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Hi, I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not reading for me. It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don’t seem to be reading. For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now. JAWS is reading lists quite happily. Any thoughts? Thanks. All the best Steve -- Computer Room Services 77 Exeter Close Stevenage Hertfordshire SG1 4PW Tel: +44(0)1438-742286 Mob: +44(0)7956-334938 Fax: +44(0)1438-759589 Email: steve@... Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk
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Steve, this sounds almost like an iteration of what I was
mentioning - it seems to fluctuate/vary quite a bit on/off on my
one windows 10 1803 machine, which is a lenovo laptop, whereas on
my slightly lower hardware specification desktop machine, that
does however have a solid state operating system drive in it, it
actually seems to react a bit more consistently, in terms of
reading out list items, like in file explorer, to me, and, this is
with both of them running windows 10 1803 pro 64 bit, and,
currently both running NVDA master snapshot.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 5/16/2018 10:03 AM, Steve Nutt
wrote:
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Hi,
I recently reported that Outlook message
lists were not reading for me.
It is in fact worse than that, lists in
general don’t seem to be reading. For example, File Explorer
in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now.
JAWS is reading lists quite happily.
Any thoughts?
Thanks.
All the best
Steve
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Hi Jacob, I have three machines here, all on 1803. None of them work at all well with NVDA in Windows 10, in fact, File Explorer is pretty much unusable, as is Outlook. At this point, I’m glad I have JAWS as well. But I don’t know why NVDA is so broken with 1803, more so than JAWS. All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: 16 May 2018 09:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 Steve, this sounds almost like an iteration of what I was mentioning - it seems to fluctuate/vary quite a bit on/off on my one windows 10 1803 machine, which is a lenovo laptop, whereas on my slightly lower hardware specification desktop machine, that does however have a solid state operating system drive in it, it actually seems to react a bit more consistently, in terms of reading out list items, like in file explorer, to me, and, this is with both of them running windows 10 1803 pro 64 bit, and, currently both running NVDA master snapshot. Stay well Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..." On 5/16/2018 10:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote: Hi, I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not reading for me. It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don’t seem to be reading. For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now. JAWS is reading lists quite happily. Any thoughts? Thanks. All the best Steve -- Computer Room Services 77 Exeter Close Stevenage Hertfordshire SG1 4PW Tel: +44(0)1438-742286 Mob: +44(0)7956-334938 Fax: +44(0)1438-759589 Email: steve@... Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk
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I expect Joseph will be along soon to ask about the version of win 10 essentials you have, but have you tried the pre release master snap?
If that fails too then somebody in the development team needs to try to isolate what makes some machines work and others not.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 Hi Jacob,
I have three machines here, all on 1803. None of them work at all well with
NVDA in Windows 10, in fact, File Explorer is pretty much unusable, as is
Outlook.
At this point, I'm glad I have JAWS as well. But I don't know why NVDA is
so broken with 1803, more so than JAWS.
All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: 16 May 2018 09:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
Steve, this sounds almost like an iteration of what I was mentioning - it
seems to fluctuate/vary quite a bit on/off on my one windows 10 1803
machine, which is a lenovo laptop, whereas on my slightly lower hardware
specification desktop machine, that does however have a solid state
operating system drive in it, it actually seems to react a bit more
consistently, in terms of reading out list items, like in file explorer, to
me, and, this is with both of them running windows 10 1803 pro 64 bit, and,
currently both running NVDA master snapshot.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 5/16/2018 10:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,
I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not reading for me.
It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don't seem to be reading.
For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now.
JAWS is reading lists quite happily.
Any thoughts?
Thanks.
All the best
Steve
--
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77 Exeter Close
Stevenage
Hertfordshire
SG1 4PW
Tel: +44(0)1438-742286
Mob: +44(0)7956-334938
Fax: +44(0)1438-759589
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Hi,
I just downloaded Win 10 essentials stable today, but it doesn't seem to
make much difference.
I must play a bit more.
All the best
Steve
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 16 May 2018 13:17 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 I expect Joseph will be along soon to ask about the version of win 10 essentials you have, but have you tried the pre release master snap? If that fails too then somebody in the development team needs to try to isolate what makes some machines work and others not. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 Hi Jacob,
I have three machines here, all on 1803. None of them work at all well
with
NVDA in Windows 10, in fact, File Explorer is pretty much unusable, as is
Outlook.
At this point, I'm glad I have JAWS as well. But I don't know why NVDA is
so broken with 1803, more so than JAWS.
All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: 16 May 2018 09:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
Steve, this sounds almost like an iteration of what I was mentioning - it
seems to fluctuate/vary quite a bit on/off on my one windows 10 1803
machine, which is a lenovo laptop, whereas on my slightly lower hardware
specification desktop machine, that does however have a solid state
operating system drive in it, it actually seems to react a bit more
consistently, in terms of reading out list items, like in file explorer,
to
me, and, this is with both of them running windows 10 1803 pro 64 bit,
and,
currently both running NVDA master snapshot.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 5/16/2018 10:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,
I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not reading for me.
It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don't seem to be reading.
For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now.
JAWS is reading lists quite happily.
Any thoughts?
Thanks.
All the best
Steve
--
Computer Room Services
77 Exeter Close
Stevenage
Hertfordshire
SG1 4PW
Tel: +44(0)1438-742286
Mob: +44(0)7956-334938
Fax: +44(0)1438-759589
Email: <mailto:steve@...> steve@...
Web: <http://www.comproom.co.uk/> http://www.comproom.co.uk
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Oh and isn't it time NVDA installed Win 10 essentials automagically if Win
10 is detected? New users shouldn't certainly have to go hunting for addons
for their screen reader.
All the best
Steve
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: 16 May 2018 15:43 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 Hi, I just downloaded Win 10 essentials stable today, but it doesn't seem to make much difference. I must play a bit more. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 16 May 2018 13:17 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 I expect Joseph will be along soon to ask about the version of win 10 essentials you have, but have you tried the pre release master snap? If that fails too then somebody in the development team needs to try to isolate what makes some machines work and others not. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 Hi Jacob,
I have three machines here, all on 1803. None of them work at all
well with NVDA in Windows 10, in fact, File Explorer is pretty much
unusable, as is Outlook.
At this point, I'm glad I have JAWS as well. But I don't know why
NVDA is so broken with 1803, more so than JAWS.
All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: 16 May 2018 09:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
Steve, this sounds almost like an iteration of what I was mentioning -
it seems to fluctuate/vary quite a bit on/off on my one windows 10
1803 machine, which is a lenovo laptop, whereas on my slightly lower
hardware specification desktop machine, that does however have a solid
state operating system drive in it, it actually seems to react a bit
more consistently, in terms of reading out list items, like in file
explorer, to me, and, this is with both of them running windows 10
1803 pro 64 bit, and, currently both running NVDA master snapshot.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 5/16/2018 10:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,
I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not reading for me.
It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don't seem to be reading.
For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now.
JAWS is reading lists quite happily.
Any thoughts?
Thanks.
All the best
Steve
--
Computer Room Services
77 Exeter Close
Stevenage
Hertfordshire
SG1 4PW
Tel: +44(0)1438-742286
Mob: +44(0)7956-334938
Fax: +44(0)1438-759589
Email: <mailto:steve@...> steve@...
Web: <http://www.comproom.co.uk/> http://www.comproom.co.uk
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Hi,
No, this is something my add-on won't be able to tackle unless we know for
sure why this issue came up. I suspect UIA miscommunication, and based on a
log someone sent me, looks like UIA and NVDA are not in speaking terms under
some circumstances.
For everyone affected by this, please try:
1. Restart NVDA.
2. Restart with add-ons disabled.
3. Log out and log back in.
4. Restart your computer.
5. For those running recent development snapshots, run COM registration tool
(NVDA Menu/Tools).
Make sure to test list reading between each item.
Cheers,
Joseph
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:17 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 I expect Joseph will be along soon to ask about the version of win 10 essentials you have, but have you tried the pre release master snap? If that fails too then somebody in the development team needs to try to isolate what makes some machines work and others not. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 Hi Jacob,
I have three machines here, all on 1803. None of them work at all well
with
NVDA in Windows 10, in fact, File Explorer is pretty much unusable, as is
Outlook.
At this point, I'm glad I have JAWS as well. But I don't know why NVDA is
so broken with 1803, more so than JAWS.
All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: 16 May 2018 09:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
Steve, this sounds almost like an iteration of what I was mentioning - it
seems to fluctuate/vary quite a bit on/off on my one windows 10 1803
machine, which is a lenovo laptop, whereas on my slightly lower hardware
specification desktop machine, that does however have a solid state
operating system drive in it, it actually seems to react a bit more
consistently, in terms of reading out list items, like in file explorer,
to
me, and, this is with both of them running windows 10 1803 pro 64 bit,
and,
currently both running NVDA master snapshot.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 5/16/2018 10:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,
I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not reading for me.
It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don't seem to be reading.
For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now.
JAWS is reading lists quite happily.
Any thoughts?
Thanks.
All the best
Steve
--
Computer Room Services
77 Exeter Close
Stevenage
Hertfordshire
SG1 4PW
Tel: +44(0)1438-742286
Mob: +44(0)7956-334938
Fax: +44(0)1438-759589
Email: <mailto:steve@...> steve@...
Web: <http://www.comproom.co.uk/> http://www.comproom.co.uk
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Yep, all three machines, with Win Ten Essentials installed, makes no
difference. It reads the current file highlighted, then nothing.
All the best
Steve
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: 16 May 2018 15:44 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 Oh and isn't it time NVDA installed Win 10 essentials automagically if Win 10 is detected? New users shouldn't certainly have to go hunting for addons for their screen reader. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: 16 May 2018 15:43 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 Hi, I just downloaded Win 10 essentials stable today, but it doesn't seem to make much difference. I must play a bit more. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 16 May 2018 13:17 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 I expect Joseph will be along soon to ask about the version of win 10 essentials you have, but have you tried the pre release master snap? If that fails too then somebody in the development team needs to try to isolate what makes some machines work and others not. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 Hi Jacob,
I have three machines here, all on 1803. None of them work at all
well with NVDA in Windows 10, in fact, File Explorer is pretty much
unusable, as is Outlook.
At this point, I'm glad I have JAWS as well. But I don't know why
NVDA is so broken with 1803, more so than JAWS.
All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: 16 May 2018 09:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
Steve, this sounds almost like an iteration of what I was mentioning -
it seems to fluctuate/vary quite a bit on/off on my one windows 10
1803 machine, which is a lenovo laptop, whereas on my slightly lower
hardware specification desktop machine, that does however have a solid
state operating system drive in it, it actually seems to react a bit
more consistently, in terms of reading out list items, like in file
explorer, to me, and, this is with both of them running windows 10
1803 pro 64 bit, and, currently both running NVDA master snapshot.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 5/16/2018 10:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,
I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not reading for me.
It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don't seem to be reading.
For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now.
JAWS is reading lists quite happily.
Any thoughts?
Thanks.
All the best
Steve
--
Computer Room Services
77 Exeter Close
Stevenage
Hertfordshire
SG1 4PW
Tel: +44(0)1438-742286
Mob: +44(0)7956-334938
Fax: +44(0)1438-759589
Email: <mailto:steve@...> steve@...
Web: <http://www.comproom.co.uk/> http://www.comproom.co.uk
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Hi Joseph,
I've tried 1 to 4 with no difference.
All the best
Steve
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: 16 May 2018 16:12 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 Hi, No, this is something my add-on won't be able to tackle unless we know for sure why this issue came up. I suspect UIA miscommunication, and based on a log someone sent me, looks like UIA and NVDA are not in speaking terms under some circumstances. For everyone affected by this, please try: 1. Restart NVDA. 2. Restart with add-ons disabled. 3. Log out and log back in. 4. Restart your computer. 5. For those running recent development snapshots, run COM registration tool (NVDA Menu/Tools). Make sure to test list reading between each item. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:17 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 I expect Joseph will be along soon to ask about the version of win 10 essentials you have, but have you tried the pre release master snap? If that fails too then somebody in the development team needs to try to isolate what makes some machines work and others not. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 Hi Jacob,
I have three machines here, all on 1803. None of them work at all
well with NVDA in Windows 10, in fact, File Explorer is pretty much
unusable, as is Outlook.
At this point, I'm glad I have JAWS as well. But I don't know why
NVDA is so broken with 1803, more so than JAWS.
All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: 16 May 2018 09:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
Steve, this sounds almost like an iteration of what I was mentioning -
it seems to fluctuate/vary quite a bit on/off on my one windows 10
1803 machine, which is a lenovo laptop, whereas on my slightly lower
hardware specification desktop machine, that does however have a solid
state operating system drive in it, it actually seems to react a bit
more consistently, in terms of reading out list items, like in file
explorer, to me, and, this is with both of them running windows 10
1803 pro 64 bit, and, currently both running NVDA master snapshot.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 5/16/2018 10:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,
I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not reading for me.
It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don't seem to be reading.
For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now.
JAWS is reading lists quite happily.
Any thoughts?
Thanks.
All the best
Steve
--
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Stevenage
Hertfordshire
SG1 4PW
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Fax: +44(0)1438-759589
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I think the one thing I'm really annoyed about is that Microsoft keep on fiddling with things that used to work and making them not work. I have actually given up on 10 as a working platform, unless Microsoft can simply provide a system stable and just with security updates like windows 7. They are not doing themselves any good by bringing out new versions of windows every6 months or so in my view, they are going to make Windows 7 into the keep hold of system just like XP if they are not more careful. Fine have new features but do not change the whole concept and still call it windows 10. that is just silly. That is my feeling after being exposed to their messing about. its as if the developers who used to regularly screw up Skype have been let loose on the innards of Windows!
Hides behind sofa. Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 Oh and isn't it time NVDA installed Win 10 essentials automagically if Win
10 is detected? New users shouldn't certainly have to go hunting for addons
for their screen reader.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 16 May 2018 15:43
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
Hi,
I just downloaded Win 10 essentials stable today, but it doesn't seem to
make much difference.
I must play a bit more.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 16 May 2018 13:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
I expect Joseph will be along soon to ask about the version of win 10
essentials you have, but have you tried the pre release master snap?
If that fails too then somebody in the development team needs to try to
isolate what makes some machines work and others not.
Brian
bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
Hi Jacob,
I have three machines here, all on 1803. None of them work at all
well with NVDA in Windows 10, in fact, File Explorer is pretty much
unusable, as is Outlook.
At this point, I'm glad I have JAWS as well. But I don't know why
NVDA is so broken with 1803, more so than JAWS.
All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: 16 May 2018 09:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
Steve, this sounds almost like an iteration of what I was mentioning -
it seems to fluctuate/vary quite a bit on/off on my one windows 10
1803 machine, which is a lenovo laptop, whereas on my slightly lower
hardware specification desktop machine, that does however have a solid
state operating system drive in it, it actually seems to react a bit
more consistently, in terms of reading out list items, like in file
explorer, to me, and, this is with both of them running windows 10
1803 pro 64 bit, and, currently both running NVDA master snapshot.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 5/16/2018 10:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,
I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not reading for me.
It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don't seem to be reading.
For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now.
JAWS is reading lists quite happily.
Any thoughts?
Thanks.
All the best
Steve
--
Computer Room Services
77 Exeter Close
Stevenage
Hertfordshire
SG1 4PW
Tel: +44(0)1438-742286
Mob: +44(0)7956-334938
Fax: +44(0)1438-759589
Email: <mailto:steve@...> steve@...
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Hi,
I see. Does changing power plan to "high performance" (Control Panel/Power
Options/power plans) help?
I believe someone created an issue on GitHub regarding this problem (if not,
hopefully we should due to high impact).
Cheers,
Joseph
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 8:37 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 Hi Joseph, I've tried 1 to 4 with no difference. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: 16 May 2018 16:12 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 Hi, No, this is something my add-on won't be able to tackle unless we know for sure why this issue came up. I suspect UIA miscommunication, and based on a log someone sent me, looks like UIA and NVDA are not in speaking terms under some circumstances. For everyone affected by this, please try: 1. Restart NVDA. 2. Restart with add-ons disabled. 3. Log out and log back in. 4. Restart your computer. 5. For those running recent development snapshots, run COM registration tool (NVDA Menu/Tools). Make sure to test list reading between each item. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:17 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 I expect Joseph will be along soon to ask about the version of win 10 essentials you have, but have you tried the pre release master snap? If that fails too then somebody in the development team needs to try to isolate what makes some machines work and others not. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 Hi Jacob,
I have three machines here, all on 1803. None of them work at all
well with NVDA in Windows 10, in fact, File Explorer is pretty much
unusable, as is Outlook.
At this point, I'm glad I have JAWS as well. But I don't know why
NVDA is so broken with 1803, more so than JAWS.
All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: 16 May 2018 09:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
Steve, this sounds almost like an iteration of what I was mentioning -
it seems to fluctuate/vary quite a bit on/off on my one windows 10
1803 machine, which is a lenovo laptop, whereas on my slightly lower
hardware specification desktop machine, that does however have a solid
state operating system drive in it, it actually seems to react a bit
more consistently, in terms of reading out list items, like in file
explorer, to me, and, this is with both of them running windows 10
1803 pro 64 bit, and, currently both running NVDA master snapshot.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 5/16/2018 10:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,
I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not reading for me.
It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don't seem to be reading.
For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now.
JAWS is reading lists quite happily.
Any thoughts?
Thanks.
All the best
Steve
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That is only true if a lot of users, sighted users,
get annoyed enough to matter. A lot of the changes that inconvenience
blind users until they learn how to use them may be intuitive and quickly
understood by sighted users. and, in the case of screen-reader problems,
sighted people wouldn't have any of those problems. Also, as in the new
feature of sets, they may not be on by default. As I recall what I read,
sets is off by default.
But every time a new major update to Windows comes
out, I see enough blind users have problems that I'm in no hurry to get Windows
10. Even if the problems are temporary, such as screen-reader problems
that are dealt with not too long after the upgrade, Windows 10 has nothing I
want that justifies even relatively minor inconveniences time after
time.
I'll get it when I get a new computer. I
won't upgrade a machine that is working very well with an earlier version of
Windows.
Gene
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10
1803
I think the one thing I'm really annoyed about is that Microsoft
keep on fiddling with things that used to work and making them not work. I
have actually given up on 10 as a working platform, unless Microsoft
can simply provide a system stable and just with security updates like
windows 7. They are not doing themselves any good by bringing out new
versions of windows every6 months or so in my view, they are going to make
Windows 7 into the keep hold of system just like XP if they are not more
careful. Fine have new features but do not change the whole concept and
still call it windows 10. that is just silly. That is my feeling after being
exposed to their messing about. its as if the developers who used to
regularly screw up Skype have been let loose on the innards of
Windows! Hides behind sofa. Brian bglists@...Sent via
blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting
'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" < steve@...> To: < nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent:
Wednesday, May 16, 2018 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and
latest Windows 10 1803 > Oh and isn't it time NVDA installed Win
10 essentials automagically if Win > 10 is detected? New users
shouldn't certainly have to go hunting for > addons > for their
screen reader. > > All the best > >
Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io < nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt > Sent: 16 May 2018 15:43 > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: Re:
[nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 > >
Hi, > > I just downloaded Win 10 essentials stable today, but it
doesn't seem to > make much difference. > > I must play a bit
more. > > All the best > > Steve > >
-----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io < nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Brian's Mail > list account via Groups.Io > Sent: 16 May 2018
13:17 > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: Re:
[nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 > > I expect
Joseph will be along soon to ask about the version of win 10 >
essentials you have, but have you tried the pre release master snap? > If
that fails too then somebody in the development team needs to try to >
isolate what makes some machines work and others not. >
Brian > > bglists@...> Sent
via blueyonder. > Please address personal E-mail to:- > briang1@..., putting
'Brian Gaff' > in the display name field. > ----- Original Message
----- > From: "Steve Nutt" < steve@...> > To:
< nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:31 PM > Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with
NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 > > >> Hi
Jacob, >> >> >> >> I have three machines
here, all on 1803. None of them work at all >> well with NVDA in
Windows 10, in fact, File Explorer is pretty much >> unusable, as is
Outlook. >> >> >> >> At this point, I'm glad
I have JAWS as well. But I don't know why >> NVDA is so broken
with 1803, more so than JAWS. >> >> >> >>
All the best >> >> >> Steve >> >>
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io < nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Jacob >> Kruger >> Sent: 16 May 2018 09:10 >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io>> Subject:
Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10
1803 >> >> >> >> Steve, this sounds almost
like an iteration of what I was mentioning - >> it seems to
fluctuate/vary quite a bit on/off on my one windows 10 >> 1803 machine,
which is a lenovo laptop, whereas on my slightly lower >> hardware
specification desktop machine, that does however have a solid >> state
operating system drive in it, it actually seems to react a bit >> more
consistently, in terms of reading out list items, like in file >>
explorer, to me, and, this is with both of them running windows 10 >>
1803 pro 64 bit, and, currently both running NVDA master
snapshot. >> >> >> >> Stay
well >> >> >> >> Jacob Kruger >>
Blind Biker >> Skype: BlindZA >> "Resistance is futile...but,
acceptance is versatile..." >> >> On 5/16/2018 10:03 AM, Steve
Nutt wrote: >> >>
Hi, >> >> >> >> I recently reported that
Outlook message lists were not reading for
me. >> >> >> >> It is in fact worse than
that, lists in general don't seem to be reading. >> For example, File
Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me
now. >> >> >> >> JAWS is reading lists quite
happily. >> >> >> >> Any
thoughts? >> >> >> >>
Thanks. >> >> >> >> All the
best >> >> >> >>
Steve >> >> >> >> -- >> >>
Computer Room Services >> >> 77 Exeter
Close >> >> Stevenage >> >>
Hertfordshire >> >> SG1 4PW >> >> Tel:
+44(0)1438-742286 >> >> Mob:
+44(0)7956-334938 >> >> Fax:
+44(0)1438-759589 >> >> Email: < mailto:steve@...> steve@...>> >>
Web: < http://www.comproom.co.uk/> http://www.comproom.co.uk>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Can you please explain what is meant by
"the new feature of sets" and how do I find this and turn it on?
Also, why would I need it on? Does it help with screen reader
accessibility?
Thanks.
Roger
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That is only true if a lot of users, sighted users, get
annoyed enough to matter. A lot of the changes that
inconvenience blind users until they learn how to use them may
be intuitive and quickly understood by sighted users. and, in
the case of screen-reader problems, sighted people wouldn't have
any of those problems. Also, as in the new feature of sets,
they may not be on by default. As I recall what I read, sets is
off by default.
But every time a new major update to Windows comes out, I see
enough blind users have problems that I'm in no hurry to get
Windows 10. Even if the problems are temporary, such as
screen-reader problems that are dealt with not too long after
the upgrade, Windows 10 has nothing I want that justifies even
relatively minor inconveniences time after time.
I'll get it when I get a new computer. I won't upgrade a
machine that is working very well with an earlier version of
Windows.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest
Windows 10 1803
I think the one thing I'm really annoyed about is that Microsoft
keep on
fiddling with things that used to work and making them not work. I
have
actually given up on 10 as a working platform, unless Microsoft
can simply
provide a system stable and just with security updates like
windows 7. They
are not doing themselves any good by bringing out new versions of
windows
every6 months or so in my view, they are going to make Windows 7
into the
keep hold of system just like XP if they are not more careful.
Fine have new
features but do not change the whole concept and still call it
windows 10.
that is just silly. That is my feeling after being exposed to
their messing
about. its as if the developers who used to regularly screw up
Skype have
been let loose on the innards of Windows!
Hides behind sofa. Brian
bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@...,
putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
> Oh and isn't it time NVDA installed Win 10 essentials
automagically if Win
> 10 is detected? New users shouldn't certainly have to go
hunting for
> addons
> for their screen reader.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
> Sent: 16 May 2018 15:43
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10
1803
>
> Hi,
>
> I just downloaded Win 10 essentials stable today, but it
doesn't seem to
> make much difference.
>
> I must play a bit more.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
> list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: 16 May 2018 13:17
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10
1803
>
> I expect Joseph will be along soon to ask about the version
of win 10
> essentials you have, but have you tried the pre release
master snap?
> If that fails too then somebody in the development team needs
to try to
> isolate what makes some machines work and others not.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting
'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10
1803
>
>
>> Hi Jacob,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have three machines here, all on 1803. None of them
work at all
>> well with NVDA in Windows 10, in fact, File Explorer is
pretty much
>> unusable, as is Outlook.
>>
>>
>>
>> At this point, I'm glad I have JAWS as well. But I don't
know why
>> NVDA is so broken with 1803, more so than JAWS.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Jacob
>> Kruger
>> Sent: 16 May 2018 09:10
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows
10 1803
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve, this sounds almost like an iteration of what I was
mentioning -
>> it seems to fluctuate/vary quite a bit on/off on my one
windows 10
>> 1803 machine, which is a lenovo laptop, whereas on my
slightly lower
>> hardware specification desktop machine, that does however
have a solid
>> state operating system drive in it, it actually seems to
react a bit
>> more consistently, in terms of reading out list items,
like in file
>> explorer, to me, and, this is with both of them running
windows 10
>> 1803 pro 64 bit, and, currently both running NVDA master
snapshot.
>>
>>
>>
>> Stay well
>>
>>
>>
>> Jacob Kruger
>> Blind Biker
>> Skype: BlindZA
>> "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
>>
>> On 5/16/2018 10:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not
reading for me.
>>
>>
>>
>> It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don't
seem to be reading.
>> For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely
silent for me now.
>>
>>
>>
>> JAWS is reading lists quite happily.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Computer Room Services
>>
>> 77 Exeter Close
>>
>> Stevenage
>>
>> Hertfordshire
>>
>> SG1 4PW
>>
>> Tel: +44(0)1438-742286
>>
>> Mob: +44(0)7956-334938
>>
>> Fax: +44(0)1438-759589
>>
>> Email: <mailto:steve@...> steve@...
>>
>> Web: <http://www.comproom.co.uk/> http://www.comproom.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Hi Brian,
You're not wrong. And by the way, the problems don't appear to be with NVDA
alone, even Narrator is suffering.
All the best
Stve
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 16 May 2018 16:48 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 I think the one thing I'm really annoyed about is that Microsoft keep on fiddling with things that used to work and making them not work. I have actually given up on 10 as a working platform, unless Microsoft can simply provide a system stable and just with security updates like windows 7. They are not doing themselves any good by bringing out new versions of windows every6 months or so in my view, they are going to make Windows 7 into the keep hold of system just like XP if they are not more careful. Fine have new features but do not change the whole concept and still call it windows 10. that is just silly. That is my feeling after being exposed to their messing about. its as if the developers who used to regularly screw up Skype have been let loose on the innards of Windows! Hides behind sofa. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 Oh and isn't it time NVDA installed Win 10 essentials automagically if Win
10 is detected? New users shouldn't certainly have to go hunting for
addons
for their screen reader.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 16 May 2018 15:43
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
Hi,
I just downloaded Win 10 essentials stable today, but it doesn't seem to
make much difference.
I must play a bit more.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 16 May 2018 13:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
I expect Joseph will be along soon to ask about the version of win 10
essentials you have, but have you tried the pre release master snap?
If that fails too then somebody in the development team needs to try to
isolate what makes some machines work and others not.
Brian
bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
Hi Jacob,
I have three machines here, all on 1803. None of them work at all
well with NVDA in Windows 10, in fact, File Explorer is pretty much
unusable, as is Outlook.
At this point, I'm glad I have JAWS as well. But I don't know why
NVDA is so broken with 1803, more so than JAWS.
All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: 16 May 2018 09:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
Steve, this sounds almost like an iteration of what I was mentioning -
it seems to fluctuate/vary quite a bit on/off on my one windows 10
1803 machine, which is a lenovo laptop, whereas on my slightly lower
hardware specification desktop machine, that does however have a solid
state operating system drive in it, it actually seems to react a bit
more consistently, in terms of reading out list items, like in file
explorer, to me, and, this is with both of them running windows 10
1803 pro 64 bit, and, currently both running NVDA master snapshot.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 5/16/2018 10:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,
I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not reading for me.
It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don't seem to be reading.
For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now.
JAWS is reading lists quite happily.
Any thoughts?
Thanks.
All the best
Steve
--
Computer Room Services
77 Exeter Close
Stevenage
Hertfordshire
SG1 4PW
Tel: +44(0)1438-742286
Mob: +44(0)7956-334938
Fax: +44(0)1438-759589
Email: <mailto:steve@...> steve@...
Web: <http://www.comproom.co.uk/> http://www.comproom.co.uk
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Hi Joseph,
No, I am already on high performance on all my machines. I use nothing
else.
All the best
Steve
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: 16 May 2018 16:53 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 Hi, I see. Does changing power plan to "high performance" (Control Panel/Power Options/power plans) help? I believe someone created an issue on GitHub regarding this problem (if not, hopefully we should due to high impact). Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 8:37 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 Hi Joseph, I've tried 1 to 4 with no difference. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: 16 May 2018 16:12 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 Hi, No, this is something my add-on won't be able to tackle unless we know for sure why this issue came up. I suspect UIA miscommunication, and based on a log someone sent me, looks like UIA and NVDA are not in speaking terms under some circumstances. For everyone affected by this, please try: 1. Restart NVDA. 2. Restart with add-ons disabled. 3. Log out and log back in. 4. Restart your computer. 5. For those running recent development snapshots, run COM registration tool (NVDA Menu/Tools). Make sure to test list reading between each item. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:17 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 I expect Joseph will be along soon to ask about the version of win 10 essentials you have, but have you tried the pre release master snap? If that fails too then somebody in the development team needs to try to isolate what makes some machines work and others not. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 Hi Jacob,
I have three machines here, all on 1803. None of them work at all
well with NVDA in Windows 10, in fact, File Explorer is pretty much
unusable, as is Outlook.
At this point, I'm glad I have JAWS as well. But I don't know why
NVDA is so broken with 1803, more so than JAWS.
All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: 16 May 2018 09:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
Steve, this sounds almost like an iteration of what I was mentioning -
it seems to fluctuate/vary quite a bit on/off on my one windows 10
1803 machine, which is a lenovo laptop, whereas on my slightly lower
hardware specification desktop machine, that does however have a solid
state operating system drive in it, it actually seems to react a bit
more consistently, in terms of reading out list items, like in file
explorer, to me, and, this is with both of them running windows 10
1803 pro 64 bit, and, currently both running NVDA master snapshot.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 5/16/2018 10:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,
I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not reading for me.
It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don't seem to be reading.
For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now.
JAWS is reading lists quite happily.
Any thoughts?
Thanks.
All the best
Steve
--
Computer Room Services
77 Exeter Close
Stevenage
Hertfordshire
SG1 4PW
Tel: +44(0)1438-742286
Mob: +44(0)7956-334938
Fax: +44(0)1438-759589
Email: <mailto:steve@...> steve@...
Web: <http://www.comproom.co.uk/> http://www.comproom.co.uk
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Hi, I have to say, over all, Windows 10 is snappier than Windows 7 ever was. It’s just these glitches that get us. What’s odd with this particular issue is that NVDA and Narrator are quite broken, but JAWS is a happy screen reader. So they are obviously doing some serious hacking to get UIA to work as well as it does with JAWS. All the best Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 16 May 2018 17:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 That is only true if a lot of users, sighted users, get annoyed enough to matter. A lot of the changes that inconvenience blind users until they learn how to use them may be intuitive and quickly understood by sighted users. and, in the case of screen-reader problems, sighted people wouldn't have any of those problems. Also, as in the new feature of sets, they may not be on by default. As I recall what I read, sets is off by default. But every time a new major update to Windows comes out, I see enough blind users have problems that I'm in no hurry to get Windows 10. Even if the problems are temporary, such as screen-reader problems that are dealt with not too long after the upgrade, Windows 10 has nothing I want that justifies even relatively minor inconveniences time after time. I'll get it when I get a new computer. I won't upgrade a machine that is working very well with an earlier version of Windows. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 I think the one thing I'm really annoyed about is that Microsoft keep on
fiddling with things that used to work and making them not work. I have
actually given up on 10 as a working platform, unless Microsoft can simply
provide a system stable and just with security updates like windows 7. They
are not doing themselves any good by bringing out new versions of windows
every6 months or so in my view, they are going to make Windows 7 into the
keep hold of system just like XP if they are not more careful. Fine have new
features but do not change the whole concept and still call it windows 10.
that is just silly. That is my feeling after being exposed to their messing
about. its as if the developers who used to regularly screw up Skype have
been let loose on the innards of Windows!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
> Oh and isn't it time NVDA installed Win 10 essentials automagically if Win
> 10 is detected? New users shouldn't certainly have to go hunting for
> addons
> for their screen reader.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
> Sent: 16 May 2018 15:43
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
>
> Hi,
>
> I just downloaded Win 10 essentials stable today, but it doesn't seem to
> make much difference.
>
> I must play a bit more.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: 16 May 2018 13:17
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
>
> I expect Joseph will be along soon to ask about the version of win 10
> essentials you have, but have you tried the pre release master snap?
> If that fails too then somebody in the development team needs to try to
> isolate what makes some machines work and others not.
> Brian
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
>
>
>> Hi Jacob,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have three machines here, all on 1803. None of them work at all
>> well with NVDA in Windows 10, in fact, File Explorer is pretty much
>> unusable, as is Outlook.
>>
>>
>>
>> At this point, I'm glad I have JAWS as well. But I don't know why
>> NVDA is so broken with 1803, more so than JAWS.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob
>> Kruger
>> Sent: 16 May 2018 09:10
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve, this sounds almost like an iteration of what I was mentioning -
>> it seems to fluctuate/vary quite a bit on/off on my one windows 10
>> 1803 machine, which is a lenovo laptop, whereas on my slightly lower
>> hardware specification desktop machine, that does however have a solid
>> state operating system drive in it, it actually seems to react a bit
>> more consistently, in terms of reading out list items, like in file
>> explorer, to me, and, this is with both of them running windows 10
>> 1803 pro 64 bit, and, currently both running NVDA master snapshot.
>>
>>
>>
>> Stay well
>>
>>
>>
>> Jacob Kruger
>> Blind Biker
>> Skype: BlindZA
>> "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
>>
>> On 5/16/2018 10:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not reading for me.
>>
>>
>>
>> It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don't seem to be reading.
>> For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now.
>>
>>
>>
>> JAWS is reading lists quite happily.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
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>>
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>>
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NVDA is broken? How so? I am on NVDA 2018.1.1. I always tell people thinking about using JAWS that they should be long on NVDA and short on JAWS, since NVDA is free and open source, and provides the same quality.
It is kind of like John Wayne’s advice to be long on ears and short on jaws, but with my screen reader twist.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 11:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
Hi,
I have to say, over all, Windows 10 is snappier than Windows 7 ever was.
It’s just these glitches that get us.
What’s odd with this particular issue is that NVDA and Narrator are quite broken, but JAWS is a happy screen reader. So they are obviously doing some serious hacking to get UIA to work as well as it does with JAWS.
All the best
Steve
That is only true if a lot of users, sighted users, get annoyed enough to matter. A lot of the changes that inconvenience blind users until they learn how to use
them may be intuitive and quickly understood by sighted users. and, in the case of screen-reader problems, sighted people wouldn't have any of those problems. Also, as in the new feature of sets, they may not be on by default. As I recall what I read, sets
is off by default.
But every time a new major update to Windows comes out, I see enough blind users have problems that I'm in no hurry to get Windows 10. Even if the problems are
temporary, such as screen-reader problems that are dealt with not too long after the upgrade, Windows 10 has nothing I want that justifies even relatively minor inconveniences time after time.
I'll get it when I get a new computer. I won't upgrade a machine that is working very well with an earlier version of Windows.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and
latest Windows 10 1803
I think the one thing I'm really annoyed about is that Microsoft keep on
fiddling with things that used to work and making them not work. I have
actually given up on 10 as a working platform, unless Microsoft can simply
provide a system stable and just with security updates like windows 7. They
are not doing themselves any good by bringing out new versions of windows
every6 months or so in my view, they are going to make Windows 7 into the
keep hold of system just like XP if they are not more careful. Fine have new
features but do not change the whole concept and still call it windows 10.
that is just silly. That is my feeling after being exposed to their messing
about. its as if the developers who used to regularly screw up Skype have
been let loose on the innards of Windows!
Hides behind sofa. Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
> Oh and isn't it time NVDA installed Win 10 essentials automagically if Win
> 10 is detected? New users shouldn't certainly have to go hunting for
> addons
> for their screen reader.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
> Sent: 16 May 2018 15:43
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
>
> Hi,
>
> I just downloaded Win 10 essentials stable today, but it doesn't seem to
> make much difference.
>
> I must play a bit more.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
> list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: 16 May 2018 13:17
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
>
> I expect Joseph will be along soon to ask about the version of win 10
> essentials you have, but have you tried the pre release master snap?
> If that fails too then somebody in the development team needs to try to
> isolate what makes some machines work and others not.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
>
>
>> Hi Jacob,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have three machines here, all on 1803. None of them work at all
>> well with NVDA in Windows 10, in fact, File Explorer is pretty much
>> unusable, as is Outlook.
>>
>>
>>
>> At this point, I'm glad I have JAWS as well. But I don't know why
>> NVDA is so broken with 1803, more so than JAWS.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob
>> Kruger
>> Sent: 16 May 2018 09:10
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve, this sounds almost like an iteration of what I was mentioning -
>> it seems to fluctuate/vary quite a bit on/off on my one windows 10
>> 1803 machine, which is a lenovo laptop, whereas on my slightly lower
>> hardware specification desktop machine, that does however have a solid
>> state operating system drive in it, it actually seems to react a bit
>> more consistently, in terms of reading out list items, like in file
>> explorer, to me, and, this is with both of them running windows 10
>> 1803 pro 64 bit, and, currently both running NVDA master snapshot.
>>
>>
>>
>> Stay well
>>
>>
>>
>> Jacob Kruger
>> Blind Biker
>> Skype: BlindZA
>> "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
>>
>> On 5/16/2018 10:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not reading for me.
>>
>>
>>
>> It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don't seem to be reading.
>> For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now.
>>
>>
>>
>> JAWS is reading lists quite happily.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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steve@...
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I've seen it discussed but I don't know enough
about it to describe it.
Gene
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10
1803
Can you please explain what is meant by "the new
feature of sets" and how do I find this and turn it on? Also, why would I
need it on? Does it help with screen reader accessibility?
Thanks.
Roger
On
5/16/2018 11:00 AM, Gene wrote:
That is only true if a lot of users, sighted users, get annoyed enough to
matter. A lot of the changes that inconvenience blind users until they
learn how to use them may be intuitive and quickly understood by sighted
users. and, in the case of screen-reader problems, sighted people
wouldn't have any of those problems. Also, as in the new feature of
sets, they may not be on by default. As I recall what I read, sets is
off by default.
But every time a new major update to Windows comes out, I see enough
blind users have problems that I'm in no hurry to get Windows 10. Even
if the problems are temporary, such as screen-reader problems that are dealt
with not too long after the upgrade, Windows 10 has nothing I want that
justifies even relatively minor inconveniences time after time.
I'll get it when I get a new computer. I won't upgrade a machine
that is working very well with an earlier version of Windows.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10
1803
I think the one thing I'm really annoyed about is that
Microsoft keep on
fiddling with things that used to work and making them
not work. I have
actually given up on 10 as a working platform,
unless Microsoft can simply
provide a system stable and just with security
updates like windows 7. They
are not doing themselves any good by bringing
out new versions of windows
every6 months or so in my view, they are going
to make Windows 7 into the
keep hold of system just like XP if they are
not more careful. Fine have new
features but do not change the whole
concept and still call it windows 10.
that is just silly. That is my
feeling after being exposed to their messing
about. its as if the
developers who used to regularly screw up Skype have
been let loose on the
innards of Windows!
Hides behind sofa. Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From:
"Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16,
2018 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10
1803
> Oh and isn't it time NVDA installed Win 10 essentials
automagically if Win
> 10 is detected? New users shouldn't
certainly have to go hunting for
> addons
> for their screen
reader.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
>
-----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
> Sent: 16 May 2018 15:43
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda]
Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
>
>
Hi,
>
> I just downloaded Win 10 essentials stable today, but it
doesn't seem to
> make much difference.
>
> I must play a
bit more.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
>
-----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail
> list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: 16 May 2018
13:17
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda]
Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
>
> I expect Joseph
will be along soon to ask about the version of win 10
> essentials
you have, but have you tried the pre release master snap?
> If that
fails too then somebody in the development team needs to try to
>
isolate what makes some machines work and others not.
>
Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via
blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
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> ----- Original Message
-----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday,
May 16, 2018 12:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and
latest Windows 10 1803
>
>
>> Hi
Jacob,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have three machines
here, all on 1803. None of them work at all
>> well with NVDA
in Windows 10, in fact, File Explorer is pretty much
>> unusable, as
is Outlook.
>>
>>
>>
>> At this point, I'm
glad I have JAWS as well. But I don't know why
>> NVDA is so
broken with 1803, more so than
JAWS.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the
best
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Jacob
>> Kruger
>> Sent: 16 May 2018 09:10
>> To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda]
Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10
1803
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve, this sounds almost
like an iteration of what I was mentioning -
>> it seems to
fluctuate/vary quite a bit on/off on my one windows 10
>> 1803
machine, which is a lenovo laptop, whereas on my slightly lower
>>
hardware specification desktop machine, that does however have a
solid
>> state operating system drive in it, it actually seems to
react a bit
>> more consistently, in terms of reading out list items,
like in file
>> explorer, to me, and, this is with both of them
running windows 10
>> 1803 pro 64 bit, and, currently both running
NVDA master snapshot.
>>
>>
>>
>> Stay
well
>>
>>
>>
>> Jacob Kruger
>>
Blind Biker
>> Skype: BlindZA
>> "Resistance is
futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
>>
>> On 5/16/2018
10:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>>
>>
Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I recently reported that
Outlook message lists were not reading for
me.
>>
>>
>>
>> It is in fact worse than
that, lists in general don't seem to be reading.
>> For example, File
Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me
now.
>>
>>
>>
>> JAWS is reading lists
quite happily.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any
thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>>
Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the
best
>>
>>
>>
>>
Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Exeter Close
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Hi Roger and others, I knew this day would come (smiles to himself)… The following describes a Windows 10 feature under active development. Thus, what I say below may change without notice, and feature availability will depend on maturity of the feature in question: A set is a grouping of apps into tabs designed to package related activities together. Previously, if you wanted a tabbed app usage experience, you had to use web browsers and certain apps that does support tabs (Notepad++ is one of them). Sets changes this in a major way: you’ll be able to run apps inside Microsoft Edge tabs. When you run an app with Sets on, you’ll see (or feel) several new screen controls that invite you to open a new tab, a list of tabs will be shown, and a button that offers to restore previously opened tabs. The actual app content will be housed inside a Microsoft Edge container window, similar to what happens now when you use certain apps with Windows My People (Version 1709). While an app is running inside a Sets window, press Control+Windows+T to open a new “tab”. This new tab window (from Microsoft Edge) consists of typical new tab content, as well as an embedded Cortana search box that lets you search for things such as another app to open. After searching for things via this search box, press Enter to open an app or a file. The Edge new tab content is replaced by app screen, and a new tab, representing the just opened app, will be listed in tabs list. To move between app tabs, press Control+Windows+Tab or Control+Windows+Shift+Tab. To switch to a particular app tab (provided that you know the app position), press Control+Windows+number row key. To close an app, press Control+Windows+W, and to close everything in one go, press Alt+F4. You may have noticed a familiar pattern: if you’re using a web browser that supports tabbed browsing, the commands to switch between app tabs are nothing more than switching between browser tabs, except that you would add the Windows key to the mix. But that’s not all Sets can do and change: - In Timeline (Task View in Version 1803 and later), Windows will list previously opened set and offer to restore all app tabs in one go.
- When you pres Alt+Tab, you’ll be able to cycle through Edge tabs and other windows. This is because, in reality, app tabs are apps running inside Edge container window, so will be treated as switching between apps. You can change it so that Alt+Tab will let you cycle between app windows instead, which means only the focused app in a set will be visible.
- You can ask Windows to open things you click from one app in another window or a tab. For example, if you click a link in outlook, Windows will either open the link in a new browser window or a new Edge tab.
There are practical consequences as a result of using Sets: - Tabbed File Explorer: you’ll be able to view multiple folders and drives in one sitting.
- Writing papers and viewing research results: you can have an app tabs set where you have Word or Libreoffice Writer open and a collection of Edge tabs with research data.
- Updating currency conversion formula in Excel: you can have a workbook open in Excel while using latest currency conversion results from Calculator app and update your spreadsheet accordingly.
- Testing accessibility of an app while debugging it via Python Console: you’ll be able to open a set where one tab is NVDA’s own Python Console and the other one could be an app you’re actively testing.
Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 9:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 Can you please explain what is meant by "the new feature of sets" and how do I find this and turn it on? Also, why would I need it on? Does it help with screen reader accessibility?
Thanks.
Roger
On 5/16/2018 11:00 AM, Gene wrote: That is only true if a lot of users, sighted users, get annoyed enough to matter. A lot of the changes that inconvenience blind users until they learn how to use them may be intuitive and quickly understood by sighted users. and, in the case of screen-reader problems, sighted people wouldn't have any of those problems. Also, as in the new feature of sets, they may not be on by default. As I recall what I read, sets is off by default. But every time a new major update to Windows comes out, I see enough blind users have problems that I'm in no hurry to get Windows 10. Even if the problems are temporary, such as screen-reader problems that are dealt with not too long after the upgrade, Windows 10 has nothing I want that justifies even relatively minor inconveniences time after time. I'll get it when I get a new computer. I won't upgrade a machine that is working very well with an earlier version of Windows. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 I think the one thing I'm really annoyed about is that Microsoft keep on
fiddling with things that used to work and making them not work. I have
actually given up on 10 as a working platform, unless Microsoft can simply
provide a system stable and just with security updates like windows 7. They
are not doing themselves any good by bringing out new versions of windows
every6 months or so in my view, they are going to make Windows 7 into the
keep hold of system just like XP if they are not more careful. Fine have new
features but do not change the whole concept and still call it windows 10.
that is just silly. That is my feeling after being exposed to their messing
about. its as if the developers who used to regularly screw up Skype have
been let loose on the innards of Windows!
Hides behind sofa. Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
> Oh and isn't it time NVDA installed Win 10 essentials automagically if Win
> 10 is detected? New users shouldn't certainly have to go hunting for
> addons
> for their screen reader.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
> Sent: 16 May 2018 15:43
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
>
> Hi,
>
> I just downloaded Win 10 essentials stable today, but it doesn't seem to
> make much difference.
>
> I must play a bit more.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
> list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: 16 May 2018 13:17
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
>
> I expect Joseph will be along soon to ask about the version of win 10
> essentials you have, but have you tried the pre release master snap?
> If that fails too then somebody in the development team needs to try to
> isolate what makes some machines work and others not.
> Brian
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
>
>
>> Hi Jacob,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have three machines here, all on 1803. None of them work at all
>> well with NVDA in Windows 10, in fact, File Explorer is pretty much
>> unusable, as is Outlook.
>>
>>
>>
>> At this point, I'm glad I have JAWS as well. But I don't know why
>> NVDA is so broken with 1803, more so than JAWS.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob
>> Kruger
>> Sent: 16 May 2018 09:10
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve, this sounds almost like an iteration of what I was mentioning -
>> it seems to fluctuate/vary quite a bit on/off on my one windows 10
>> 1803 machine, which is a lenovo laptop, whereas on my slightly lower
>> hardware specification desktop machine, that does however have a solid
>> state operating system drive in it, it actually seems to react a bit
>> more consistently, in terms of reading out list items, like in file
>> explorer, to me, and, this is with both of them running windows 10
>> 1803 pro 64 bit, and, currently both running NVDA master snapshot.
>>
>>
>>
>> Stay well
>>
>>
>>
>> Jacob Kruger
>> Blind Biker
>> Skype: BlindZA
>> "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
>>
>> On 5/16/2018 10:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not reading for me.
>>
>>
>>
>> It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don't seem to be reading.
>> For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is completely silent for me now.
>>
>>
>>
>> JAWS is reading lists quite happily.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
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Hi Group,
Once again, I am experiencing none of these symptoms with Spring
update. The only issue I have is that good old Jim Kitchen's
games won't work any more. I keep getting this 'please register
this product' message after installation when I run the game menu.
On 5/16/2018 12:47 PM, Steve Nutt
wrote:
Hi,
I have to say, over all, Windows 10
is snappier than Windows 7 ever was.
It’s just these glitches that get us.
What’s odd with this particular issue
is that NVDA and Narrator are quite broken, but JAWS is a
happy screen reader. So they are obviously doing some
serious hacking to get UIA to work as well as it does with
JAWS.
All the best
Steve
That is only true if a lot of
users, sighted users, get annoyed enough to matter. A lot
of the changes that inconvenience blind users until they
learn how to use them may be intuitive and quickly
understood by sighted users. and, in the case of
screen-reader problems, sighted people wouldn't have any
of those problems. Also, as in the new feature of sets,
they may not be on by default. As I recall what I read,
sets is off by default.
But every time a new major update
to Windows comes out, I see enough blind users have
problems that I'm in no hurry to get Windows 10. Even if
the problems are temporary, such as screen-reader problems
that are dealt with not too long after the upgrade,
Windows 10 has nothing I want that justifies even
relatively minor inconveniences time after time.
I'll get it when I get a new
computer. I won't upgrade a machine that is working very
well with an earlier version of Windows.
----- Original Message -----
Sent:
Wednesday, May 16, 2018 10:47 AM
Subject:
Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10
1803
I think the one thing I'm really annoyed
about is that Microsoft keep on
fiddling with things that used to work and making them not
work. I have
actually given up on 10 as a working platform, unless
Microsoft can simply
provide a system stable and just with security updates like
windows 7. They
are not doing themselves any good by bringing out new versions
of windows
every6 months or so in my view, they are going to make Windows
7 into the
keep hold of system just like XP if they are not more careful.
Fine have new
features but do not change the whole concept and still call it
windows 10.
that is just silly. That is my feeling after being exposed to
their messing
about. its as if the developers who used to regularly screw up
Skype have
been let loose on the innards of Windows!
Hides behind sofa. Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10
1803
> Oh and isn't it time NVDA installed Win 10 essentials
automagically if Win
> 10 is detected? New users shouldn't certainly have to go
hunting for
> addons
> for their screen reader.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
> Sent: 16 May 2018 15:43
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows
10 1803
>
> Hi,
>
> I just downloaded Win 10 essentials stable today, but it
doesn't seem to
> make much difference.
>
> I must play a bit more.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
> list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: 16 May 2018 13:17
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows
10 1803
>
> I expect Joseph will be along soon to ask about the
version of win 10
> essentials you have, but have you tried the pre release
master snap?
> If that fails too then somebody in the development team
needs to try to
> isolate what makes some machines work and others not.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting
'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows
10 1803
>
>
>> Hi Jacob,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have three machines here, all on 1803. None of
them work at all
>> well with NVDA in Windows 10, in fact, File Explorer
is pretty much
>> unusable, as is Outlook.
>>
>>
>>
>> At this point, I'm glad I have JAWS as well. But I
don't know why
>> NVDA is so broken with 1803, more so than JAWS.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Jacob
>> Kruger
>> Sent: 16 May 2018 09:10
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest
Windows 10 1803
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve, this sounds almost like an iteration of what I
was mentioning -
>> it seems to fluctuate/vary quite a bit on/off on my
one windows 10
>> 1803 machine, which is a lenovo laptop, whereas on my
slightly lower
>> hardware specification desktop machine, that does
however have a solid
>> state operating system drive in it, it actually seems
to react a bit
>> more consistently, in terms of reading out list
items, like in file
>> explorer, to me, and, this is with both of them
running windows 10
>> 1803 pro 64 bit, and, currently both running NVDA
master snapshot.
>>
>>
>>
>> Stay well
>>
>>
>>
>> Jacob Kruger
>> Blind Biker
>> Skype: BlindZA
>> "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is
versatile..."
>>
>> On 5/16/2018 10:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I recently reported that Outlook message lists were
not reading for me.
>>
>>
>>
>> It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don't
seem to be reading.
>> For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 is
completely silent for me now.
>>
>>
>>
>> JAWS is reading lists quite happily.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Computer Room Services
>>
>> 77 Exeter Close
>>
>> Stevenage
>>
>> Hertfordshire
>>
>> SG1 4PW
>>
>> Tel: +44(0)1438-742286
>>
>> Mob: +44(0)7956-334938
>>
>> Fax: +44(0)1438-759589
>>
>> Email: <mailto:steve@...> steve@...
>>
>> Web: <http://www.comproom.co.uk/> http://www.comproom.co.uk
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