Hello list. It now appears that Facebook is using a new captcha to prove your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in the world to solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an older version of a browser to do so.
Another thing is that Facebook should make this test possible for the blind to pass without much hassle. Has anyone else seen this new test pop up? These things say we're not human because we can't read or solve a picture puzzle. How ridiculous!!!
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Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
Yes Govsta and it sucks.
Sent from
Mail for Windows 10
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Governor staten <govsta@...>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 10:00:49 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] new facebook captcha
Hello list. It now appears that Facebook is using a new captcha to prove
your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in the world to
solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an older version of
a browser to do so.
Another thing is that Facebook should make this test possible for the
blind to pass without much hassle. Has anyone else seen this new test
pop up? These things say we're not human because we can't read or solve
a picture puzzle. How ridiculous!!!
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I wrote this little ditty to Facebook accessibility. I had the
wrong address. However, I have commented on a Facebook post about
this captcha issue. What I wrote follows. It probalby isn't
perfect in tone.
"Hello. My name is Governor Staten. I'm sending this to
remonstrate with you about this new captcha that has been
implemented to prevent fake accounts. I"m a totally blind user,
and this captcha is completely impossible for me to solve without
sighted assistance, or some other tool I cannot yet access. I use
your service every single day. Some things I do on it are deemed
as essential to me, my friends, and organizations I am a part of.
Why is there no alternative given to make it possible for the
blind to solve this captcha, therefore proving that we are not a
spam account, and also proving we are human? Why is it that not
being able to solve a purely visual construct makes us not human?
It is honestly quite degrading to have it implied that because I
cannot solve this captcha that I could be considered a spam
account and not a real human being, the same human being who is
writing this email to you. This issue is urgent and must be solved
immediately!!!
Someone that is as dedicated to accessibility as your organization
evidently is should not be making such errors as the one mentioned
above. There are a few ways in which this can be solved. For
instance, an audio captcha, or asking a question that we can then
answer, proving we are human. One more way that I have just
contemplated is to use the code generator to provide the answer to
the captcha. Have a mode in which it provides these answers if you
are blind and/or visually impaired. I'm sure there are other quite
inventive ways I haven't yet thought of that could be used as
well.
This is all to say that something must be done at your soonest
opportunity to do so. I hope that this is not long languishing in
a pile that is not urgent or not looked at."
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On 8/31/2018 10:23 PM, Lino Morales
wrote:
Yes Govsta and it sucks.
Sent from
Mail for Windows 10
Hello list. It now appears that
Facebook is using a new captcha to prove
your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in the
world to
solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an older
version of
a browser to do so.
Another thing is that Facebook should make this test
possible for the
blind to pass without much hassle. Has anyone else seen this
new test
pop up? These things say we're not human because we can't
read or solve
a picture puzzle. How ridiculous!!!
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That's great. I couldn't have said it better.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Governor staten Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 7:37 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] new facebook captcha I wrote this little ditty to Facebook accessibility. I had the wrong address. However, I have commented on a Facebook post about this captcha issue. What I wrote follows. It probalby isn't perfect in tone. "Hello. My name is Governor Staten. I'm sending this to remonstrate with you about this new captcha that has been implemented to prevent fake accounts. I"m a totally blind user, and this captcha is completely impossible for me to solve without sighted assistance, or some other tool I cannot yet access. I use your service every single day. Some things I do on it are deemed as essential to me, my friends, and organizations I am a part of.
Why is there no alternative given to make it possible for the blind to solve this captcha, therefore proving that we are not a spam account, and also proving we are human? Why is it that not being able to solve a purely visual construct makes us not human? It is honestly quite degrading to have it implied that because I cannot solve this captcha that I could be considered a spam account and not a real human being, the same human being who is writing this email to you. This issue is urgent and must be solved immediately!!!
Someone that is as dedicated to accessibility as your organization evidently is should not be making such errors as the one mentioned above. There are a few ways in which this can be solved. For instance, an audio captcha, or asking a question that we can then answer, proving we are human. One more way that I have just contemplated is to use the code generator to provide the answer to the captcha. Have a mode in which it provides these answers if you are blind and/or visually impaired. I'm sure there are other quite inventive ways I haven't yet thought of that could be used as well.
This is all to say that something must be done at your soonest opportunity to do so. I hope that this is not long languishing in a pile that is not urgent or not looked at."
On 8/31/2018 10:23 PM, Lino Morales wrote: Yes Govsta and it sucks. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
Hello list. It now appears that Facebook is using a new captcha to prove your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in the world to solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an older version of a browser to do so.
Another thing is that Facebook should make this test possible for the blind to pass without much hassle. Has anyone else seen this new test pop up? These things say we're not human because we can't read or solve a picture puzzle. How ridiculous!!!
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How ridiculous is right. I guess they think we're robots.
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Governor staten Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 7:01 PM To: nvda@groups.io Subject: [nvda] new facebook captcha
Hello list. It now appears that Facebook is using a new captcha to prove your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in the world to solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an older version of a browser to do so.
Another thing is that Facebook should make this test possible for the blind to pass without much hassle. Has anyone else seen this new test pop up? These things say we're not human because we can't read or solve a picture puzzle. How ridiculous!!!
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Hi Group,
I hate to be the barer of bad news, but with continued
deregulation of the Internet and an absolute abandonment of
accessibility in education by the current crowd in Washington, I
think more and more, such appeals will fall on deaf ears. We're
simply too small a market to justify the resources to create such
accessibility instruments.
On 8/31/2018 10:36 PM, Governor staten
wrote:
I wrote this little ditty to Facebook accessibility. I had the
wrong address. However, I have commented on a Facebook post
about this captcha issue. What I wrote follows. It probalby
isn't perfect in tone.
"Hello. My name is Governor Staten. I'm sending this to
remonstrate with you about this new captcha that has been
implemented to prevent fake accounts. I"m a totally blind user,
and this captcha is completely impossible for me to solve
without sighted assistance, or some other tool I cannot yet
access. I use your service every single day. Some things I do on
it are deemed as essential to me, my friends, and organizations
I am a part of.
Why is there no alternative given to make it possible for the
blind to solve this captcha, therefore proving that we are not a
spam account, and also proving we are human? Why is it that not
being able to solve a purely visual construct makes us not
human? It is honestly quite degrading to have it implied that
because I cannot solve this captcha that I could be considered a
spam account and not a real human being, the same human being
who is writing this email to you. This issue is urgent and must
be solved immediately!!!
Someone that is as dedicated to accessibility as your
organization evidently is should not be making such errors as
the one mentioned above. There are a few ways in which this can
be solved. For instance, an audio captcha, or asking a question
that we can then answer, proving we are human. One more way that
I have just contemplated is to use the code generator to provide
the answer to the captcha. Have a mode in which it provides
these answers if you are blind and/or visually impaired. I'm
sure there are other quite inventive ways I haven't yet thought
of that could be used as well.
This is all to say that something must be done at your soonest
opportunity to do so. I hope that this is not long languishing
in a pile that is not urgent or not looked at."
On 8/31/2018 10:23 PM, Lino Morales
wrote:
Yes Govsta and it sucks.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
Hello list. It now appears that
Facebook is using a new captcha to prove
your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in the
world to
solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an older
version of
a browser to do so.
Another thing is that Facebook should make this test
possible for the
blind to pass without much hassle. Has anyone else seen this
new test
pop up? These things say we're not human because we can't
read or solve
a picture puzzle. How ridiculous!!!
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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That’s true. However, accessibility is still important.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 11:10 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] new facebook captcha Hi Group, I hate to be the barer of bad news, but with continued deregulation of the Internet and an absolute abandonment of accessibility in education by the current crowd in Washington, I think more and more, such appeals will fall on deaf ears. We're simply too small a market to justify the resources to create such accessibility instruments. On 8/31/2018 10:36 PM, Governor staten wrote: I wrote this little ditty to Facebook accessibility. I had the wrong address. However, I have commented on a Facebook post about this captcha issue. What I wrote follows. It probalby isn't perfect in tone. "Hello. My name is Governor Staten. I'm sending this to remonstrate with you about this new captcha that has been implemented to prevent fake accounts. I"m a totally blind user, and this captcha is completely impossible for me to solve without sighted assistance, or some other tool I cannot yet access. I use your service every single day. Some things I do on it are deemed as essential to me, my friends, and organizations I am a part of.
Why is there no alternative given to make it possible for the blind to solve this captcha, therefore proving that we are not a spam account, and also proving we are human? Why is it that not being able to solve a purely visual construct makes us not human? It is honestly quite degrading to have it implied that because I cannot solve this captcha that I could be considered a spam account and not a real human being, the same human being who is writing this email to you. This issue is urgent and must be solved immediately!!!
Someone that is as dedicated to accessibility as your organization evidently is should not be making such errors as the one mentioned above. There are a few ways in which this can be solved. For instance, an audio captcha, or asking a question that we can then answer, proving we are human. One more way that I have just contemplated is to use the code generator to provide the answer to the captcha. Have a mode in which it provides these answers if you are blind and/or visually impaired. I'm sure there are other quite inventive ways I haven't yet thought of that could be used as well.
This is all to say that something must be done at your soonest opportunity to do so. I hope that this is not long languishing in a pile that is not urgent or not looked at."
On 8/31/2018 10:23 PM, Lino Morales wrote: Yes Govsta and it sucks. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
Hello list. It now appears that Facebook is using a new captcha to prove your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in the world to solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an older version of a browser to do so.
Another thing is that Facebook should make this test possible for the blind to pass without much hassle. Has anyone else seen this new test pop up? These things say we're not human because we can't read or solve a picture puzzle. How ridiculous!!!
-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Good job, governor Staten! I wish I had the passion you do about accessibility! Wow, I needed you as my advocate when I had this job! Right on! Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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From: Sky MundellSent: Saturday, September 1, 2018 2:48 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.ioSubject: Re: [nvda] new facebook captcha That’s true. However, accessibility is still important. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 11:10 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] new facebook captcha Hi Group, I hate to be the barer of bad news, but with continued deregulation of the Internet and an absolute abandonment of accessibility in education by the current crowd in Washington, I think more and more, such appeals will fall on deaf ears. We're simply too small a market to justify the resources to create such accessibility instruments. On 8/31/2018 10:36 PM, Governor staten wrote: I wrote this little ditty to Facebook accessibility. I had the wrong address. However, I have commented on a Facebook post about this captcha issue. What I wrote follows. It probalby isn't perfect in tone. "Hello. My name is Governor Staten. I'm sending this to remonstrate with you about this new captcha that has been implemented to prevent fake accounts. I"m a totally blind user, and this captcha is completely impossible for me to solve without sighted assistance, or some other tool I cannot yet access. I use your service every single day. Some things I do on it are deemed as essential to me, my friends, and organizations I am a part of.
Why is there no alternative given to make it possible for the blind to solve this captcha, therefore proving that we are not a spam account, and also proving we are human? Why is it that not being able to solve a purely visual construct makes us not human? It is honestly quite degrading to have it implied that because I cannot solve this captcha that I could be considered a spam account and not a real human being, the same human being who is writing this email to you. This issue is urgent and must be solved immediately!!!
Someone that is as dedicated to accessibility as your organization evidently is should not be making such errors as the one mentioned above. There are a few ways in which this can be solved. For instance, an audio captcha, or asking a question that we can then answer, proving we are human. One more way that I have just contemplated is to use the code generator to provide the answer to the captcha. Have a mode in which it provides these answers if you are blind and/or visually impaired. I'm sure there are other quite inventive ways I haven't yet thought of that could be used as well.
This is all to say that something must be done at your soonest opportunity to do so. I hope that this is not long languishing in a pile that is not urgent or not looked at."
On 8/31/2018 10:23 PM, Lino Morales wrote: Yes Govsta and it sucks. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
Hello list. It now appears that Facebook is using a new captcha to prove your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in the world to solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an older version of a browser to do so.
Another thing is that Facebook should make this test possible for the blind to pass without much hassle. Has anyone else seen this new test pop up? These things say we're not human because we can't read or solve a picture puzzle. How ridiculous!!!
-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Brian's Mail list account
I had hoped these were dying out. I assume you have no audio option? The daft thing is that I have seen well heard many demos of spammer cloud based cap char solvers used by said spammers and to me the only true way to avoid spam is some clever questions or an email authentication system. If Facebook really are going down this route a lot of people not just blind ones will see it as the last straw for a badly run company. Brian
bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Governor staten" <govsta@...> To: <nvda@groups.io> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 3:00 AM Subject: [nvda] new facebook captcha Hello list. It now appears that Facebook is using a new captcha to prove your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in the world to solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an older version of a browser to do so.
Another thing is that Facebook should make this test possible for the blind to pass without much hassle. Has anyone else seen this new test pop up? These things say we're not human because we can't read or solve a picture puzzle. How ridiculous!!!
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Brian's Mail list account
In the US somebody needs to invoke the ADA and make it public I think. Sounds like a cock up to me. I boycott sites that routinely use these. I encountered one the other day on Amazon Alexa, but logging in in a different way did not present it
It said, please click on the picture with a house in it, Like what? Brian. Brian
bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Governor staten" <govsta@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 3:36 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] new facebook captcha I wrote this little ditty to Facebook accessibility. I had the wrong address. However, I have commented on a Facebook post about this captcha issue. What I wrote follows. It probalby isn't perfect in tone.
"Hello. My name is Governor Staten. I'm sending this to remonstrate with you about this new captcha that has been implemented to prevent fake accounts. I"m a totally blind user, and this captcha is completely impossible for me to solve without sighted assistance, or some other tool I cannot yet access. I use your service every single day. Some things I do on it are deemed as essential to me, my friends, and organizations I am a part of.
Why is there no alternative given to make it possible for the blind to solve this captcha, therefore proving that we are not a spam account, and also proving we are human? Why is it that not being able to solve a purely visual construct makes us not human? It is honestly quite degrading to have it implied that because I cannot solve this captcha that I could be considered a spam account and not a real human being, the same human being who is writing this email to you. This issue is urgent and must be solved immediately!!!
Someone that is as dedicated to accessibility as your organization evidently is should not be making such errors as the one mentioned above. There are a few ways in which this can be solved. For instance, an audio captcha, or asking a question that we can then answer, proving we are human. One more way that I have just contemplated is to use the code generator to provide the answer to the captcha. Have a mode in which it provides these answers if you are blind and/or visually impaired. I'm sure there are other quite inventive ways I haven't yet thought of that could be used as well.
This is all to say that something must be done at your soonest opportunity to do so. I hope that this is not long languishing in a pile that is not urgent or not looked at."
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On 8/31/2018 10:23 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
Yes Govsta and it sucks.
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Governor staten <govsta@...> *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 10:00:49 PM *To:* nvda@groups.io *Subject:* [nvda] new facebook captcha Hello list. It now appears that Facebook is using a new captcha to prove your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in the world to solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an older version of a browser to do so.
Another thing is that Facebook should make this test possible for the blind to pass without much hassle. Has anyone else seen this new test pop up? These things say we're not human because we can't read or solve a picture puzzle. How ridiculous!!!
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But it is not hard to do. Many many sites seem to have solved the problem without resorting to pretty pictures. Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] new facebook captcha Hi Group,
I hate to be the barer of bad news, but with continued deregulation of the Internet and an absolute abandonment of accessibility in education by the current crowd in Washington, I think more and more, such appeals will fall on deaf ears. We're simply too small a market to justify the resources to create such accessibility instruments.
On 8/31/2018 10:36 PM, Governor staten wrote:
I wrote this little ditty to Facebook accessibility. I had the wrong address. However, I have commented on a Facebook post about this captcha issue. What I wrote follows. It probalby isn't perfect in tone.
"Hello. My name is Governor Staten. I'm sending this to remonstrate with you about this new captcha that has been implemented to prevent fake accounts. I"m a totally blind user, and this captcha is completely impossible for me to solve without sighted assistance, or some other tool I cannot yet access. I use your service every single day. Some things I do on it are deemed as essential to me, my friends, and organizations I am a part of.
Why is there no alternative given to make it possible for the blind to solve this captcha, therefore proving that we are not a spam account, and also proving we are human? Why is it that not being able to solve a purely visual construct makes us not human? It is honestly quite degrading to have it implied that because I cannot solve this captcha that I could be considered a spam account and not a real human being, the same human being who is writing this email to you. This issue is urgent and must be solved immediately!!!
Someone that is as dedicated to accessibility as your organization evidently is should not be making such errors as the one mentioned above. There are a few ways in which this can be solved. For instance, an audio captcha, or asking a question that we can then answer, proving we are human. One more way that I have just contemplated is to use the code generator to provide the answer to the captcha. Have a mode in which it provides these answers if you are blind and/or visually impaired. I'm sure there are other quite inventive ways I haven't yet thought of that could be used as well.
This is all to say that something must be done at your soonest opportunity to do so. I hope that this is not long languishing in a pile that is not urgent or not looked at."
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On 8/31/2018 10:23 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
Yes Govsta and it sucks.
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Governor staten <govsta@...> *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 10:00:49 PM *To:* nvda@groups.io *Subject:* [nvda] new facebook captcha Hello list. It now appears that Facebook is using a new captcha to prove your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in the world to solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an older version of a browser to do so.
Another thing is that Facebook should make this test possible for the blind to pass without much hassle. Has anyone else seen this new test pop up? These things say we're not human because we can't read or solve a picture puzzle. How ridiculous!!!
-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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The daft part is that all of these can probably be done with seeing AI.
Not that everyone has an apple device of course or maybe they will fund the use of aira at megabucks an hour so we could use their site? Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] new facebook captcha
How ridiculous is right. I guess they think we're robots.
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Governor staten Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 7:01 PM To: nvda@groups.io Subject: [nvda] new facebook captcha
Hello list. It now appears that Facebook is using a new captcha to prove your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in the world to solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an older version of a browser to do so.
Another thing is that Facebook should make this test possible for the blind to pass without much hassle. Has anyone else seen this new test pop up? These things say we're not human because we can't read or solve a picture puzzle. How ridiculous!!!
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The A.D.A. does not cover private companies with respect to Internet accessibility.
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On 9/1/2018 4:37 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: In the US somebody needs to invoke the ADA and make it public I think. Sounds like a cock up to me. I boycott sites that routinely use these. I encountered one the other day on Amazon Alexa, but logging in in a different way did not present it
It said, please click on the picture with a house in it, Like what? Brian. Brian
bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Governor staten" <govsta@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 3:36 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] new facebook captcha
I wrote this little ditty to Facebook accessibility. I had the wrong address. However, I have commented on a Facebook post about this captcha issue. What I wrote follows. It probalby isn't perfect in tone.
"Hello. My name is Governor Staten. I'm sending this to remonstrate with you about this new captcha that has been implemented to prevent fake accounts. I"m a totally blind user, and this captcha is completely impossible for me to solve without sighted assistance, or some other tool I cannot yet access. I use your service every single day. Some things I do on it are deemed as essential to me, my friends, and organizations I am a part of.
Why is there no alternative given to make it possible for the blind to solve this captcha, therefore proving that we are not a spam account, and also proving we are human? Why is it that not being able to solve a purely visual construct makes us not human? It is honestly quite degrading to have it implied that because I cannot solve this captcha that I could be considered a spam account and not a real human being, the same human being who is writing this email to you. This issue is urgent and must be solved immediately!!!
Someone that is as dedicated to accessibility as your organization evidently is should not be making such errors as the one mentioned above. There are a few ways in which this can be solved. For instance, an audio captcha, or asking a question that we can then answer, proving we are human. One more way that I have just contemplated is to use the code generator to provide the answer to the captcha. Have a mode in which it provides these answers if you are blind and/or visually impaired. I'm sure there are other quite inventive ways I haven't yet thought of that could be used as well.
This is all to say that something must be done at your soonest opportunity to do so. I hope that this is not long languishing in a pile that is not urgent or not looked at."
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On 8/31/2018 10:23 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
Yes Govsta and it sucks.
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
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*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Governor staten <govsta@...> *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 10:00:49 PM *To:* nvda@groups.io *Subject:* [nvda] new facebook captcha Hello list. It now appears that Facebook is using a new captcha to prove your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in the world to solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an older version of a browser to do so.
Another thing is that Facebook should make this test possible for the blind to pass without much hassle. Has anyone else seen this new test pop up? These things say we're not human because we can't read or solve a picture puzzle. How ridiculous!!!
-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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What do you mean boycott? If they aren't
accessible, there is no practical way to use them without sighted help being
available whenever you want to. The site is boycotting you.
Gene
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 3:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new facebook captcha
In the US somebody needs to invoke the ADA and make it public I
think. Sounds like a cock up to me. I boycott sites that routinely use
these. I encountered one the other day on Amazon Alexa, but logging in in a
different way did not present it It said, please click on the picture
with a house in it, Like what? Brian. Brian bglists@...Sent via
blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting
'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Governor staten" < govsta@...> To: < nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday,
September 01, 2018 3:36 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] new facebook
captcha >I wrote this little ditty to Facebook accessibility. I
had the wrong > address. However, I have commented on a Facebook post
about this captcha > issue. What I wrote follows. It probalby isn't
perfect in tone. > > > "Hello. My name is Governor Staten. I'm
sending this to remonstrate with > you about this new captcha that has
been implemented to prevent fake > accounts. I"m a totally blind user, and
this captcha is completely > impossible for me to solve without sighted
assistance, or some other > tool I cannot yet access. I use your service
every single day. Some > things I do on it are deemed as essential to me,
my friends, and > organizations I am a part of. > > >
Why is there no alternative given to make it possible for the blind to >
solve this captcha, therefore proving that we are not a spam account, >
and also proving we are human? Why is it that not being able to solve a >
purely visual construct makes us not human? It is honestly quite >
degrading to have it implied that because I cannot solve this captcha >
that I could be considered a spam account and not a real human being, >
the same human being who is writing this email to you. This issue is >
urgent and must be solved immediately!!! > > > Someone that is
as dedicated to accessibility as your organization > evidently is should
not be making such errors as the one mentioned > above. There are a few
ways in which this can be solved. For instance, > an audio captcha, or
asking a question that we can then answer, proving > we are human. One
more way that I have just contemplated is to use the > code generator to
provide the answer to the captcha. Have a mode in > which it provides
these answers if you are blind and/or visually > impaired. I'm sure there
are other quite inventive ways I haven't yet > thought of that could be
used as well. > > > This is all to say that something must be
done at your soonest > opportunity to do so. I hope that this is not long
languishing in a pile > that is not urgent or not looked
at." > > > > >
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On 8/31/2018 10:23 PM, Lino Morales wrote: >> >> Yes Govsta
and it sucks. >> >> Sent from Mail < https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
for >> Windows 10 >> >>
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*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io < nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf
of >> Governor staten < govsta@...> >> *Sent:*
Friday, August 31, 2018 10:00:49 PM >> *To:* nvda@groups.io>> *Subject:* [nvda]
new facebook captcha >> Hello list. It now appears that Facebook is
using a new captcha to prove >> your account isn't spam. It's not the
easiest thing in the world to >> solve captchas at this time. I'm not
willing to run an older version of >> a browser to do
so. >> >> >> Another thing is that Facebook should
make this test possible for the >> blind to pass without much hassle.
Has anyone else seen this new test >> pop up? These things say we're
not human because we can't read or solve >> a picture puzzle. How
ridiculous!!! >> >> >> >> >> > >
> >
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JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
Yes, this came up for me last night.
What is the address for accessibility that you wrote your message to? I filed a bug/problem report, but it usually takes them quite some time to even get to those (though in my experience, they actually seem to listen, eventually).
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Governor staten Sent: August 31, 2018 10:01 PM To: nvda@groups.io Subject: [nvda] new facebook captcha
Hello list. It now appears that Facebook is using a new captcha to prove your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in the world to solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an older version of a browser to do so.
Another thing is that Facebook should make this test possible for the blind to pass without much hassle. Has anyone else seen this new test pop up? These things say we're not human because we can't read or solve a picture puzzle. How ridiculous!!!
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I haven't used either of these in quite awhile but both are in my adress book!
accessibility+dzzcpx2@...
accessibility+dzzcpx2@...
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----- Original Message ----- From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] new facebook captcha
Yes, this came up for me last night.
What is the address for accessibility that you wrote your message to? I filed a bug/problem report, but it usually takes them quite some time to even get to those (though in my experience, they actually seem to listen, eventually).
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Governor staten Sent: August 31, 2018 10:01 PM To: nvda@groups.io Subject: [nvda] new facebook captcha
Hello list. It now appears that Facebook is using a new captcha to prove your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in the world to solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an older version of a browser to do so.
Another thing is that Facebook should make this test possible for the blind to pass without much hassle. Has anyone else seen this new test pop up? These things say we're not human because we can't read or solve a picture puzzle. How ridiculous!!!
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Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
Well gee Ron I guess you don’t want to be an advocate for the blind then huh? I don’t belong to either crazy blindness org, but I’m only 1 individual blind dude and it doesn’t hurt to contact these tech giants with our concerns regardless
of our disability. We need to work with our current admin in the WH like it or lump it.
Sent from
Mail for Windows 10
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2018 2:10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new facebook captcha
Hi Group,
I hate to be the barer of bad news, but with continued deregulation of the Internet and an absolute abandonment of accessibility in education by the current crowd in Washington, I think more and more, such appeals will fall on deaf ears. We're simply
too small a market to justify the resources to create such accessibility instruments.
On 8/31/2018 10:36 PM, Governor staten wrote:
I wrote this little ditty to Facebook accessibility. I had the wrong address. However, I have commented on a Facebook post about this captcha issue. What I wrote follows. It probalby isn't perfect in tone.
"Hello. My name is Governor Staten. I'm sending this to remonstrate with you about this new captcha that has been implemented to prevent fake accounts. I"m a totally blind user, and this captcha is completely impossible for me to solve without sighted assistance,
or some other tool I cannot yet access. I use your service every single day. Some things I do on it are deemed as essential to me, my friends, and organizations I am a part of.
Why is there no alternative given to make it possible for the blind to solve this captcha, therefore proving that we are not a spam account, and also proving we are human? Why is it that not being able to solve a purely visual construct makes us not human?
It is honestly quite degrading to have it implied that because I cannot solve this captcha that I could be considered a spam account and not a real human being, the same human being who is writing this email to you. This issue is urgent and must be solved
immediately!!!
Someone that is as dedicated to accessibility as your organization evidently is should not be making such errors as the one mentioned above. There are a few ways in which this can be solved. For instance, an audio captcha, or asking a question that we can then
answer, proving we are human. One more way that I have just contemplated is to use the code generator to provide the answer to the captcha. Have a mode in which it provides these answers if you are blind and/or visually impaired. I'm sure there are other quite
inventive ways I haven't yet thought of that could be used as well.
This is all to say that something must be done at your soonest opportunity to do so. I hope that this is not long languishing in a pile that is not urgent or not looked at."
On 8/31/2018 10:23 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
Yes Govsta and it sucks.
Sent from
Mail for Windows 10
Hello list. It now appears that Facebook is using a new captcha to prove
your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in the world to
solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an older version of
a browser to do so.
Another thing is that Facebook should make this test possible for the
blind to pass without much hassle. Has anyone else seen this new test
pop up? These things say we're not human because we can't read or solve
a picture puzzle. How ridiculous!!!
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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good luck.
On 9/1/2018 2:26 PM, Lino Morales
wrote:
Well gee Ron I guess you don’t want to be
an advocate for the blind then huh? I don’t belong to either
crazy blindness org, but I’m only 1 individual blind dude and
it doesn’t hurt to contact these tech giants with our concerns
regardless of our disability. We need to work with our current
admin in the WH like it or lump it.
Sent from
Mail for Windows 10
Hi Group,
I hate to be the barer of bad news, but with continued
deregulation of the Internet and an absolute abandonment of
accessibility in education by the current crowd in
Washington, I think more and more, such appeals will fall on
deaf ears. We're simply too small a market to justify the
resources to create such accessibility instruments.
On 8/31/2018 10:36 PM, Governor
staten wrote:
I wrote this little ditty to Facebook accessibility. I had
the wrong address. However, I have commented on a Facebook
post about this captcha issue. What I wrote follows. It
probalby isn't perfect in tone.
"Hello. My name is Governor Staten. I'm sending this to
remonstrate with you about this new captcha that has been
implemented to prevent fake accounts. I"m a totally blind
user, and this captcha is completely impossible for me to
solve without sighted assistance, or some other tool I
cannot yet access. I use your service every single day. Some
things I do on it are deemed as essential to me, my friends,
and organizations I am a part of.
Why is there no alternative given to make it possible for
the blind to solve this captcha, therefore proving that we
are not a spam account, and also proving we are human? Why
is it that not being able to solve a purely visual construct
makes us not human? It is honestly quite degrading to have
it implied that because I cannot solve this captcha that I
could be considered a spam account and not a real human
being, the same human being who is writing this email to
you. This issue is urgent and must be solved immediately!!!
Someone that is as dedicated to accessibility as your
organization evidently is should not be making such errors
as the one mentioned above. There are a few ways in which
this can be solved. For instance, an audio captcha, or
asking a question that we can then answer, proving we are
human. One more way that I have just contemplated is to use
the code generator to provide the answer to the captcha.
Have a mode in which it provides these answers if you are
blind and/or visually impaired. I'm sure there are other
quite inventive ways I haven't yet thought of that could be
used as well.
This is all to say that something must be done at your
soonest opportunity to do so. I hope that this is not long
languishing in a pile that is not urgent or not looked at."
On 8/31/2018 10:23 PM, Lino
Morales wrote:
Yes Govsta and it sucks.
Sent from
Mail for Windows 10
Hello list. It now appears that
Facebook is using a new captcha to prove
your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in
the world to
solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an
older version of
a browser to do so.
Another thing is that Facebook should make this test
possible for the
blind to pass without much hassle. Has anyone else seen
this new test
pop up? These things say we're not human because we
can't read or solve
a picture puzzle. How ridiculous!!!
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Expressing a view that we will have increasingly
less ability to get as much done doesn't mean someone won't advocate. One
can advocate, optimist or pessimist.
Gene
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new facebook captcha
Well gee Ron I guess you don’t want to be an advocate for the
blind then huh? I don’t belong to either crazy blindness org, but I’m only 1
individual blind dude and it doesn’t hurt to contact these tech giants with our
concerns regardless of our disability. We need to work with our current admin in
the WH like it or lump it.
Sent from Mail for Windows
10
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
<nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Ron Canazzi
<aa2vm@...> Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2018 2:10:01
AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] new facebook
captcha
Hi Group,
I hate to be the barer of bad news, but with continued deregulation of the
Internet and an absolute abandonment of accessibility in education by the
current crowd in Washington, I think more and more, such appeals will fall
on deaf ears. We're simply too small a market to justify the
resources to create such accessibility instruments.
On 8/31/2018 10:36 PM, Governor staten
wrote:
I wrote this little ditty to Facebook accessibility. I had the
wrong address. However, I have commented on a Facebook post about this captcha
issue. What I wrote follows. It probalby isn't perfect in tone.
"Hello. My name is Governor Staten. I'm sending this to remonstrate with
you about this new captcha that has been implemented to prevent fake accounts.
I"m a totally blind user, and this captcha is completely impossible for me to
solve without sighted assistance, or some other tool I cannot yet access. I
use your service every single day. Some things I do on it are deemed as
essential to me, my friends, and organizations I am a part of.
Why
is there no alternative given to make it possible for the blind to solve this
captcha, therefore proving that we are not a spam account, and also proving we
are human? Why is it that not being able to solve a purely visual construct
makes us not human? It is honestly quite degrading to have it implied that
because I cannot solve this captcha that I could be considered a spam account
and not a real human being, the same human being who is writing this email to
you. This issue is urgent and must be solved immediately!!!
Someone that is as dedicated to accessibility as your organization
evidently is should not be making such errors as the one mentioned above.
There are a few ways in which this can be solved. For instance, an audio
captcha, or asking a question that we can then answer, proving we are human.
One more way that I have just contemplated is to use the code generator to
provide the answer to the captcha. Have a mode in which it provides these
answers if you are blind and/or visually impaired. I'm sure there are other
quite inventive ways I haven't yet thought of that could be used as well.
This is all to say that something must be done at your soonest
opportunity to do so. I hope that this is not long languishing in a pile that
is not urgent or not looked at."
On 8/31/2018 10:23 PM, Lino Morales
wrote:
Yes Govsta and it sucks.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
Hello list. It now appears that Facebook is using a new
captcha to prove your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in
the world to solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an
older version of a browser to do so.
Another thing is that
Facebook should make this test possible for the blind to pass without
much hassle. Has anyone else seen this new test pop up? These things say
we're not human because we can't read or solve a picture puzzle. How
ridiculous!!!
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Perhaps the ADA should be amended to cover private companies as well... Though I'm not in the US and so can't really petition Congress, but maybe someone in the US could create an online petition to ask Congress to amend the ADA to cover private companies. This is not about regulating the internet, this is about protecting the rights of people with disabilities.
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