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New Google results page??
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Brian's Mail list account
Its been a few days since i tried a google search from the address bar, but now it comes up with a search choices with no apparent indication it has any function, but it does and it then seems to get very confusing. Unfortunately if you ignore it and use the search results list it seems very restricted compared to how it was. It seems to be prioritising videos and pictures, when what I really want are articles and web sites.
Is there any way to get the traditional system back or does one have to figure out the new choices system after a log in to actually make it act in a sensible way? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. |
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hi brian.
i faced this issue in the recent days. even i go to google website and write and search my desire item, but finding the result became a little difficult. what is the solution to make previous behaviour? On 8/2/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote: Its been a few days since i tried a google search from the address bar, but -- By God, were I given all the seven heavens with all they contain in order that I may disobey God by depriving an ant from the husk of a grain of barley, I would not do it. imam ali |
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Brian's Mail list account
No idea, its certainly not obvious. It seems that the old adage of if its not broken do not try to fix it has never been heard by many tech companies. I suspect that the whole thing is set up for tablet and mobile phone users, not for those trying to access via a keyboard.
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I also have startpage set up on my system and its easy to use, but its not as thorough as Google and also I have noticed that google is being crafty now, to avoid advert blockers the links often take you to a page just of adverts with a tiny link somewhere for the page you wanted to go to, so when searching for a video yesterday, it took me to an on line pharmacy and buried in the adverts for medicines was the link to the video. Not good. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Google results page?? hi brian. |
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but i think that disabling javascript can fix this problem. did you test it?
On 8/2/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote: No idea, its certainly not obvious. It seems that the old adage of if its -- By God, were I given all the seven heavens with all they contain in order that I may disobey God by depriving an ant from the husk of a grain of barley, I would not do it. imam ali |
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I noticed google have redone their site, there are results clearly labeled as either adds, web or whatever, google the site for search has gotten a lot easier to handle for me.
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On 8/2/2018 8:02 PM, zahra wrote:
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Ralf Kefferpuetz
The google site doesn't give me any probs. First you got the ads results, then the web results, so I just go down to the web results and then it is all very clear and easy...
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss Sent: Donnerstag, 2. August 2018 11:31 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Google results page?? I noticed google have redone their site, there are results clearly labeled as either adds, web or whatever, google the site for search has gotten a lot easier to handle for me. On 8/2/2018 8:02 PM, zahra wrote: hi brian. |
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Jonathan COHN
To be a little more specific about this, There are usually a few category areas on the google results page. These are often titled:
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Videos, Top News, Search Results, Advertising... These are always at H2 level so can be gotten to with the number 2 shortcut. On my most recent search there were two H1 headings The first: "Search Modes" followed by a set of text fields that are actually more like buttons to select News or Videos or Shopping. The second "Search Results" Each individual item and the "next" page bbutton are all at H3 levels. On this search I found it interesting that there was Top News, then Web Results (with some of the same links as top news) and then Videos and then more Web Results. On 8/2/18, 9:30 AM, "Ralf Kefferpuetz" <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote: The google site doesn't give me any probs. First you got the ads results, then the web results, so I just go down to the web results and then it is all very clear and easy... -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss Sent: Donnerstag, 2. August 2018 11:31 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Google results page?? I noticed google have redone their site, there are results clearly labeled as either adds, web or whatever, google the site for search has gotten a lot easier to handle for me. On 8/2/2018 8:02 PM, zahra wrote: > hi brian. > i faced this issue in the recent days. > even i go to google website and write and search my desire item, but > finding the result became a little difficult. > what is the solution to make previous behaviour? > > On 8/2/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io > <bglists@...> wrote: >> Its been a few days since i tried a google search from the address >> bar, but >> >> now it comes up with a search choices with no apparent indication it >> has any >> >> function, but it does and it then seems to get very confusing. >> Unfortunately >> >> if you ignore it and use the search results list it seems very >> restricted compared to how it was. It seems to be prioritising videos >> and pictures, when what I really want are articles and web sites. >> >> Is there any way to get the traditional system back or does one have >> to figure out the new choices system after a log in to actually make >> it act in >> >> a sensible way? >> Brian >> >> bglists@... >> Sent via blueyonder. >> Please address personal E-mail to:- >> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >> in the display name field. >> >> >> >> >> > |
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Yeah I personally love the new search page. It is faster and works well, on my mac. I don’t browse at all on windows, not on google anyway On 2 Aug 2018, at 2:31, Shaun Everiss wrote:
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Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
Hi. I have noticed that Google has recently changed it's search results criteria. Yes, there is more emphasis on video and pictoral results. A few things you can try.
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1. Press the windows key plus up arrow to maximize the search page. I am not saying it will yield better results, but it might help some. 2. try ending your search word or phrase with a question mark, like "Fishing lines?" or "Household Gadgets?" 3. Even if you are given a video or picture search result, there is no harm in clicking the page in question. There might be textual answers that might lead you somewhere. 4. You might find your answer in a page other than the first one, like in page two or 3 of the search results. Sometimes, patience can be a virtue. 5. If all else fails, or if you are in a hurry and do not have the patience to persevere with Google Search, then resort to using other search engines like Bing or Yahoo. These are my strategies, and they do work for me most times. Cheers! On 2/8/2018 4:02 PM, zahra wrote:
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Gene
All maximizing a page does is make it larger.
it doesn't change content. I do what I have done for years, use the letter
h to move by heading. There are some different headings than before.
Then there is a heading that says something like web results. I haven't
done searches to compare, but the one or two searches I've done seem to show the
same or about the same results below the web content heading.
I'm skeptical that the actual
results have changed. See this article:
Changing the results would mean
a major change in how google decides to show results in terms of their
order. I doubt they would do it and this article not saying anything
appears to be strong evidence against it or against any major change.
Are you looking above the
section of web results and seeing differences? The sections above web
results are not the search results people have been using for years. Those
under the heading appear to be.
Gene.
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Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Google results page?? criteria. Yes, there is more emphasis on video and pictoral results. A few things you can try. 1. Press the windows key plus up arrow to maximize the search page. I am not saying it will yield better results, but it might help some. 2. try ending your search word or phrase with a question mark, like "Fishing lines?" or "Household Gadgets?" 3. Even if you are given a video or picture search result, there is no harm in clicking the page in question. There might be textual answers that might lead you somewhere. 4. You might find your answer in a page other than the first one, like in page two or 3 of the search results. Sometimes, patience can be a virtue. 5. If all else fails, or if you are in a hurry and do not have the patience to persevere with Google Search, then resort to using other search engines like Bing or Yahoo. These are my strategies, and they do work for me most times. Cheers! On 2/8/2018 4:02 PM, zahra wrote: > hi brian. > i faced this issue in the recent days. > even i go to google website and write and search my desire item, but > finding the result became a little difficult. > what is the solution to make previous behaviour? > > On 8/2/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io > <bglists@...> wrote: >> Its been a few days since i tried a google search from the address bar, but >> >> now it comes up with a search choices with no apparent indication it has any >> >> function, but it does and it then seems to get very confusing. Unfortunately >> >> if you ignore it and use the search results list it seems very restricted >> compared to how it was. It seems to be prioritising videos and pictures, >> when what I really want are articles and web sites. >> >> Is there any way to get the traditional system back or does one have to >> figure out the new choices system after a log in to actually make it act in >> >> a sensible way? >> Brian >> >> bglists@... >> Sent via blueyonder. >> Please address personal E-mail to:- >> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >> in the display name field. >> >> >> >> >> > |
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Arlene
Hi there: You can also use startpage as your search engine. Been using it for years. I don't use Google and since I was given startpage as a search engine I never used Google as the search engine. On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 8:51 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
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Gene
I suspect that if you compare Google results to
other search engines,
Google will be better. In addition, if people
are concerned about privacy issues, you can get a lot more privacy by not being
logged into your Google account when you search.
Others may want to compare other search engines to
Google. One thing missing from the search engines I tried was a caching
feature. This is a very useful feature at times. And the little
comparison I've done, as I recall, it's been quite awhile, seemed to show,
though I didn't do a lot of testing and this needs to be confirmed or
disconfirmed, that I saw the most relevant results sooner in the
list.
and I'm not sure if these other sites show the
address of where the link leads. That is essential in today's security
environment unless you know how to see where the link leads in other ways.
I'd have to experiment to see if
one method is better than another, that is if having the address right there on
the page is meaningfully more convenient than using copy link location, then
reading it from the clipboard by making the screen-reader read the clipboard
content.
As far as caching goes, it is
invaluable if you are dealing with a web page that is a pdf page, or something
like an rtf document. Using the cached version opens a Google converted
version of the document. It is a standard web page. it saves you
conversion time or reading the document in a viewer. It's right there as a
web page.
Gene
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using it for years. I don't use Google and since I was given startpage as a
search engine I never used Google as the search engine. On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 8:51 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
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as i tested, my guess was true and the behaviour of google for search result is the same in compare to the previous times, when javascript is disabled. disable javascript in about:config of firefox or settings in google chrome and it should works properly. however, i only tested with firefox, not other browsers! On 8/3/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I suspect that if you compare Google results to other search engines, --
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Gene
I see no problems with how it works with scripts
enabled. There are some categories you can choose from above the main
results such as images and others if you want to filter results in that
way. if you don't choose one, it uses the all results choice and, in the
small number of tests I did, I found little or no difference. More testing
may reveal more significant differences with other searches but I'm skeptical
and, though I'll keep an opened mind to good evidence, I doubt anything has
changed to any extent.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
as i tested, my guess was true and the behaviour of google for search result is the same in compare to the previous times, when javascript is disabled. disable javascript in about:config of firefox or settings in google chrome and it should works properly. however, i only tested with firefox, not other browsers! On 8/3/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote: > I suspect that if you compare Google results to other search engines, > Google will be better. In addition, if people are concerned about privacy > issues, you can get a lot more privacy by not being logged into your Google > account when you search. > > Others may want to compare other search engines to Google. One thing > missing from the search engines I tried was a caching feature. This is a > very useful feature at times. And the little comparison I've done, as I > recall, it's been quite awhile, seemed to show, though I didn't do a lot of > testing and this needs to be confirmed or disconfirmed, that I saw the most > relevant results sooner in the list. > > and I'm not sure if these other sites show the address of where the link > leads. That is essential in today's security environment unless you know > how to see where the link leads in other ways. > > I'd have to experiment to see if one method is better than another, that is > if having the address right there on the page is meaningfully more > convenient than using copy link location, then reading it from the clipboard > by making the screen-reader read the clipboard content. > > As far as caching goes, it is invaluable if you are dealing with a web page > that is a pdf page, or something like an rtf document. Using the cached > version opens a Google converted version of the document. It is a standard > web page. it saves you conversion time or reading the document in a viewer. > It's right there as a web page. > > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Arlene > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 10:58 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] New Google results page?? > > > Hi there: You can also use startpage as your search engine. Been using it > for years. I don't use Google and since I was given startpage as a search > engine I never used Google as the search engine. > > > > On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 8:51 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote: > > All maximizing a page does is make it larger. it doesn't change content. > I do what I have done for years, use the letter h to move by heading. There > are some different headings than before. Then there is a heading that says > something like web results. I haven't done searches to compare, but the one > or two searches I've done seem to show the same or about the same results > below the web content heading. > > I'm skeptical that the actual results have changed. See this article: > https://mashable.com/2018/03/05/google-testing-material-search-results/ > > Changing the results would mean a major change in how google decides to > show results in terms of their order. I doubt they would do it and this > article not saying anything appears to be strong evidence against it or > against any major change. > > Are you looking above the section of web results and seeing differences? > The sections above web results are not the search results people have been > using for years. Those under the heading appear to be. > > Gene. > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jaffar Sidek > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 9:37 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] New Google results page?? > > > Hi. I have noticed that Google has recently changed it's search results > criteria. Yes, there is more emphasis on video and pictoral results. A > few things you can try. > > 1. Press the windows key plus up arrow to maximize the search page. I > am not saying it will yield better results, but it might help some. > > 2. try ending your search word or phrase with a question mark, like > "Fishing lines?" or "Household Gadgets?" > > 3. Even if you are given a video or picture search result, there is no > harm in clicking the page in question. There might be textual answers > that might lead you somewhere. > > 4. You might find your answer in a page other than the first one, like > in page two or 3 of the search results. Sometimes, patience can be a > virtue. > > 5. If all else fails, or if you are in a hurry and do not have the > patience to persevere with Google Search, then resort to using other > search engines like Bing or Yahoo. These are my strategies, and they do > work for me most times. > > Cheers! > On 2/8/2018 4:02 PM, zahra wrote: > > hi brian. > > i faced this issue in the recent days. > > even i go to google website and write and search my desire item, but > > finding the result became a little difficult. > > what is the solution to make previous behaviour? > > > > On 8/2/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io > > <bglists@...> wrote: > >> Its been a few days since i tried a google search from the address bar, > but > >> > >> now it comes up with a search choices with no apparent indication it > has any > >> > >> function, but it does and it then seems to get very confusing. > Unfortunately > >> > >> if you ignore it and use the search results list it seems very > restricted > >> compared to how it was. It seems to be prioritising videos and > pictures, > >> when what I really want are articles and web sites. > >> > >> Is there any way to get the traditional system back or does one have > to > >> figure out the new choices system after a log in to actually make it > act in > >> > >> a sensible way? > >> Brian > >> > >> bglists@... > >> Sent via blueyonder. > >> Please address personal E-mail to:- > >> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' > >> in the display name field. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- By God, were I given all the seven heavens with all they contain in order that I may disobey God by depriving an ant from the husk of a grain of barley, I would not do it. imam ali |
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