>>>> >>>>>> New Tab,
CTRL+T. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can press
that command right from the web site you are
on. >>>>>> >>>>>> New Window,
CTRL+N >>>>>> >>>>>> You can press
these commands right from your web page, instead of >>>>>>
coming here. >>>>>> >>>>>> New
incognito Window. >>>>>> >>>>>>
History sub menu. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will
press right arrow here to see what is in this sub
menu! >>>>>> >>>>>> History,
CTRL+H >>>>>> >>>>>> So, there is a
key command for reading your
history. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can read a
few sites you were on right
here. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will press left
arrow to close this history sub
menu. >>>>>> >>>>>> Downloads,
CTRL+J >>>>>> >>>>>> There is the
command for opening your downloads you have >>>>>>
downloaded with Chrome. >>>>>> >>>>>>
Next, the important Bookmarks sub
menu. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will press right
arrow, to open this. >>>>>> >>>>>> I
hear, bookmark this page,
CTRL+D >>>>>> >>>>>> That command will
bookmark the page you are
reading. >>>>>> >>>>>> Next down
arrow, says show bookmarks bar,
CTRL+Shift+B >>>>>> >>>>>> That
command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for
>>>>>> all to see. I do not want
that. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here is the
important one. >>>>>> >>>>>> manage
bookmarks >>>>>> >>>>>> The command
is, CTRL+Shift+O >>>>>> >>>>>> In
here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the
>>>>>> bookmarks you have imported from different
browsers, and very >>>>>> importantly, you can download,
to your computer, an HTML file of >>>>>> all of your
bookmarks in Chrome. >>>>>> >>>>>> On
your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it
>>>>>> downloads, and a page will show up in Chrome with a
list of all >>>>>> bookmarks you have saved in Chrome.
This is an awesome way to >>>>>> download all of your
bookmarks right to your computer, so you can >>>>>> back
them up. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is all for
manage bookmarks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Next,
I hear import bookmarks and
settings. >>>>>> >>>>>> press enter on
this, and you can import all bookmarks and >>>>>> settings
from IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they
>>>>>> will be in their corresponding
folders. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, I hear all
of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow
down. >>>>>> >>>>>> Very
important! >>>>>> >>>>>> Sometimes,
when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on
>>>>>> the choices I mension here, but instead, I start
hearing my saved >>>>>> bookmarks. If this happens, I
press up arrow a few times, and it >>>>>> gets me to these
choices. >>>>>> >>>>>> Keep in mind,
that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, >>>>>>
have key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks
>>>>>> sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of
the time, to >>>>>> arrow through your saved bookmarks,
and enter on the desired
one. >>>>>> >>>>>> To save a web site
as a bookmark, >>>>>> >>>>>> Just
press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is
saved. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will now press
left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub
menu! >>>>>> >>>>>> I will continue to
down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu >>>>>> that
we entered by just pressing
alt. >>>>>> >>>>>> The next few are
very self explanatory. >>>>>> >>>>>>
The next one I will mension, is the more tools
submenu. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will press
right arrow on this. >>>>>> >>>>>> I
hear Save Page as, and the command,
CTRL+S. >>>>>> >>>>>> Next, Save to
desktop. >>>>>> >>>>>> This allows you
to save the favorite of the page right to your >>>>>>
desktop. This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this
>>>>>> in the file menu in
IE. >>>>>> >>>>>> It is hidden under
this more tools submenu. >>>>>> >>>>>>
Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, >>>>>>
CTRL+Shift+Delete key. >>>>>> >>>>>>
Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions
>>>>>> and so
on. >>>>>> >>>>>> These are the same
as add ons, in IE. >>>>>> >>>>>> I
will press left arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we
>>>>>> are back to the virticle Chrome
menu. >>>>>> >>>>>> The last two that
I will mention, are settings, and the help sub >>>>>>
menu. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you press the
left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open >>>>>> the
help system, just like in other programs, so that is all I
>>>>>> will say about
help. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, we will press
enter on settings, and a web like page will >>>>>> open
where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA
>>>>>> will be in Brows
mode. >>>>>> >>>>>> Section
Four: >>>>>> >>>>>> Adjusting Settings
and Advanced settings: >>>>>> >>>>>>
Now that this web page is open, I will just down arrow down the
>>>>>> page and we will deal with each
setting. >>>>>> >>>>>>
Important: >>>>>> >>>>>> I have
already signed into
Chrome. >>>>>> >>>>>> So now, arrow
down until you hear sign into Chrome and press
enter. >>>>>> >>>>>> You just enter
your email address and password, I think it has to >>>>>>
be the same email address and password that you used to set up
>>>>>> your Google
account. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not sure
about this. >>>>>> >>>>>> You do not
need to sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all
>>>>>> of your activity between all devices that you have
Chrome on. >>>>>> That is the only advantage of signing
in. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will continue with
what I hear after you have signed
in. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you do not sign
in, press H until you hear
Appearance. >>>>>> >>>>>> Each group
of settings is a heading that you can get to by >>>>>>
pressing H. This makes it very easy, because you just press H
>>>>>> until you hear the group of settings you want to
work with. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, because
I have signed in, this is what I hear before getting
>>>>>> to
appearance. >>>>>> >>>>>> The first
thing you hear: >>>>>> >>>>>>
Settings. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is the
very top of the web
page. >>>>>> >>>>>> Down arrow, and
you hear: >>>>>> >>>>>> Main Menu
Button. >>>>>> >>>>>> That will just
take you back to the virticle menu we were
in. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you down arrow
again, you will just hear
blank. >>>>>> >>>>>> Down arrow,
again, and you hear: >>>>>> >>>>>>
Settings again, but now, this is a heading. You can get here just
>>>>>> by pressing H at the top of the
page. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you down arrow,
you hear: >>>>>> >>>>>> Search
Settings. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is where
you can type in a setting that you want to
change. >>>>>> >>>>>> Down arrow
again, and there is the edit field where you type in
>>>>>> the setting you want to work
with. >>>>>> >>>>>> Down arrow again,
and you hear another heading saying
people. >>>>>> >>>>>> Down arrow
again, and I hear David
Clickable. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is
because I have already signed into
Chrome. >>>>>> >>>>>> Down arrow
again, and I hear my Gmail email
address. >>>>>> >>>>>> Again, this is
because I have already signed into Chrome to sync >>>>>>
my settings and all of
that. >>>>>> >>>>>> Down arrow again,
and I hear: >>>>>> >>>>>> Edit
person. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is where I
could change my name. >>>>>> >>>>>>
Down arrow again, and I
hear: >>>>>> >>>>>> Sign
Out. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is because I
have already signed in to
Chrome. >>>>>> >>>>>> Down arrow
again, and I hear: >>>>>> >>>>>>
Sync. >>>>>> >>>>>> Down arrow again,
and I hear: >>>>>> >>>>>> On, Sync
everything. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is a
combo box, where you can choose what to sinc; I chose
>>>>>> everything in this combo
box. >>>>>> >>>>>> Again, all of this
is because I have signed into Chrome
already. >>>>>> >>>>>> Down arrow
again, and you hear: >>>>>> >>>>>>
Sync button. >>>>>> >>>>>> Down arrow
again, and you hear: >>>>>> >>>>>>
Manage other people
clickable. >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't worry
about the clickables. There is a clickable for many >>>>>>
things, but then there is the button you enter on right after
that. >>>>>> >>>>>> Down arrow again,
and you hear: >>>>>> >>>>>> Manage
other people button. >>>>>> >>>>>>
This is what you would press enter on to set up another
user. >>>>>> >>>>>> Down arrow again,
and you hear: >>>>>> >>>>>> Import
bookmarks and settings
Clickable: >>>>>> >>>>>> Down arrow
again, and you actually
hear >>>>>> >>>>>> Import bookmarks
and settings button. >>>>>> >>>>>>
Here, you press enter and import all of your bookmarks and
>>>>>> settings from other Browsers like
IE. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is another way
of doing this, because
remember, >>>>>> >>>>>> We had a
choice of manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in
>>>>>> the virticle
menu. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is more than
one place to do things in
Chrome. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, we have a
series of headings, that you can just press H for >>>>>>
heading, to get to. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now,
we have gotten to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you
>>>>>>
hear: >>>>>> >>>>>> themes, which I
did nothing with. >>>>>> >>>>>> Next,
you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of
>>>>>> extentions, and
more. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then, you hear
Themes button. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do
nothing with this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Next,
you hear: >>>>>> >>>>>> Show home
clickable. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just skip
that. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are many
buttons that say clickable, and then there is a >>>>>>
button that you actually press enter on to work with
it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just work with the
buttons, and skip over these
vclickables. >>>>>> >>>>>> Down arrow,
and you have an edit box where you can put in your >>>>>>
home page you want to get to by pressing
Alt+Home. >>>>>> >>>>>> Next, there is
the home button toggle. >>>>>> >>>>>>
Press the spacebar to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can
>>>>>> have the home button show at the top of the Chrome
Window. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have it
checked. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, there are
two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter >>>>>>
with a custom web
address. >>>>>> >>>>>> Search
Heading: >>>>>> >>>>>> We are at
another heading, where you can set your search
Engine. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a combo
box below, and I set it to Chrome, because I >>>>>> like
to have my searches from the address bar done with Crome
>>>>>> instead of
Bing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Next
heading: >>>>>> >>>>>> Default
Browser. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here, you can
choose weather you want Chrome to be your default >>>>>>
browser or not. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just
leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your
>>>>>> default
browser. >>>>>> >>>>>> Next Important
heading: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Start
up. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here is where you
put in your URL that you want to show as soon >>>>>> as
you start Chrome. >>>>>> >>>>>> There
are three radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open
>>>>>> with a specific page or pages, which is the third
radio button. >>>>>> >>>>>> Under
this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want
>>>>>> to open when you start
Chrome. >>>>>> >>>>>> Under this,
there is a link where you can add more pages you want
>>>>>> to show when Chrome starts
up. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, we are up to
the search engin
heading. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is a
heading. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are
headings on this settings
page. >>>>>> >>>>>> I chose to use
Google search engin in the address bar. This is a >>>>>>
combo box. >>>>>> >>>>>> The next
heading, is on start up. >>>>>> >>>>>>
Finally, here is where you set up your home
page. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are three
radio buttons here. >>>>>> >>>>>> I
chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected
pages. >>>>>> >>>>>> Next, I was able
to enter: >>>>>> >>>>>> www.Google.Com. >>>>>> >>>>>>
That is my home page that will open each time I start
Chrome. >>>>>> >>>>>> Next important
group of settings, the advanced
settings. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, you have
to press enter on the advanced settings button >>>>>>
before more headings of settings will
show. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Advanced
settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter >>>>>>
to show more headings of
settings. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now that these
advanced settings are open, we get to the next >>>>>>
heading of settings. >>>>>> >>>>>>
There is much more we can customize under the advanced
settings. >>>>>> >>>>>> Privacy and
security heading: >>>>>> >>>>>> Down
arrow from here, and you
hear: >>>>>> >>>>>> Use a web service
to resolve navigation
errors. >>>>>> >>>>>> You have a
clickable, and a toggle. >>>>>> >>>>>>
Press spacebar to toggle this on or
off. >>>>>> >>>>>> Again, ignore the
clickables. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now you
have: >>>>>> >>>>>> Use a prodiction
service to enable you in
searches. >>>>>> >>>>>> I left this
unchecked. >>>>>> >>>>>> Next, you
have a setting to speed up the loading of web
pages: >>>>>> >>>>>> I checked this
with spacebar. >>>>>> >>>>>> The next
three settings I just left
alone. >>>>>> >>>>>> I checked the one
that says: >>>>>> >>>>>> Use a web
service to help with
spelling. >>>>>> >>>>>> I leave manage
certificates alone. >>>>>> >>>>>>
Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new
heading. >>>>>> >>>>>> We are still
working with the same
heading. >>>>>> >>>>>> The only thing
of interest here, is the clear history
button. >>>>>> >>>>>> This was
available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about
this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, we get to the
next heading of
settings. >>>>>> >>>>>> Passwords and
forms: >>>>>> >>>>>> Under this
heading, just make sure that you check to be able to
>>>>>> have Chrome save
passwords. >>>>>> >>>>>> Languages
Heading: >>>>>> >>>>>> I did nothing
with this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Downloads
heading: >>>>>> >>>>>> This is where
you choose where you want your downloads to be >>>>>>
saved on your computer. >>>>>> >>>>>>
Printing heading: >>>>>> >>>>>> I did
nothing with this. >>>>>> >>>>>>
Accessibility heading: >>>>>> >>>>>> I
did nothing with this. >>>>>> >>>>>>
Now, we have the System
heading: >>>>>> >>>>>> Down arrow, and
you hear: >>>>>> >>>>>> Continue
running background apps, when Google Chrome is
Closed. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have this
unchecked. >>>>>> >>>>>>
Next, >>>>>> >>>>>> Use hard ware
excelloration when
Available. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have this
checked. >>>>>> >>>>>> Next, you
hear: >>>>>> >>>>>> Open proxy
settings button. >>>>>> >>>>>> I left
this alone. >>>>>> >>>>>> Last Heading
LOL! >>>>>> >>>>>>
Reset. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here, you can
reset all settings back to their
origional. >>>>>> >>>>>> We are done
with Settings. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, just
press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web
>>>>>>
site. >>>>>> >>>>>> This settings web
page, opens in another
tab. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is it for
settings. >>>>>> >>>>>> Notice, we
made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You
>>>>>> cannot see these, unless you press enter to expand
these. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, press the
Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of >>>>>>
the menu where we were with the
settings. >>>>>> >>>>>> You see exit,
up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under >>>>>>
the settings choice. >>>>>> >>>>>> I
press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on
>>>>>> the help center to get a lot of help using
Chrome. >>>>>> >>>>>> To open a web
site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the
URL. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chrome for me, is
so much quicker with web sites that involve >>>>>>
streamming TV and Watching movies, and so
on. >>>>>> >>>>>> For me, Chrome opens
large news sites very quickly compared to
IE. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lastly, All JAWS and
NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. >>>>>> For
example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS,
>>>>>> and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the
exact same. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is the
end of the tutorial. >>>>>> >>>>>>
Sent from Mail < https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
>>>>>> for Windows
10 >>>>>> >>>>>> *From: *Monte Single
< mailto:mrsingle@...> >>>>>>
*Sent: *Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:25 PM >>>>>> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>>>>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome,
>>>>>> I like itmuchmore
now >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi
David, >>>>>> >>>>>> Please post your
tutorial again; especially for those of us who
>>>>>> are not always paying attention to all
details. >>>>>> >>>>>>
Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>>
Monte >>>>>> >>>>>>
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On
>>>>>> Behalf Of *David Moore >>>>>>
*Sent:* May-06-18 4:21 PM >>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io>>>>>>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome,
>>>>>> I like it muchmore
now >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi
all! >>>>>> >>>>>> I have been telling
people just how great Chrome is for two and a >>>>>> half
years. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am so happy
that all of you are finding it to be
true. >>>>>> >>>>>> If anyone needs my
text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, >>>>>> and
take you through all settings, I will paste it on the
list. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have done this
around ten times on all the lists, but you are >>>>>>
still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome
is. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just read works
great for just reading an article on the
page. >>>>>> >>>>>> CTRL+J allows you
to hear the status of the downloads. Now, >>>>>>
CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you
>>>>>> can arrange them in different folders and back them
up. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chrome is great with
Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good >>>>>> for a
lot other than just simple
browsing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Have a great
one, and I am celebrating that you are finally >>>>>>
getting used to Chrome! >>>>>> >>>>>>
David Moore >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from
Mail < https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
>>>>>> for Windows
10 >>>>>> >>>>>> *From: *juan gonzalez
< mailto:jgonzalezh614@...> >>>>>>
*Sent: *Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM >>>>>> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>>>>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome,
>>>>>> I like it muchmore
now >>>>>> >>>>>> I use the add on
called sound on for navigational
sounds. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original
Message----- >>>>>> >>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>> < nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On
Behalf Of >>>>>> Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday,
May 6, 2018 9:28 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>>>> >>>>>>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I
>>>>>> like it much more
now >>>>>> >>>>>> Would anyone know if
Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances >>>>>> with
current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished
>>>>>> or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you
normally hear the >>>>>> ticks in the old version
due to navigational
sounds. >>>>>> >>>>>> Until i find a
browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to >>>>>>
get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been
>>>>>> reading that some sites now do not support the old
versions of >>>>>> Firefox and tell you so when you have
things like modal windows >>>>>> whatever they
are. >>>>>> >>>>>> On XP to make
Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a >>>>>>
version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely
>>>>>> slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi
processor >>>>>> devices, not single core ones.This
is also why on xp you might >>>>>> find that Chrome and
firefox are similar in page loading
times. >>>>>> >>>>>> Things are no
pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not >>>>>>
uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this
>>>>>> or that then you can come
back. >>>>>> >>>>>> To me this is a
weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they >>>>>>
are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is
>>>>>> their
business. >>>>>> >>>>>>
Brian >>>>>> >>>>>> bglists@... < mailto:bglists@...> >>>>>> >>>>>>
Sent via blueyonder. >>>>>> >>>>>>
Please address personal E-mail
to:- >>>>>> >>>>>> briang1@... < mailto:briang1@...>,
>>>>>> putting 'Brian
Gaff' >>>>>> >>>>>> in the display
name field. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----
Original Message ----- >>>>>> >>>>>>
From: "Gene" < gsasner@... < mailto:gsasner@...>> >>>>>> >>>>>>
To: < nvda@nvda.groups.io < mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> >>>>>> >>>>>>
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57
AM >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: [nvda] I've
largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like >>>>>> it
much more now >>>>>> >>>>>> I may have
sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much
>>>>>> stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At
this point, I've >>>>>> changed my mind and, unless things
change over time, as they may >>>>>> as Firefox continues
to implement its new internal technical >>>>>> changes, I
consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I
>>>>>> haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS
or other >>>>>> uses. I will therefore only address
general browsing and the >>>>>> interface. Others
may want to comment on other aspects I haven't >>>>>>
compared. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is a long
message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion >>>>>>
of the interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it
>>>>>>
useful. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you try
Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you
>>>>>> may still not want to use Chrome as your main
browser. There are >>>>>> various considerations.
I'll explain why I changed my mind and >>>>>> what you may
want to consider. You may have other or different
>>>>>> considerations as
well. >>>>>> >>>>>> The reason I say
Chrome is better for general browsing is because >>>>>> it
loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and
>>>>>> see if the difference is important to you. There is
a very >>>>>> noticeable difference. I hadn't
compared Chrome with Firefox for >>>>>> speed on a fast
machine. I compared them on a slow machine >>>>>>
running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected that,
>>>>>> if Chrome was faster, there would have been a
noticeable >>>>>> difference, even though the machine was
slow. But there wasn't a >>>>>> difference that
amounted to anything. >>>>>> >>>>>> I
recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine
>>>>>> running Windows 7 since many people have said on
lists I'm on >>>>>> that Chrome is faster. There is
a very noticeable difference in >>>>>> speed on my Windows
7 machine. I don't know what the results >>>>>> would have
been on a fast XP
machine. >>>>>> >>>>>> I haven't used
Chrome much but the increase in speed is the >>>>>> reason
I say it's better for general
browsing. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Chrome
interface is different than Firefox or Internet >>>>>>
Explorer. It isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You
>>>>>> will likely want a tutorial or some instructional
material. If >>>>>> you are good at learning by exploring,
you may not want or need >>>>>> such material, at least
not to use in depth, but you may benefit >>>>>> in early
learning by using
material. >>>>>> >>>>>> The main
things to know in terms of the differences in the >>>>>>
interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as
>>>>>> settings and history and there is one menu, which
you can open >>>>>> with alt f, that is, hold alt and
press f. Of course, there are >>>>>> submenus and there
are also items that open like web pages such >>>>>> as
settings. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't recall
if there are classic dialogs that open from the >>>>>>
main menu. >>>>>> >>>>>> But if you
work with settings, you need to know that the settings
>>>>>> interface doesn't work quite properly in the
following way: >>>>>> >>>>>> It's a
web page-like interface but there some controls that don't
>>>>>> work as they should. I tried to activate two
buttons today and I >>>>>> couldn't do so in browse mode
using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS >>>>>>
does. I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the
>>>>>> buttons. I may have had to tab to the button
because forms mode >>>>>> may not have been properly
calibrated with browse mode in that >>>>>> interface, at
least at times. >>>>>> >>>>>> I seem
to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in
>>>>>> browse mode to activate something but I'd have to
experiment more >>>>>> to know if that is the case since I
don't have a clear memory of >>>>>> whether that was
necessary. >>>>>> >>>>>> There's a
very useful settings search feature in
settings. >>>>>> >>>>>> One of my main
objections to Chrome in the past was that the book >>>>>>
marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as
>>>>>> Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book
marks appears >>>>>> to be inaccessible. I very
recently learned from someone on a >>>>>> list I follow
that this problem can be more or less eliminated.
>>>>>> I say more or less because I haven't played with it
much, but >>>>>> enough to see that it works well or
reasonably well. I'm hedging >>>>>> because I'd want to
play with it more before saying just how well >>>>>> it
works. It' appears to work well from the very little testing
>>>>>> I've done. If you are in the address bar, you
can type some or >>>>>> all of what you want to find such
as york times or new york times >>>>>> and you can up and
down arrow through results. Some of them will >>>>>>
be search results using a search engine but the top results in
>>>>>> the list should be from book marks and
history. Try reading the >>>>>> current line after
typing to see if that contains the first >>>>>>
result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little and
>>>>>> I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would
eliminate what I >>>>>> consider to be an important
deficiency. In other words, this >>>>>> feature may make
book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in >>>>>>
Firefox. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you use
Firefox extensions that you consider important and use
>>>>>> them a lot, that may be a consideration in which
browser you want >>>>>> to use. and then, there's
just convenience of not learning a new >>>>>> interface
and continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of >>>>>>
course, can determine questions like that. It's nice to have
>>>>>> pages load a good deal faster, but the importance
of speed may >>>>>> vary from user to user. But if
you haven't compared with a hands >>>>>> on test, you may
wish to. >>>>>> >>>>>> Browsing is
either identical or nearly identical between the >>>>>>
browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC
>>>>>> cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same
thing. >>>>>> >>>>>> So you can
compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and >>>>>>
using some web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar,
>>>>>> just as in Firefox. I believe when you open
Chrome, you are >>>>>> automatically placed on the address
bar, but you can check. If >>>>>> you want to make
sure, it takes almost no time to execute control
l. >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope those who are
interested in this subject find these >>>>>> comments
useful. >>>>>> >>>>>> If people are
curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another >>>>>>
browser, they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all
>>>>>> so I don't know how Edge
compares. >>>>>> >>>>>>
Gene >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>
-- >>>>> Rich De
Steno >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >
>
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Hi Glad you got it sorted. If you launch Chrome from a desktop shortcut, you can press Alt+Enter on the shortcut which will open the properties window, tab down to the 'Run' control, select maximised from the combo box, tab to ok and press enter. So now when you use the shortcut, Chrome will always open maximised.
Cheers Chris
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of kelby carlson Sent: 9 May 2018 23:33 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now I figured out what the problem was. If the window is not maximized, those commands don't work. On May 9, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@gmail.com> wrote:
Those commands are Chrome commands, so I would try a re-install of Chrome.
Cheers Chris
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of kelby carlson Sent: 9 May 2018 21:58 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
I would like to change to Chrome, but none of the shortcuts keys at all seem to work when I'm using NVDA. I don't know what could possibly be the trouble.
On 5/9/2018 3:55 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote: Hi, Angela,
I'm thinking of changing to chrome. It truly is much faster than IE. I really like how you can watch youtube videos on it. I don't think chrome is really that hard to learn either.
Rosemarie
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angela Delicata Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 10:36 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi,
I have to say I finally made the change|! I decided to use Chrome as my primary browser because it is fast and does not chrash like IE... Ie is too slow and does not work well anymore.
We have to stay up to date and that's what I am trying to do and if one has no prejudice we can do everything... I mean, it is not so hard to learn Chrome, it is easier than I expected.. So, thank you to nvda group who helped me to move forward! Best. Angela from Italy
Il 09/05/2018 18:07, brian ha scritto:
If and chrome has first naavigation then and only will I switch to it from ie thats the reason that so many blind people still use ie because of first letter navigation if you have a lot of favorites or bookmarcks thats a lots of down arrowing just to get to the one that you want. this is a lack in googles part since ie has always had this feature so why can't chrome have it/? I know that nvda does work with chrome so if this could beadded then I think that more blind people would switch to chrome. Google just doesn't get it.
Brian Sackrider
On 5/8/2018 7:55 PM, Dan Beaver wrote: Interesting, when I cursor through the bookmarks in Chrome on my system it works and activates the bookmark when I press enter on one of them. I haven't had a problem with this issue at all.
Dan Beaver
On 5/8/2018 7:45 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: I notice Chrome does not have "first letter navigation" for the bookmarks. I had to arrow down until I found the one I wanted. Also, when I press Enter on a bookmark, it does not activate. I had to go into the applications key to activate the option "open in new window".
On 5/8/2018 2:43 PM, Steve Nutt wrote: Hi,
For the curious, you get to the toolbar by pressing Alt+Shift+T. Focus is placed on the first item, then you can arrow left and right through the toolbars.
All the best
Steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Steve Nutt *Sent:* 08 May 2018 19:37 *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Sorry about this message, I meant NVDA doesn’t see the toolbar, but neither does JAWS.
All the best
Steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Steve Nutt *Sent:* 08 May 2018 19:19 *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi,
Excellent tutorial.
The only thing it doesn’t touch on is how you access the toolbar. Someone installed the High Contrast accessibility extension today and asked me how to enable/disable it, or how to change the colour invertion. According to help, you have to click it from the toolbar, but it seems that JAWS doesn’t see it.
Any ideas please?
All the best
Steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *David Moore *Sent:* 06 May 2018 23:29 *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi all!
No problem at all.
I will paste my text tutorial right here in the message so you can all read it here or copy and paste it somewhere on your computer. Here is the tutorial on using Chrome!
Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser
By David Moore
This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome.
I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial, because they all work the same in Chrome.
Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.
I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome.
There should be a shortcut on your desktop.
Section One:
Launching Chrome:
One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS say Chrome.
However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut icon on your desktop.
So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to open Chrome.
The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google Chrome icon on your desktop.
The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get undesirable results.
Section Two:
Bringing up a web site.
Press CTRL+L or Alt+D
and type the following:
www.freedomscientific.com
The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly.
All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome.
Section Three:
The Virticle Chrome menu:
I will press Alt+F.
The Chrome menu is open.
This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down arrow through.
I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.
New Tab, CTRL+T.
You can press that command right from the web site you are on.
New Window, CTRL+N
You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here.
New incognito Window.
History sub menu.
I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!
History, CTRL+H
So, there is a key command for reading your history.
You can read a few sites you were on right here.
I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu.
Downloads, CTRL+J
There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with Chrome.
Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu.
I will press right arrow, to open this.
I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D
That command will bookmark the page you are reading.
Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B
That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. I do not want that.
Here is the important one.
manage bookmarks
The command is, CTRL+Shift+O
In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome.
On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up.
That is all for manage bookmarks.
Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings.
press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their corresponding folders.
Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.
Very important!
Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices.
Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one.
To save a web site as a bookmark,
Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved.
I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu!
I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we entered by just pressing alt.
The next few are very self explanatory.
The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu.
I will press right arrow on this.
I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S.
Next, Save to desktop.
This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file menu in IE.
It is hidden under this more tools submenu.
Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key.
Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on.
These are the same as add ons, in IE.
I will press left arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are back to the virticle Chrome menu.
The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu.
If you press the left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help system, just like in other programs, so that is all I will say about help.
Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in Brows mode.
Section Four:
Adjusting Settings and Advanced settings:
Now that this web page is open, I will just down arrow down the page and we will deal with each setting.
Important:
I have already signed into Chrome.
So now, arrow down until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter.
You just enter your email address and password, I think it has to be the same email address and password that you used to set up your Google account.
I am not sure about this.
You do not need to sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your activity between all devices that you have Chrome on. That is the only advantage of signing in.
I will continue with what I hear after you have signed in.
If you do not sign in, press H until you hear Appearance.
Each group of settings is a heading that you can get to by pressing H. This makes it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the group of settings you want to work with.
Now, because I have signed in, this is what I hear before getting to appearance.
The first thing you hear:
Settings.
That is the very top of the web page.
Down arrow, and you hear:
Main Menu Button.
That will just take you back to the virticle menu we were in.
If you down arrow again, you will just hear blank.
Down arrow, again, and you hear:
Settings again, but now, this is a heading. You can get here just by pressing H at the top of the page.
If you down arrow, you hear:
Search Settings.
This is where you can type in a setting that you want to change.
Down arrow again, and there is the edit field where you type in the setting you want to work with.
Down arrow again, and you hear another heading saying people.
Down arrow again, and I hear David Clickable.
This is because I have already signed into Chrome.
Down arrow again, and I hear my Gmail email address.
Again, this is because I have already signed into Chrome to sync my settings and all of that.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Edit person.
This is where I could change my name.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Sign Out.
This is because I have already signed in to Chrome.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Sync.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
On, Sync everything.
This is a combo box, where you can choose what to sinc; I chose everything in this combo box.
Again, all of this is because I have signed into Chrome already.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Sync button.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Manage other people clickable.
Don't worry about the clickables. There is a clickable for many things, but then there is the button you enter on right after that.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Manage other people button.
This is what you would press enter on to set up another user.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Import bookmarks and settings Clickable:
Down arrow again, and you actually hear
Import bookmarks and settings button.
Here, you press enter and import all of your bookmarks and settings from other Browsers like IE.
This is another way of doing this, because remember,
We had a choice of manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the virticle menu.
There is more than one place to do things in Chrome.
Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for heading, to get to.
Now, we have gotten to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear:
themes, which I did nothing with.
Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and more.
Then, you hear Themes button.
Do nothing with this.
Next, you hear:
Show home clickable.
Just skip that.
There are many buttons that say clickable, and then there is a button that you actually press enter on to work with it.
Just work with the buttons, and skip over these vclickables.
Down arrow, and you have an edit box where you can put in your home page you want to get to by pressing Alt+Home.
Next, there is the home button toggle.
Press the spacebar to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the home button show at the top of the Chrome Window.
I have it checked.
Now, there are two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a custom web address.
Search Heading:
We are at another heading, where you can set your search Engine.
There is a combo box below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to have my searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of Bing.
Next heading:
Default Browser.
Here, you can choose weather you want Chrome to be your default browser or not.
Just leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser.
Next Important heading:
On Start up.
Here is where you put in your URL that you want to show as soon as you start Chrome.
There are three radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a specific page or pages, which is the third radio button.
Under this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want to open when you start Chrome.
Under this, there is a link where you can add more pages you want to show when Chrome starts up.
Now, we are up to the search engin heading.
This is a heading.
There are headings on this settings page.
I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box.
The next heading, is on start up.
Finally, here is where you set up your home page.
There are three radio buttons here.
I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages.
Next, I was able to enter:
www.Google.Com.
That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome.
Next important group of settings, the advanced settings.
Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before more headings of settings will show.
The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show more headings of settings.
Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of settings.
There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings.
Privacy and security heading:
Down arrow from here, and you hear:
Use a web service to resolve navigation errors.
You have a clickable, and a toggle.
Press spacebar to toggle this on or off.
Again, ignore the clickables.
Now you have:
Use a prodiction service to enable you in searches.
I left this unchecked.
Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages:
I checked this with spacebar.
The next three settings I just left alone.
I checked the one that says:
Use a web service to help with spelling.
I leave manage certificates alone.
Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading.
We are still working with the same heading.
The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button.
This was available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this.
Now, we get to the next heading of settings.
Passwords and forms:
Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome save passwords.
Languages Heading:
I did nothing with this.
Downloads heading:
This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved on your computer.
Printing heading:
I did nothing with this.
Accessibility heading:
I did nothing with this.
Now, we have the System heading:
Down arrow, and you hear:
Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed.
I have this unchecked.
Next,
Use hard ware excelloration when Available.
I have this checked.
Next, you hear:
Open proxy settings button.
I left this alone.
Last Heading LOL!
Reset.
Here, you can reset all settings back to their origional.
We are done with Settings.
Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site.
This settings web page, opens in another tab.
That is it for settings.
Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see these, unless you press enter to expand these.
Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where we were with the settings.
You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings choice.
I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center to get a lot of help using Chrome.
To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL.
Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and Watching movies, and so on.
For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE.
Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact same.
This is the end of the tutorial.
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*From: *Monte Single <mailto:mrsingle@sasktel.net> *Sent: *Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:25 PM *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi David,
Please post your tutorial again; especially for those of us who are not always paying attention to all details.
Thanks,
Monte
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *David Moore *Sent:* May-06-18 4:21 PM *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now
Hi all!
I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.
I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.
If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.
I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.
Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.
CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up.
Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing.
Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!
David Moore
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*From: *juan gonzalez <mailto:jgonzalezh614@hotmail.com> *Sent: *Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now
I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.
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Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old version due to navigational sounds.
Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.
On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.
Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.
To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.
Brian
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Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now
I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.
This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.
If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider. You may have other or different considerations as well.
The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.
I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.
I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.
The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.
The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.
I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.
But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:
It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.
I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.
There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.
One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works. It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done. If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history. Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.
If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use. and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.
Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.
So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.
I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.
If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.
Gene
-- Rich De Steno
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