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Hello everyone! Well, I know that the message I'm writting is maybe a bit out off-topic, but I have a breaking news, especially for NVDA's developers, as the NVDA project is hosted on Github. Microsoft is preparing to acquire this company, as it purchased Skype, LinkedIn, Nokia, and other companies in the past. I don't know how could we be affected, but it's well to be up to date with the things that are happening in the world as much as we can. Read these posts to find out further information. https://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=52553832https://blog.github.com/2018-06-04-github-microsoft/Cheers, Florian
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Well, not only for NVDA, also for eSpeak NG, the synth integrated on it.
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Hello everyone!
Well, I know that the message I'm writting is maybe a bit out off-topic,
but I have a breaking news, especially for NVDA's developers, as the
NVDA project is hosted on Github. Microsoft is preparing to acquire this
company, as it purchased Skype, LinkedIn, Nokia, and other companies in
the past. I don't know how could we be affected, but it's well to be up
to date with the things that are happening in the world as much as we
can. Read these posts to find out further information.
https://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=52553832
https://blog.github.com/2018-06-04-github-microsoft/
Cheers,
Florian
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I guess it depends very much on their reasons for buying it. One assumes it means making money so I'd vee very wary about that for a start. If they got it and shut it all down a heck of a lot of people would be inconvenienced and have to find a new home.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Ionașcu" <florianionascu@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 7:11 PM Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is acquiring Github Hello everyone!
Well, I know that the message I'm writting is maybe a bit out off-topic,
but I have a breaking news, especially for NVDA's developers, as the
NVDA project is hosted on Github. Microsoft is preparing to acquire this
company, as it purchased Skype, LinkedIn, Nokia, and other companies in
the past. I don't know how could we be affected, but it's well to be up
to date with the things that are happening in the world as much as we
can. Read these posts to find out further information.
https://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=52553832
https://blog.github.com/2018-06-04-github-microsoft/
Cheers,
Florian
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The Company only need to say no thanks to ms Skickades från E-post för Windows 10 I guess it depends very much on their reasons for buying it. One assumes it means making money so I'd vee very wary about that for a start. If they got it and shut it all down a heck of a lot of people would be inconvenienced and have to find a new home. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Ionașcu" <florianionascu@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 7:11 PM Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is acquiring Github > Hello everyone! > Well, I know that the message I'm writting is maybe a bit out off-topic, > but I have a breaking news, especially for NVDA's developers, as the > NVDA project is hosted on Github. Microsoft is preparing to acquire this > company, as it purchased Skype, LinkedIn, Nokia, and other companies in > the past. I don't know how could we be affected, but it's well to be up > to date with the things that are happening in the world as much as we > can. Read these posts to find out further information. > https://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=52553832 > https://blog.github.com/2018-06-04-github-microsoft/ > > Cheers, > Florian > > > > >
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Well having read it I am little wiser, its all a bit abstract really.
i just wonder what the bottom line actually is here.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Ionașcu" <florianionascu@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 7:11 PM Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is acquiring Github Hello everyone!
Well, I know that the message I'm writting is maybe a bit out off-topic,
but I have a breaking news, especially for NVDA's developers, as the
NVDA project is hosted on Github. Microsoft is preparing to acquire this
company, as it purchased Skype, LinkedIn, Nokia, and other companies in
the past. I don't know how could we be affected, but it's well to be up
to date with the things that are happening in the world as much as we
can. Read these posts to find out further information.
https://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=52553832
https://blog.github.com/2018-06-04-github-microsoft/
Cheers,
Florian
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Well I doubt microsoft will kill opensource software in general even for other oses.
They have been open since the death of win10 mobile and their mobile devices.
At least I hope that doesn't happen.
Things we could see that are positive could include the git intergration into windows development environment and windows insiders having git access or ms account needed for git access which isn't a bad thing by any stretch.
Full accessible git support etc.
However with twitter shutting down third party apps, they simply could close git down.
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On 6/5/2018 6:11 AM, Florian Ionașcu wrote: Hello everyone!
Well, I know that the message I'm writting is maybe a bit out off-topic,
but I have a breaking news, especially for NVDA's developers, as the
NVDA project is hosted on Github. Microsoft is preparing to acquire this
company, as it purchased Skype, LinkedIn, Nokia, and other companies in
the past. I don't know how could we be affected, but it's well to be up
to date with the things that are happening in the world as much as we
can. Read these posts to find out further information.
https://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=52553832
https://blog.github.com/2018-06-04-github-microsoft/
Cheers,
Florian
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Well git does professional services but still.
A universal git, I don't know.
A lot of opensource and modded things like drivers and all sorts of projects are handled there.
But a lot of stuff is done on git.
There are other platforms.
sourceforge is one of them.
Ofcause they finance themselves with opencandy and other malware.
Thats seen me abandon things like cdex, izarchiver, freemake and dvdvideosoft products sometimes I have to buy expensive other tools which may not work as well.
Cdbxp has an alternit installer, and well ccleaner with avast and chrome, well I just get used to that but even so.
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On 6/5/2018 7:26 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: I guess it depends very much on their reasons for buying it. One assumes it means making money so I'd vee very wary about that for a start. If they got it and shut it all down a heck of a lot of people would be inconvenienced and have to find a new home.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Ionașcu" <florianionascu@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 7:11 PM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is acquiring Github
Hello everyone!
Well, I know that the message I'm writting is maybe a bit out off-topic,
but I have a breaking news, especially for NVDA's developers, as the
NVDA project is hosted on Github. Microsoft is preparing to acquire this
company, as it purchased Skype, LinkedIn, Nokia, and other companies in
the past. I don't know how could we be affected, but it's well to be up
to date with the things that are happening in the world as much as we
can. Read these posts to find out further information.
https://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=52553832
https://blog.github.com/2018-06-04-github-microsoft/
Cheers,
Florian
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Well with microsoft releasing a lot of opensource thing and with its launch into other oses, android, ios and linux one assumes that this is more streamlining than anything else.
A universal accessible git would be nice for developers.
Skype for what it is is still a good platform especially now they have classic back.
On the other hand, skype itself may die, a lot of people use the facebook owned whats app, and its got better quality and well the family use it.
Its like sky tv vs netflicks and other online retailers, space is tight and limited.
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On 6/5/2018 7:48 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: Well having read it I am little wiser, its all a bit abstract really.
i just wonder what the bottom line actually is here.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Ionașcu" <florianionascu@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 7:11 PM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is acquiring Github
Hello everyone!
Well, I know that the message I'm writting is maybe a bit out off-topic,
but I have a breaking news, especially for NVDA's developers, as the
NVDA project is hosted on Github. Microsoft is preparing to acquire this
company, as it purchased Skype, LinkedIn, Nokia, and other companies in
the past. I don't know how could we be affected, but it's well to be up
to date with the things that are happening in the world as much as we
can. Read these posts to find out further information.
https://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=52553832
https://blog.github.com/2018-06-04-github-microsoft/
Cheers,
Florian
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The beauty of git is that everyone who has a local clone of a repo has the *full* history of the repo. So NVDA is in no immediate danger.
Long-term, things could get worse. But I think NVDA has a strong user community outside of Github...it will do just fine regardless of what happens to github.
Marshall
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote: Well git does professional services but still.
A universal git, I don't know.
A lot of opensource and modded things like drivers and all sorts of projects are handled there.
But a lot of stuff is done on git.
There are other platforms.
sourceforge is one of them.
Ofcause they finance themselves with opencandy and other malware.
Thats seen me abandon things like cdex, izarchiver, freemake and dvdvideosoft products sometimes I have to buy expensive other tools which may not work as well.
Cdbxp has an alternit installer, and well ccleaner with avast and chrome, well I just get used to that but even so.
On 6/5/2018 7:26 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I guess it depends very much on their reasons for buying it. One assumes it means making money so I'd vee very wary about that for a start. If they got it and shut it all down a heck of a lot of people would be inconvenienced and have to find a new home.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Ionașcu" <florianionascu@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 7:11 PM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is acquiring Github
Hello everyone!
Well, I know that the message I'm writting is maybe a bit out off-topic,
but I have a breaking news, especially for NVDA's developers, as the
NVDA project is hosted on Github. Microsoft is preparing to acquire this
company, as it purchased Skype, LinkedIn, Nokia, and other companies in
the past. I don't know how could we be affected, but it's well to be up
to date with the things that are happening in the world as much as we
can. Read these posts to find out further information.
https://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=52553832
https://blog.github.com/2018-06-04-github-microsoft/
Cheers,
Florian
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I've had little issue with opencandy as its mostly now able to be circumvented. The worst one is ccleaner since every so often they bundle avast and the choice is ticked on and it is not accessible. Indeed even unchecky does not see it as it is a button of some sort that is pressed by default not a checkbox any more I tend to try to get the portable version but often this is a version behind.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is acquiring Github Well git does professional services but still.
A universal git, I don't know.
A lot of opensource and modded things like drivers and all sorts of projects are handled there.
But a lot of stuff is done on git.
There are other platforms.
sourceforge is one of them.
Ofcause they finance themselves with opencandy and other malware.
Thats seen me abandon things like cdex, izarchiver, freemake and dvdvideosoft products sometimes I have to buy expensive other tools which may not work as well.
Cdbxp has an alternit installer, and well ccleaner with avast and chrome, well I just get used to that but even so.
On 6/5/2018 7:26 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I guess it depends very much on their reasons for buying it. One assumes it means making money so I'd vee very wary about that for a start. If they got it and shut it all down a heck of a lot of people would be inconvenienced and have to find a new home.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Ionașcu" <florianionascu@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 7:11 PM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is acquiring Github
Hello everyone!
Well, I know that the message I'm writting is maybe a bit out off-topic,
but I have a breaking news, especially for NVDA's developers, as the
NVDA project is hosted on Github. Microsoft is preparing to acquire this
company, as it purchased Skype, LinkedIn, Nokia, and other companies in
the past. I don't know how could we be affected, but it's well to be up
to date with the things that are happening in the world as much as we
can. Read these posts to find out further information.
https://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=52553832
https://blog.github.com/2018-06-04-github-microsoft/
Cheers,
Florian
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It has moved before remember but if you go back to the thread about the future of nvda a few days ago, I cannot help but feel that looking at Apple and Android, we are moving toward integrated accessibility, and third party screenreaders are not used any more. of course this reduces choice, but what it can do is allow all software writers to be accessible if they work on the platform, since compliance with the standard might in the future mean the difference between being in the main store as an app.
I think things are going this way. Would it not be great if narrator had all the responsiveness of nvda and its configurability?
Maybe this is the rose coloured glasses view and seldom are things this tidy, but the issue for commercial operations like Jaws and Supernova are not going to make those programs and their owners get into bed with Microsoft are they?
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Marshall handheld Flax" <m.droid.flax@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is acquiring Github The beauty of git is that everyone who has a local clone of a repo has the *full* history of the repo. So NVDA is in no immediate danger. Long-term, things could get worse. But I think NVDA has a strong user community outside of Github...it will do just fine regardless of what happens to github. Marshall On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote: Well git does professional services but still.
A universal git, I don't know.
A lot of opensource and modded things like drivers and all sorts of
projects are handled there.
But a lot of stuff is done on git.
There are other platforms.
sourceforge is one of them.
Ofcause they finance themselves with opencandy and other malware.
Thats seen me abandon things like cdex, izarchiver, freemake and
dvdvideosoft products sometimes I have to buy expensive other tools which
may not work as well.
Cdbxp has an alternit installer, and well ccleaner with avast and chrome,
well I just get used to that but even so.
On 6/5/2018 7:26 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I guess it depends very much on their reasons for buying it. One assumes
it means making money so I'd vee very wary about that for a start. If they
got it and shut it all down a heck of a lot of people would be
inconvenienced and have to find a new home.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Ionașcu" <
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 7:11 PM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is acquiring Github
Hello everyone!
Well, I know that the message I'm writting is maybe a bit out off-topic,
but I have a breaking news, especially for NVDA's developers, as the
NVDA project is hosted on Github. Microsoft is preparing to acquire this
company, as it purchased Skype, LinkedIn, Nokia, and other companies in
the past. I don't know how could we be affected, but it's well to be up
to date with the things that are happening in the world as much as we
can. Read these posts to find out further information.
https://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=52553832
https://blog.github.com/2018-06-04-github-microsoft/
Cheers,
Florian
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You know, with Microsoft and its recent announcements, I wouldn't be surprised if narrator suddenly was open sourced in some way or another.
I doubt it would happen, but if it did, and having direct access to Microsoft goodbye everything else. Honestly not sure how this would work since it's a core function of windows.
Maybe narrator will become yet another windows 10 app and be updated periodically, similar to talkback with android?
I can't see NVDA going anywhere, but at the same time it all hinges on Microsoft's actions because for a lot of users, if narrator had quicker response times and a few other things, it would be perfect for the basics - not that it really isn't already, not counting the latency.
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On 05-Jun-2018 1:24 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: It has moved before remember but if you go back to the thread about the future of nvda a few days ago, I cannot help but feel that looking at Apple and Android, we are moving toward integrated accessibility, and third party screenreaders are not used any more. of course this reduces choice, but what it can do is allow all software writers to be accessible if they work on the platform, since compliance with the standard might in the future mean the difference between being in the main store as an app.
I think things are going this way. Would it not be great if narrator had all the responsiveness of nvda and its configurability?
Maybe this is the rose coloured glasses view and seldom are things this tidy, but the issue for commercial operations like Jaws and Supernova are not going to make those programs and their owners get into bed with Microsoft are they?
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Marshall handheld Flax" <m.droid.flax@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is acquiring Github
The beauty of git is that everyone who has a local clone of a repo has the
*full* history of the repo. So NVDA is in no immediate danger.
Long-term, things could get worse. But I think NVDA has a strong user
community outside of Github...it will do just fine regardless of what
happens to github.
Marshall
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
Well git does professional services but still.
A universal git, I don't know.
A lot of opensource and modded things like drivers and all sorts of
projects are handled there.
But a lot of stuff is done on git.
There are other platforms.
sourceforge is one of them.
Ofcause they finance themselves with opencandy and other malware.
Thats seen me abandon things like cdex, izarchiver, freemake and
dvdvideosoft products sometimes I have to buy expensive other tools which
may not work as well.
Cdbxp has an alternit installer, and well ccleaner with avast and chrome,
well I just get used to that but even so.
On 6/5/2018 7:26 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I guess it depends very much on their reasons for buying it. One assumes
it means making money so I'd vee very wary about that for a start. If they
got it and shut it all down a heck of a lot of people would be
inconvenienced and have to find a new home.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Ionașcu" <
florianionascu@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 7:11 PM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is acquiring Github
Hello everyone!
Well, I know that the message I'm writting is maybe a bit out off-topic,
but I have a breaking news, especially for NVDA's developers, as the
NVDA project is hosted on Github. Microsoft is preparing to acquire this
company, as it purchased Skype, LinkedIn, Nokia, and other companies in
the past. I don't know how could we be affected, but it's well to be up
to date with the things that are happening in the world as much as we
can. Read these posts to find out further information.
https://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=52553832
https://blog.github.com/2018-06-04-github-microsoft/
Cheers,
Florian
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I actually fall back on narrator when nvda brakes. I love it. I used it once to control obs when nvda for some reason broke during a vodcast. I don't know how to use all of narrator but I'm learning especially the mouse functions etc.
I guess we'll see what happens tomorrow eh?
On Jun 5, 2018, at 12:38 AM, Tyler Wood < tcwood12@...> wrote:
You know, with Microsoft and its recent announcements, I wouldn't be surprised if narrator suddenly was open sourced in some way or another.I doubt it would happen, but if it did, and having direct access to Microsoft goodbye everything else. Honestly not sure how this would work since it's a core function of windows.Maybe narrator will become yet another windows 10 app and be updated periodically, similar to talkback with android?I can't see NVDA going anywhere, but at the same time it all hinges on Microsoft's actions because for a lot of users, if narrator had quicker response times and a few other things, it would be perfect for the basics - not that it really isn't already, not counting the latency.On 05-Jun-2018 1:24 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:It has moved before remember but if you go back to the thread about the future of nvda a few days ago, I cannot help but feel that looking at Apple and Android, we are moving toward integrated accessibility, and third party screenreaders are not used any more. of course this reduces choice, but what it can do is allow all software writers to be accessible if they work on the platform, since compliance with the standard might in the future mean the difference between being in the main store as an app.
I think things are going this way. Would it not be great if narrator had all the responsiveness of nvda and its configurability?
Maybe this is the rose coloured glasses view and seldom are things this tidy, but the issue for commercial operations like Jaws and Supernova are not going to make those programs and their owners get into bed with Microsoft are they?
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Marshall handheld Flax" <m.droid.flax@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is acquiring Github
The beauty of git is that everyone who has a local clone of a repo has the
*full* history of the repo. So NVDA is in no immediate danger.
Long-term, things could get worse. But I think NVDA has a strong user
community outside of Github...it will do just fine regardless of what
happens to github.
Marshall
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
Well git does professional services but still.
A universal git, I don't know.
A lot of opensource and modded things like drivers and all sorts of
projects are handled there.
But a lot of stuff is done on git.
There are other platforms.
sourceforge is one of them.
Ofcause they finance themselves with opencandy and other malware.
Thats seen me abandon things like cdex, izarchiver, freemake and
dvdvideosoft products sometimes I have to buy expensive other tools which
may not work as well.
Cdbxp has an alternit installer, and well ccleaner with avast and chrome,
well I just get used to that but even so.
On 6/5/2018 7:26 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I guess it depends very much on their reasons for buying it. One assumes
it means making money so I'd vee very wary about that for a start. If they
got it and shut it all down a heck of a lot of people would be
inconvenienced and have to find a new home.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Ionașcu" <
florianionascu@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 7:11 PM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is acquiring Github
Hello everyone!
Well, I know that the message I'm writting is maybe a bit out off-topic,
but I have a breaking news, especially for NVDA's developers, as the
NVDA project is hosted on Github. Microsoft is preparing to acquire this
company, as it purchased Skype, LinkedIn, Nokia, and other companies in
the past. I don't know how could we be affected, but it's well to be up
to date with the things that are happening in the world as much as we
can. Read these posts to find out further information.
https://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=52553832
https://blog.github.com/2018-06-04-github-microsoft/
Cheers,
Florian
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If you navigate through it carefully then you can uncheck the box.
Ofcause it all depends on what you use.
Some of my software will come up asking to install google chrome and google toolbar.
If its a new system I usually take the offer of chrome as I don't need to load it later.
Just for once, I'd like an add supported solution that had adds, software, and other offers that could be customised per user that we had an interest in including deals for what we allready owned.
I realise this envolves sharing more private information but if this stuff is here to stay it would at least make me want to at least look at the website.
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On 6/5/2018 6:19 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: I've had little issue with opencandy as its mostly now able to be circumvented. The worst one is ccleaner since every so often they bundle avast and the choice is ticked on and it is not accessible. Indeed even unchecky does not see it as it is a button of some sort that is pressed by default not a checkbox any more I tend to try to get the portable version but often this is a version behind.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is acquiring Github
Well git does professional services but still.
A universal git, I don't know.
A lot of opensource and modded things like drivers and all sorts of projects are handled there.
But a lot of stuff is done on git.
There are other platforms.
sourceforge is one of them.
Ofcause they finance themselves with opencandy and other malware.
Thats seen me abandon things like cdex, izarchiver, freemake and dvdvideosoft products sometimes I have to buy expensive other tools which may not work as well.
Cdbxp has an alternit installer, and well ccleaner with avast and chrome, well I just get used to that but even so.
On 6/5/2018 7:26 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I guess it depends very much on their reasons for buying it. One assumes it means making money so I'd vee very wary about that for a start. If they got it and shut it all down a heck of a lot of people would be inconvenienced and have to find a new home.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Ionașcu" <florianionascu@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 7:11 PM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is acquiring Github
Hello everyone!
Well, I know that the message I'm writting is maybe a bit out off-topic,
but I have a breaking news, especially for NVDA's developers, as the
NVDA project is hosted on Github. Microsoft is preparing to acquire this
company, as it purchased Skype, LinkedIn, Nokia, and other companies in
the past. I don't know how could we be affected, but it's well to be up
to date with the things that are happening in the world as much as we
can. Read these posts to find out further information.
https://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=52553832
https://blog.github.com/2018-06-04-github-microsoft/
Cheers,
Florian
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To be honest, I doubt vfo would be interested in actually joining microsoft.
Dolphin is so far behind with various things that could be a concern.
As for narator being like nvda, with the state of narator I do wander if microsoft were to ditch narator and just use nvda.
Maybe give nvda the scan feature and things like that.
Narator is not a real screen reader, a companion reader for sure but not a heavy screen reader.
As for everything becoming an app, with skype like it is and with rumors about the universal app platform being well being simply not as popular as microsoft once thought with all those restrictions, the desktop is still the future at least for a while or at least I hope.
The cloud will get used more and more.
People may subscribe to windows, office and other things in the future.
But the rest, who knows.
I would have no issue to be honest if microsoft decided to include nvda in windows by default instead of or as well as narator.
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On 6/5/2018 6:24 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: It has moved before remember but if you go back to the thread about the future of nvda a few days ago, I cannot help but feel that looking at Apple and Android, we are moving toward integrated accessibility, and third party screenreaders are not used any more. of course this reduces choice, but what it can do is allow all software writers to be accessible if they work on the platform, since compliance with the standard might in the future mean the difference between being in the main store as an app.
I think things are going this way. Would it not be great if narrator had all the responsiveness of nvda and its configurability?
Maybe this is the rose coloured glasses view and seldom are things this tidy, but the issue for commercial operations like Jaws and Supernova are not going to make those programs and their owners get into bed with Microsoft are they?
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Marshall handheld Flax" <m.droid.flax@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is acquiring Github
The beauty of git is that everyone who has a local clone of a repo has the
*full* history of the repo. So NVDA is in no immediate danger.
Long-term, things could get worse. But I think NVDA has a strong user
community outside of Github...it will do just fine regardless of what
happens to github.
Marshall
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
Well git does professional services but still.
A universal git, I don't know.
A lot of opensource and modded things like drivers and all sorts of
projects are handled there.
But a lot of stuff is done on git.
There are other platforms.
sourceforge is one of them.
Ofcause they finance themselves with opencandy and other malware.
Thats seen me abandon things like cdex, izarchiver, freemake and
dvdvideosoft products sometimes I have to buy expensive other tools which
may not work as well.
Cdbxp has an alternit installer, and well ccleaner with avast and chrome,
well I just get used to that but even so.
On 6/5/2018 7:26 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I guess it depends very much on their reasons for buying it. One assumes
it means making money so I'd vee very wary about that for a start. If they
got it and shut it all down a heck of a lot of people would be
inconvenienced and have to find a new home.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Ionașcu" <
florianionascu@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 7:11 PM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is acquiring Github
Hello everyone!
Well, I know that the message I'm writting is maybe a bit out off-topic,
but I have a breaking news, especially for NVDA's developers, as the
NVDA project is hosted on Github. Microsoft is preparing to acquire this
company, as it purchased Skype, LinkedIn, Nokia, and other companies in
the past. I don't know how could we be affected, but it's well to be up
to date with the things that are happening in the world as much as we
can. Read these posts to find out further information.
https://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=52553832
https://blog.github.com/2018-06-04-github-microsoft/
Cheers,
Florian
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Hmmm if narator got opensourced, I bet 1000 bucks we'd be in a position to catch that wave.
Being opensource ourselves, we develop addons etc faster than the competition.
Things that would be nice for me include the scan feature in narator.
For narator the extra fuctions we allready have.
For nvda the limited functions and core control would make things really good.
As for the rest.
Depending on what went for it it would depend.
Could it go to android, maybe as a reader who knows.
But apple wouldn't have a bar of it.
As for comercial, I doubt dolphin access would give a hoot, vfo may, but its not like they could take full control and shut us down so things wouldn't change, previded we got there first.
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On 6/5/2018 7:38 PM, Tyler Wood wrote: You know, with Microsoft and its recent announcements, I wouldn't be surprised if narrator suddenly was open sourced in some way or another.
I doubt it would happen, but if it did, and having direct access to Microsoft goodbye everything else. Honestly not sure how this would work since it's a core function of windows.
Maybe narrator will become yet another windows 10 app and be updated periodically, similar to talkback with android?
I can't see NVDA going anywhere, but at the same time it all hinges on Microsoft's actions because for a lot of users, if narrator had quicker response times and a few other things, it would be perfect for the basics - not that it really isn't already, not counting the latency.
On 05-Jun-2018 1:24 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
It has moved before remember but if you go back to the thread about the future of nvda a few days ago, I cannot help but feel that looking at Apple and Android, we are moving toward integrated accessibility, and third party screenreaders are not used any more. of course this reduces choice, but what it can do is allow all software writers to be accessible if they work on the platform, since compliance with the standard might in the future mean the difference between being in the main store as an app.
I think things are going this way. Would it not be great if narrator had all the responsiveness of nvda and its configurability?
Maybe this is the rose coloured glasses view and seldom are things this tidy, but the issue for commercial operations like Jaws and Supernova are not going to make those programs and their owners get into bed with Microsoft are they?
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Marshall handheld Flax" <m.droid.flax@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is acquiring Github
The beauty of git is that everyone who has a local clone of a repo has the
*full* history of the repo. So NVDA is in no immediate danger.
Long-term, things could get worse. But I think NVDA has a strong user
community outside of Github...it will do just fine regardless of what
happens to github.
Marshall
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
Well git does professional services but still.
A universal git, I don't know.
A lot of opensource and modded things like drivers and all sorts of
projects are handled there.
But a lot of stuff is done on git.
There are other platforms.
sourceforge is one of them.
Ofcause they finance themselves with opencandy and other malware.
Thats seen me abandon things like cdex, izarchiver, freemake and
dvdvideosoft products sometimes I have to buy expensive other tools which
may not work as well.
Cdbxp has an alternit installer, and well ccleaner with avast and chrome,
well I just get used to that but even so.
On 6/5/2018 7:26 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I guess it depends very much on their reasons for buying it. One assumes
it means making money so I'd vee very wary about that for a start. If they
got it and shut it all down a heck of a lot of people would be
inconvenienced and have to find a new home.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Ionașcu" <
florianionascu@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 7:11 PM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is acquiring Github
Hello everyone!
Well, I know that the message I'm writting is maybe a bit out off-topic,
but I have a breaking news, especially for NVDA's developers, as the
NVDA project is hosted on Github. Microsoft is preparing to acquire this
company, as it purchased Skype, LinkedIn, Nokia, and other companies in
the past. I don't know how could we be affected, but it's well to be up
to date with the things that are happening in the world as much as we
can. Read these posts to find out further information.
https://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=52553832
https://blog.github.com/2018-06-04-github-microsoft/
Cheers,
Florian
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Look people.
NVDA is opensource. Microsoft can't include it into windows without a whole lot of hoopla. It isn't going to happen.
There's thousands and thousands of projects at github. Microsoft isn't going to include each and every project into windows, so stop speculating about it. At this point, we don't know why microsoft is obtaining github, but we do know that of the thousands of projects there, Microsoft isn't going to have the least bit of interest in 99.99 percent of those projects, and of the ones they do have an interest in, since those projects are opensource, it's a no brainer to claim Microsoft could have ued those projects without buying the platform they're hosted on.
Buying a hosting platform does not confer ownership of the things hosted there. Just because you host your web site with a web host, does not give the web host ownership of your website. Same thing here, regardless of who owns github, that entity does not own the projects hosted there, and said projects are free to pick up and move anywhere at any time. You guys need to stop with the fear mongering. Get over it, it's a change in ownership at the moment, nothing else. What happens after that has no bearing on the current status.
We will have to wait and see what happens. Will they shut it down? Will they expand the capabilities of the site, trying to draw in more projects? Will they ignore it and leave it as is?
These are all questions nobody knows the answers to right now, and spreading rumors about the demise of hosted projects does nobody any good.
Perhaps this is just a bid to shutdown github, just like google shut down their code hosting site last year, again, nobody knows, and we won't know until after all is said and done. Saying that a large commercial company is buying a code hosting site just to get at code they already have access to just like the rest of the world is just plain silly, and in the grand scheme of things is about as ludicrous as it gets.
Give it a rest already.
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On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 07:31 am, Travis Siegel wrote:
Give it a rest already.
Amen! Every point you've made is rock solid. Microsoft, or any major company, isn't going to acquire a resource such as Github in an effort to close it down. What possible gain could come of that when anything that's hosted at Github could very easily be ported to one of its competitors? Over the last several days those competitors have put together "easy transfer" utilities because they know that they can benefit from the hysteria. Github been a private entity from the start to begin with. I am quite sure that this acquisition (which isn't even definite yet) has some parallels with Microsoft's recent and ongoing efforts to integrate a Linux environment into Windows itself. No one seems to believe that spells the imminent end of Linux. Mergers and acquisitions have been a common part of business pretty much forever. --
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134
Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.
~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore
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On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 01:43 am, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Being opensource ourselves, we develop addons etc faster than the competition.
Really? On the whole, not that I've noticed. That's what motivated me to start that other topic that need not be named here. --
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134
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Hello Sean. VFO does work with Microsoft on office 365.
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2018 1:35 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is acquiring Github To be honest, I doubt vfo would be interested in actually joining microsoft. Dolphin is so far behind with various things that could be a concern. As for narator being like nvda, with the state of narator I do wander if microsoft were to ditch narator and just use nvda. Maybe give nvda the scan feature and things like that. Narator is not a real screen reader, a companion reader for sure but not a heavy screen reader. As for everything becoming an app, with skype like it is and with rumors about the universal app platform being well being simply not as popular as microsoft once thought with all those restrictions, the desktop is still the future at least for a while or at least I hope. The cloud will get used more and more. People may subscribe to windows, office and other things in the future. But the rest, who knows. I would have no issue to be honest if microsoft decided to include nvda in windows by default instead of or as well as narator. On 6/5/2018 6:24 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: It has moved before remember but if you go back to the thread about
the future of nvda a few days ago, I cannot help but feel that looking
at Apple and Android, we are moving toward integrated accessibility,
and third party screenreaders are not used any more. of course this
reduces choice, but what it can do is allow all software writers to be
accessible if they work on the platform, since compliance with the
standard might in the future mean the difference between being in the
main store as an app.
I think things are going this way. Would it not be great if narrator
had all the responsiveness of nvda and its configurability?
Maybe this is the rose coloured glasses view and seldom are things
this tidy, but the issue for commercial operations like Jaws and
Supernova are not going to make those programs and their owners get
into bed with Microsoft are they?
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Marshall handheld Flax"
<m.droid.flax@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is acquiring Github
The beauty of git is that everyone who has a local clone of a repo has
the
*full* history of the repo. So NVDA is in no immediate danger.
Long-term, things could get worse. But I think NVDA has a strong user
community outside of Github...it will do just fine regardless of what
happens to github.
Marshall
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...>
wrote:
Well git does professional services but still.
A universal git, I don't know.
A lot of opensource and modded things like drivers and all sorts of
projects are handled there.
But a lot of stuff is done on git.
There are other platforms.
sourceforge is one of them.
Ofcause they finance themselves with opencandy and other malware.
Thats seen me abandon things like cdex, izarchiver, freemake and
dvdvideosoft products sometimes I have to buy expensive other tools
which
may not work as well.
Cdbxp has an alternit installer, and well ccleaner with avast and
chrome,
well I just get used to that but even so.
On 6/5/2018 7:26 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I guess it depends very much on their reasons for buying it. One
assumes
it means making money so I'd vee very wary about that for a start.
If they
got it and shut it all down a heck of a lot of people would be
inconvenienced and have to find a new home.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Florian Ionașcu" <
florianionascu@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 7:11 PM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is acquiring Github
Hello everyone!
Well, I know that the message I'm writting is maybe a bit out
off-topic,
but I have a breaking news, especially for NVDA's developers, as the
NVDA project is hosted on Github. Microsoft is preparing to acquire
this
company, as it purchased Skype, LinkedIn, Nokia, and other
companies in
the past. I don't know how could we be affected, but it's well to
be up
to date with the things that are happening in the world as much as we
can. Read these posts to find out further information.
https://blogs.microsoft.com/?p=52553832
https://blog.github.com/2018-06-04-github-microsoft/
Cheers,
Florian
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