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Dropbox innaccessibility again
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Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I wanted to share a folder today, but it seems on the current version this dialogue no longer works with nvda either. it just is a blank page saying its the shaere with another user item, but just like the preferences and the delete from all machines and devices one its totally empty of any controls that read at all.
Anyone care to comment? If its also happening in windows 10 maybe we can write en masse to Dropbox to get them to correct this. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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Roger Stewart
Also, it's now very difficult to accept an invite from another person to share a folder. You used to just get an email and it says who is asking you to share and there are 2 buttons--one says accept and the other says decline. That was so easy! Now you are taken to a web page of some kind and it asks you to solve a captcha and this can no longer be done as Webvisum is finished for Firefox, and I know of nothing like it that works with any other browser. Seems like dropbox wants us to just go away.
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Roger
On 6/16/2018 6:34 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I wanted to share a folder today, but it seems on the current version this dialogue no longer works with nvda either. it just is a blank page saying its the shaere with another user item, but just like the preferences and the delete from all machines and devices one its totally empty of any controls that read at all.
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Ralf Kefferpuetz
I tried that under Win10 and Dropbox 51.4 with NVDA 2018.2.
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I can share a folder, I right click it in the dropbox folder and select share. In the window coming up I select write or read only in the dropdown then I enter an email address and tab to the comment edit field, enter some comments and tab to the Enter and share button. That's it for me, the folder is shared and a message is send to the email I entered. Regards, Ralf
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Samstag, 16. Juni 2018 13:34 To: nvda@groups.io Subject: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again I wanted to share a folder today, but it seems on the current version this dialogue no longer works with nvda either. it just is a blank page saying its the shaere with another user item, but just like the preferences and the delete from all machines and devices one its totally empty of any controls that read at all. Anyone care to comment? If its also happening in windows 10 maybe we can write en masse to Dropbox to get them to correct this. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I don't think so, is there no audio version?
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The problem is everyone these days is security paranoid. I did not know about the capchar, but I have just sent them an email about the inaccessible dialogues and messages. I also have a big list of some of the problems on the dev list but no dev has commented. I shall turn it into a ticket if i get time this weekend. However if its not possible to tweak nvda to get these things to read, not withstanding the cap char then i feel that somebody in NVDA a programmer really needs to have a word with them as they talk the same language. A lot of it is written in python QT and C. It should be perfectly possible to fix the dialogues as they made them work before. As for the Capchar, Google is gradually removing those in favour of a question based system like. If the sky is cloudy is it blue. To which the answer is no of course. I particularly like the one that says in the edit field, if you are not a robot leave this field blank. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. This message sent from a Windows XP machine!
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From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again Also, it's now very difficult to accept an invite from another person to share a folder. You used to just get an email and it says who is asking you to share and there are 2 buttons--one says accept and the other says decline. That was so easy! Now you are taken to a web page of some kind and it asks you to solve a captcha and this can no longer be done as Webvisum is finished for Firefox, and I know of nothing like it that works with any other browser. Seems like dropbox wants us to just go away.
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Laz
Capture? I believe you meant to say CAPTCHA INSTEAD.
On 6/16/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote: I don't think so, is there no audio version? -- Affordably priced Accessible Talking MP3 Players, Accessible phones, Bluetooth devices, and accessories http://www.talkingmp3players.com/ Email: laz@talkingmp3players.com Phone: 727-498-0121 Skype: lazmesa Personal Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/laz.mesa Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/Talkingmp3players?_rdr
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Gene
If you use an older portable version of Firefox,
you can use Webvisum with it. You would use the portable version for sites
that require captchas and the current version or the current ESR version for
other browsing, assuming you want to use firefox for your main
browser..
Gene
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From: Roger Stewart
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again share a folder. You used to just get an email and it says who is asking you to share and there are 2 buttons--one says accept and the other says decline. That was so easy! Now you are taken to a web page of some kind and it asks you to solve a captcha and this can no longer be done as Webvisum is finished for Firefox, and I know of nothing like it that works with any other browser. Seems like dropbox wants us to just go away. Roger On 6/16/2018 6:34 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: > I wanted to share a folder today, but it seems on the current version > this dialogue no longer works with nvda either. it just is a blank > page saying its the shaere with another user item, but just like the > preferences and the delete from all machines and devices one its > totally empty of any controls that read at all. > > Anyone care to comment? > If its also happening in windows 10 maybe we can write en masse to > Dropbox to get them to correct this. > Brian > > bglists@... > Sent via blueyonder. > Please address personal E-mail to:- > briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' > in the display name field. > > > >
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Gene
The word is c a p t c h a, captcha. If you
write to someone complaining about inaccessible captures, you will loose
credibility.
Gene
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Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again The problem is everyone these days is security paranoid. I did not know about the capchar, but I have just sent them an email about the inaccessible dialogues and messages. I also have a big list of some of the problems on the dev list but no dev has commented. I shall turn it into a ticket if i get time this weekend. However if its not possible to tweak nvda to get these things to read, not withstanding the cap char then i feel that somebody in NVDA a programmer really needs to have a word with them as they talk the same language. A lot of it is written in python QT and C. It should be perfectly possible to fix the dialogues as they made them work before. As for the Capchar, Google is gradually removing those in favour of a question based system like. If the sky is cloudy is it blue. To which the answer is no of course. I particularly like the one that says in the edit field, if you are not a robot leave this field blank. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. This message sent from a Windows XP machine! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again > Also, it's now very difficult to accept an invite from another person to > share a folder. You used to just get an email and it says who is asking > you to share and there are 2 buttons--one says accept and the other says > decline. That was so easy! Now you are taken to a web page of some kind > and it asks you to solve a captcha and this can no longer be done as > Webvisum is finished for Firefox, and I know of nothing like it that works > with any other browser. Seems like dropbox wants us to just go away. > > Roger > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/16/2018 6:34 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: >> I wanted to share a folder today, but it seems on the current version >> this dialogue no longer works with nvda either. it just is a blank page >> saying its the shaere with another user item, but just like the >> preferences and the delete from all machines and devices one its totally >> empty of any controls that read at all. >> >> Anyone care to comment? >> If its also happening in windows 10 maybe we can write en masse to >> Dropbox to get them to correct this. >> Brian >> >> bglists@... >> Sent via blueyonder. >> Please address personal E-mail to:- >> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >> in the display name field. >> >> >> > > > >
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Daniel Hawkins
That is good to know, I would have spelled it wrong too. This is why I need to use the spell by character more often. Thanks for the tip!
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Actually, i've even spelled it correctly and most people don't even know what that even is called. Lol! I didn't even know the term until maybe 2012. and even my sighted relitaves don't get it. they are like, what is that and I don't understand.
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Laz
Sure, but if one is going to write a company to complain about their
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use of quote captures unquote on their web site, they're either going to think you're nuts or won't know what you're talking about. It's a good idea to call something what it is or one won't get very far. It's like going to a deli and asking for a cam shaft sandwich when one should have said Corned Beef Hash instead. the two phrases are different things just as capture and captcha are two totally different things. Laz
On 6/16/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually, i've even spelled it correctly and most people don't even know --
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As for excepting a folder I just follow the promots, no captcha for me. I just accepted a folder earlier this month for a course I'm working on.
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Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Which version of the desktop software for windows are you running. There does seem to be an issue here between versions and platforms from what I have gleaned from other people.
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com> To: "nvda list list" <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again As for excepting a folder I just follow the promots, no captcha for me. I just accepted a folder earlier this month for a course I'm working on. On Jun 16, 2018, at 7:57 AM, Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de> wrote:
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Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Unfortunately in windows 7 the dialogues do not read at all.
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I've tried this on a machine with 7 home and 7 pro now with the same result. There is nothing special about the machines, no weird software no fiddles. It just does not work. and as all other software seems to work fine I'm rather bemused. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Ralf Kefferpuetz" <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>; <nvda@groups.io> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again I tried that under Win10 and Dropbox 51.4 with NVDA 2018.2.
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Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
You are worrying about typos. We know what we mean. If I was writing to a company I'd explain the actual issue without trying to use buzz words for them.
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Laz" <laz@talkingmp3players.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again Sure, but if one is going to write a company to complain about their
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Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I did but my fingers often put things in that my brain does not intend and if neither word is in the dictionary then it gets through.
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Laz" <laz@talkingmp3players.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again Capture? I believe you meant to say CAPTCHA INSTEAD.
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Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I know, see my earlier comment on this one.
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I loved the one I saw on a newsgroup a year or so ago. That thing that has apparently got wobbly writing in it that even most people with sight cannot understand! Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com> To: "nvda list list" <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again Actually, i've even spelled it correctly and most people don't even know what that even is called. Lol! I didn't even know the term until maybe 2012. and even my sighted relitaves don't get it. they are like, what is that and I don't understand. On Jun 16, 2018, at 9:17 AM, Daniel Hawkins <computersassociated@gmail.com> wrote:
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Gene
I wouldn't assume this is a general problem.
It may be related to the preferences problewm you have.
Gene
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Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 2:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again I've tried this on a machine with 7 home and 7 pro now with the same result. There is nothing special about the machines, no weird software no fiddles. It just does not work. and as all other software seems to work fine I'm rather bemused. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralf Kefferpuetz" <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>; <nvda@groups.io> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again >I tried that under Win10 and Dropbox 51.4 with NVDA 2018.2. > I can share a folder, I right click it in the dropbox folder and select > share. In the window coming up I select write or read only in the dropdown > then I enter an email address and tab to the comment edit field, enter > some > comments and tab to the Enter and share button. That's it for me, the > folder > is shared and a message is send to the email I entered. > > Regards, > Ralf > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail > list account via Groups.Io > Sent: Samstag, 16. Juni 2018 13:34 > To: nvda@groups.io > Subject: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again > > I wanted to share a folder today, but it seems on the current version this > dialogue no longer works with nvda either. it just is a blank page saying > its the shaere with another user item, but just like the preferences and > the > delete from all machines and devices one its totally empty of any controls > that read at all. > > Anyone care to comment? > If its also happening in windows 10 maybe we can write en masse to Dropbox > to get them to correct this. > Brian > > bglists@... > Sent via blueyonder. > Please address personal E-mail to:- > briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' > in the display name field. > > > > > > > >
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Gene
It isn't a typo. It is the result of the
chronic and widespread practice of a lot of blind people not checking spelling
of unfamiliar words and relying on speech for the spelling. it doesn't
matter what you explain or how. If you write to a business or web site
administrator or whomever in a business capacity, and misspell the name of the
thing you are writing about, you lose considerable credibility and do not look
competent.
And how do you know that the thought doesn't arise
in the recipient, "If the person is misspelling the name to this extent, maybe
the person doesn't know how to use the captcha. If you want credibility in
the sighted business and other professional worlds, spell correctly and use
correct names. A typographical error is mistyping; This is
misspelling. and this issue goes much further. If you don't check
names to be sure the spelling is correct, for example of the person you are
writing to, you might use a w at the end of a name when you should use o u g
h. and in your specific case, someone might spell Brian with a y instead
of with an I or visa versa. And the list goes on.
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again company I'd explain the actual issue without trying to use buzz words for them. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laz" <laz@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again > Sure, but if one is going to write a company to complain about their > use of quote captures unquote on their web site, they're either going > to think you're nuts or won't know what you're talking about. It's a > good idea to call something what it is or one won't get very far. It's > like going to a deli and asking for a cam shaft sandwich when one > should have said Corned Beef Hash instead. the two phrases are > different things just as capture and captcha are two totally different > things. > > Laz > > On 6/16/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote: >> Actually, i've even spelled it correctly and most people don't even know >> what that even is called. Lol! I didn't even know the term until maybe >> 2012. >> and even my sighted relitaves don't get it. they are like, what is that >> and >> I don't understand. >> >>> On Jun 16, 2018, at 9:17 AM, Daniel Hawkins >>> <computersassociated@...> wrote: >>> >>> That is good to know, I would have spelled it wrong too. This is why I >>> need to use the spell by character more often. Thanks for the tip! >>> Daniel Hawkins >>> computersassociated@... <mailto:computersassociated@...> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 16, 2018, at 11:15 AM, Gene <gsasner@... >>>> <mailto:gsasner@...>> wrote: >>>> >>>> The word is c a p t c h a, captcha. If you write to someone >>>> complaining >>>> about inaccessible captures, you will loose credibility. >>>> >>>> Gene >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>>> From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io >>>> <mailto:bglists@...> >>>> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 9:57 AM >>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again >>>> >>>> I don't think so, is there no audio version? >>>> The problem is everyone these days is security paranoid. I did not >>>> know >>>> >>>> about the capchar, but I have just sent them an email about the >>>> inaccessible >>>> dialogues and messages. >>>> I also have a big list of some of the problems on the dev list but no >>>> dev >>>> has commented. I shall turn it into a ticket if i get time this >>>> weekend. >>>> >>>> However if its not possible to tweak nvda to get these things to read, >>>> not >>>> withstanding the cap char then i feel that somebody in NVDA a >>>> programmer >>>> >>>> really needs to have a word with them as they talk the same language. A >>>> lot >>>> of it is written in python QT and C. It should be perfectly possible to >>>> fix >>>> the dialogues as they made them work before. >>>> As for the Capchar, Google is gradually removing those in favour of a >>>> question based system like. >>>> If the sky is cloudy is it blue. >>>> To which the answer is no of course. >>>> I particularly like the one that says in the edit field, if you are not >>>> a >>>> >>>> robot leave this field blank. >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...> >>>> Sent via blueyonder. >>>> Please address personal email to:- >>>> briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...>, putting >>>> 'Brian Gaff' >>>> in the display name field. >>>> This message sent from a Windows XP machine! >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@... <mailto:paganus2@...>> >>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 3:46 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again >>>> >>>> >>>> > Also, it's now very difficult to accept an invite from another person >>>> > to >>>> > share a folder. You used to just get an email and it says who is >>>> > asking >>>> > >>>> > you to share and there are 2 buttons--one says accept and the other >>>> > says >>>> > decline. That was so easy! Now you are taken to a web page of some >>>> > kind >>>> > >>>> > and it asks you to solve a captcha and this can no longer be done as >>>> > Webvisum is finished for Firefox, and I know of nothing like it that >>>> > works >>>> > with any other browser. Seems like dropbox wants us to just go away. >>>> > >>>> > Roger >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On 6/16/2018 6:34 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: >>>> >> I wanted to share a folder today, but it seems on the current >>>> >> version >>>> >> >>>> >> this dialogue no longer works with nvda either. it just is a blank >>>> >> page >>>> >> saying its the shaere with another user item, but just like the >>>> >> preferences and the delete from all machines and devices one its >>>> >> totally >>>> >> empty of any controls that read at all. >>>> >> >>>> >> Anyone care to comment? >>>> >> If its also happening in windows 10 maybe we can write en masse to >>>> >> Dropbox to get them to correct this. >>>> >> Brian >>>> >> >>>> >> bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...> >>>> >> Sent via blueyonder. >>>> >> Please address personal E-mail to:- >>>> >> briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...>, putting >>>> >> 'Brian Gaff' >>>> >> in the display name field. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Affordably priced Accessible Talking MP3 Players, Accessible phones, > Bluetooth devices, and accessories > http://www.talkingmp3players.com/ > Email: laz@... > Phone: 727-498-0121 > Skype: lazmesa > Personal Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/laz.mesa > Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/Talkingmp3players?_rdr > > >
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I am on windows 10, and the latest version of DropBox reads fine for me when I share a folder and when I accept a folder invite. When I accepted a folder invite I did not have to accept any captures. :) And yes, I know how to spell captcha's but I just wanted to piss some people in this thread off. :) I'm not sure why the captcha's are appearing. I've been trying to find a decent accessibility contact all morning. My emails to other departments are opened, but not replied to. I generally don't write to general email addresses in cases like this. I have yet to get a decent reply from anybody over there so does anybody have any contacts?
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Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Actually going back to my original query about the non reading dialogues and alerts in the latest version in Windows 7..
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I had a pair of eyes here today, she says that on the screen about delete from this machine or all machines and devices there are just two buttons. One to say OK and one to say cancel. Additional text then says you need to reinstate the deletion and use a different option to just do a local delete. None of the buttons or the additional instructions are accessible here on windows 7. I'd be obliged if somebody who knows the inner workings of NVDA can look at this issue. Its probably more important that it can be fixed for preferences and the share dialogue though as it seems pressing enter on the delete alert will in fact result in a global deletion. Sadly none of the buttons are highlighted at all by any keyboard action I can come up with, indeed these buttons are not there according to nvdA/b. My guess is that they are either native windows 10 specific controls that should not be used in software like windows 7, or they are in fact not accessible to anybody. Dropbox, being the main platform used by many people I think has a responsibility to be accessible in this domain. Their web sites menu system keeps on turning on focus mode and having to have it turned off the get at the menus then when you select it goes into focus mode again. its obviously non standard so we need a real working desktop interface here. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again I know, see my earlier comment on this one.
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