Introduction, and a question


James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

Hi all,
 
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
 
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
 
I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate. 
May I start with 2 quick questions?
 
Is there a tutorial available?
 
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
 
Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
 
James B
 
 


Gene
 

Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4.  You should hear either speak command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you shouldn't hear the announcement.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi all,
 
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
 
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
 
I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate. 
May I start with 2 quick questions?
 
Is there a tutorial available?
 
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
 
Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
 
James B
 
 


Laurie Mehta
 

It is the NVDA key plus the number 4 key that toggles command keys on or off-- not the f4 key.
HTH,
LM

--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 7/22/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4.  You should hear either speak command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you shouldn't hear the announcement.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Hi all,
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate. 
May I start with 2 quick questions?
Is there a tutorial available?
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
James B


James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
 
And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem is also fixed.
 
I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
 
Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
 
I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.  So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this normal?  Orr, is there a way around this?
 
Gene, thanks,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 
Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4.  You should hear either speak command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you shouldn't hear the announcement.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 
Hi all,
 
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
 
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
 
I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate. 
May I start with 2 quick questions?
 
Is there a tutorial available?
 
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
 
Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
 
James B
 
 


Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi there James,
Welcome to the list.
Glad you like the concept of NVDA. It has been in development for over a decade now and so it's a pretty solid piece of kit and is regularly maintained.
To turn command keys off, press NVDA+4. the NVDA key is either any of the insert keys, or the capslock key.
The NVDA help is a solid source of information, but if you prefer it in tutorial/walkthrough/demonstration form, I can recommend an excellent tutorial, done by Joseph Lee, which covers most things you'll need to know about using NVDA.
Visit http://josephsl.net/tutorials, and download the "Welcome to NVDA 2018" series.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 22/07/2018 11:34 AM, James Bentley wrote:
Hi all,
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?
Is there a tutorial available?
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
James B


James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

Hi,
 
Well, after reading Gene’s response, I realized that it can be done.  So, I experimented with the key describer turned on until I discovered the right toggle.
 
Its now working as expected.
 
Regards,
 
James B
 
 
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 
It is the NVDA key plus the number 4 key that toggles command keys on or off-- not the f4 key.
HTH,
LM

--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 7/22/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4.  You should hear either speak command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you shouldn't hear the announcement.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Hi all,
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate. 
May I start with 2 quick questions?
Is there a tutorial available?
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
James B



Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi James,
If you are running NVDA from the thumb drive, then disconnecting it while it is running will cause problems for NVDA, and you will get no feedback. So yes, closing down the machine and then disconnecting your drive is, in my opinion, the best course of action.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 22/07/2018 03:35 PM, James Bentley wrote:
Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem is also fixed.
I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use. So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this normal?  Orr, is there a way around this?
Gene, thanks,
James B
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you shouldn't hear the announcement.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Hi all,
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?
Is there a tutorial available?
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
James B


James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

OK, this is a lot of help.
 
Thank you,
 
James B
 
 
 
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 
Hi there James,
Welcome to the list.
Glad you like the concept of NVDA. It has been in development for over a
decade now and so it's a pretty solid piece of kit and is regularly
maintained.
To turn command keys off, press NVDA+4. the NVDA key is either any of
the insert keys, or the capslock key.
The NVDA help is a solid source of information, but if you prefer it in
tutorial/walkthrough/demonstration form, I can recommend an excellent
tutorial, done by Joseph Lee, which covers most things you'll need to
know about using NVDA.
Visit http://josephsl.net/tutorials, and download the "Welcome to NVDA
2018" series.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Damien.


On 22/07/2018 11:34 AM, James Bentley wrote:
> Hi all,
> I am James Bentley from East Texas.
> I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
> I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and
> surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I
> predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
> May I start with 2 quick questions?
> Is there a tutorial available?
> And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down
> while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
> Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
> James B
>



Gene
 

That's right.  Good thing you corrected it so soon.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

It is the NVDA key plus the number 4 key that toggles command keys on or off-- not the f4 key.
HTH,
LM

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 7/22/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4.  You should hear either speak command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you shouldn't hear the announcement.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Hi all,
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate. 
May I start with 2 quick questions?
Is there a tutorial available?
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
James B




 


Hi James
To stop NVDA from saying something like arrow down, press NVDA+4 (Insert+4 or Jawskey+4).
One of the tutorial you can read is in the menu help of NVDA.
Other members would give you other resource
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 PM
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi all,
 
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
 
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
 
I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate. 
May I start with 2 quick questions?
 
Is there a tutorial available?
 
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
 
Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
 
James B
 
 


Gene
 

I wouldn't waste time powering down.  Even if you power down, according to what I've read, information may not be written to the drive properly before the computer stops.  If this is correct, powering down may damage information on a drive just as improper removal may.  To be safe, you might want to just use a dedicated thumb drive for NVDA, with nothing else on it, and to have another dedicated drive with you in case the first one is damaged and you want to use NVDA again when out. 
 
I consider that if the following is adhered to, the chance for corruption is minimal, or nonexistent. 
 
A file remains in use after you unload NVDA.  You may be able to use a third party utility to stop the file, but I don't think it's necessary.  As far as I know, while NVDA is being used, very little, if any,  information would be written to the thumb drive except when you do something like save changed settings. 
 
By default, NVDA saves settings on exit.  So, if you have changed settings and then shut down NVDA, just to be safe, I would say to wait a minute or two before removing the drive.  If you don't change any settings, I doubt it matters if you don't wait.. 
 
I don't have the technical knowledge of NVDA to kno if I am write that very little or no information is written, except when saving settings, but that is my guess.  I see no reason why it would need to nbe.  NVDA is placed in memory and runs from memory when you run it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
 
And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem is also fixed.
 
I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
 
Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
 
I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.  So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this normal?  Orr, is there a way around this?
 
Gene, thanks,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 
Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4.  You should hear either speak command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you shouldn't hear the announcement.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 
Hi all,
 
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
 
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
 
I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate. 
May I start with 2 quick questions?
 
Is there a tutorial available?
 
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
 
Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
 
James B
 
 


Gene
 

You are saying it will cause problems if you remove the drive while NVDA is running.  I see no reason why problems should be encountered if you unload it first, as discussed in my previous message.
 
As I understood the question, the drive was not trying to be removed while NVDA was running.  NVDA was unloaded, then safely remove hardware was attempted but it always shows the drive shouldn't be removed.  This is because a file remains in use by Windows even if NVDA is removed.  That doesn't mean any information is being sent to the drive except, perhaps, under the condition I specified. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi James,
If you are running NVDA from the thumb drive, then disconnecting it
while it is running will cause problems for NVDA, and you will get no
feedback. So yes, closing down the machine and then disconnecting your
drive is, in my opinion, the best course of action.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 22/07/2018 03:35 PM, James Bentley wrote:
> Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
> And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem
> is also fixed.
> I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
> Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
> I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a
> safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.
> So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this
> normal?  Orr, is there a way around this?
> Gene, thanks,
> James B
> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak
> command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you
> shouldn't hear the announcement.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Hi all,
> I am James Bentley from East Texas.
> I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
> I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and
> surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I
> predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
> May I start with 2 quick questions?
> Is there a tutorial available?
> And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down
> while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
> Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
> James B
>



James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

OK, I like the idea of having 2 dedicated thumb drives in case one is damaged.
 
The warning from Windows saying that files may be corrupted if I continue with removing the thumb drive makes me a bit nervous.  I may stick with powering down until I learn more.  And, I will wait several minutes to give Windows more time to finish writing files.
 
Thanks for your suggestions,
 
James B
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 
I wouldn't waste time powering down.  Even if you power down, according to what I've read, information may not be written to the drive properly before the computer stops.  If this is correct, powering down may damage information on a drive just as improper removal may.  To be safe, you might want to just use a dedicated thumb drive for NVDA, with nothing else on it, and to have another dedicated drive with you in case the first one is damaged and you want to use NVDA again when out. 
 
I consider that if the following is adhered to, the chance for corruption is minimal, or nonexistent. 
 
A file remains in use after you unload NVDA.  You may be able to use a third party utility to stop the file, but I don't think it's necessary.  As far as I know, while NVDA is being used, very little, if any,  information would be written to the thumb drive except when you do something like save changed settings. 
 
By default, NVDA saves settings on exit.  So, if you have changed settings and then shut down NVDA, just to be safe, I would say to wait a minute or two before removing the drive.  If you don't change any settings, I doubt it matters if you don't wait.. 
 
I don't have the technical knowledge of NVDA to kno if I am write that very little or no information is written, except when saving settings, but that is my guess.  I see no reason why it would need to nbe.  NVDA is placed in memory and runs from memory when you run it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 
Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
 
And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem is also fixed.
 
I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
 
Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
 
I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.  So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this normal?  Orr, is there a way around this?
 
Gene, thanks,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 
Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4.  You should hear either speak command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you shouldn't hear the announcement.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 
Hi all,
 
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
 
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
 
I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate. 
May I start with 2 quick questions?
 
Is there a tutorial available?
 
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
 
Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
 
James B
 
 


Jackie
 

James, To power down a thumb drive, go to your systray (windows key +
b), press the notification chevron button, (spacebar), then arrow thru
till you find a button to safely remove/eject hardware. Right-click
that (applications key, shift-f10), & you'll get a context menu where
you can eject the drive safely.

In addition to the user guide & the excellent materials provided by
Joseph Lee, NV Access itself has some paid training materials that go
to support continued development of NVDA. It's available at
nvaccess.org, then click the 'shop' link. The materials are available
in either ebook or audio form, & I think are quite reasonably priced,
if it's at all in your budget.

On 7/22/18, James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...> wrote:
OK, I like the idea of having 2 dedicated thumb drives in case one is
damaged.

The warning from Windows saying that files may be corrupted if I continue
with removing the thumb drive makes me a bit nervous. I may stick with
powering down until I learn more. And, I will wait several minutes to give
Windows more time to finish writing files.

Thanks for your suggestions,

James B

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

I wouldn't waste time powering down. Even if you power down, according to
what I've read, information may not be written to the drive properly before
the computer stops. If this is correct, powering down may damage
information on a drive just as improper removal may. To be safe, you might
want to just use a dedicated thumb drive for NVDA, with nothing else on it,
and to have another dedicated drive with you in case the first one is
damaged and you want to use NVDA again when out.

I consider that if the following is adhered to, the chance for corruption is
minimal, or nonexistent.

A file remains in use after you unload NVDA. You may be able to use a third
party utility to stop the file, but I don't think it's necessary. As far as
I know, while NVDA is being used, very little, if any, information would be
written to the thumb drive except when you do something like save changed
settings.

By default, NVDA saves settings on exit. So, if you have changed settings
and then shut down NVDA, just to be safe, I would say to wait a minute or
two before removing the drive. If you don't change any settings, I doubt it
matters if you don't wait..

I don't have the technical knowledge of NVDA to kno if I am write that very
little or no information is written, except when saving settings, but that
is my guess. I see no reason why it would need to nbe. NVDA is placed in
memory and runs from memory when you run it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.

And, I discovered a tutorial in the NVDA help menu. So, that problem is
also fixed.

I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.

Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.

I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive. I discovered that I can not do a safe
disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use. So, I
just powered down the box and disconnected that way. Is this normal? Orr,
is there a way around this?

Gene, thanks,

James B



From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak
command keys on or speak command keys off. It's a toggle. If off, you
shouldn't hear the announcement.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi all,

I am James Bentley from East Texas.

I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.

I am extremely impressed with NVDA. Its small, efficient, and surprisingly
powerful. Especially since it is free of charge. I predict it will
continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?

Is there a tutorial available?

And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I
am arrowing up and down through a web page?

Many thanks. And, I’m glad to be here.

James B





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Hi,
Note that the tutorial is a bit out of date, although most of its contents are applicable in later NVDA releases. I'm planning to produce several addenda to update various topics covered in there, the biggest one being the transformation of preferences dialogs - or perhaps someone could.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Damien Garwood
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 7:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi there James,
Welcome to the list.
Glad you like the concept of NVDA. It has been in development for over a decade now and so it's a pretty solid piece of kit and is regularly maintained.
To turn command keys off, press NVDA+4. the NVDA key is either any of the insert keys, or the capslock key.
The NVDA help is a solid source of information, but if you prefer it in tutorial/walkthrough/demonstration form, I can recommend an excellent tutorial, done by Joseph Lee, which covers most things you'll need to know about using NVDA.
Visit http://josephsl.net/tutorials, and download the "Welcome to NVDA 2018" series.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 22/07/2018 11:34 AM, James Bentley wrote:
Hi all,
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
I am extremely impressed with NVDA. Its small, efficient, and
surprisingly powerful. Especially since it is free of charge. I
predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?
Is there a tutorial available?
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down
while I am arrowing up and down through a web page?
Many thanks. And, I’m glad to be here.
James B


James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

Hi,

I have been trying to use safe disconnect in Windows 7. I always get the warning message even if I wait 10 minutes. So, for now, I will power down my system before removing the thumb drive until I learn more. Also, I made a backup copy of NVDA portable on a second thumb drive just for my convenience.

Thanks for all of your information.

Concerning money for helping NVDA, I have a question or 2.

I would like to donate a very small amount of money to the development of NVDA using either a debit/credit card or by phone on a monthly basis. I prefer not to use PayPal.
Does anyone have a phone number or a web site that does not use PayPal?

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

James, To power down a thumb drive, go to your systray (windows key +
b), press the notification chevron button, (spacebar), then arrow thru
till you find a button to safely remove/eject hardware. Right-click
that (applications key, shift-f10), & you'll get a context menu where
you can eject the drive safely.

In addition to the user guide & the excellent materials provided by
Joseph Lee, NV Access itself has some paid training materials that go
to support continued development of NVDA. It's available at
nvaccess.org, then click the 'shop' link. The materials are available
in either ebook or audio form, & I think are quite reasonably priced,
if it's at all in your budget.

On 7/22/18, James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...> wrote:
OK, I like the idea of having 2 dedicated thumb drives in case one is
damaged.

The warning from Windows saying that files may be corrupted if I continue
with removing the thumb drive makes me a bit nervous. I may stick with
powering down until I learn more. And, I will wait several minutes to give
Windows more time to finish writing files.

Thanks for your suggestions,

James B

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

I wouldn't waste time powering down. Even if you power down, according to
what I've read, information may not be written to the drive properly before
the computer stops. If this is correct, powering down may damage
information on a drive just as improper removal may. To be safe, you might
want to just use a dedicated thumb drive for NVDA, with nothing else on it,
and to have another dedicated drive with you in case the first one is
damaged and you want to use NVDA again when out.

I consider that if the following is adhered to, the chance for corruption is
minimal, or nonexistent.

A file remains in use after you unload NVDA. You may be able to use a third
party utility to stop the file, but I don't think it's necessary. As far as
I know, while NVDA is being used, very little, if any, information would be
written to the thumb drive except when you do something like save changed
settings.

By default, NVDA saves settings on exit. So, if you have changed settings
and then shut down NVDA, just to be safe, I would say to wait a minute or
two before removing the drive. If you don't change any settings, I doubt it
matters if you don't wait..

I don't have the technical knowledge of NVDA to kno if I am write that very
little or no information is written, except when saving settings, but that
is my guess. I see no reason why it would need to nbe. NVDA is placed in
memory and runs from memory when you run it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.

And, I discovered a tutorial in the NVDA help menu. So, that problem is
also fixed.

I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.

Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.

I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive. I discovered that I can not do a safe
disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use. So, I
just powered down the box and disconnected that way. Is this normal? Orr,
is there a way around this?

Gene, thanks,

James B



From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak
command keys on or speak command keys off. It's a toggle. If off, you
shouldn't hear the announcement.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi all,

I am James Bentley from East Texas.

I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.

I am extremely impressed with NVDA. Its small, efficient, and surprisingly
powerful. Especially since it is free of charge. I predict it will
continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?

Is there a tutorial available?

And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I
am arrowing up and down through a web page?

Many thanks. And, I’m glad to be here.

James B






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Richard Wells
 

James: I am running Windows 10, so this may not be available in Windows 7. In the disconnect dialog, there should also be a continue button, that will force close all files and eject the media. You should not have to restart. Of course, you do want to shut down NVDA properly and start JAWS before you do any of this ejecting stuff.


By the way, I am also in East Texas and am curious as to where you are. I would have asked you privately, but I couldn't figure out how to get Thunderbird to relinquish your Email address.

On 7/22/2018 9:50 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:

Hi James,
If you are running NVDA from the thumb drive, then disconnecting it while it is running will cause problems for NVDA, and you will get no feedback. So yes, closing down the machine and then disconnecting your drive is, in my opinion, the best course of action.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 22/07/2018 03:35 PM, James Bentley wrote:
Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem is also fixed.
I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use. So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this normal?  Orr, is there a way around this?
Gene, thanks,
James B
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you shouldn't hear the announcement.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Hi all,
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge. I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?
Is there a tutorial available?
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
James B


James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

Hi,
 
I moved from Houston to Nacogdoches over 30 years ago.
 
I saw the option in Windows 7 to do a forced disconnect.  Since I wasn’t shure, I decided to power down.  According to another list member, even powering down isn’t a guarantee that the thumb drive might get corrupted.
 
I created a second thumb drive so in the rare chance of file corruption, I have a backup.
 
Regards,
 
James B
 
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 
James: I am running Windows 10, so this may not be available in Windows
7. In the disconnect dialog, there should also be a continue button,
that will force close all files and eject the media. You should not have
to restart. Of course, you do want to shut down NVDA properly and start
JAWS before you do any of this ejecting stuff.


By the way, I am also in East Texas and am curious as to where you are.
I would have asked you privately, but I couldn't figure out how to get
Thunderbird to relinquish your Email address.


On 7/22/2018 9:50 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:

> Hi James,
> If you are running NVDA from the thumb drive, then disconnecting it
> while it is running will cause problems for NVDA, and you will get no
> feedback. So yes, closing down the machine and then disconnecting your
> drive is, in my opinion, the best course of action.
> Cheers,
> Damien.
>
> On 22/07/2018 03:35 PM, James Bentley wrote:
>> Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
>> And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that
>> problem is also fixed.
>> I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
>> Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
>> I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do
>> a safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in
>> use. So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is
>> this normal?  Orr, is there a way around this?
>> Gene, thanks,
>> James B
>> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
>> Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either
>> speak command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If
>> off, you shouldn't hear the announcement.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* [nvda] Introduction, and a question
>> Hi all,
>> I am James Bentley from East Texas.
>> I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
>> I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and
>> surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge. I
>> predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
>> May I start with 2 quick questions?
>> Is there a tutorial available?
>> And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down
>> while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
>> Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
>> James B
>>
>
>
>




Richard Wells
 

James: The force disconnect will close all processes on the media and eject it. I have used it hundreds of times with no undesired consequences. I know exactly where you are. I am north of you between Gilmer and Pittsburg.


On 7/22/2018 1:47 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Hi,
 
I moved from Houston to Nacogdoches over 30 years ago.
 
I saw the option in Windows 7 to do a forced disconnect.  Since I wasn’t shure, I decided to power down.  According to another list member, even powering down isn’t a guarantee that the thumb drive might get corrupted.
 
I created a second thumb drive so in the rare chance of file corruption, I have a backup.
 
Regards,
 
James B
 
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 
James: I am running Windows 10, so this may not be available in Windows
7. In the disconnect dialog, there should also be a continue button,
that will force close all files and eject the media. You should not have
to restart. Of course, you do want to shut down NVDA properly and start
JAWS before you do any of this ejecting stuff.


By the way, I am also in East Texas and am curious as to where you are.
I would have asked you privately, but I couldn't figure out how to get
Thunderbird to relinquish your Email address.


On 7/22/2018 9:50 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:

> Hi James,
> If you are running NVDA from the thumb drive, then disconnecting it
> while it is running will cause problems for NVDA, and you will get no
> feedback. So yes, closing down the machine and then disconnecting your
> drive is, in my opinion, the best course of action.
> Cheers,
> Damien.
>
> On 22/07/2018 03:35 PM, James Bentley wrote:
>> Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
>> And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that
>> problem is also fixed.
>> I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
>> Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
>> I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do
>> a safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in
>> use. So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is
>> this normal?  Orr, is there a way around this?
>> Gene, thanks,
>> James B
>> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
>> Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either
>> speak command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If
>> off, you shouldn't hear the announcement.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* [nvda] Introduction, and a question
>> Hi all,
>> I am James Bentley from East Texas.
>> I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
>> I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and
>> surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge. I
>> predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
>> May I start with 2 quick questions?
>> Is there a tutorial available?
>> And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down
>> while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
>> Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
>> James B
>>
>
>
>





James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

I think that puts us around 80 miles away from each other.
 
OK, I think I will start using the forced disconnect since its worked for you that many times.
 
James B
 
 
 
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 

James: The force disconnect will close all processes on the media and eject it. I have used it hundreds of times with no undesired consequences. I know exactly where you are. I am north of you between Gilmer and Pittsburg.


On 7/22/2018 1:47 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Hi,
 
I moved from Houston to Nacogdoches over 30 years ago.
 
I saw the option in Windows 7 to do a forced disconnect.  Since I wasn’t shure, I decided to power down.  According to another list member, even powering down isn’t a guarantee that the thumb drive might get corrupted.
 
I created a second thumb drive so in the rare chance of file corruption, I have a backup.
 
Regards,
 
James B
 
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
 
James: I am running Windows 10, so this may not be available in Windows
7. In the disconnect dialog, there should also be a continue button,
that will force close all files and eject the media. You should not have
to restart. Of course, you do want to shut down NVDA properly and start
JAWS before you do any of this ejecting stuff.


By the way, I am also in East Texas and am curious as to where you are.
I would have asked you privately, but I couldn't figure out how to get
Thunderbird to relinquish your Email address.


On 7/22/2018 9:50 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:

> Hi James,
> If you are running NVDA from the thumb drive, then disconnecting it
> while it is running will cause problems for NVDA, and you will get no
> feedback. So yes, closing down the machine and then disconnecting your
> drive is, in my opinion, the best course of action.
> Cheers,
> Damien.
>
> On 22/07/2018 03:35 PM, James Bentley wrote:
>> Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
>> And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that
>> problem is also fixed.
>> I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
>> Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
>> I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do
>> a safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in
>> use. So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is
>> this normal?  Orr, is there a way around this?
>> Gene, thanks,
>> James B
>> *From:* Gene mailto:gsasner@...
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
>> Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either
>> speak command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If
>> off, you shouldn't hear the announcement.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* James Bentley mailto:bentleyj1952@...
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* [nvda] Introduction, and a question
>> Hi all,
>> I am James Bentley from East Texas.
>> I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
>> I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and
>> surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge. I
>> predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
>> May I start with 2 quick questions?
>> Is there a tutorial available?
>> And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down
>> while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
>> Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
>> James B
>>
>
>
>