Favourite add-ons


Akshaya Choudhary
 

What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
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Sociohack


Gene
 

I don't use many add ons because the way I use my computer, I don't benefit from most of them.  But the two I use regularly and I consider important enough that they shouldn't be add ons is Clip Speak, which announces copy and past when you copy to and past from the clipboard, and the system tray dialog add on.  The system tray dialog has been a standard part of screen-readers since Windows 2008.  It should be included in NVDA itself but it isn't.
 
As for Clipp Speak, I don't know if there is a new version that solves these problems.  the original version caused some problems in Word and it caused a problem in the Youtube downloader I use even though I wasn't directly using the add on.  So, if you see strange problems you didn't have before, even if they seem unrelated to anything you would expect the add on to cause, try disabling them and see if the problem disappears.
 
Gene

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Subject: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
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Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Hello,

 

My top 12 addOns are:

Application Dictionary

Golden cursor

IdentNav

Input lock

Instant translate

Notepad++

Outlook enhanced

Remote support

SentenceNav

Sonos for Sonos desktop

Speech history

Total Commander enhanced

 

Best regards,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 15:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Walker, Michael E
 

Ralf, when you list Remote Support, is that the same as NVDA Remote? If not, what does Remote Support do? Thanks.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

Hello,

 

My top 12 addOns are:

Application Dictionary

Golden cursor

IdentNav

Input lock

Instant translate

Notepad++

Outlook enhanced

Remote support

SentenceNav

Sonos for Sonos desktop

Speech history

Total Commander enhanced

 

Best regards,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 15:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Steve Nomer
 

Ralph, where do you obtain the Sonos addOn? Thanks!


Steve


On 8/21/2018 9:37 AM, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

 

My top 12 addOns are:

Application Dictionary

Golden cursor

IdentNav

Input lock

Instant translate

Notepad++

Outlook enhanced

Remote support

SentenceNav

Sonos for Sonos desktop

Speech history

Total Commander enhanced

 

Best regards,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 15:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack



Gary Bowers
 

Ralph - Thanks for your list. Where can I see Outlook enhanced?

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

Hello,



My top 12 addOns are:

Application Dictionary

Golden cursor

IdentNav

Input lock

Instant translate

Notepad++

Outlook enhanced

Remote support

SentenceNav

Sonos for Sonos desktop

Speech history

Total Commander enhanced



Best regards,

Ralf



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 15:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Favourite add-ons



What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Yes, that’s the same…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Walker, Michael E
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 16:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

Ralf, when you list Remote Support, is that the same as NVDA Remote? If not, what does Remote Support do? Thanks.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

Hello,

 

My top 12 addOns are:

Application Dictionary

Golden cursor

IdentNav

Input lock

Instant translate

Notepad++

Outlook enhanced

Remote support

SentenceNav

Sonos for Sonos desktop

Speech history

Total Commander enhanced

 

Best regards,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 15:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Hi Steve,

It is one of my developed addons.

You can get it here:

https://github.com/Novalis7747/sonos/raw/master/sonos-1.1.nvda-addon

 

cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nomer
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 16:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

Ralph, where do you obtain the Sonos addOn? Thanks!

 

Steve

 

On 8/21/2018 9:37 AM, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

 

My top 12 addOns are:

Application Dictionary

Golden cursor

IdentNav

Input lock

Instant translate

Notepad++

Outlook enhanced

Remote support

SentenceNav

Sonos for Sonos desktop

Speech history

Total Commander enhanced

 

Best regards,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 15:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack

 


Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Hi Gary,

It is one of my developed addons.
You can get it here:
https://github.com/Novalis7747/Outlook-enhanced/raw/master/outlook-0.9.nvda-addon

cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Bowers
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 18:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

Ralph - Thanks for your list. Where can I see Outlook enhanced?

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

Hello,



My top 12 addOns are:

Application Dictionary

Golden cursor

IdentNav

Input lock

Instant translate

Notepad++

Outlook enhanced

Remote support

SentenceNav

Sonos for Sonos desktop

Speech history

Total Commander enhanced



Best regards,

Ralf



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 15:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Favourite add-ons



What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Steve Nomer
 

Ralph, what a terrific addOn! Thanks so much for developing this one!


Steve


On 8/21/2018 1:43 PM, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hi Steve,

It is one of my developed addons.

You can get it here:

https://github.com/Novalis7747/sonos/raw/master/sonos-1.1.nvda-addon

 

cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nomer
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 16:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

Ralph, where do you obtain the Sonos addOn? Thanks!

 

Steve

 

On 8/21/2018 9:37 AM, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello,

 

My top 12 addOns are:

Application Dictionary

Golden cursor

IdentNav

Input lock

Instant translate

Notepad++

Outlook enhanced

Remote support

SentenceNav

Sonos for Sonos desktop

Speech history

Total Commander enhanced

 

Best regards,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 15:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack

 



Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well, for me its application dictionary, when I get sighties around, focus highlight, I do like the dumb version of the cut and paste speak add on, Resource monitor, Goldwave, Extended Winamp

Golden cursor when you get a dodgy program,

There are others I use from time to time, like 3D sound schemes. The Speech player in Espeak, Pico synth

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sociohack AC" <acsociopath@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 2:37 PM
Subject: [nvda] Favourite add-ons


What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes I reluctantly removed clipspeak as it caused memory issues for Word and had issues with some web content as well.
I am not sure about systray list as for me that works well natively, but I keep the add on around.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons


I don't use many add ons because the way I use my computer, I don't benefit from most of them. But the two I use regularly and I consider important enough that they shouldn't be add ons is Clip Speak, which announces copy and past when you copy to and past from the clipboard, and the system tray dialog add on. The system tray dialog has been a standard part of screen-readers since Windows 2008. It should be included in NVDA itself but it isn't.

As for Clipp Speak, I don't know if there is a new version that solves these problems. the original version caused some problems in Word and it caused a problem in the Youtube downloader I use even though I wasn't directly using the add on. So, if you see strange problems you didn't have before, even if they seem unrelated to anything you would expect the add on to cause, try disabling them and see if the problem disappears.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Sociohack AC
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 8:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Favourite add-ons


What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Gary Bowers
 

Thanks, Ralf. I'm anxious to try this one.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 1:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

Hi Gary,

It is one of my developed addons.
You can get it here:
https://github.com/Novalis7747/Outlook-enhanced/raw/master/outlook-0.9.nvda-addon

cheers,
Ralf
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Bowers
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 18:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

Ralph - Thanks for your list. Where can I see Outlook enhanced?

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

Hello,



My top 12 addOns are:

Application Dictionary

Golden cursor

IdentNav

Input lock

Instant translate

Notepad++

Outlook enhanced

Remote support

SentenceNav

Sonos for Sonos desktop

Speech history

Total Commander enhanced



Best regards,

Ralf



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 15:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Favourite add-ons



What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack


 

hi.
my favorite and the one only addon which i use is nvda remote.
but i did not find notepad plus plus addon in the website of nvda addons.
what this addon do exactly?

On 8/22/18, Gary Bowers <gdbowers@att.net> wrote:
Thanks, Ralf. I'm anxious to try this one.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf
Kefferpuetz
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 1:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

Hi Gary,

It is one of my developed addons.
You can get it here:
https://github.com/Novalis7747/Outlook-enhanced/raw/master/outlook-0.9.nvda-addon

cheers,
Ralf
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Bowers
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 18:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

Ralph - Thanks for your list. Where can I see Outlook enhanced?

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf
Kefferpuetz
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

Hello,



My top 12 addOns are:

Application Dictionary

Golden cursor

IdentNav

Input lock

Instant translate

Notepad++

Outlook enhanced

Remote support

SentenceNav

Sonos for Sonos desktop

Speech history

Total Commander enhanced



Best regards,

Ralf



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 15:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Favourite add-ons



What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack














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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


 

Hmmm sociohack, interesting handle.

For me windows 10 apps, the addon updater once stable, iffinterpreters, vlc, and a few others are good.

Ofcause it depends on what you have loaded.

For example emoticons is fine, but to be honest, I have a lot of program spaciffic ones, vlc, dropbox, winamp, teamtalk, things like that.

On 8/22/2018 1:37 AM, Sociohack AC wrote:
What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack



Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes a sore point since I have had no luck restoring dropbox dialogue access on either of my windows 7 machines since I removed Avast. It is as if the api for their preferences, share and log in screens has been deleted.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons


Hmmm sociohack, interesting handle.

For me windows 10 apps, the addon updater once stable, iffinterpreters, vlc, and a few others are good.

Ofcause it depends on what you have loaded.

For example emoticons is fine, but to be honest, I have a lot of program spaciffic ones, vlc, dropbox, winamp, teamtalk, things like that.



On 8/22/2018 1:37 AM, Sociohack AC wrote:
What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack



Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!

I find the Clipspeak add-on very useful, because without it there is no announcement of when copying and cutting and pasting has been done;

As for the system tray add-on, I hope you don’t mind me asking, but why do you need this add-on, and consider it as essential, when the system tray is perfectly usable without it? I’m not criticizing, just curious as to why you consider it a necessary add-on and think it should be part of NVDA, when NVDA can easily read the system tray on its own?

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: mardi 21 août 2018 16:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

I don't use many add ons because the way I use my computer, I don't benefit from most of them.  But the two I use regularly and I consider important enough that they shouldn't be add ons is Clip Speak, which announces copy and past when you copy to and past from the clipboard, and the system tray dialog add on.  The system tray dialog has been a standard part of screen-readers since Windows 2008.  It should be included in NVDA itself but it isn't.

 

As for Clipp Speak, I don't know if there is a new version that solves these problems.  the original version caused some problems in Word and it caused a problem in the Youtube downloader I use even though I wasn't directly using the add on.  So, if you see strange problems you didn't have before, even if they seem unrelated to anything you would expect the add on to cause, try disabling them and see if the problem disappears.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 8:37 AM

Subject: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Christian Schoepplein
 

Hej,

what does the Notepad++ plugin do in detail and where can I get it? IIRC I
did not see it on the regular addon page...

Cheers and TIA,

Schoepp

On Tue, August 21, 2018 4:37 pm, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:
Hello,




My top 12 addOns are:


Application Dictionary


Golden cursor


IdentNav


Input lock


Instant translate


Notepad++


Outlook enhanced


Remote support


SentenceNav


Sonos for Sonos desktop


Speech history


Total Commander enhanced




Best regards,


Ralf




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Dienstag, 21. August 2018 15:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Favourite add-ons




What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack









Gene
 

This message is rather long.  I hope you find it interesting and provocative of thought.
 
Rarely, one of the icons doesn't work as expect in the system tray. I don't remember what now, but I couldn't do something in the system tray I should have been able to do but I could in the system tray dialog. 
 
Aside from that, while it wouldn't be a major problem or inconvenience to accustom myself to the system tray interface for regular use, why should I have to?  The dialog has been standard in screen-readers since Windows 98.  Why wasn't it included in NVDA?  As far as I know, this was for ideological reasons, and ideology defeated common sense and a reasonable accomodation to something that had been available for so long that it is now the standard. 
 
the reason there was a separate system tray dialog in the first place is that the system tray wasn't accessible in Windows 98.  And when the system tray dialog was instituted, a lot of people were still using Windows 95, where the system tray was also inaccessible.  So the dialog started as a way to use an inaccessible feature, not as a redundancy. 
 
The ideological principle is that screen-readers should never unless really necessary, present anything that isn't presented to the sighted user in a different format or manner or present any additional information. 
 
While I generally agree with this approach, ideology, strictly adhered to to the point of absurdity, always fails to deal with reality or common sense. 
 
New users to NVDA should not have to wait until they, maybe, learn about add ons to have a feature that has been standard in screen-readers for twenty years. 
 
And it was partly the same ideological rigidity that caused the copy and paste announcements not to be heard in NVDA and I object for the same reasons.  At least make the add ons part of the installation if they aren't added to the code.  Window-eyes for years, had add ons as part of the installation of the program.  This is nothing radical. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Clare Page
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

Hi!

I find the Clipspeak add-on very useful, because without it there is no announcement of when copying and cutting and pasting has been done;

As for the system tray add-on, I hope you don’t mind me asking, but why do you need this add-on, and consider it as essential, when the system tray is perfectly usable without it? I’m not criticizing, just curious as to why you consider it a necessary add-on and think it should be part of NVDA, when NVDA can easily read the system tray on its own?

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: mardi 21 août 2018 16:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

I don't use many add ons because the way I use my computer, I don't benefit from most of them.  But the two I use regularly and I consider important enough that they shouldn't be add ons is Clip Speak, which announces copy and past when you copy to and past from the clipboard, and the system tray dialog add on.  The system tray dialog has been a standard part of screen-readers since Windows 2008.  It should be included in NVDA itself but it isn't.

 

As for Clipp Speak, I don't know if there is a new version that solves these problems.  the original version caused some problems in Word and it caused a problem in the Youtube downloader I use even though I wasn't directly using the add on.  So, if you see strange problems you didn't have before, even if they seem unrelated to anything you would expect the add on to cause, try disabling them and see if the problem disappears.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sociohack AC

Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 8:37 AM

Subject: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Gene
 

Here is a correction to my last message. 
 
I said that one reason that copy, cut and paste aren't announced is the ideological one I discussed.  That may be incorrect.  I read two discussions of this when users requested the feature that are available on Ghithub.  I didn't see the ideological reason given.  Instead, the mistaken belief was expressed that it can't be known reliably except in certain cases, when copying, pasting, and cutting occur. this is factually incorrect yet it was believed by the developers for most of the years NVDA has been under development.  I don't know what the developers believe now. 
 
The argument was that NVDA would have to be programmed to announce copy, paste, and cut when the commands were given without any knowledge of whether the actions were actually taken.  So the screen-reader would give false information if something prevented the operations from occurring. 
 
As the developer of the add on has demonstrated and as I did in my tests, this belief is incorrect and I strongly believe that since the belief has been disproven, that the feature should either be placed in code or that the add on be distributed and active as part of the installation.  I don't care which solution would be adopted.
 
Gene
----- original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

This message is rather long.  I hope you find it interesting and provocative of thought.
 
Rarely, one of the icons doesn't work as expect in the system tray. I don't remember what now, but I couldn't do something in the system tray I should have been able to do but I could in the system tray dialog. 
 
Aside from that, while it wouldn't be a major problem or inconvenience to accustom myself to the system tray interface for regular use, why should I have to?  The dialog has been standard in screen-readers since Windows 98.  Why wasn't it included in NVDA?  As far as I know, this was for ideological reasons, and ideology defeated common sense and a reasonable accomodation to something that had been available for so long that it is now the standard. 
 
the reason there was a separate system tray dialog in the first place is that the system tray wasn't accessible in Windows 98.  And when the system tray dialog was instituted, a lot of people were still using Windows 95, where the system tray was also inaccessible.  So the dialog started as a way to use an inaccessible feature, not as a redundancy. 
 
The ideological principle is that screen-readers should never unless really necessary, present anything that isn't presented to the sighted user in a different format or manner or present any additional information. 
 
While I generally agree with this approach, ideology, strictly adhered to to the point of absurdity, always fails to deal with reality or common sense. 
 
New users to NVDA should not have to wait until they, maybe, learn about add ons to have a feature that has been standard in screen-readers for twenty years. 
 
And it was partly the same ideological rigidity that caused the copy and paste announcements not to be heard in NVDA and I object for the same reasons.  At least make the add ons part of the installation if they aren't added to the code.  Window-eyes for years, had add ons as part of the installation of the program.  This is nothing radical. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Clare Page
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

Hi!

I find the Clipspeak add-on very useful, because without it there is no announcement of when copying and cutting and pasting has been done;

As for the system tray add-on, I hope you don’t mind me asking, but why do you need this add-on, and consider it as essential, when the system tray is perfectly usable without it? I’m not criticizing, just curious as to why you consider it a necessary add-on and think it should be part of NVDA, when NVDA can easily read the system tray on its own?

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: mardi 21 août 2018 16:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

I don't use many add ons because the way I use my computer, I don't benefit from most of them.  But the two I use regularly and I consider important enough that they shouldn't be add ons is Clip Speak, which announces copy and past when you copy to and past from the clipboard, and the system tray dialog add on.  The system tray dialog has been a standard part of screen-readers since Windows 2008.  It should be included in NVDA itself but it isn't.

 

As for Clipp Speak, I don't know if there is a new version that solves these problems.  the original version caused some problems in Word and it caused a problem in the Youtube downloader I use even though I wasn't directly using the add on.  So, if you see strange problems you didn't have before, even if they seem unrelated to anything you would expect the add on to cause, try disabling them and see if the problem disappears.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sociohack AC

Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 8:37 AM

Subject: [nvda] Favourite add-ons

 

What are the most useful add-ons for you people?
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Regards,
Sociohack