Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the other list with an additional NVDA question.
First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.
What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the backspace.
First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.
Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things get more and more sluggish again.
In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in Windows 7.
If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
Travis
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HI,
I hate to suggest this because I would hope that this kind of
thing has been eliminated since I last did software development.
It sounds to me that what you are experiencing is like what
used to happen when a program had a memory leak. As time went
by and more and more events happened memory would fill up and
things would slow down.
I would expect that if this were the case many more of us
would be seeing this behavior too but so far it doesn't sound
like there are very many.
Is this possible?
Another thought is that have you checked to make sure
the virtual storage setting is high enough on your system? This
used to happen if virtual storage was set too low. Sorry, it has
been too long since I last worked with virtual storage and I can't
seem to find where this setting is on Windows 10. Maybe someone
else on here can suggest how to find it.
I hope this helps.
Dan Beaver
On 9/2/2018 2:02 PM, Kwork wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Since
asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent
to the other list with an additional NVDA question.
First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore
now uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7
installation.
What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around
through files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and
a half second delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys.
Same with the backspace.
First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and
ribbons, or am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.
Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files
and folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and
animations turned off. The sluggishness remains, and increases
over time. Starting and stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in
Task Manager seems to make things less slow, but still not normal
for a few minutes, then things get more and more sluggish again.
In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if
it would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness
I had in Windows 7.
If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
Travis
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Both thoughts to consider. Thanks. I wouldn't know where to go
looking for the virtual storage setting.
On 9/2/2018 11:17 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
HI,
I hate to suggest this because I would hope that this kind
of thing has been eliminated since I last did software
development.
It sounds to me that what you are experiencing is like what
used to happen when a program had a memory leak. As time went
by and more and more events happened memory would fill up and
things would slow down.
I would expect that if this were the case many more of us
would be seeing this behavior too but so far it doesn't sound
like there are very many.
Is this possible?
Another thought is that have you checked to make
sure the virtual storage setting is high enough on your system?Â
This used to happen if virtual storage was set too low. Sorry,
it has been too long since I last worked with virtual storage
and I can't seem to find where this setting is on Windows 10.Â
Maybe someone else on here can suggest how to find it.
I hope this helps.
Dan Beaver
On 9/2/2018 2:02 PM, Kwork wrote:
Since
asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent
to the other list with an additional NVDA question.
First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File
Explore now uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former
Windows 7 installation.
What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around
through files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter
and a half second delay after each press of the arrow and enter
keys. Same with the backspace.
First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and
ribbons, or am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.
Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating
files and folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and
animations turned off. The sluggishness remains, and increases
over time. Starting and stopping the "Windows Explorer" process
in Task Manager seems to make things less slow, but still not
normal for a few minutes, then things get more and more sluggish
again.
In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see
if it would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the
snappiness I had in Windows 7.
If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
Travis
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|
Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and
we will see if my memory is correct. As I recall, this is the result of
UIA, a system used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with
screen-readers. I don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall
what I've seen discussed here, though I may have found a partial work
around. I don't use Windows 10 so you can see. I'll explain it after
the rest of my general comments. I wonder if JAWS has the same
problem. Others who know more technically may comment on whether this is a
Microsoft problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve
it.Â
Â
Try this:
I'm giving desktop layout commands:
Move into the folder where you want to find a
file. Instead of down arrowing, move through each item as though it were
its own object, which it is. The command to move by object down the screen
is numpad insert numpad 6. Keep holding insert and pressing six to move
through the list. To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad
4. When you want to open something, it will not be selected. use the
command numpad insert numpad enter. Execute the command twice, once to
select the item, once to open it. You are doing what a mouse user does
when he/she double clicks an item. You aren't using a mouse but you are
first selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which is the
same sequence a mouse user follows.
Â
Gene
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer
sluggishness
Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested
that I ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to
the other list with an additional NVDA question. First of all,
I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now uses ribbons rather
than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation. What's bothering me
more is the sluggishness when moving around through files and folders. There
seems to be between a quarter and a half second delay after each press of
the arrow and enter keys. Same with the backspace. First question: is
there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or am I stuck? I'm
guessing the answer to be stuck. Next, is there a way to speed up
movement through navigating files and folders? As far as I can tell, I have
all visuals and animations turned off. The sluggishness remains, and
increases over time. Starting and stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in
Task Manager seems to make things less slow, but still not normal for a few
minutes, then things get more and more sluggish again. In addition,
is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it would help in the
new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in Windows
7. If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks. Travis
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This may be referring to the amount of virtual
memory. Absolutely not the cause of the problem. If you had so
little RAM in the computer that you couldn't even down arrow through a files and
folders list, you couldn't run any programs except so slowly you wouldn't use
the machine.
Â
Gene----- Original
Message -----
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer
sluggishness
Both thoughts to consider. Thanks. I wouldn't know where to go looking for
the virtual storage setting.
On 9/2/2018 11:17 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:
HI,
I hate to suggest this because I would hope that this kind of thing has
been eliminated since I last did software development.
It sounds to me that what you are experiencing is like what used to
happen when a program had a memory leak. As time went by and more and
more events happened memory would fill up and things would slow down.
I would expect that if this were the case many more of us would be
seeing this behavior too but so far it doesn't sound like there are very
many.
Is this possible?
Another thought is that have you checked to make sure the virtual
storage setting is high enough on your system? This used to happen if
virtual storage was set too low. Sorry, it has been too long since I
last worked with virtual storage and I can't seem to find where this setting
is on Windows 10. Maybe someone else on here can suggest how to find
it.
I hope this helps.
Dan Beaver
On 9/2/2018 2:02 PM, Kwork wrote:
Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested
that I ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to
the other list with an additional NVDA question.
First of all,
I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now uses ribbons rather
than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.
What's bothering
me more is the sluggishness when moving around through files and folders.
There seems to be between a quarter and a half second delay after each press
of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the backspace.
First
question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or am I
stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.
Next, is there a way to
speed up movement through navigating files and folders? As far as I can
tell, I have all visuals and animations turned off. The sluggishness
remains, and increases over time. Starting and stopping the "Windows
Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make things less slow, but still
not normal for a few minutes, then things get more and more sluggish again.
In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in
Windows 7.
If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks.
Travis
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what I do, when NVDA doesn't read the list of folders or files in
File Explorer, if I don't just become impatient and restart NVDA
altogether, which does solve the probem temporarily, is to down
arrow through the files because some of them I know from going
through them before what they are, and just entering on the one I
think is the one I want. If it isn't, I just hit backspace and
keep going. I've found ways to deal with this File Explorer
sluggishness, but it can be a pain. And I really hate to say this
because I love NVDA, but it doesn't do this in System Access.
System Access has its own quirks in Windows 10, though, one of
which drives me even more batty than the sluggish File Explorer
list not being read quickly by NVDA, and sometimes not even at
all, does, and that is what I call the dead insert key. I can live
with a sluggish file explorer; I cannot live without my insert
key. Another thing that helps is simply to close file explorer
altogether and reopen it. I'm trying to figure out a pattern for
why it does this, but I can't seem to. It *really* does it with
Dropbox, though; in fact, when I copy and paste a file or folder
from Dropbox into somewhere else on my computer, I just
automatically restart NVDA. I don't even mess with it. So yeah,
I've figured out ways to deal with it and I can live with it, but
glorious will be the day when it no longer happens. I'll
celebrate! Honestly! LOL!
Annette
On 9/2/2018 2:25 PM, Gene wrote:
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Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see
if my memory is correct. As I recall, this is the result of
UIA, a system used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with
screen-readers. I don't think you can do anything about it, as
I recall what I've seen discussed here, though I may have found
a partial work around. I don't use Windows 10 so you can see.Â
I'll explain it after the rest of my general comments. I wonder
if JAWS has the same problem. Others who know more technically
may comment on whether this is a Microsoft problem or if it will
take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve it.Â
Â
Try this:
I'm giving desktop layout commands:
Move into the folder where you want to find a file. Instead
of down arrowing, move through each item as though it were its
own object, which it is. The command to move by object down the
screen is numpad insert numpad 6. Keep holding insert and
pressing six to move through the list. To move back, the
command is numpad insert numpad 4. When you want to open
something, it will not be selected. use the command numpad
insert numpad enter. Execute the command twice, once to select
the item, once to open it. You are doing what a mouse user does
when he/she double clicks an item. You aren't using a mouse but
you are first selecting, then taking an action, in this case
opening it, which is the same sequence a mouse user follows.
Â
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer
sluggishness
Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested
that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent
to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.
First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore
now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7
installation.
What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around
through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half
second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the
backspace.
First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and
ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.
Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files
and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations
turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting
and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to
make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then
things
get more and more sluggish again.
In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if
it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I
had in
Windows 7.
If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
Travis
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Hi,  Firstly, no, JAWS doesn’t suffer from the same problem.  Secondly, though,I don’t find this slowness either with NVDA – I don’t use NVDA constantly so maybe it is only after it has been running for a long time that the problem arises. However, I’ve just spent 15 minutes going through my various drives and folders with absolutely no slow down at all – one of the folders had in excess of 1,000 subfolders and it was as quick as one which only had one or two in it!  The only other thing I can think of is that, possibly, it may be an add-on which is causing this? The reason I put this out is that I have very, very few add-ons installed!  Good luck with identifying where the problem is and on fixing it.  Oh yes, and I’m using the latest version of Windows 10 64-bit along with the latest stable version of NVDA.  Cheers Richard Bartholomew  Â
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: 02 September 2018 20:25 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my memory is correct. As I recall, this is the result of UIA, a system used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers. I don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen discussed here, though I may have found a partial work around. I don't use Windows 10 so you can see. I'll explain it after the rest of my general comments. I wonder if JAWS has the same problem. Others who know more technically may comment on whether this is a Microsoft problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve it. I'm giving desktop layout commands: Move into the folder where you want to find a file. Instead of down arrowing, move through each item as though it were its own object, which it is. The command to move by object down the screen is numpad insert numpad 6. Keep holding insert and pressing six to move through the list. To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4. When you want to open something, it will not be selected. use the command numpad insert numpad enter. Execute the command twice, once to select the item, once to open it. You are doing what a mouse user does when he/she double clicks an item. You aren't using a mouse but you are first selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which is the same sequence a mouse user follows. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the other list with an additional NVDA question.
First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.
What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the backspace.
First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.
Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things get more and more sluggish again.
In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in Windows 7.
If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
Travis
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Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@...>
Richard Bartholomew <rlbart53@...> wrote: Secondly, though,I don’t find this slowness either with NVDA – I don’t use NVDA constantly so maybe it is only after it has been running for a long time that the problem arises. However, I’ve just spent 15 minutes going through my various drives and folders with absolutely no slow down at all – one of the folders had in excess of 1,000 subfolders and it was as quick as one which only had one or two in it! One cause of the slowness has been linked to having the preview pain turned on while running file explorer. Press alt+v and look through the view ribbon to determine the pane's state.
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I doubt it. It may vary from machine to
machine for unknown reasons. I think that if it were an add on, in the
past discussions I've seen, that would have very likely been discovered as the
problem was discussed and people tried various possible solutions. I
remember no such correllation. There's no harm in running NVDA with all
add-ons disabled to find out but I'm very doubtful.
Â
Gene
----- Original Message
-----
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer
sluggishness
Hi,
Â
Firstly, no, JAWS
doesn’t suffer from the same problem.Â
Â
Secondly, though,I
don’t find this slowness either with NVDA – I don’t use NVDA constantly so maybe
it is only after it has been running for a long time that the problem
arises. However, I’ve just spent 15 minutes going through my various
drives and folders with absolutely no slow down at all – one of the folders had
in excess of 1,000 subfolders and it was as quick as one which only had one or
two in it!
Â
The only other
thing I can think of is that, possibly, it may be an add-on which is causing
this? The reason I put this out is that I have very, very few add-ons
installed!
Â
Good luck with
identifying where the problem is and on fixing it.
Â
Oh yes, and I’m
using the latest version of Windows 10 64-bit along with the latest stable
version of NVDA.
Â
Cheers
Richard
Bartholomew
Â
Â
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From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene Sent: 02 September 2018 20:25 To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file
explorer sluggishness
Â
Others who use Windows
10 will telll you more and we will see if my memory is correct. As I
recall, this is the result of UIA, a system used much more in Windows 10 to
communicate with screen-readers. I don't think you can do anything about
it, as I recall what I've seen discussed here, though I may have found a partial
work around. I don't use Windows 10 so you can see. I'll explain it
after the rest of my general comments. I wonder if JAWS has the same
problem. Others who know more technically may comment on whether this is a
Microsoft problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve
it.Â
I'm giving desktop
layout commands:
Move into the folder
where you want to find a file. Instead of down arrowing, move through each
item as though it were its own object, which it is. The command to move by
object down the screen is numpad insert numpad 6. Keep holding insert and
pressing six to move through the list. To move back, the command is numpad
insert numpad 4. When you want to open something, it will not be
selected. use the command numpad insert numpad enter. Execute the
command twice, once to select the item, once to open it. You are doing
what a mouse user does when he/she double clicks an item. You aren't using
a mouse but you are first selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening
it, which is the same sequence a mouse user follows.
----- Original Message
-----
Sent: Sunday, September 02,
2018 1:02 PM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10
1803 and file explorer sluggishness
Since asking this on the Windows
10 list, it was also suggested that I ask more NVDA users here, so am
copying below the message I sent to the other list with an additional NVDA
question.
First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File
Explore now uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7
installation.
What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving
around through files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a
half second delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with
the backspace.
First question: is there a way to toggle between
folders and ribbons, or am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be
stuck.
Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files
and folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things
get more and more sluggish again.
In addition, is there anything in
NVDA that I can check to see if it would help in the new sluggishness? I
just miss the snappiness I had in Windows 7.
If anyone knows what
I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
Travis
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|
The fault lies with both Microsoft and NVDA. As far as I understand it, here's the issue. With UIA, you can tell it which events you want to be notified about, and for which windows. NVDA decided that it was going to listen to certain events from every window on the system, and not just the one that had the focus. That doesn't sound too bad, until... If another application on the system isn't responding fast enough, UIA stops notifying NVDA of events if NVDA is listening to certain properties of that window (I think it was name and value change). I'll lay out a simple, real-world example: 1. I start uploading a file in WinSCP. 2. I switch away from WinSCP into File Explorer. I guess WinSCP doesn't respond fast enough to UIA, so UIA decides not to send NVDA events for anything anymore. From then on, until that upload finishes or I close WinSCP, my File Explorer won't read properly, nor will alt+tab or anything else that depends on UIA. This particular example isn't as bad as I thought, but my UIA does stop responding for a few seconds at a time, and it's definitely noticeable. I've heard that the next version of Windows 10 tries to fix this. However, if NVDA simply listened to events from the currently running application, I think this would be a much less severe problem. This might break reading of background progress bars, but that's a small price to pay for a working system. Also, JAWS and Narrator don't have this problem, only NVDA. For more info, see issue 8535 and its linked issues: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8535
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On 9/2/2018 12:57 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote: Hi,
Â
Firstly, no, JAWS doesn’t suffer from the same problem.Â
Â
Secondly, though,I don’t find this slowness either with NVDA – I don’t use NVDA constantly so maybe it is only after it has been running for a long time that the problem arises. However, I’ve just spent 15 minutes going through my various drives and folders with absolutely no slow down at all – one of the folders had in excess of 1,000 subfolders and it was as quick as one which only had one or two in it!
Â
The only other thing I can think of is that, possibly, it may be an add-on which is causing this? The reason I put this out is that I have very, very few add-ons installed!
Â
Good luck with identifying where the problem is and on fixing it.
Â
Oh yes, and I’m using the latest version of Windows 10 64-bit along with the latest stable version of NVDA.
Â
Cheers
Richard Bartholomew
Â
Â
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene *Sent:* 02 September 2018 20:25 *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness
Â
Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my memory is correct. As I recall, this is the result of UIA, a system used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers. I don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen discussed here, though I may have found a partial work around. I don't use Windows 10 so you can see. I'll explain it after the rest of my general comments. I wonder if JAWS has the same problem. Others who know more technically may comment on whether this is a Microsoft problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve it.Â
Â
Try this:
I'm giving desktop layout commands:
Move into the folder where you want to find a file. Instead of down arrowing, move through each item as though it were its own object, which it is. The command to move by object down the screen is numpad insert numpad 6. Keep holding insert and pressing six to move through the list. To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4. When you want to open something, it will not be selected. use the command numpad insert numpad enter. Execute the command twice, once to select the item, once to open it. You are doing what a mouse user does when he/she double clicks an item. You aren't using a mouse but you are first selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which is the same sequence a mouse user follows.
Â
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Kwork <mailto:istherelife@...>
*Sent:*Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*[nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness
Â
Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the other list with an additional NVDA question.
First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.
What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the backspace.
First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.
Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things get more and more sluggish again.
In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in Windows 7.
If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
Travis
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Actually, that works, and does make looking through snappier for
sure. If a large folder, I'll press the letter where I need to go
that'll be close to the file name, then use what you described to
get there.
One slight correction to your instructions, and it's slight:
numpad enter once both selects the folder/file entry and opens
it. I also thought it would take two to go through the selection
and activation process. It scared me when a file started playing
immediately. LOL!
Travis
On 9/2/2018 12:25 PM, Gene wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Others who use Windows 10 will
telll you more and we will see if my memory is correct. As I
recall, this is the result of UIA, a system used much more in
Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers. I don't think
you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen
discussed here, though I may have found a partial work
around. I don't use Windows 10 so you can see. I'll explain
it after the rest of my general comments. I wonder if JAWS
has the same problem. Others who know more technically may
comment on whether this is a Microsoft problem or if it will
take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve it.Â
Â
Try this:
I'm giving desktop layout
commands:
Move into the folder where you
want to find a file. Instead of down arrowing, move through
each item as though it were its own object, which it is. The
command to move by object down the screen is numpad insert
numpad 6. Keep holding insert and pressing six to move
through the list. To move back, the command is numpad insert
numpad 4. When you want to open something, it will not be
selected. use the command numpad insert numpad enter.Â
Execute the command twice, once to select the item, once to
open it. You are doing what a mouse user does when he/she
double clicks an item. You aren't using a mouse but you are
first selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening
it, which is the same sequence a mouse user follows.
Â
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer
sluggishness
Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested
that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent
to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.
First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore
now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7
installation.
What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around
through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half
second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the
backspace.
First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and
ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.
Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files
and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations
turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting
and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to
make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then
things
get more and more sluggish again.
In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if
it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I
had in
Windows 7.
If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
Travis
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Hahaha, I hear you. I also rely much on the insert key, so it's
death would not make me happy.
Gene's workaround actually helped me quite a bit.
Travis
On 9/2/2018 12:49 PM, Annette Moore
wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
what I do, when NVDA doesn't read the list of folders or files
in File Explorer, if I don't just become impatient and restart
NVDA altogether, which does solve the probem temporarily, is to
down arrow through the files because some of them I know from
going through them before what they are, and just entering on
the one I think is the one I want. If it isn't, I just hit
backspace and keep going. I've found ways to deal with this File
Explorer sluggishness, but it can be a pain. And I really hate
to say this because I love NVDA, but it doesn't do this in
System Access. System Access has its own quirks in Windows 10,
though, one of which drives me even more batty than the sluggish
File Explorer list not being read quickly by NVDA, and
sometimes not even at all, does, and that is what I call the
dead insert key. I can live with a sluggish file explorer; I
cannot live without my insert key. Another thing that helps is
simply to close file explorer altogether and reopen it. I'm
trying to figure out a pattern for why it does this, but I can't
seem to. It *really* does it with Dropbox, though; in fact, when
I copy and paste a file or folder from Dropbox into somewhere
else on my computer, I just automatically restart NVDA. I don't
even mess with it. So yeah, I've figured out ways to deal with
it and I can live with it, but glorious will be the day when it
no longer happens. I'll celebrate! Honestly! LOL!
Annette
On 9/2/2018 2:25 PM, Gene wrote:
Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will
see if my memory is correct. As I recall, this is the result
of UIA, a system used much more in Windows 10 to communicate
with screen-readers. I don't think you can do anything about
it, as I recall what I've seen discussed here, though I may
have found a partial work around. I don't use Windows 10 so
you can see. I'll explain it after the rest of my general
comments. I wonder if JAWS has the same problem. Others who
know more technically may comment on whether this is a
Microsoft problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA
developers to solve it.Â
Â
Try this:
I'm giving desktop layout commands:
Move into the folder where you want to find a file.Â
Instead of down arrowing, move through each item as though it
were its own object, which it is. The command to move by
object down the screen is numpad insert numpad 6. Keep
holding insert and pressing six to move through the list. To
move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4. When you
want to open something, it will not be selected. use the
command numpad insert numpad enter. Execute the command
twice, once to select the item, once to open it. You are
doing what a mouse user does when he/she double clicks an
item. You aren't using a mouse but you are first selecting,
then taking an action, in this case opening it, which is the
same sequence a mouse user follows.
Â
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file
explorer sluggishness
Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested
that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent
to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.
First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File
Explore now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7
installation.
What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around
through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a
half second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with
the
backspace.
First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and
ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.
Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating
files and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations
turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting
and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to
make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then
things
get more and more sluggish again.
In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see
if it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I
had in
Windows 7.
If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
Travis
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|
Hmm, maybe it's time to remember and take my own advice that I
gave Jackie the other day that helped resolve her Firefox
selection problem. I didn't think of add-ons
Whether it works, what Gene advised is working better than how I
was doing things. It, just, gets, old, when, each, file, and,
folder, name, has, an, extra, pause, inserted, before, each.
Travis
On 9/2/2018 12:57 PM, Richard
Bartholomew wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Hi,
Â
Firstly,
no, JAWS doesn’t suffer from the same problem.Â
Â
Secondly,
though,I don’t find this slowness either with NVDA – I don’t
use NVDA constantly so maybe it is only after it has been
running for a long time that the problem arises. However,
I’ve just spent 15 minutes going through my various drives
and folders with absolutely no slow down at all – one of the
folders had in excess of 1,000 subfolders and it was as
quick as one which only had one or two in it!
Â
The
only other thing I can think of is that, possibly, it may be
an add-on which is causing this? The reason I put this out
is that I have very, very few add-ons installed!
Â
Good
luck with identifying where the problem is and on fixing it.
Â
Oh
yes, and I’m using the latest version of Windows 10 64-bit
along with the latest stable version of NVDA.
Â
Cheers
Richard
Bartholomew
Â
Â
Â
Others
who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if
my memory is correct. As I recall, this is the result of
UIA, a system used much more in Windows 10 to communicate
with screen-readers. I don't think you can do anything
about it, as I recall what I've seen discussed here,
though I may have found a partial work around. I don't
use Windows 10 so you can see. I'll explain it after the
rest of my general comments. I wonder if JAWS has the
same problem. Others who know more technically may
comment on whether this is a Microsoft problem or if it
will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve it.Â
I'm
giving desktop layout commands:
Move
into the folder where you want to find a file. Instead of
down arrowing, move through each item as though it were
its own object, which it is. The command to move by
object down the screen is numpad insert numpad 6. Keep
holding insert and pressing six to move through the list.Â
To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4. When
you want to open something, it will not be selected. use
the command numpad insert numpad enter. Execute the
command twice, once to select the item, once to open it.Â
You are doing what a mouse user does when he/she double
clicks an item. You aren't using a mouse but you are
first selecting, then taking an action, in this case
opening it, which is the same sequence a mouse user
follows.
-----
Original Message -----
Sent:
Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM
Subject:
[nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness
Since asking
this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I
sent to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.
First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File
Explore now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7
installation.
What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving
around through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a
half second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with
the
backspace.
First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and
ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.
Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating
files and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and
animations turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time.
Starting and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems
to make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then
things
get more and more sluggish again.
In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see
if it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness
I had in
Windows 7.
If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
Travis
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Ok, done. We'll see over time how that goes. Thanks.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 9/2/2018 12:58 PM, Rob Hudson wrote: Richard Bartholomew <rlbart53@...> wrote:
Secondly, though,I don’t find this slowness either with NVDA – I don’t use NVDA constantly so maybe it is only after it has been running for a long time that the problem arises. However, I’ve just spent 15 minutes going through my various drives and folders with absolutely no slow down at all – one of the folders had in excess of 1,000 subfolders and it was as quick as one which only had one or two in it! One cause of the slowness has been linked to having the preview pain turned on while running file explorer. Press alt+v and look through the view ribbon to determine the pane's state.
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Your doubt is confirmed. I wasn't sure that it would work, but I
tried to be sure.
On 9/2/2018 1:18 PM, Gene wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
I doubt it. It may vary from
machine to machine for unknown reasons. I think that if it
were an add on, in the past discussions I've seen, that would
have very likely been discovered as the problem was discussed
and people tried various possible solutions. I remember no
such correllation. There's no harm in running NVDA with all
add-ons disabled to find out but I'm very doubtful.
Â
Gene
----- Original
Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file
explorer sluggishness
Hi,
Â
Firstly,
no, JAWS doesn’t suffer from the same problem.Â
Â
Secondly,
though,I don’t find this slowness either with NVDA – I don’t
use NVDA constantly so maybe it is only after it has been
running for a long time that the problem arises. However,
I’ve just spent 15 minutes going through my various drives
and folders with absolutely no slow down at all – one of the
folders had in excess of 1,000 subfolders and it was as
quick as one which only had one or two in it!
Â
The
only other thing I can think of is that, possibly, it may be
an add-on which is causing this? The reason I put this out
is that I have very, very few add-ons installed!
Â
Good
luck with identifying where the problem is and on fixing it.
Â
Oh
yes, and I’m using the latest version of Windows 10 64-bit
along with the latest stable version of NVDA.
Â
Cheers
Richard
Bartholomew
Â
Â
Â
Others who use
Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my
memory is correct. As I recall, this is the result of
UIA, a system used much more in Windows 10 to communicate
with screen-readers. I don't think you can do anything
about it, as I recall what I've seen discussed here,
though I may have found a partial work around. I don't
use Windows 10 so you can see. I'll explain it after the
rest of my general comments. I wonder if JAWS has the
same problem. Others who know more technically may
comment on whether this is a Microsoft problem or if it
will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve it.Â
I'm giving desktop
layout commands:
Move into the folder
where you want to find a file. Instead of down arrowing,
move through each item as though it were its own object,
which it is. The command to move by object down the
screen is numpad insert numpad 6. Keep holding insert and
pressing six to move through the list. To move back, the
command is numpad insert numpad 4. When you want to open
something, it will not be selected. use the command
numpad insert numpad enter. Execute the command twice,
once to select the item, once to open it. You are doing
what a mouse user does when he/she double clicks an item.Â
You aren't using a mouse but you are first selecting, then
taking an action, in this case opening it, which is the
same sequence a mouse user follows.
----- Original
Message -----
Sent: Sunday,
September 02, 2018 1:02 PM
Subject: [nvda] Windows
10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness
Since asking
this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I
sent to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.
First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File
Explore now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7
installation.
What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving
around through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a
half second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with
the
backspace.
First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and
ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.
Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating
files and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and
animations turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time.
Starting and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems
to make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then
things
get more and more sluggish again.
In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see
if it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness
I had in
Windows 7.
If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
Travis
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Thank you Tyler. That's an answer that makes sense to me.
"This might break reading of background progress bars, but that's a small price to pay for a working system."
I'd be ok with that, a small price as you say.
People with System Access seem to be fine as well.
Travis
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 9/2/2018 1:19 PM, Tyler Spivey wrote: The fault lies with both Microsoft and NVDA. As far as I understand it, here's the issue. With UIA, you can tell it which events you want to be notified about, and for which windows. NVDA decided that it was going to listen to certain events from every window on the system, and not just the one that had the focus. That doesn't sound too bad, until... If another application on the system isn't responding fast enough, UIA stops notifying NVDA of events if NVDA is listening to certain properties of that window (I think it was name and value change).
I'll lay out a simple, real-world example: 1. I start uploading a file in WinSCP. 2. I switch away from WinSCP into File Explorer. I guess WinSCP doesn't respond fast enough to UIA, so UIA decides not to send NVDA events for anything anymore. From then on, until that upload finishes or I close WinSCP, my File Explorer won't read properly, nor will alt+tab or anything else that depends on UIA. This particular example isn't as bad as I thought, but my UIA does stop responding for a few seconds at a time, and it's definitely noticeable.
I've heard that the next version of Windows 10 tries to fix this. However, if NVDA simply listened to events from the currently running application, I think this would be a much less severe problem. This might break reading of background progress bars, but that's a small price to pay for a working system. Also, JAWS and Narrator don't have this problem, only NVDA. For more info, see issue 8535 and its linked issues: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8535
On 9/2/2018 12:57 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:
Hi,
Firstly, no, JAWS doesn’t suffer from the same problem.
Secondly, though,I don’t find this slowness either with NVDA – I don’t use NVDA constantly so maybe it is only after it has been running for a long time that the problem arises. However, I’ve just spent 15 minutes going through my various drives and folders with absolutely no slow down at all – one of the folders had in excess of 1,000 subfolders and it was as quick as one which only had one or two in it!
The only other thing I can think of is that, possibly, it may be an add-on which is causing this? The reason I put this out is that I have very, very few add-ons installed!
Good luck with identifying where the problem is and on fixing it.
Oh yes, and I’m using the latest version of Windows 10 64-bit along with the latest stable version of NVDA.
Cheers
Richard Bartholomew
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene *Sent:* 02 September 2018 20:25 *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness
Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my memory is correct. As I recall, this is the result of UIA, a system used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers. I don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen discussed here, though I may have found a partial work around. I don't use Windows 10 so you can see. I'll explain it after the rest of my general comments. I wonder if JAWS has the same problem. Others who know more technically may comment on whether this is a Microsoft problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve it.
Try this:
I'm giving desktop layout commands:
Move into the folder where you want to find a file. Instead of down arrowing, move through each item as though it were its own object, which it is. The command to move by object down the screen is numpad insert numpad 6. Keep holding insert and pressing six to move through the list. To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4. When you want to open something, it will not be selected. use the command numpad insert numpad enter. Execute the command twice, once to select the item, once to open it. You are doing what a mouse user does when he/she double clicks an item. You aren't using a mouse but you are first selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which is the same sequence a mouse user follows.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Kwork <mailto:istherelife@...>
*Sent:*Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*[nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness
Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the other list with an additional NVDA question.
First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.
What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the backspace.
First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.
Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things get more and more sluggish again.
In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in Windows 7.
If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
Travis
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Yeah--I was gonna suggest that. :).
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 9/2/18, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote: Hmm, maybe it's time to remember and take my own advice that I gave Jackie the other day that helped resolve her Firefox selection problem. I didn't think of add-ons
Whether it works, what Gene advised is working better than how I was doing things. It, just, gets, old, when, each, file, and, folder, name, has, an, extra, pause, inserted, before, each.
Travis
On 9/2/2018 12:57 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:
Hi,
Firstly, no, JAWS doesn’t suffer from the same problem.
Secondly, though,I don’t find this slowness either with NVDA – I don’t use NVDA constantly so maybe it is only after it has been running for a long time that the problem arises. However, I’ve just spent 15 minutes going through my various drives and folders with absolutely no slow down at all – one of the folders had in excess of 1,000 subfolders and it was as quick as one which only had one or two in it!
The only other thing I can think of is that, possibly, it may be an add-on which is causing this? The reason I put this out is that I have very, very few add-ons installed!
Good luck with identifying where the problem is and on fixing it.
Oh yes, and I’m using the latest version of Windows 10 64-bit along with the latest stable version of NVDA.
Cheers
Richard Bartholomew
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene *Sent:* 02 September 2018 20:25 *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness
Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my memory is correct. As I recall, this is the result of UIA, a system used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers. I don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen discussed here, though I may have found a partial work around. I don't use Windows 10 so you can see. I'll explain it after the rest of my general comments. I wonder if JAWS has the same problem. Others who know more technically may comment on whether this is a Microsoft problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve it.
Try this:
I'm giving desktop layout commands:
Move into the folder where you want to find a file. Instead of down arrowing, move through each item as though it were its own object, which it is. The command to move by object down the screen is numpad insert numpad 6. Keep holding insert and pressing six to move through the list. To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4. When you want to open something, it will not be selected. use the command numpad insert numpad enter. Execute the command twice, once to select the item, once to open it. You are doing what a mouse user does when he/she double clicks an item. You aren't using a mouse but you are first selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which is the same sequence a mouse user follows.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Kwork <mailto:istherelife@...>
*Sent:*Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*[nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness
Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the other list with an additional NVDA question.
First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.
What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the backspace.
First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.
Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things get more and more sluggish again.
In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in Windows 7.
If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
Travis
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Virtual Memory is not RAM, it is storage space allotted on
the hard drive which is used for swapping programs in and out of
RAM.
Dan Beaver
On 9/2/2018 3:37 PM, Gene wrote:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
This may be referring to the amount of virtual memory.Â
Absolutely not the cause of the problem. If you had so little
RAM in the computer that you couldn't even down arrow through a
files and folders list, you couldn't run any programs except so
slowly you wouldn't use the machine.
Â
Gene----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file
explorer sluggishness
Both thoughts to consider. Thanks. I wouldn't know where to go
looking for the virtual storage setting.
On 9/2/2018 11:17 AM, Dan Beaver
wrote:
HI,
I hate to suggest this because I would hope that this
kind of thing has been eliminated since I last did software
development.
It sounds to me that what you are experiencing is like
what used to happen when a program had a memory leak. As
time went by and more and more events happened memory would
fill up and things would slow down.
I would expect that if this were the case many more of us
would be seeing this behavior too but so far it doesn't
sound like there are very many.
Is this possible?
Another thought is that have you checked to make sure the
virtual storage setting is high enough on your system? This
used to happen if virtual storage was set too low. Sorry, it
has been too long since I last worked with virtual storage and
I can't seem to find where this setting is on Windows 10.Â
Maybe someone else on here can suggest how to find it.
I hope this helps.
Dan Beaver
On 9/2/2018 2:02 PM, Kwork wrote:
Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was
also suggested that I ask more NVDA users here, so am copying
below the message I sent to the other list with an additional
NVDA question.
First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File
Explore now uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former
Windows 7 installation.
What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving
around through files and folders. There seems to be between a
quarter and a half second delay after each press of the arrow
and enter keys. Same with the backspace.
First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and
ribbons, or am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.
Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating
files and folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals
and animations turned off. The sluggishness remains, and
increases over time. Starting and stopping the "Windows
Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make things less
slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things get
more and more sluggish again.
In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see
if it would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the
snappiness I had in Windows 7.
If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
Travis
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I don't use Windows 10. Nothing is selected
when I move by object and I have to use two issuances, as I said. I can
use the command once on a web page on a link or control on the page but in a
list like this, where something must be selected, I have to use two
commands.
Â
Gene
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer
sluggishness
Actually, that works, and does make looking through snappier for sure. If a
large folder, I'll press the letter where I need to go that'll be close to the
file name, then use what you described to get there.
One slight correction to your instructions, and it's slight: numpad enter
once both selects the folder/file entry and opens it. I also thought it
would take two to go through the selection and activation process. It scared me
when a file started playing immediately. LOL!
Travis
On 9/2/2018 12:25 PM, Gene wrote:
Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and
we will see if my memory is correct. As I recall, this is the result of
UIA, a system used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with
screen-readers. I don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall
what I've seen discussed here, though I may have found a partial work
around. I don't use Windows 10 so you can see. I'll explain it
after the rest of my general comments. I wonder if JAWS has the same
problem. Others who know more technically may comment on whether this is
a Microsoft problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to
solve it.Â
Â
Try this:
I'm giving desktop layout commands:
Move into the folder where you want to find a
file. Instead of down arrowing, move through each item as though it were
its own object, which it is. The command to move by object down the
screen is numpad insert numpad 6. Keep holding insert and pressing six
to move through the list. To move back, the command is numpad insert
numpad 4. When you want to open something, it will not be
selected. use the command numpad insert numpad enter. Execute the
command twice, once to select the item, once to open it. You are doing
what a mouse user does when he/she double clicks an item. You aren't
using a mouse but you are first selecting, then taking an action, in this case
opening it, which is the same sequence a mouse user follows.
Â
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer
sluggishness
Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested
that I ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to
the other list with an additional NVDA question.
First of all,
I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now uses ribbons
rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.
What's
bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through files and
folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second delay after
each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the
backspace.
First question: is there a way to toggle between folders
and ribbons, or am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be
stuck.
Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating
files and folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations
turned off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting
and stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things
get more and more sluggish again.
In addition, is there anything in
NVDA that I can check to see if it would help in the new sluggishness? I
just miss the snappiness I had in Windows 7.
If anyone knows
what I can do, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks.
Travis
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I didn't say ram is virtual memory. I said
that if you have so little ram, which is real memory though I didn't specify
that, I assumed people knew, that virtual memory must be used when arrowing
through a list of files and folders, the machine would be so slow that you
wouldn't use it. In other words, it is so unlikely that anyone would
be using a machine with that little ram, that such a cause can be dismissed as
completely not the case. If it were, if virtual memory were used for almost
everything, the machine would be so slow that no one would use it, as I
said. Â
Â
Also, virtual memory is only
used when there isn't enough ram. If there isn't enough ram, programs not
in use are kept in virtual memory then swapped into ram when they are
used. And if there isn't enough memory to run a program you are running,
whatever can't fit into ram will be placed into virtual memory, thus
significantly slowing the performance of the program.Â
Â
Gene
----- Original Message
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Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer
sluggishness
Virtual Memory is not RAM, it is storage space allotted on the hard drive
which is used for swapping programs in and out of RAM.
Dan Beaver
On 9/2/2018 3:37 PM, Gene wrote:
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This may be referring to the amount of virtual memory. Absolutely
not the cause of the problem. If you had so little RAM in the computer
that you couldn't even down arrow through a files and folders list, you
couldn't run any programs except so slowly you wouldn't use the machine.
Â
Gene----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer
sluggishness
Both thoughts to consider. Thanks. I wouldn't know where to go looking for
the virtual storage setting.
On 9/2/2018 11:17 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:
HI,
I hate to suggest this because I would hope that this kind of thing
has been eliminated since I last did software development.
It sounds to me that what you are experiencing is like what used to
happen when a program had a memory leak. As time went by and more and
more events happened memory would fill up and things would slow
down.
I would expect that if this were the case many more of us would be
seeing this behavior too but so far it doesn't sound like there are very
many.
Is this possible?
Another thought is that have you checked to make sure the virtual storage
setting is high enough on your system? This used to happen if virtual
storage was set too low. Sorry, it has been too long since I last
worked with virtual storage and I can't seem to find where this setting is
on Windows 10. Maybe someone else on here can suggest how to find
it.
I hope this helps.
Dan Beaver
On 9/2/2018 2:02 PM, Kwork wrote:
Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also
suggested that I ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message
I sent to the other list with an additional NVDA question.
First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File
Explore now uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7
installation.
What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when
moving around through files and folders. There seems to be between a
quarter and a half second delay after each press of the arrow and enter
keys. Same with the backspace.
First question: is there a way to
toggle between folders and ribbons, or am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer
to be stuck.
Next, is there a way to speed up movement through
navigating files and folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and
animations turned off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time.
Starting and stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems
to make things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then
things get more and more sluggish again.
In addition, is there
anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it would help in the new
sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in Windows 7.
If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
Travis
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