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Ervin, Glenn
Hi, There are many distro’s of Linux that work with Orca the screenreader, so I don’t want to keep this thread going on this list, since it’s off-topic. But I will mention that I like Ubuntu and that is the most popular distribution in use over all. I do subscribe to a Ubuntu list, and there is an Orca list as well. Folks can eMail me off list for help getting started. And here is some information on the Ubuntu list. I suspect that if you follow the link to the Ubuntu list and put subscribe in the subject, you might get subscribed. It is a low-traffic list. Info below. Glenn -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
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Ervin, Glenn
I have some info on the Orca screenreader list as well, here’s links for the list: Glenn To: <orca-list@...> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 7:00 AM Send orca-list mailing list submissions to
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
You can reach the person managing the list at
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 11:18 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] About Linux
Hi, There are many distro’s of Linux that work with Orca the screenreader, so I don’t want to keep this thread going on this list, since it’s off-topic. But I will mention that I like Ubuntu and that is the most popular distribution in use over all. I do subscribe to a Ubuntu list, and there is an Orca list as well. Folks can eMail me off list for help getting started. And here is some information on the Ubuntu list. I suspect that if you follow the link to the Ubuntu list and put subscribe in the subject, you might get subscribed. It is a low-traffic list. Info below. Glenn -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
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Ervin, Glenn
Here’s a little more, in case others are wondering about getting around in Linux… Glenn
I usually set it to laptop mode, and I use the caps-lock with U I O for prior, current, and next line And J K L For words And M comma and period For letters. I believe the numberpad works that way too. Alt F2 is like tapping the windows key in Windows. Alt + F1 brings up the programs list, there are three columns, system, places, and accessories, which is where you find common programs, like FireFox and eMail programs. You can use the applications key like you do in Windows too. Alt + Tab between windows and alt + F4 to close. Control + alt + D puts you on the desktop. Just tab around in programs like Windows. Control + Alt + T Puts you in the command-line. Exit gets you out. You need to type sudo before each command, or to stay in "administrator", type: Sudo su or sudo -s Then you will have to exit sudo and exit again to exit terminal.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 11:55 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] About Linux
I have some info on the Orca screenreader list as well, here’s links for the list: Glenn To: <orca-list@...> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 7:00 AM Send orca-list mailing list submissions to
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
You can reach the person managing the list at
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Hi, There are many distro’s of Linux that work with Orca the screenreader, so I don’t want to keep this thread going on this list, since it’s off-topic. But I will mention that I like Ubuntu and that is the most popular distribution in use over all. I do subscribe to a Ubuntu list, and there is an Orca list as well. Folks can eMail me off list for help getting started. And here is some information on the Ubuntu list. I suspect that if you follow the link to the Ubuntu list and put subscribe in the subject, you might get subscribed. It is a low-traffic list. Info below. Glenn -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
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Ervin, Glenn
To try to wrap up my info on this list, Here are some links using Orca on YouTube. The first one is Orca preferences in Sonar, which is a distro of Linux that is customized to work with Orca, and comes up talking. I think Sonar uses Arch Linux. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OWSztc3AtY This one needs the volume up, as it is hard to hear: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieo20UtUobw Here’s an article not YouTube, on the accessible Linux distros. I would put Ubuntu at the top of the list, but it is not at the top of this list. Since this is a couple of years old, Ubuntu comes with Mate desktop, not Unity as mentioned in this list. The only thing I don’t like about Vinux and Sonar is that is a bit challenging for a beginner to get Eloquence going on them. Also, they use older Kernels. https://opensource.com/life/15/8/accessibility-linux-blind-disabled Glenn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 12:08 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] About Linux
Here’s a little more, in case others are wondering about getting around in Linux… Glenn
I usually set it to laptop mode, and I use the caps-lock with U I O for prior, current, and next line And J K L For words And M comma and period For letters. I believe the numberpad works that way too. Alt F2 is like tapping the windows key in Windows. Alt + F1 brings up the programs list, there are three columns, system, places, and accessories, which is where you find common programs, like FireFox and eMail programs. You can use the applications key like you do in Windows too. Alt + Tab between windows and alt + F4 to close. Control + alt + D puts you on the desktop. Just tab around in programs like Windows. Control + Alt + T Puts you in the command-line. Exit gets you out. You need to type sudo before each command, or to stay in "administrator", type: Sudo su or sudo -s Then you will have to exit sudo and exit again to exit terminal.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
I have some info on the Orca screenreader list as well, here’s links for the list: Glenn To: <orca-list@...> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 7:00 AM Send orca-list mailing list submissions to
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
You can reach the person managing the list at
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Hi, There are many distro’s of Linux that work with Orca the screenreader, so I don’t want to keep this thread going on this list, since it’s off-topic. But I will mention that I like Ubuntu and that is the most popular distribution in use over all. I do subscribe to a Ubuntu list, and there is an Orca list as well. Folks can eMail me off list for help getting started. And here is some information on the Ubuntu list. I suspect that if you follow the link to the Ubuntu list and put subscribe in the subject, you might get subscribed. It is a low-traffic list. Info below. Glenn -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
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Devin Prater
Sonar is being merged into Vinux, which is moving over—I think they still plan this—to Fedora. I’d recommend Fedora, as it uses Gnome, the latest available and working packages, and is generally stable and pretty accessible.
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My opinion: I like the idea of Linux, but I don’t think it is as user friendly as Windows and Mac yet. Want Braille? Brltty is rather tricky to get working with Orca, and you have to ask people on IRC about that, #accessibility on irc.talkabout.cf. Want Orca to do all the cool things NVDA does? I quote: “Make it yourself and stop complaining.” If you like working things out, and are socially inclined and able to work around the “Linux is best, everyone else are evil greedy corporations especially Apple because you can’t view the source code and can’t run what Apple doesn’t want you to run, so they must be spying on you. And even though we only use Linux and Android, Apple and Windows must have worse interfaces, and most blind people don’t use Linux because they want it to work like JAWS and they complain all the time” mentality pervasive on that IRC server, where even things like Vim verses Emacs is still an issue, Linux may well work for you. I’m not trying to be negative about the people there, most of the time its a nice place until some one comes in using Mac or Windows, even if they use free software on top of their operating systems. End opinion. Another problem is getting Linux onto the computer at all. For Acer folks, you have to go into the bios and turn on the f12 boot menu, and make sure you can boot into removable media from there as well.
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Rosemarie Chavarria
This will be interesting to check out. Thanks for this info.
On 5/22/2018 10:47 AM, Ervin, Glenn
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Ervin, Glenn
Microsoft did put Linux into its Windows 10 command shell which is the command-line terminal I mentioned in my previous message. I’m currently not using Windows 10, but if I were, I’d enable the Linux shell Microsoft put there. The only thing I really don’t like much in Linux is the sudo, command with everything. That is why I always run sudo su or sudo –s to make myself administrator for that session, so I don’t have to keep typing sudo in front of every command. But it is different, and it is great for things like partitioning drives or cloning and more. It’s not my first choice of an operating system, as I’m a native Windows user, since the days of DOS but I’m not liking the direction Windows is going lately, and I think that it is a good idea to be schooled in several options. The time might come when we are all tired of Microsoft’s business practices and the eye candy it puts into its OS and if we have an option, we don’t have to be stuck in Windows. I turned a sighted friend on to Linux, and he said it screams in speed compared to his experience in Windows. He uses a mouse of course, and it keeps up with his clicking around better than his Windows ever did.
Glenn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 1:03 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] About Linux
Sonar is being merged into Vinux, which is moving over—I think they still plan this—to Fedora. I’d recommend Fedora, as it uses Gnome, the latest available and working packages, and is generally stable and pretty accessible. My opinion: I like the idea of Linux, but I don’t think it is as user friendly as Windows and Mac yet. Want Braille? Brltty is rather tricky to get working with Orca, and you have to ask people on IRC about that, #accessibility on irc.talkabout.cf. Want Orca to do all the cool things NVDA does? I quote: “Make it yourself and stop complaining.” If you like working things out, and are socially inclined and able to work around the “Linux is best, everyone else are evil greedy corporations especially Apple because you can’t view the source code and can’t run what Apple doesn’t want you to run, so they must be spying on you. And even though we only use Linux and Android, Apple and Windows must have worse interfaces, and most blind people don’t use Linux because they want it to work like JAWS and they complain all the time” mentality pervasive on that IRC server, where even things like Vim verses Emacs is still an issue, Linux may well work for you. I’m not trying to be negative about the people there, most of the time its a nice place until some one comes in using Mac or Windows, even if they use free software on top of their operating systems. End opinion. Another problem is getting Linux onto the computer at all. For Acer folks, you have to go into the bios and turn on the f12 boot menu, and make sure you can boot into removable media from there as well.
On May 22, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
To try to wrap up my info on this list, Here are some links using Orca on YouTube. The first one is Orca preferences in Sonar, which is a distro of Linux that is customized to work with Orca, and comes up talking. I think Sonar uses Arch Linux. This one needs the volume up, as it is hard to hear: Here’s an article not YouTube, on the accessible Linux distros. I would put Ubuntu at the top of the list, but it is not at the top of this list. Since this is a couple of years old, Ubuntu comes with Mate desktop, not Unity as mentioned in this list. The only thing I don’t like about Vinux and Sonar is that is a bit challenging for a beginner to get Eloquence going on them. Also, they use older Kernels. Glenn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Here’s a little more, in case others are wondering about getting around in Linux… Glenn
I usually set it to laptop mode, and I use the caps-lock with U I O for prior, current, and next line And J K L For words And M comma and period For letters. I believe the numberpad works that way too. Alt F2 is like tapping the windows key in Windows. Alt + F1 brings up the programs list, there are three columns, system, places, and accessories, which is where you find common programs, like FireFox and eMail programs. You can use the applications key like you do in Windows too. Alt + Tab between windows and alt + F4 to close. Control + alt + D puts you on the desktop. Just tab around in programs like Windows. Control + Alt + T Puts you in the command-line. Exit gets you out. You need to type sudo before each command, or to stay in "administrator", type: Sudo su or sudo -s Then you will have to exit sudo and exit again to exit terminal.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
I have some info on the Orca screenreader list as well, here’s links for the list: Glenn To: <orca-list@...> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 7:00 AM Send orca-list mailing list submissions to
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
You can reach the person managing the list at
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Hi, There are many distro’s of Linux that work with Orca the screenreader, so I don’t want to keep this thread going on this list, since it’s off-topic. But I will mention that I like Ubuntu and that is the most popular distribution in use over all. I do subscribe to a Ubuntu list, and there is an Orca list as well. Folks can eMail me off list for help getting started. And here is some information on the Ubuntu list. I suspect that if you follow the link to the Ubuntu list and put subscribe in the subject, you might get subscribed. It is a low-traffic list. Info below. Glenn -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list
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Vlad Dragomir
Hello,
I also tried to spend a while looking at Linux, and I must admit it was quite disappointing. As a result, I became an even bigger Windows advocate. Some people love itthough, so if any of you feels curious, tryand see how you feel inside that world. Good luck!
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Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Glenn,
I might eventually go with either linux or a Mac if this computer
goes out.
On 5/22/2018 11:42 AM, Ervin, Glenn
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There were people using it as a primary os for development.
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Windows sadly is what it is, everything is becoming like a smart device and to be honest who knows in the long run if all oses mirror eachother we should pick up all of them. Saying that linux, well I fiddled round with it, it was nice. My plan is to run vmware on my new workstation and use linux and older windows installs. I do have an old xp box but trouble is if I stop working on it for a while the batteries go flat and my time info is wrong. When this happens linux will not boot till I reformat and install windows there is probably a way round it to maybe make sure my time and date are set right by a script but I have never investigated.
On 5/23/2018 6:44 AM, Vlad Dragomir wrote:
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Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...>
Well, if you have to type sudo before each command, something is seriously messed up with your file permissions, you should be able to write anywhere in your own home directory. Also, telling someone to su into root is just downright dangerous, you could make sweeping changes with one command that could break the entire machine. Sudo is an administrative thing, it elevates your priveleges to do a command, and only that command, think of it like the secure UAC thing in windows, it elevates that program to administrative level until it finishes, like installers. Having programs permanently elevated to administrative level is dangerous, as it leaves the computer open to attack.
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Ervin, Glenn
I think that time problem is a matter of using UTC, or not using UTC in settings.
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I experience this on my computers when I boot up to a live copy of Linux. A search for dual boot and UTC may find your answer. HTH. Glenn
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 1:59 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] About Linux There were people using it as a primary os for development. Windows sadly is what it is, everything is becoming like a smart device and to be honest who knows in the long run if all oses mirror eachother we should pick up all of them. Saying that linux, well I fiddled round with it, it was nice. My plan is to run vmware on my new workstation and use linux and older windows installs. I do have an old xp box but trouble is if I stop working on it for a while the batteries go flat and my time info is wrong. When this happens linux will not boot till I reformat and install windows there is probably a way round it to maybe make sure my time and date are set right by a script but I have never investigated. On 5/23/2018 6:44 AM, Vlad Dragomir wrote: Hello,
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Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
sudo is not necessary for anything in your user space. The only time sudo is necessary is when you need to change system files. Otherwise, you shouldn't use sudo, and nobody should use root as their main user account. I've been using linux since 1992, and I've been doing it with speech, so anyone who claims linux isn't accessible is fooling themselves and others. This one needs the volume up, as it is hard to hear:
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Gene
The author of the article says that the short cut
to start speech is often to hold the alt and command keys and press s.
That's not remotely useful to Windows users. There is no command
key. Perhaps there is an equivalent or a key to use on a Windows
keyboard. That's a really careless omission.
Gene
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sudo is not necessary for anything in your user space. The only time sudo is necessary is when you need to change system files. Otherwise, you shouldn't use sudo, and nobody should use root as their main user account. I've been using linux since 1992, and I've been doing it with speech, so anyone who claims linux isn't accessible is fooling themselves and others. This one needs the volume up, as it is hard to hear:
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Ervin, Glenn
I always tell folks the Windows key, even though that is a taboo term in Linux. They usually say super key for the Windows key. Glenn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 5:00 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] About Linux
The author of the article says that the short cut to start speech is often to hold the alt and command keys and press s. That's not remotely useful to Windows users. There is no command key. Perhaps there is an equivalent or a key to use on a Windows keyboard. That's a really careless omission.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
sudo is not necessary for anything in your user space. The only time sudo is necessary is when you need to change system files. Otherwise, you shouldn't use sudo, and nobody should use root as their main user account. I've been using linux since 1992, and I've been doing it with speech, so anyone who claims linux isn't accessible is fooling themselves and others. This one needs the volume up, as it is hard to hear: Here’s an article not YouTube, on the accessible Linux distros. I would put Ubuntu at the top of the list, but it is not at the top of this list. Since this is a couple of years old, Ubuntu comes with Mate desktop, not Unity as mentioned in this list. The only thing I don’t like about Vinux and Sonar is that is a bit challenging for a beginner to get Eloquence going on them. Also, they use older Kernels. Glenn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Here’s a little more, in case others are wondering about getting around in Linux… Glenn
I usually set it to laptop mode, and I use the caps-lock with U I O for prior, current, and next line And J K L For words And M comma and period For letters. I believe the numberpad works that way too. Alt F2 is like tapping the windows key in Windows. Alt + F1 brings up the programs list, there are three columns, system, places, and accessories, which is where you find common programs, like FireFox and eMail programs. You can use the applications key like you do in Windows too. Alt + Tab between windows and alt + F4 to close. Control + alt + D puts you on the desktop. Just tab around in programs like Windows. Control + Alt + T Puts you in the command-line. Exit gets you out. You need to type sudo before each command, or to stay in "administrator", type: Sudo su or sudo -s Then you will have to exit sudo and exit again to exit terminal.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
I have some info on the Orca screenreader list as well, here’s links for the list: Glenn To: <orca-list@...> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 7:00 AM Send orca-list mailing list submissions to
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
You can reach the person managing the list at
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Hi, There are many distro’s of Linux that work with Orca the screenreader, so I don’t want to keep this thread going on this list, since it’s off-topic. But I will mention that I like Ubuntu and that is the most popular distribution in use over all. I do subscribe to a Ubuntu list, and there is an Orca list as well. Folks can eMail me off list for help getting started. And here is some information on the Ubuntu list. I suspect that if you follow the link to the Ubuntu list and put subscribe in the subject, you might get subscribed. It is a low-traffic list. Info below. Glenn -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list
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