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NVDA + F5 hotkey doing an actual document reload
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Jacob Kruger
This is something I think has been going on across a few versions of NVDA now, and, just wanted to confirm that it's not me that's confused.
I am currently making use of Version: alpha-15854,a8bda064, FWIW. Anyway, I was under the impression that, for example, in a web browser, the hotkey combination of NVDA + F5 should repopulate the virtual buffer rendition of the page contents - I do need this at times since I work with dynamic web contents - but, it seems to, literally, just reload the page as if you'd clicked on something like the browsers own refresh button, or as if you'd in fact told NVDA that the next keypress should be passed directly through to the operating system? Or am I incorrect in having thought it only repopulated a form of virtual buffer for the webpage? TIA Jacob Kruger 082 413 4791 Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
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Gene
I believe it does reload the document, because, as
I recall, I think it takes too long than to just refresh the buffer.
If so, it is doing the same thing as just f5. Of course, if you reload the
document, you are reloading the buffer. But try turning browse mode off
and then on with NVDA key space. This may just refresh the
buffer.
If NVDA key f5 is explained in the manual, I don't
know where. It isn't discussed in the browse mode section. It is
probably mentioned in the quick reference guide, but it may well not clarify
what it does.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 5:45 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA + F5 hotkey doing an actual document
reload NVDA now, and, just wanted to confirm that it's not me that's confused. I am currently making use of Version: alpha-15854,a8bda064, FWIW. Anyway, I was under the impression that, for example, in a web browser, the hotkey combination of NVDA + F5 should repopulate the virtual buffer rendition of the page contents - I do need this at times since I work with dynamic web contents - but, it seems to, literally, just reload the page as if you'd clicked on something like the browsers own refresh button, or as if you'd in fact told NVDA that the next keypress should be passed directly through to the operating system? Or am I incorrect in having thought it only repopulated a form of virtual buffer for the webpage? TIA Jacob Kruger 082 413 4791 Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
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Jacob Kruger
Problem with standard F5 keystroke is that almost every single browser will then just reload the page from scratch, losing all DHTML content changes.
I do also know that NVDA key + number row 5 is meant to turn on reporting of dynamic content changes, but, it won't always work, partly since, at times, the webpages document-object-model will be rather extensive.
Either way, I had just thought/assumed that it was offering/implementing a form of virtual page buffer refresh, but anyway - will play around with other keystrokes, alt+tabbing away from window, and back to it, etc. etc.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 8/14/2018 1:59 PM, Gene wrote:
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Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I suggest you ask this question as an issue on github. I to was under the same impression as you.
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA + F5 hotkey doing an actual document reload Problem with standard F5 keystroke is that almost every single browser
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i tried nvda f5 and immediately nvda said refreshed and read the
content very soon at the moment! i tested with my favorite version of nvda (which is 2017.1) and i dont see hangs or crashes even i open many many tabs in firefox without closing for many hours! On 8/14/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote: I suggest you ask this question as an issue on github. I to was under the -- By God, were I given all the seven heavens with all they contain in order that I may disobey God by depriving an ant from the husk of a grain of barley, I would not do it. imam ali
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Gene
To test whether NVDA f5 is refreshing the page or
just the buffer, you should disconnect from the Internet while a page is in the
browser. If numpad f5 produces a page not found message, then it is
refreshing the page itself, which refreshes the buffer, but it is not just
refreshing the buffer. If, on the other hand, NVDA f5 refreshes and starts
to read the page when not connected to the Internet, then we know that the
command is refreshing the buffer and not the actual page.
Gene
----- Original message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA + F5 hotkey doing an actual document
reload content very soon at the moment! i tested with my favorite version of nvda (which is 2017.1) and i dont see hangs or crashes even i open many many tabs in firefox without closing for many hours! On 8/14/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote: > I suggest you ask this question as an issue on github. I to was under the > same impression as you. > Brian > > bglists@... > Sent via blueyonder. > Please address personal E-mail to:- > briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' > in the display name field. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@...> > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA + F5 hotkey doing an actual document reload > > >> Problem with standard F5 keystroke is that almost every single browser >> will then just reload the page from scratch, losing all DHTML content >> changes. >> >> >> I do also know that NVDA key + number row 5 is meant to turn on >> reporting of dynamic content changes, but, it won't always work, partly >> since, at times, the webpages document-object-model will be rather >> extensive. >> >> >> Either way, I had just thought/assumed that it was offering/implementing >> a form of virtual page buffer refresh, but anyway - will play around >> with other keystrokes, alt+tabbing away from window, and back to it, >> etc. etc. >> >> >> Stay well >> >> >> Jacob Kruger >> Blind Biker >> Skype: BlindZA >> "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..." >> >> On 8/14/2018 1:59 PM, Gene wrote: >>> I believe it does reload the document, because, as I recall, I think >>> it takes too long than to just refresh the buffer. If so, it is doing >>> the same thing as just f5. Of course, if you reload the document, you >>> are reloading the buffer. But try turning browse mode off and then on >>> with NVDA key space. This may just refresh the buffer. >>> If NVDA key f5 is explained in the manual, I don't know where. It >>> isn't discussed in the browse mode section. It is probably mentioned >>> in the quick reference guide, but it may well not clarify what it does. >>> Gene >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Jacob Kruger <mailto:jacob@...> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2018 5:45 AM >>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>> *Subject:* [nvda] NVDA + F5 hotkey doing an actual document reload >>> >>> This is something I think has been going on across a few versions of >>> NVDA now, and, just wanted to confirm that it's not me that's confused. >>> >>> >>> I am currently making use of Version: alpha-15854,a8bda064, FWIW. >>> >>> >>> Anyway, I was under the impression that, for example, in a web browser, >>> the hotkey combination of NVDA + F5 should repopulate the virtual buffer >>> rendition of the page contents - I do need this at times since I work >>> with dynamic web contents - but, it seems to, literally, just reload the >>> page as if you'd clicked on something like the browsers own refresh >>> button, or as if you'd in fact told NVDA that the next keypress should >>> be passed directly through to the operating system? >>> >>> >>> Or am I incorrect in having thought it only repopulated a form of >>> virtual buffer for the webpage? >>> >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> >>> Jacob Kruger >>> 082 413 4791 >>> Skype: BlindZA >>> "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..." >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > -- By God, were I given all the seven heavens with all they contain in order that I may disobey God by depriving an ant from the husk of a grain of barley, I would not do it. imam ali
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Jacob Kruger
Ok, I actually now just tested the NVDA + F5 keystroke on one of my own webpages, where I am making changes to layout/content dynamically, and, it did seem to indeed repopulate the virtual buffer, and, not try reload the page, since, yes, inbetween having loaded the page, and having invoked content changes, I then disconnected from the internet, before hitting that keystroke, and, NVDA key + F5 didn't try reload the page normally, but, just seemed to be rescanning the page contents/document object model, and, I tried this with both firefox and chrome, so, not sure why it seems to, at times operate slightly differently - will need to make notes the next time I come across something like this, to make sure it's not just my own imagination...<smile>
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Stay well Jacob Kruger 082 413 4791 Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 8/14/2018 5:49 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I suggest you ask this question as an issue on github. I to was under the same impression as you.
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Gene
I just tested the command by disconnecting from the
Internet before issuing it. it refreshed the buffer even when disconnected
from the Internet so it works as initially described. It just refreshes
the buffer without reloading the page.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Jacob Kruger
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 3:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA + F5 hotkey doing an actual document
reload webpages, where I am making changes to layout/content dynamically, and, it did seem to indeed repopulate the virtual buffer, and, not try reload the page, since, yes, inbetween having loaded the page, and having invoked content changes, I then disconnected from the internet, before hitting that keystroke, and, NVDA key + F5 didn't try reload the page normally, but, just seemed to be rescanning the page contents/document object model, and, I tried this with both firefox and chrome, so, not sure why it seems to, at times operate slightly differently - will need to make notes the next time I come across something like this, to make sure it's not just my own imagination...<smile> Stay well Jacob Kruger 082 413 4791 Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..." On 8/14/2018 5:49 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: > I suggest you ask this question as an issue on github. I to was under > the same impression as you. > Brian > > bglists@... > Sent via blueyonder. > Please address personal E-mail to:- > briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' > in the display name field. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@...> > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA + F5 hotkey doing an actual document reload > > >> Problem with standard F5 keystroke is that almost every single browser >> will then just reload the page from scratch, losing all DHTML content >> changes. >> >> >> I do also know that NVDA key + number row 5 is meant to turn on >> reporting of dynamic content changes, but, it won't always work, partly >> since, at times, the webpages document-object-model will be rather >> extensive. >> >> >> Either way, I had just thought/assumed that it was offering/implementing >> a form of virtual page buffer refresh, but anyway - will play around >> with other keystrokes, alt+tabbing away from window, and back to it, >> etc. etc. >> >> >> Stay well >> >> >> Jacob Kruger >> Blind Biker >> Skype: BlindZA >> "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..." >> >> On 8/14/2018 1:59 PM, Gene wrote: >>> I believe it does reload the document, because, as I recall, I think >>> it takes too long than to just refresh the buffer. If so, it is doing >>> the same thing as just f5. Of course, if you reload the document, you >>> are reloading the buffer. But try turning browse mode off and then on >>> with NVDA key space. This may just refresh the buffer. >>> If NVDA key f5 is explained in the manual, I don't know where. It >>> isn't discussed in the browse mode section. It is probably mentioned >>> in the quick reference guide, but it may well not clarify what it does. >>> Gene >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Jacob Kruger <mailto:jacob@...> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2018 5:45 AM >>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>> *Subject:* [nvda] NVDA + F5 hotkey doing an actual document reload >>> >>> This is something I think has been going on across a few versions of >>> NVDA now, and, just wanted to confirm that it's not me that's confused. >>> >>> >>> I am currently making use of Version: alpha-15854,a8bda064, FWIW. >>> >>> >>> Anyway, I was under the impression that, for example, in a web browser, >>> the hotkey combination of NVDA + F5 should repopulate the virtual >>> buffer >>> rendition of the page contents - I do need this at times since I work >>> with dynamic web contents - but, it seems to, literally, just reload >>> the >>> page as if you'd clicked on something like the browsers own refresh >>> button, or as if you'd in fact told NVDA that the next keypress should >>> be passed directly through to the operating system? >>> >>> >>> Or am I incorrect in having thought it only repopulated a form of >>> virtual buffer for the webpage? >>> >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> >>> Jacob Kruger >>> 082 413 4791 >>> Skype: BlindZA >>> "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..." >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >
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gene,
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do you mean that nvda does not say server not found or no connection available in this case?
On 8/15/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I just tested the command by disconnecting from the Internet before issuing --
By God, were I given all the seven heavens with all they contain in order that I may disobey God by depriving an ant from the husk of a grain of barley, I would not do it. imam ali
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Gene
If you disconnect from the Internet and use NVDA
f5, it says nothing because it isn't refreshing the page. it's just
refreshing the buffer.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA + F5 hotkey doing an actual document
reload do you mean that nvda does not say server not found or no connection available in this case? On 8/15/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote: > I just tested the command by disconnecting from the Internet before issuing > it. it refreshed the buffer even when disconnected from the Internet so it > works as initially described. It just refreshes the buffer without > reloading the page. > > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jacob Kruger > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 3:02 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA + F5 hotkey doing an actual document reload > > > Ok, I actually now just tested the NVDA + F5 keystroke on one of my own > webpages, where I am making changes to layout/content dynamically, and, > it did seem to indeed repopulate the virtual buffer, and, not try reload > the page, since, yes, inbetween having loaded the page, and having > invoked content changes, I then disconnected from the internet, before > hitting that keystroke, and, NVDA key + F5 didn't try reload the page > normally, but, just seemed to be rescanning the page contents/document > object model, and, I tried this with both firefox and chrome, so, not > sure why it seems to, at times operate slightly differently - will need > to make notes the next time I come across something like this, to make > sure it's not just my own imagination...<smile> > > > Stay well > > > Jacob Kruger > 082 413 4791 > Skype: BlindZA > "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..." > > On 8/14/2018 5:49 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: >> I suggest you ask this question as an issue on github. I to was under >> the same impression as you. >> Brian >> >> bglists@... >> Sent via blueyonder. >> Please address personal E-mail to:- >> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >> in the display name field. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@...> >> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 1:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA + F5 hotkey doing an actual document reload >> >> >>> Problem with standard F5 keystroke is that almost every single browser >>> will then just reload the page from scratch, losing all DHTML content >>> changes. >>> >>> >>> I do also know that NVDA key + number row 5 is meant to turn on >>> reporting of dynamic content changes, but, it won't always work, partly >>> since, at times, the webpages document-object-model will be rather >>> extensive. >>> >>> >>> Either way, I had just thought/assumed that it was offering/implementing >>> a form of virtual page buffer refresh, but anyway - will play around >>> with other keystrokes, alt+tabbing away from window, and back to it, >>> etc. etc. >>> >>> >>> Stay well >>> >>> >>> Jacob Kruger >>> Blind Biker >>> Skype: BlindZA >>> "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..." >>> >>> On 8/14/2018 1:59 PM, Gene wrote: >>>> I believe it does reload the document, because, as I recall, I think >>>> it takes too long than to just refresh the buffer. If so, it is doing >>>> the same thing as just f5. Of course, if you reload the document, you >>>> are reloading the buffer. But try turning browse mode off and then on >>>> with NVDA key space. This may just refresh the buffer. >>>> If NVDA key f5 is explained in the manual, I don't know where. It >>>> isn't discussed in the browse mode section. It is probably mentioned >>>> in the quick reference guide, but it may well not clarify what it does. >>>> Gene >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* Jacob Kruger <mailto:jacob@...> >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2018 5:45 AM >>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>> *Subject:* [nvda] NVDA + F5 hotkey doing an actual document reload >>>> >>>> This is something I think has been going on across a few versions of >>>> NVDA now, and, just wanted to confirm that it's not me that's confused. >>>> >>>> >>>> I am currently making use of Version: alpha-15854,a8bda064, FWIW. >>>> >>>> >>>> Anyway, I was under the impression that, for example, in a web browser, >>>> the hotkey combination of NVDA + F5 should repopulate the virtual >>>> buffer >>>> rendition of the page contents - I do need this at times since I work >>>> with dynamic web contents - but, it seems to, literally, just reload >>>> the >>>> page as if you'd clicked on something like the browsers own refresh >>>> button, or as if you'd in fact told NVDA that the next keypress should >>>> be passed directly through to the operating system? >>>> >>>> >>>> Or am I incorrect in having thought it only repopulated a form of >>>> virtual buffer for the webpage? >>>> >>>> >>>> TIA >>>> >>>> >>>> Jacob Kruger >>>> 082 413 4791 >>>> Skype: BlindZA >>>> "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > -- By God, were I given all the seven heavens with all they contain in order that I may disobey God by depriving an ant from the husk of a grain of barley, I would not do it. imam ali
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