Everythings fine with latest Jaws 2018
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Kwork
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2018 4:57 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page
Up through yesterday, I had no trouble buying Kindle books through Amazon. Things were labeled, and easily findable. Today the area of the page where the buying options are seems to have changed.
There is now a new heading called "Buying Options." It's the first heading on the page. The interesting thing about this heading is that there is no number associated with it. Instead of saying "heading level 1," as the heading below it says, all is says is "heading."
I think the buy and read now links, along with the price that used to be readily visible are now hidden inside the new "heading" area. Arrowing down once leads to the "add to list" checkbox.
This has been confirmed both in Firefox 64 and Chrome 64 using Windows 7 64-bit and NVDA 2018.2.1.
If anyone else can confirm, and can have any idea on how to deal with this, that would be appreciated.
Here's an example. For the US, this book is free at least today, hence why I chose it, so trying to buy it won't cost anybody any money. And, yes, the page is the same whether a book is free or not:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FDKPS2C/?tag=bookfreeby-20

Just bought items yesterday using NVDA with no issues
On 8/14/2018 4:20 PM, Dennis L wrote:

Everythings fine with latest Jaws 2018

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Kwork
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2018 4:57 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

Up through yesterday, I had no trouble buying Kindle books through Amazon. Things were labeled, and easily findable. Today the area of the page where the buying options are seems to have changed.

There is now a new heading called "Buying Options." It's the first heading on the page. The interesting thing about this heading is that there is no number associated with it. Instead of saying "heading level 1," as the heading below it says, all is says is "heading."

I think the buy and read now links, along with the price that used to be readily visible are now hidden inside the new "heading" area. Arrowing down once leads to the "add to list" checkbox.

This has been confirmed both in Firefox 64 and Chrome 64 using Windows 7 64-bit and NVDA 2018.2.1.

If anyone else can confirm, and can have any idea on how to deal with this, that would be appreciated.

Here's an example. For the US, this book is free at least today, hence why I chose it, so trying to buy it won't cost anybody any money. And, yes, the page is the same whether a book is free or not:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FDKPS2C/?tag=bookfreeby-20

Everythings fine with latest Jaws 2018

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Kwork
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2018 4:57 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

Up through yesterday, I had no trouble buying Kindle books through
Amazon. Things were labeled, and easily findable. Today the area of the
page where the buying options are seems to have changed.

There is now a new heading called "Buying Options." It's the first
heading on the page. The interesting thing about this heading is that
there is no number associated with it. Instead of saying "heading level
1," as the heading below it says, all is says is "heading."

I think the buy and read now links, along with the price that used to be
readily visible are now hidden inside the new "heading" area. Arrowing
down once leads to the "add to list" checkbox.

This has been confirmed both in Firefox 64 and Chrome 64 using Windows 7
64-bit and NVDA 2018.2.1.

If anyone else can confirm, and can have any idea on how to deal with
this, that would be appreciated.

Here's an example. For the US, this book is free at least today, hence
why I chose it, so trying to buy it won't cost anybody any money. And,
yes, the page is the same whether a book is free or not:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FDKPS2C/?tag=bookfreeby-20

Just bought items yesterday using NVDA with no issues

On 8/14/2018 4:20 PM, Dennis L wrote:

Everythings fine with latest Jaws 2018

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Kwork
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2018 4:57 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

Up through yesterday, I had no trouble buying Kindle books through
Amazon. Things were labeled, and easily findable. Today the area of
the page where the buying options are seems to have changed.

There is now a new heading called "Buying Options." It's the first
heading on the page. The interesting thing about this heading is that
there is no number associated with it. Instead of saying "heading
level 1," as the heading below it says, all is says is "heading."

I think the buy and read now links, along with the price that used to
be readily visible are now hidden inside the new "heading" area.
Arrowing down once leads to the "add to list" checkbox.

This has been confirmed both in Firefox 64 and Chrome 64 using Windows
7 64-bit and NVDA 2018.2.1.

If anyone else can confirm, and can have any idea on how to deal with
this, that would be appreciated.

Here's an example. For the US, this book is free at least today, hence
why I chose it, so trying to buy it won't cost anybody any money. And,
yes, the page is the same whether a book is free or not:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FDKPS2C/?tag=bookfreeby-20

Up through yesterday, I had no trouble buying Kindle books through Amazon. Things were labeled, and easily findable. Today the area of the page where the buying options are seems to have changed.

There is now a new heading called "Buying Options." It's the first heading on the page. The interesting thing about this heading is that there is no number associated with it. Instead of saying "heading level 1," as the heading below it says, all is says is "heading."

I think the buy and read now links, along with the price that used to be readily visible are now hidden inside the new "heading" area. Arrowing down once leads to the "add to list" checkbox.

This has been confirmed both in Firefox 64 and Chrome 64 using Windows 7 64-bit and NVDA 2018.2.1.

If anyone else can confirm, and can have any idea on how to deal with this, that would be appreciated.

Here's an example. For the US, this book is free at least today, hence why I chose it, so trying to buy it won't cost anybody any money. And, yes, the page is the same whether a book is free or not:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FDKPS2C/?tag=bookfreeby-20

 

Hmm, maybe FF60 works better than my newer version? 61.0.2.
I hadn't thought of trying NVDA alphas or snapshots. Thanks for that too.
----- Original Message -----
From: "bob jutzi" <jutzi1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page
No problems using the latest NVDA Alpha along with Firefox 60.
I chose Kindle Store in the dropdown box, entered a title in the
Searchbox and clicked Search, and clicked on the link that matched. As
expected, the page of the book contained both a Buy Now button and Add
to Cart Button. I can also use One Click since I have it enabled.
On 8/14/2018 5:21 PM, Don H wrote:

Just bought items yesterday using NVDA with no issues

On 8/14/2018 4:20 PM, Dennis L wrote:

Everythings fine with latest Jaws 2018

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Kwork
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2018 4:57 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

Up through yesterday, I had no trouble buying Kindle books through
Amazon. Things were labeled, and easily findable. Today the area of
the page where the buying options are seems to have changed.

There is now a new heading called "Buying Options." It's the first
heading on the page. The interesting thing about this heading is that
there is no number associated with it. Instead of saying "heading
level 1," as the heading below it says, all is says is "heading."

I think the buy and read now links, along with the price that used to
be readily visible are now hidden inside the new "heading" area.
Arrowing down once leads to the "add to list" checkbox.

This has been confirmed both in Firefox 64 and Chrome 64 using Windows
7 64-bit and NVDA 2018.2.1.

If anyone else can confirm, and can have any idea on how to deal with
this, that would be appreciated.

Here's an example. For the US, this book is free at least today, hence
why I chose it, so trying to buy it won't cost anybody any money. And,
yes, the page is the same whether a book is free or not:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FDKPS2C/?tag=bookfreeby-20

Hmm, maybe FF60 works better than my newer version? 61.0.2.
I hadn't thought of trying NVDA alphas or snapshots. Thanks for that too.
----- Original Message -----
From: "bob jutzi" <jutzi1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page


No problems using the latest NVDA Alpha along with Firefox 60.
I chose Kindle Store in the dropdown box, entered a title in the
Searchbox and clicked Search, and clicked on the link that matched. As
expected, the page of the book contained both a Buy Now button and Add
to Cart Button. I can also use One Click since I have it enabled.

On 8/14/2018 5:21 PM, Don H wrote:

Just bought items yesterday using NVDA with no issues

On 8/14/2018 4:20 PM, Dennis L wrote:

Everythings fine with latest Jaws 2018

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Kwork
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2018 4:57 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

Up through yesterday, I had no trouble buying Kindle books through
Amazon. Things were labeled, and easily findable. Today the area of
the page where the buying options are seems to have changed.

There is now a new heading called "Buying Options." It's the first
heading on the page. The interesting thing about this heading is that
there is no number associated with it. Instead of saying "heading
level 1," as the heading below it says, all is says is "heading."

I think the buy and read now links, along with the price that used to
be readily visible are now hidden inside the new "heading" area.
Arrowing down once leads to the "add to list" checkbox.

This has been confirmed both in Firefox 64 and Chrome 64 using Windows
7 64-bit and NVDA 2018.2.1.

If anyone else can confirm, and can have any idea on how to deal with
this, that would be appreciated.

Here's an example. For the US, this book is free at least today, hence
why I chose it, so trying to buy it won't cost anybody any money. And,
yes, the page is the same whether a book is free or not:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FDKPS2C/?tag=bookfreeby-20

Up through yesterday, I had no trouble buying Kindle books through Amazon. Things were labeled, and easily findable. Today the area of the page where the buying options are seems to have changed.

There is now a new heading called "Buying Options." It's the first heading on the page. The interesting thing about this heading is that there is no number associated with it. Instead of saying "heading level 1," as the heading below it says, all is says is "heading."

I think the buy and read now links, along with the price that used to be readily visible are now hidden inside the new "heading" area. Arrowing down once leads to the "add to list" checkbox.

This has been confirmed both in Firefox 64 and Chrome 64 using Windows 7 64-bit and NVDA 2018.2.1.

If anyone else can confirm, and can have any idea on how to deal with this, that would be appreciated.

Here's an example. For the US, this book is free at least today, hence why I chose it, so trying to buy it won't cost anybody any money. And, yes, the page is the same whether a book is free or not:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FDKPS2C/?tag=bookfreeby-20

 

I see what you mean. What I had to do in order to find the buy with one
click button was to tab around. It doesn't show as an actual button by
hitting the letter b, and when I tried to read the current line while I
was on the button, it didn't say anything, so hitting the letter b won't
get you to it. You do have to tab around. My Firefox updated yesterday,
so I'm just wondering if that broke something. At least that button
still shows up by tabbing, so try that and se what happens. I didn't
actualy click the button though, so I don't know if it works. I hope it
does so you can get that book. I should find something that sounds
interesting to me and grab it just to see if it does work. I don't like
the way the page is laid out now at all, but at least tab is your friend.

Annette


On 8/14/2018 3:56 PM, Kwork wrote:

Up through yesterday, I had no trouble buying Kindle books through
Amazon. Things were labeled, and easily findable. Today the area of
the page where the buying options are seems to have changed.
There is now a new heading called "Buying Options." It's the first
heading on the page. The interesting thing about this heading is that
there is no number associated with it. Instead of saying "heading
level 1," as the heading below it says, all is says is "heading."
I think the buy and read now links, along with the price that used to
be readily visible are now hidden inside the new "heading" area.
Arrowing down once leads to the "add to list" checkbox.
This has been confirmed both in Firefox 64 and Chrome 64 using Windows
7 64-bit and NVDA 2018.2.1.
If anyone else can confirm, and can have any idea on how to deal with
this, that would be appreciated.
Here's an example. For the US, this book is free at least today, hence
why I chose it, so trying to buy it won't cost anybody any money. And,
yes, the page is the same whether a book is free or not:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FDKPS2C/?tag=bookfreeby-20

& actually, I think this might only be free if one has Kindle
unlimited--else it would appear that it's $2.99.

On 8/14/18, Annette Moore <angelgirl52376@gmail.com> wrote:

I see what you mean. What I had to do in order to find the buy with one
click button was to tab around. It doesn't show as an actual button by
hitting the letter b, and when I tried to read the current line while I
was on the button, it didn't say anything, so hitting the letter b won't
get you to it. You do have to tab around. My Firefox updated yesterday,
so I'm just wondering if that broke something. At least that button
still shows up by tabbing, so try that and se what happens. I didn't
actualy click the button though, so I don't know if it works. I hope it
does so you can get that book. I should find something that sounds
interesting to me and grab it just to see if it does work. I don't like
the way the page is laid out now at all, but at least tab is your friend.

Annette


On 8/14/2018 3:56 PM, Kwork wrote:

Up through yesterday, I had no trouble buying Kindle books through
Amazon. Things were labeled, and easily findable. Today the area of
the page where the buying options are seems to have changed.
There is now a new heading called "Buying Options." It's the first
heading on the page. The interesting thing about this heading is that
there is no number associated with it. Instead of saying "heading
level 1," as the heading below it says, all is says is "heading."
I think the buy and read now links, along with the price that used to
be readily visible are now hidden inside the new "heading" area.
Arrowing down once leads to the "add to list" checkbox.
This has been confirmed both in Firefox 64 and Chrome 64 using Windows
7 64-bit and NVDA 2018.2.1.
If anyone else can confirm, and can have any idea on how to deal with
this, that would be appreciated.
Here's an example. For the US, this book is free at least today, hence
why I chose it, so trying to buy it won't cost anybody any money. And,
yes, the page is the same whether a book is free or not:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FDKPS2C/?tag=bookfreeby-20

--
Remember! Friends Help Friends Be Cybersafe
Jackie McBride
Helping Cybercrime Victims 1 Person at a Time
https://brighter-vision.com

The problem exists when using the kindle unlimited program to get a book. You have to tab to the button (NVDA sees it as a button), but pressing b doesn't go to it.  However, when I was sitting on it (after finding it via the tab key), I used nvda-F1 to bring up it's information, and it is clearly labeled as a button, so no clue why b doesn't navigate to it. I've also discovered the only for me to click the button is to use the route command (nvda-numpad minus) to route the nvda cursor to it, then press nvda-shift-numpad enter.  (yes, I need the shift, without it, it activates an entirely different page which has ne bearing on what I'm trying to do).  No idea why the shift works and w/o the shift doesn't, but there it is.  That's the only I've managed to get my books into the kindle app using the web site.  Interestingly enough, using safari on the Iphone doesn't have this issue.

The problem exists when using the kindle unlimited program to get a
book. You have to tab to the button (NVDA sees it as a button), but
pressing b doesn't go to it. However, when I was sitting on it (after
finding it via the tab key), I used nvda-F1 to bring up it's
information, and it is clearly labeled as a button, so no clue why b
doesn't navigate to it. I've also discovered the only for me to click
the button is to use the route command (nvda-numpad minus) to route
the nvda cursor to it, then press nvda-shift-numpad enter. (yes, I
need the shift, without it, it activates an entirely different page
which has ne bearing on what I'm trying to do). No idea why the shift
works and w/o the shift doesn't, but there it is. That's the only
I've managed to get my books into the kindle app using the web site.
Interestingly enough, using safari on the Iphone doesn't have this issue.

Thanks all for your messages and thoughts. Maybe it's time to open a ticket
now that I know it's not me.
Incidentally, I tried it also on the portable ESR Firefox, one still in the
version 52 series, latest Chrome, and latest IE, and all are showing the no
numbered heading level. For me, tabbing around didn't work. I'll try
Travis's suggestions in a while.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Annette Moore" <angelgirl52376@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page


Thanks, Travis. I will file this info away because I, too, use Kindle
Unlimited. I used it just the other day to grab a book and it worked
just fine: the correct buttons showed in the correct places and showed
as actual buttons. thank you. I wouldn't have even thought to route the
NVDA cursor to the buttton because I'm not as familiar with that as I
really need to be. I never used the virtual mouse cursor in System
Access when I used it and rarely ever used the JAWS cursor in JAWS when
I used that because I didn't really understand how it worked, but it
sounds like it's time for me to learn to understand it. LOL! Thanks again.

Annette
On 8/14/2018 9:24 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:

The problem exists when using the kindle unlimited program to get a
book. You have to tab to the button (NVDA sees it as a button), but
pressing b doesn't go to it. However, when I was sitting on it (after
finding it via the tab key), I used nvda-F1 to bring up it's
information, and it is clearly labeled as a button, so no clue why b
doesn't navigate to it. I've also discovered the only for me to click
the button is to use the route command (nvda-numpad minus) to route
the nvda cursor to it, then press nvda-shift-numpad enter. (yes, I
need the shift, without it, it activates an entirely different page
which has ne bearing on what I'm trying to do). No idea why the shift
works and w/o the shift doesn't, but there it is. That's the only
I've managed to get my books into the kindle app using the web site.
Interestingly enough, using safari on the Iphone doesn't have this issue.

Just bought items yesterday using NVDA with no issues

On 8/14/2018 4:20 PM, Dennis L wrote:

Everythings fine with latest Jaws 2018

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Kwork
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2018 4:57 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

Up through yesterday, I had no trouble buying Kindle books through Amazon. Things were labeled, and easily findable. Today the area of the page where the buying options are seems to have changed.

There is now a new heading called "Buying Options." It's the first heading on the page. The interesting thing about this heading is that there is no number associated with it. Instead of saying "heading level 1," as the heading below it says, all is says is "heading."

I think the buy and read now links, along with the price that used to be readily visible are now hidden inside the new "heading" area. Arrowing down once leads to the "add to list" checkbox.

This has been confirmed both in Firefox 64 and Chrome 64 using Windows 7 64-bit and NVDA 2018.2.1.

If anyone else can confirm, and can have any idea on how to deal with this, that would be appreciated.

Here's an example. For the US, this book is free at least today, hence why I chose it, so trying to buy it won't cost anybody any money. And, yes, the page is the same whether a book is free or not:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FDKPS2C/?tag=bookfreeby-20

Hmm, maybe FF60 works better than my newer version? 61.0.2.
I hadn't thought of trying NVDA alphas or snapshots. Thanks for that too.
----- Original Message -----
From: "bob jutzi" <jutzi1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page


No problems using the latest NVDA Alpha along with Firefox 60.
I chose Kindle Store in the dropdown box, entered a title in the
Searchbox and clicked Search, and clicked on the link that matched. As
expected, the page of the book contained both a Buy Now button and Add
to Cart Button. I can also use One Click since I have it enabled.

On 8/14/2018 5:21 PM, Don H wrote:

Just bought items yesterday using NVDA with no issues

On 8/14/2018 4:20 PM, Dennis L wrote:

Everythings fine with latest Jaws 2018

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Kwork
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2018 4:57 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

Up through yesterday, I had no trouble buying Kindle books through
Amazon. Things were labeled, and easily findable. Today the area of
the page where the buying options are seems to have changed.

There is now a new heading called "Buying Options." It's the first
heading on the page. The interesting thing about this heading is that
there is no number associated with it. Instead of saying "heading
level 1," as the heading below it says, all is says is "heading."

I think the buy and read now links, along with the price that used to
be readily visible are now hidden inside the new "heading" area.
Arrowing down once leads to the "add to list" checkbox.

This has been confirmed both in Firefox 64 and Chrome 64 using Windows
7 64-bit and NVDA 2018.2.1.

If anyone else can confirm, and can have any idea on how to deal with
this, that would be appreciated.

Here's an example. For the US, this book is free at least today, hence
why I chose it, so trying to buy it won't cost anybody any money. And,
yes, the page is the same whether a book is free or not:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FDKPS2C/?tag=bookfreeby-20

The problem exists when using the kindle unlimited program to get a book. You have to tab to the button (NVDA sees it as a button), but pressing b doesn't go to it. However, when I was sitting on it (after finding it via the tab key), I used nvda-F1 to bring up it's information, and it is clearly labeled as a button, so no clue why b doesn't navigate to it. I've also discovered the only for me to click the button is to use the route command (nvda-numpad minus) to route the nvda cursor to it, then press nvda-shift-numpad enter. (yes, I need the shift, without it, it activates an entirely different page which has ne bearing on what I'm trying to do). No idea why the shift works and w/o the shift doesn't, but there it is. That's the only I've managed to get my books into the kindle app using the web site. Interestingly enough, using safari on the Iphone doesn't have this issue.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kwork

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 1:56 PM

Subject: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

Up through yesterday, I had no trouble buying Kindle books through Amazon. Things were labeled, and easily findable. Today the area of the page where the buying options are seems to have changed.

There is now a new heading called "Buying Options." It's the first heading on the page. The interesting thing about this heading is that there is no number associated with it. Instead of saying "heading level 1," as the heading below it says, all is says is "heading."

I think the buy and read now links, along with the price that used to be readily visible are now hidden inside the new "heading" area. Arrowing down once leads to the "add to list" checkbox.

This has been confirmed both in Firefox 64 and Chrome 64 using Windows 7 64-bit and NVDA 2018.2.1.

If anyone else can confirm, and can have any idea on how to deal with this, that would be appreciated.

Here's an example. For the US, this book is free at least today, hence why I chose it, so trying to buy it won't cost anybody any money. And, yes, the page is the same whether a book is free or not:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FDKPS2C/?tag=bookfreeby-20