----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Gray" <chris@...>
To: "NVDA Mailing List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Hello:

As some will know, Magix now owns and updates Sound Forge. The most recent release is 12.5.

This version is not working very well at all with NVDA. Even the simplest of activities, highlighting a segment of audio and getting it to play back is not working for me. Also, my position in a sound file tends to jump around in ways I don't understand. Suddenly, I might find myself 2-3 minutes into a file for no reason at all.

Anybody know of a fix for this?

Chris

****************************************
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----------------------------------------
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Missouri Council of the Blind

5453 Chippewa
St. Louis, MO 63109
Phone: (314) 832-7172
Toll-free: (800) 342-5632
Fax: (314) 832-7796

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher
Gray
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 1:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Yes, I am told that Jaws works well with the Version 12 series. Brian
Hartgen,
I believe, has a comprehensive set of Jaws scripts and tutorials. Cobra had
its
own scripts for Soundforge 9 and 10, but 12 is new and Baum had developed no

replacement before its current dormancy.

Soundforge has always required scripting and I sincerely doubt one can get
anywhere by contacting them about accessibility issues.

Chris


On Wed, 16 May
2018, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Does anyone know if jaws is OK with the new version. I was not aware that
nvda had been tested with any version since it went mega commercial.
I'm using Goldwave here, but obviously the program you are using has a
chequered career and has been written by lots of different folk over the
years, I'd not be surprised if accessibility is quite low on their radar.

We

would normally say, if you are a paying customer and it used to work

before,

that you should be able to have a word with them about changes like

this.

I think the general advice is to contact them, and then if they seem not

to

want to fix it, take either further action or see if anyone can write a
patch for nvda, but if the program costs money it can be difficult to find

somebody to do it.
Brian

bglists@...
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Gray" <chris@...>
To: "NVDA Mailing List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Hello:

As some will know, Magix now owns and updates Sound Forge. The most
recent release is 12.5.

This version is not working very well at all with NVDA. Even the
simplest of activities, highlighting a segment of audio and getting it

to

play back is not working for me. Also, my position in a sound file

tends

to jump around in ways I don't understand. Suddenly, I might find

myself

2-3 minutes into a file for no reason at all.

Anybody know of a fix for this?

Chris

****************************************
Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri

Council

of the Blind in
your Will or Estate Plan? Contact me as shown below and I can help you
with this.

----------------------------------------
Christopher Gray, Executive Director
Missouri Council of the Blind

5453 Chippewa
St. Louis, MO 63109
Phone: (314) 832-7172
Toll-free: (800) 342-5632
Fax: (314) 832-7796

Like Jazz? Want to know more about jazz?
Tune into "A Journey into Jazz" with the Jazz Guys on the Global Voice,
Chris and Don.
Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M.
Pacific
Find us by going to theglobalvoice.info/broadband.pls.
Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen to
Past Shows" link any time during the week after each live broadcast.
You can also go to the link www.jazzguys.libsyn.com for the podcasts!
Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.

****************************************
Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri Council of
the Blind in
your Will or Estate Plan? Contact me as shown below and I can help you with
this.

----------------------------------------
Christopher Gray, Executive Director
Missouri Council of the Blind

5453 Chippewa
St. Louis, MO 63109
Phone: (314) 832-7172
Toll-free: (800) 342-5632
Fax: (314) 832-7796

Like Jazz? Want to know more about jazz?
Tune into "A Journey into Jazz" with the Jazz Guys on the Global Voice,
Chris and Don.
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Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.

From: Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 2:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

 

Jaws, as with Cobra, scripts come as part of the Jaws install.  That is what

several Jaws users have told me.  Brian Hartgen's scripts are in addition.

 

Be all this as it may, Soundforge 12.5 is not working with NVDA and that, for

me, is a huge issue.  What is the process in NVDA to start discovering a

solution for this?

 

Chris

 

 

On Wed, 16 May 2018, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

 

> Uh, I'm not meaning hear to be rude, but as a professional sound engineer, I

> can say with absolute certainty, that unless there is functionality I'm not

> seeing, which is unlikely, I use Soundforge almost daily with no scripts,

> unless they come preinstalled with JAWS, and I'm able to do quite a lot. I

> can edit, mix, master, etc. I've been able to ever since version 4.5 way

> back in the days, which is when I first started using it.

> 

> Anyway, I mean this with all due respect, but, alas, I digress.

> 

> Chris.

> 

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher

> Gray

> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 1:27 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

> 

> Yes, I am told that Jaws works well with the Version 12 series.  Brian

> Hartgen,

> I believe, has a comprehensive set of Jaws scripts and tutorials.  Cobra had

> its

> own scripts for Soundforge 9 and 10, but 12 is new and Baum had developed no

> 

> replacement before its current dormancy.

> 

> Soundforge has always required scripting and I sincerely doubt one can get

> anywhere by contacting them about accessibility issues.

> 

> Chris

> 

> 

> On Wed, 16 May

> 2018, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

> 

>> Does anyone know if jaws is OK with the new version. I was not aware that

>> nvda had been tested with any version since it went mega commercial.

>> I'm using Goldwave here, but obviously the program you are using has a

>> chequered career and has been written by lots of different folk over the

>> years, I'd not be surprised if accessibility is quite low on their radar.

> We

>> would normally say, if you are a paying customer and it used to work

> before,

>> that you should be able to  have  a word with them about changes like

> this.

>> I think the general advice is to contact them, and then if they seem not

> to

>> want to fix it, take either further action or see if anyone can write a

>> patch for nvda, but if the program costs money it can be difficult to find

> 

>> somebody to do it.

>> Brian

>> 

>> bglists@...

>> Sent via blueyonder.

>> Please address personal E-mail to:-

>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

>> in the display name field.

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Gray" <chris@...>

>> To: "NVDA Mailing List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:49 PM

>> Subject: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

>> 

>> 

>>>  Hello:

>>> 

>>>  As some will know, Magix now owns and updates Sound Forge.  The most

>>>  recent release is 12.5.

>>> 

>>>  This version is not working very well at all with NVDA.  Even the

>>>  simplest of activities, highlighting a segment of audio and getting it

> to

>>>  play back is not working for me.  Also, my position in a sound file

> tends

>>>  to jump around in ways I don't understand.  Suddenly, I might find

> myself

>>>  2-3 minutes into a file for no reason at all.

>>> 

>>>  Anybody know of a fix for this?

>>> 

>>>  Chris

>>> 

>>>  ****************************************

>>>  Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri

> Council

>>>  of the Blind in

>>>  your Will or Estate Plan?  Contact me as shown below and I can help you

>>>  with this.

>>> 

>>>  ----------------------------------------

>>>  Christopher Gray, Executive Director

>>>  Missouri Council of the Blind

>>> 

>>>  5453 Chippewa

>>>  St. Louis, MO 63109

>>>  Phone:     (314) 832-7172

>>>  Toll-free: (800) 342-5632

>>>  Fax:       (314) 832-7796

>>> 

>>>  Like Jazz?  Want to know more about jazz?

>>>  Tune into "A Journey into Jazz" with the Jazz Guys on the Global Voice,

>>>  Chris and Don.

>>>  Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M.

>>>  Pacific

>>>  Find us by going to theglobalvoice.info/broadband.pls.

>>>  Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen to

>>>  Past Shows" link any time during the week after each live broadcast.

>>>  You can also go to the link www.jazzguys.libsyn.com for the podcasts!

>>>  Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> 

> ****************************************

> Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri Council of

> the Blind in

> your Will or Estate Plan?  Contact me as shown below and I can help you with

> this.

> 

> ----------------------------------------

> Christopher Gray, Executive Director

> Missouri Council of the Blind

> 

> 5453 Chippewa

> St. Louis, MO 63109

> Phone:     (314) 832-7172

> Toll-free: (800) 342-5632

> Fax:       (314) 832-7796

> 

> Like Jazz?  Want to know more about jazz?

> Tune into "A Journey into Jazz" with the Jazz Guys on the Global Voice,

> Chris and Don.

> Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M.

> Pacific

> Find us by going to theglobalvoice.info/broadband.pls.

> Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen to

> Past Shows" link any time during the week after each live broadcast.

> You can also go to the link www.jazzguys.libsyn.com for the podcasts!

> Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>

> 

> 

 

****************************************

Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri Council of the Blind in

your Will or Estate Plan?  Contact me as shown below and I can help you with this.

 

----------------------------------------

Christopher Gray, Executive Director

Missouri Council of the Blind

 

5453 Chippewa

St. Louis, MO 63109

Phone:     (314) 832-7172

Toll-free: (800) 342-5632

Fax:       (314) 832-7796

 

Like Jazz?  Want to know more about jazz?

Tune into "A Journey into Jazz" with the Jazz Guys on the Global Voice, Chris and Don.

Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M. Pacific

Find us by going to theglobalvoice.info/broadband.pls.

Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen to

Past Shows" link any time during the week after each live broadcast.

You can also go to the link www.jazzguys.libsyn.com for the podcasts!

Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 16 May 2018 18:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Does anyone know if jaws is OK with the new version. I was not aware that
nvda had been tested with any version since it went mega commercial.
I'm using Goldwave here, but obviously the program you are using has a
chequered career and has been written by lots of different folk over the
years, I'd not be surprised if accessibility is quite low on their radar. We
would normally say, if you are a paying customer and it used to work before,
that you should be able to have a word with them about changes like this.
I think the general advice is to contact them, and then if they seem not to
want to fix it, take either further action or see if anyone can write a
patch for nvda, but if the program costs money it can be difficult to find
somebody to do it.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Gray" <chris@...>
To: "NVDA Mailing List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Hello:

As some will know, Magix now owns and updates Sound Forge. The most
recent release is 12.5.

This version is not working very well at all with NVDA. Even the simplest

of activities, highlighting a segment of audio and getting it to play back

is not working for me. Also, my position in a sound file tends to jump
around in ways I don't understand. Suddenly, I might find myself 2-3
minutes into a file for no reason at all.

Anybody know of a fix for this?

Chris

****************************************
Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri Council
of the Blind in
your Will or Estate Plan? Contact me as shown below and I can help you
with this.

----------------------------------------
Christopher Gray, Executive Director
Missouri Council of the Blind

5453 Chippewa
St. Louis, MO 63109
Phone: (314) 832-7172
Toll-free: (800) 342-5632
Fax: (314) 832-7796

Like Jazz? Want to know more about jazz?
Tune into "A Journey into Jazz" with the Jazz Guys on the Global Voice,
Chris and Don.
Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M.
Pacific
Find us by going to theglobalvoice.info/broadband.pls.
Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen to
Past Shows" link any time during the week after each live broadcast.
You can also go to the link www.jazzguys.libsyn.com for the podcasts!
Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 16 May 2018 18:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Uh, I'm not meaning hear to be rude, but as a professional sound engineer, I
can say with absolute certainty, that unless there is functionality I'm not
seeing, which is unlikely, I use Soundforge almost daily with no scripts,
unless they come preinstalled with JAWS, and I'm able to do quite a lot. I
can edit, mix, master, etc. I've been able to ever since version 4.5 way
back in the days, which is when I first started using it.

Anyway, I mean this with all due respect, but, alas, I digress.

Chris.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher
Gray
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 1:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Yes, I am told that Jaws works well with the Version 12 series. Brian
Hartgen, I believe, has a comprehensive set of Jaws scripts and tutorials.
Cobra had its own scripts for Soundforge 9 and 10, but 12 is new and Baum
had developed no

replacement before its current dormancy.

Soundforge has always required scripting and I sincerely doubt one can get
anywhere by contacting them about accessibility issues.

Chris


On Wed, 16 May
2018, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Does anyone know if jaws is OK with the new version. I was not aware
that nvda had been tested with any version since it went mega commercial.
I'm using Goldwave here, but obviously the program you are using has a
chequered career and has been written by lots of different folk over
the years, I'd not be surprised if accessibility is quite low on their

radar.
We

would normally say, if you are a paying customer and it used to work

before,

that you should be able to have a word with them about changes like

this.

I think the general advice is to contact them, and then if they seem
not

to

want to fix it, take either further action or see if anyone can write
a patch for nvda, but if the program costs money it can be difficult
to find

somebody to do it.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Gray"
<chris@...>
To: "NVDA Mailing List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Hello:

As some will know, Magix now owns and updates Sound Forge. The most
recent release is 12.5.

This version is not working very well at all with NVDA. Even the
simplest of activities, highlighting a segment of audio and getting
it

to

play back is not working for me. Also, my position in a sound file

tends

to jump around in ways I don't understand. Suddenly, I might find

myself

2-3 minutes into a file for no reason at all.

Anybody know of a fix for this?

Chris

****************************************
Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri

Council

of the Blind in
your Will or Estate Plan? Contact me as shown below and I can help
you with this.

----------------------------------------
Christopher Gray, Executive Director Missouri Council of the Blind

5453 Chippewa
St. Louis, MO 63109
Phone: (314) 832-7172
Toll-free: (800) 342-5632
Fax: (314) 832-7796

Like Jazz? Want to know more about jazz?
Tune into "A Journey into Jazz" with the Jazz Guys on the Global
Voice, Chris and Don.
Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M.
Pacific
Find us by going to theglobalvoice.info/broadband.pls.
Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen
to Past Shows" link any time during the week after each live broadcast.
You can also go to the link www.jazzguys.libsyn.com for the podcasts!
Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.

****************************************
Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri Council of
the Blind in your Will or Estate Plan? Contact me as shown below and I can
help you with this.

----------------------------------------
Christopher Gray, Executive Director
Missouri Council of the Blind

5453 Chippewa
St. Louis, MO 63109
Phone: (314) 832-7172
Toll-free: (800) 342-5632
Fax: (314) 832-7796

Like Jazz? Want to know more about jazz?
Tune into "A Journey into Jazz" with the Jazz Guys on the Global Voice,
Chris and Don.
Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M.
Pacific
Find us by going to theglobalvoice.info/broadband.pls.
Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen to Past
Shows" link any time during the week after each live broadcast.
You can also go to the link www.jazzguys.libsyn.com for the podcasts!
Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <clgilland07@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Uh, I'm not meaning hear to be rude, but as a professional sound engineer, I
can say with absolute certainty, that unless there is functionality I'm not
seeing, which is unlikely, I use Soundforge almost daily with no scripts,
unless they come preinstalled with JAWS, and I'm able to do quite a lot. I
can edit, mix, master, etc. I've been able to ever since version 4.5 way
back in the days, which is when I first started using it.

Anyway, I mean this with all due respect, but, alas, I digress.

Chris.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher
Gray
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 1:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Yes, I am told that Jaws works well with the Version 12 series. Brian
Hartgen,
I believe, has a comprehensive set of Jaws scripts and tutorials. Cobra had
its
own scripts for Soundforge 9 and 10, but 12 is new and Baum had developed no

replacement before its current dormancy.

Soundforge has always required scripting and I sincerely doubt one can get
anywhere by contacting them about accessibility issues.

Chris


On Wed, 16 May
2018, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Does anyone know if jaws is OK with the new version. I was not aware that
nvda had been tested with any version since it went mega commercial.
I'm using Goldwave here, but obviously the program you are using has a
chequered career and has been written by lots of different folk over the
years, I'd not be surprised if accessibility is quite low on their radar.

We

would normally say, if you are a paying customer and it used to work

before,

that you should be able to have a word with them about changes like

this.

I think the general advice is to contact them, and then if they seem not

to

want to fix it, take either further action or see if anyone can write a
patch for nvda, but if the program costs money it can be difficult to find

somebody to do it.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Gray" <chris@...>
To: "NVDA Mailing List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Hello:

As some will know, Magix now owns and updates Sound Forge. The most
recent release is 12.5.

This version is not working very well at all with NVDA. Even the
simplest of activities, highlighting a segment of audio and getting it

to

play back is not working for me. Also, my position in a sound file

tends

to jump around in ways I don't understand. Suddenly, I might find

myself

2-3 minutes into a file for no reason at all.

Anybody know of a fix for this?

Chris

****************************************
Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri

Council

of the Blind in
your Will or Estate Plan? Contact me as shown below and I can help you
with this.

----------------------------------------
Christopher Gray, Executive Director
Missouri Council of the Blind

5453 Chippewa
St. Louis, MO 63109
Phone: (314) 832-7172
Toll-free: (800) 342-5632
Fax: (314) 832-7796

Like Jazz? Want to know more about jazz?
Tune into "A Journey into Jazz" with the Jazz Guys on the Global Voice,
Chris and Don.
Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M.
Pacific
Find us by going to theglobalvoice.info/broadband.pls.
Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen to
Past Shows" link any time during the week after each live broadcast.
You can also go to the link www.jazzguys.libsyn.com for the podcasts!
Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.

****************************************
Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri Council of
the Blind in
your Will or Estate Plan? Contact me as shown below and I can help you with
this.

----------------------------------------
Christopher Gray, Executive Director
Missouri Council of the Blind

5453 Chippewa
St. Louis, MO 63109
Phone: (314) 832-7172
Toll-free: (800) 342-5632
Fax: (314) 832-7796

Like Jazz? Want to know more about jazz?
Tune into "A Journey into Jazz" with the Jazz Guys on the Global Voice,
Chris and Don.
Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M.
Pacific
Find us by going to theglobalvoice.info/broadband.pls.
Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen to
Past Shows" link any time during the week after each live broadcast.
You can also go to the link www.jazzguys.libsyn.com for the podcasts!
Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Hi Brian,

To be honest, I've pretty much moved to Reaper now, because of Osara, which
of course, works well with NVDA, as our own Jamie wrote it.

Reaper also does non-destructive editing, so you can keep your original
files, and play to your heart's content.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 16 May 2018 18:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Does anyone know if jaws is OK with the new version. I was not aware that
nvda had been tested with any version since it went mega commercial.
I'm using Goldwave here, but obviously the program you are using has a
chequered career and has been written by lots of different folk over the
years, I'd not be surprised if accessibility is quite low on their radar. We
would normally say, if you are a paying customer and it used to work before,
that you should be able to have a word with them about changes like this.
I think the general advice is to contact them, and then if they seem not to
want to fix it, take either further action or see if anyone can write a
patch for nvda, but if the program costs money it can be difficult to find
somebody to do it.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Gray" <chris@...>
To: "NVDA Mailing List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Hello:

As some will know, Magix now owns and updates Sound Forge. The most
recent release is 12.5.

This version is not working very well at all with NVDA. Even the simplest

of activities, highlighting a segment of audio and getting it to play back

is not working for me. Also, my position in a sound file tends to jump
around in ways I don't understand. Suddenly, I might find myself 2-3
minutes into a file for no reason at all.

Anybody know of a fix for this?

Chris

****************************************
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of the Blind in
your Will or Estate Plan? Contact me as shown below and I can help you
with this.

----------------------------------------
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Missouri Council of the Blind

5453 Chippewa
St. Louis, MO 63109
Phone: (314) 832-7172
Toll-free: (800) 342-5632
Fax: (314) 832-7796

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher
Gray
Sent: 17 May 2018 17:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

I'm not understanding what the mix paste dialog has to do with my original
question. Maybe more detail could be helpful.

However, I think this whole discussion is missing the fundamental point that
in Soundforge 12.5, you really can't even get to square one in terms of use.

Opening a file and selecting a piece of it to delete or move is fundamental
to most tasks. It doesn't work in NVDA. Keeping your place in a file is
absolutely necessary in order to perform a multitude of tasks in sound
editing.
Stability of your location in NVDA doesn't exist right now.

Soundforge 10 does work in Jaws, Cobra and Window-Eyes. Soundforge 12.5
does work in Jaws with scripts. If I'm going to be a serious NVDA user, I
need it to work in NVDA. I have no doubt this is equally true for the many
other blind Soundforge users out there, and there are a lot of them.

Chris

On Thu, 17 May 2018, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Chris,

Well try the mix paste dialogue then, it is inaccessible with any
screen reader, unless of course, you just accept the defaults.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 16 May 2018 18:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Uh, I'm not meaning hear to be rude, but as a professional sound
engineer, I can say with absolute certainty, that unless there is
functionality I'm not seeing, which is unlikely, I use Soundforge
almost daily with no scripts, unless they come preinstalled with JAWS,
and I'm able to do quite a lot. I can edit, mix, master, etc. I've
been able to ever since version 4.5 way back in the days, which is when I

first started using it.

Anyway, I mean this with all due respect, but, alas, I digress.

Chris.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 1:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Yes, I am told that Jaws works well with the Version 12 series. Brian
Hartgen, I believe, has a comprehensive set of Jaws scripts and tutorials.
Cobra had its own scripts for Soundforge 9 and 10, but 12 is new and
Baum had developed no

replacement before its current dormancy.

Soundforge has always required scripting and I sincerely doubt one can
get anywhere by contacting them about accessibility issues.

Chris


On Wed, 16 May
2018, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Does anyone know if jaws is OK with the new version. I was not aware
that nvda had been tested with any version since it went mega commercial.
I'm using Goldwave here, but obviously the program you are using has
a chequered career and has been written by lots of different folk
over the years, I'd not be surprised if accessibility is quite low on
their

radar.
We

would normally say, if you are a paying customer and it used to work

before,

that you should be able to have a word with them about changes like

this.

I think the general advice is to contact them, and then if they seem
not

to

want to fix it, take either further action or see if anyone can write
a patch for nvda, but if the program costs money it can be difficult
to find

somebody to do it.
Brian

bglists@...
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Please address personal E-mail to:-
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Gray"
<chris@...>
To: "NVDA Mailing List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Hello:

As some will know, Magix now owns and updates Sound Forge. The
most recent release is 12.5.

This version is not working very well at all with NVDA. Even the
simplest of activities, highlighting a segment of audio and getting
it

to

play back is not working for me. Also, my position in a sound file

tends

to jump around in ways I don't understand. Suddenly, I might find

myself

2-3 minutes into a file for no reason at all.

Anybody know of a fix for this?

Chris

****************************************
Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri

Council

of the Blind in
your Will or Estate Plan? Contact me as shown below and I can help
you with this.

----------------------------------------
Christopher Gray, Executive Director Missouri Council of the Blind

5453 Chippewa
St. Louis, MO 63109
Phone: (314) 832-7172
Toll-free: (800) 342-5632
Fax: (314) 832-7796

Like Jazz? Want to know more about jazz?
Tune into "A Journey into Jazz" with the Jazz Guys on the Global
Voice, Chris and Don.
Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M.
Pacific
Find us by going to theglobalvoice.info/broadband.pls.
Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen
to Past Shows" link any time during the week after each live broadcast.
You can also go to the link www.jazzguys.libsyn.com for the podcasts!
Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.

****************************************
Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri
Council of the Blind in your Will or Estate Plan? Contact me as shown
below and I can help you with this.

----------------------------------------
Christopher Gray, Executive Director
Missouri Council of the Blind

5453 Chippewa
St. Louis, MO 63109
Phone: (314) 832-7172
Toll-free: (800) 342-5632
Fax: (314) 832-7796

Like Jazz? Want to know more about jazz?
Tune into "A Journey into Jazz" with the Jazz Guys on the Global
Voice, Chris and Don.
Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M.
Pacific
Find us by going to theglobalvoice.info/broadband.pls.
Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen to
Past Shows" link any time during the week after each live broadcast.
You can also go to the link www.jazzguys.libsyn.com for the podcasts!
Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.

****************************************
Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri Council of
the Blind in your Will or Estate Plan? Contact me as shown below and I can
help you with this.

----------------------------------------
Christopher Gray, Executive Director
Missouri Council of the Blind

5453 Chippewa
St. Louis, MO 63109
Phone: (314) 832-7172
Toll-free: (800) 342-5632
Fax: (314) 832-7796

Like Jazz? Want to know more about jazz?
Tune into "A Journey into Jazz" with the Jazz Guys on the Global Voice,
Chris and Don.
Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M.
Pacific Find us by going to theglobalvoice.info/broadband.pls.
Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen to Past
Shows" link any time during the week after each live broadcast.
You can also go to the link www.jazzguys.libsyn.com for the podcasts!
Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.

On 5/19/18, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

Hi,

No I was referring to What Chris Gilland said about Sound Forge being
completely accessible. No way is it.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher
Gray
Sent: 17 May 2018 17:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

I'm not understanding what the mix paste dialog has to do with my original
question. Maybe more detail could be helpful.

However, I think this whole discussion is missing the fundamental point
that
in Soundforge 12.5, you really can't even get to square one in terms of
use.

Opening a file and selecting a piece of it to delete or move is fundamental
to most tasks. It doesn't work in NVDA. Keeping your place in a file is
absolutely necessary in order to perform a multitude of tasks in sound
editing.
Stability of your location in NVDA doesn't exist right now.

Soundforge 10 does work in Jaws, Cobra and Window-Eyes. Soundforge 12.5
does work in Jaws with scripts. If I'm going to be a serious NVDA user, I
need it to work in NVDA. I have no doubt this is equally true for the many
other blind Soundforge users out there, and there are a lot of them.

Chris

On Thu, 17 May 2018, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Chris,

Well try the mix paste dialogue then, it is inaccessible with any
screen reader, unless of course, you just accept the defaults.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 16 May 2018 18:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Uh, I'm not meaning hear to be rude, but as a professional sound
engineer, I can say with absolute certainty, that unless there is
functionality I'm not seeing, which is unlikely, I use Soundforge
almost daily with no scripts, unless they come preinstalled with JAWS,
and I'm able to do quite a lot. I can edit, mix, master, etc. I've
been able to ever since version 4.5 way back in the days, which is when I

first started using it.

Anyway, I mean this with all due respect, but, alas, I digress.

Chris.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 1:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Yes, I am told that Jaws works well with the Version 12 series. Brian
Hartgen, I believe, has a comprehensive set of Jaws scripts and
tutorials.
Cobra had its own scripts for Soundforge 9 and 10, but 12 is new and
Baum had developed no

replacement before its current dormancy.

Soundforge has always required scripting and I sincerely doubt one can
get anywhere by contacting them about accessibility issues.

Chris


On Wed, 16 May
2018, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Does anyone know if jaws is OK with the new version. I was not aware
that nvda had been tested with any version since it went mega
commercial.
I'm using Goldwave here, but obviously the program you are using has
a chequered career and has been written by lots of different folk
over the years, I'd not be surprised if accessibility is quite low on
their

radar.
We

would normally say, if you are a paying customer and it used to work

before,

that you should be able to have a word with them about changes like

this.

I think the general advice is to contact them, and then if they seem
not

to

want to fix it, take either further action or see if anyone can write
a patch for nvda, but if the program costs money it can be difficult
to find

somebody to do it.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Gray"
<chris@...>
To: "NVDA Mailing List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Hello:

As some will know, Magix now owns and updates Sound Forge. The
most recent release is 12.5.

This version is not working very well at all with NVDA. Even the
simplest of activities, highlighting a segment of audio and getting
it

to

play back is not working for me. Also, my position in a sound file

tends

to jump around in ways I don't understand. Suddenly, I might find

myself

2-3 minutes into a file for no reason at all.

Anybody know of a fix for this?

Chris

****************************************
Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri

Council

of the Blind in
your Will or Estate Plan? Contact me as shown below and I can help
you with this.

----------------------------------------
Christopher Gray, Executive Director Missouri Council of the Blind

5453 Chippewa
St. Louis, MO 63109
Phone: (314) 832-7172
Toll-free: (800) 342-5632
Fax: (314) 832-7796

Like Jazz? Want to know more about jazz?
Tune into "A Journey into Jazz" with the Jazz Guys on the Global
Voice, Chris and Don.
Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M.
Pacific
Find us by going to theglobalvoice.info/broadband.pls.
Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen
to Past Shows" link any time during the week after each live
broadcast.
You can also go to the link www.jazzguys.libsyn.com for the podcasts!
Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.

****************************************
Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri
Council of the Blind in your Will or Estate Plan? Contact me as shown
below and I can help you with this.

----------------------------------------
Christopher Gray, Executive Director
Missouri Council of the Blind

5453 Chippewa
St. Louis, MO 63109
Phone: (314) 832-7172
Toll-free: (800) 342-5632
Fax: (314) 832-7796

Like Jazz? Want to know more about jazz?
Tune into "A Journey into Jazz" with the Jazz Guys on the Global
Voice, Chris and Don.
Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M.
Pacific
Find us by going to theglobalvoice.info/broadband.pls.
Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen to
Past Shows" link any time during the week after each live broadcast.
You can also go to the link www.jazzguys.libsyn.com for the podcasts!
Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.

****************************************
Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri Council
of
the Blind in your Will or Estate Plan? Contact me as shown below and I can
help you with this.

----------------------------------------
Christopher Gray, Executive Director
Missouri Council of the Blind

5453 Chippewa
St. Louis, MO 63109
Phone: (314) 832-7172
Toll-free: (800) 342-5632
Fax: (314) 832-7796

Like Jazz? Want to know more about jazz?
Tune into "A Journey into Jazz" with the Jazz Guys on the Global Voice,
Chris and Don.
Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M.
Pacific Find us by going to theglobalvoice.info/broadband.pls.
Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen to Past
Shows" link any time during the week after each live broadcast.
You can also go to the link www.jazzguys.libsyn.com for the podcasts!
Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.

On 5/19/18, Lenron <lenron93@...> wrote:

I downloaded the demo of sound forge 12.5 and had no luck with it with
NVDA. So decided to stick with reaper.

On 5/19/18, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

Hi,

No I was referring to What Chris Gilland said about Sound Forge being
completely accessible. No way is it.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher
Gray
Sent: 17 May 2018 17:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

I'm not understanding what the mix paste dialog has to do with my
original
question. Maybe more detail could be helpful.

However, I think this whole discussion is missing the fundamental point
that
in Soundforge 12.5, you really can't even get to square one in terms of
use.

Opening a file and selecting a piece of it to delete or move is
fundamental
to most tasks. It doesn't work in NVDA. Keeping your place in a file is
absolutely necessary in order to perform a multitude of tasks in sound
editing.
Stability of your location in NVDA doesn't exist right now.

Soundforge 10 does work in Jaws, Cobra and Window-Eyes. Soundforge 12.5
does work in Jaws with scripts. If I'm going to be a serious NVDA user,
I
need it to work in NVDA. I have no doubt this is equally true for the
many
other blind Soundforge users out there, and there are a lot of them.

Chris

On Thu, 17 May 2018, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Chris,

Well try the mix paste dialogue then, it is inaccessible with any
screen reader, unless of course, you just accept the defaults.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 16 May 2018 18:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Uh, I'm not meaning hear to be rude, but as a professional sound
engineer, I can say with absolute certainty, that unless there is
functionality I'm not seeing, which is unlikely, I use Soundforge
almost daily with no scripts, unless they come preinstalled with JAWS,
and I'm able to do quite a lot. I can edit, mix, master, etc. I've
been able to ever since version 4.5 way back in the days, which is when
I

first started using it.

Anyway, I mean this with all due respect, but, alas, I digress.

Chris.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 1:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Yes, I am told that Jaws works well with the Version 12 series. Brian
Hartgen, I believe, has a comprehensive set of Jaws scripts and
tutorials.
Cobra had its own scripts for Soundforge 9 and 10, but 12 is new and
Baum had developed no

replacement before its current dormancy.

Soundforge has always required scripting and I sincerely doubt one can
get anywhere by contacting them about accessibility issues.

Chris


On Wed, 16 May
2018, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Does anyone know if jaws is OK with the new version. I was not aware
that nvda had been tested with any version since it went mega
commercial.
I'm using Goldwave here, but obviously the program you are using has
a chequered career and has been written by lots of different folk
over the years, I'd not be surprised if accessibility is quite low on
their

radar.
We

would normally say, if you are a paying customer and it used to work

before,

that you should be able to have a word with them about changes like

this.

I think the general advice is to contact them, and then if they seem
not

to

want to fix it, take either further action or see if anyone can write
a patch for nvda, but if the program costs money it can be difficult
to find

somebody to do it.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Gray"
<chris@...>
To: "NVDA Mailing List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Hello:

As some will know, Magix now owns and updates Sound Forge. The
most recent release is 12.5.

This version is not working very well at all with NVDA. Even the
simplest of activities, highlighting a segment of audio and getting
it

to

play back is not working for me. Also, my position in a sound file

tends

to jump around in ways I don't understand. Suddenly, I might find

myself

2-3 minutes into a file for no reason at all.

Anybody know of a fix for this?

Chris

****************************************
Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri

Council

of the Blind in
your Will or Estate Plan? Contact me as shown below and I can help
you with this.

----------------------------------------
Christopher Gray, Executive Director Missouri Council of the Blind

5453 Chippewa
St. Louis, MO 63109
Phone: (314) 832-7172
Toll-free: (800) 342-5632
Fax: (314) 832-7796

Like Jazz? Want to know more about jazz?
Tune into "A Journey into Jazz" with the Jazz Guys on the Global
Voice, Chris and Don.
Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M.
Pacific
Find us by going to theglobalvoice.info/broadband.pls.
Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen
to Past Shows" link any time during the week after each live
broadcast.
You can also go to the link www.jazzguys.libsyn.com for the podcasts!
Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.

****************************************
Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri
Council of the Blind in your Will or Estate Plan? Contact me as shown
below and I can help you with this.

----------------------------------------
Christopher Gray, Executive Director
Missouri Council of the Blind

5453 Chippewa
St. Louis, MO 63109
Phone: (314) 832-7172
Toll-free: (800) 342-5632
Fax: (314) 832-7796

Like Jazz? Want to know more about jazz?
Tune into "A Journey into Jazz" with the Jazz Guys on the Global
Voice, Chris and Don.
Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M.
Pacific
Find us by going to theglobalvoice.info/broadband.pls.
Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen to
Past Shows" link any time during the week after each live broadcast.
You can also go to the link www.jazzguys.libsyn.com for the podcasts!
Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.

****************************************
Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri Council
of
the Blind in your Will or Estate Plan? Contact me as shown below and I
can
help you with this.

----------------------------------------
Christopher Gray, Executive Director
Missouri Council of the Blind

5453 Chippewa
St. Louis, MO 63109
Phone: (314) 832-7172
Toll-free: (800) 342-5632
Fax: (314) 832-7796

Like Jazz? Want to know more about jazz?
Tune into "A Journey into Jazz" with the Jazz Guys on the Global Voice,
Chris and Don.
Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M.
Pacific Find us by going to theglobalvoice.info/broadband.pls.
Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen to
Past
Shows" link any time during the week after each live broadcast.
You can also go to the link www.jazzguys.libsyn.com for the podcasts!
Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.

--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: 19 May 2018 12:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

I downloaded the demo of sound forge 12.5 and had no luck with it with NVDA. So decided to stick with reaper.

On 5/19/18, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

Hi,

No I was referring to What Chris Gilland said about Sound Forge being
completely accessible. No way is it.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Christopher Gray
Sent: 17 May 2018 17:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

I'm not understanding what the mix paste dialog has to do with my
original question. Maybe more detail could be helpful.

However, I think this whole discussion is missing the fundamental
point that in Soundforge 12.5, you really can't even get to square one
in terms of use.

Opening a file and selecting a piece of it to delete or move is
fundamental to most tasks. It doesn't work in NVDA. Keeping your
place in a file is absolutely necessary in order to perform a
multitude of tasks in sound editing.
Stability of your location in NVDA doesn't exist right now.

Soundforge 10 does work in Jaws, Cobra and Window-Eyes. Soundforge
12.5 does work in Jaws with scripts. If I'm going to be a serious
NVDA user, I need it to work in NVDA. I have no doubt this is equally
true for the many other blind Soundforge users out there, and there are a lot of them.

Chris

On Thu, 17 May 2018, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Chris,

Well try the mix paste dialogue then, it is inaccessible with any
screen reader, unless of course, you just accept the defaults.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 16 May 2018 18:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Uh, I'm not meaning hear to be rude, but as a professional sound
engineer, I can say with absolute certainty, that unless there is
functionality I'm not seeing, which is unlikely, I use Soundforge
almost daily with no scripts, unless they come preinstalled with
JAWS, and I'm able to do quite a lot. I can edit, mix, master, etc.
I've been able to ever since version 4.5 way back in the days, which
is when I

first started using it.

Anyway, I mean this with all due respect, but, alas, I digress.

Chris.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 1:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Yes, I am told that Jaws works well with the Version 12 series.
Brian Hartgen, I believe, has a comprehensive set of Jaws scripts and
tutorials.
Cobra had its own scripts for Soundforge 9 and 10, but 12 is new and
Baum had developed no

replacement before its current dormancy.

Soundforge has always required scripting and I sincerely doubt one
can get anywhere by contacting them about accessibility issues.

Chris


On Wed, 16 May
2018, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Does anyone know if jaws is OK with the new version. I was not aware
that nvda had been tested with any version since it went mega
commercial.
I'm using Goldwave here, but obviously the program you are using has
a chequered career and has been written by lots of different folk
over the years, I'd not be surprised if accessibility is quite low
on their

radar.
We

would normally say, if you are a paying customer and it used to work

before,

that you should be able to have a word with them about changes
like

this.

I think the general advice is to contact them, and then if they seem
not

to

want to fix it, take either further action or see if anyone can
write a patch for nvda, but if the program costs money it can be
difficult to find

somebody to do it.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Gray"
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To: "NVDA Mailing List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] Sound Forge 12.5

Hello:

As some will know, Magix now owns and updates Sound Forge. The
most recent release is 12.5.

This version is not working very well at all with NVDA. Even the
simplest of activities, highlighting a segment of audio and getting
it

to

play back is not working for me. Also, my position in a sound
file

tends

to jump around in ways I don't understand. Suddenly, I might find

myself

2-3 minutes into a file for no reason at all.

Anybody know of a fix for this?

Chris

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