NVDA and FireFox Update


David Russell
 

Hello Group Mem bers,

I believe I received a legitamate Firefox update today and did a full
virus scan via MS Security Essentials to ensure things as much as
possible. Yet I am suspicious but made changes in my options settings
so updates would be by choice rather than automatic. How do I go
about getting back full NVDA function so when I backspace I hear the
letters I am spacing over? Some of the punctuation keys like , - . do
not speak when pressed. Thanks.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...
"chilah phanim" Make G-d smile!


Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Hmm. Never had this problem What I do David is in the options for FF I choose to notify me, but let me choose when to update instead of doing automatically. I don’t think you have to go through all that rigamarole with Windows Security assuming you are running WIN 10.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 5:17:48 PM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update
 
Hello Group Mem bers,

I believe I received a legitamate Firefox update today and did a full
virus scan via MS Security Essentials to ensure things as much as
possible. Yet I am suspicious but made changes in my options settings
so updates would be by choice rather than automatic. How do   I go
about getting back full NVDA function so when I backspace I hear the
letters I am spacing over? Some of the punctuation keys like , - . do
not speak when pressed. Thanks.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...
"chilah phanim" Make G-d smile!




Gene
 

In a previous message, you said you got it while on a web site.  How did you get it?  Did Firefox itself show you information or was there a web page telling you to update?  What did the message say?  I have no idea if it is a legitimate update but maybe with more specific information, it can be determined
Was the message the same as with previous updates?
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 4:17 PM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

Hello Group Mem bers,

I believe I received a legitamate Firefox update today and did a full
virus scan via MS Security Essentials to ensure things as much as
possible. Yet I am suspicious but made changes in my options settings
so updates would be by choice rather than automatic. How do   I go
about getting back full NVDA function so when I backspace I hear the
letters I am spacing over? Some of the punctuation keys like , - . do
not speak when pressed. Thanks.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...
"chilah phanim" Make G-d smile!



 

Well probably not, firefox has something called mozilla update service, and most likely it just got it, it can do this without a user having to do anything you wouldn't notice, one day you would be online, you close the brouser you open it and bang either you get a message its updating or maybe its all running by itself and its going.

On 9/6/2018 10:13 AM, Gene wrote:
In a previous message, you said you got it while on a web site. How did you get it? Did Firefox itself show you information or was there a web page telling you to update? What did the message say? I have no idea if it is a legitimate update but maybe with more specific information, it can be determined

Was the message the same as with previous updates?

Gene
----- Original message -----
From: David Russell
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 4:17 PM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update


Hello Group Mem bers,

I believe I received a legitamate Firefox update today and did a full
virus scan via MS Security Essentials to ensure things as much as
possible. Yet I am suspicious but made changes in my options settings
so updates would be by choice rather than automatic. How do I go
about getting back full NVDA function so when I backspace I hear the
letters I am spacing over? Some of the punctuation keys like , - . do
not speak when pressed. Thanks.


Gene
 

I manually update firefox so I don't recall, from a long time ago, what happens when it automatically updates.  Does it just happen and you are asked to reboot when it is finished?  We need to know what happended in this case and what should happen. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

Well probably not, firefox has something called mozilla update service,
and most likely it just got it, it can do this without a user having to
do anything you wouldn't notice, one day you would be online, you close
the brouser you open it and bang either you get a message its updating
or maybe its all running by itself and its going.



On 9/6/2018 10:13 AM, Gene wrote:
> In a previous message, you said you got it while on a web site.  How did you get it?  Did Firefox itself show you information or was there a web page telling you to update?  What did the message say?  I have no idea if it is a legitimate update but maybe with more specific information, it can be determined
>
> Was the message the same as with previous updates?
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
> From: David Russell
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 4:17 PM
> To: nvda
> Subject: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update
>
>
> Hello Group Mem bers,
>
> I believe I received a legitamate Firefox update today and did a full
> virus scan via MS Security Essentials to ensure things as much as
> possible. Yet I am suspicious but made changes in my options settings
> so updates would be by choice rather than automatic. How do   I go
> about getting back full NVDA function so when I backspace I hear the
> letters I am spacing over? Some of the punctuation keys like , - . do
> not speak when pressed. Thanks.
>



Kwork
 

If you leave Firefox at the default update setting, the way you'll know it's updating from a screenreader perspective is on a restart. As the program opens, it'll say updating, then restart. I have it turned off so I can update when I choose.

On 9/5/2018 3:47 PM, Gene wrote:
I manually update firefox so I don't recall, from a long time ago, what happens when it automatically updates.  Does it just happen and you are asked to reboot when it is finished?  We need to know what happended in this case and what should happen. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

Well probably not, firefox has something called mozilla update service,
and most likely it just got it, it can do this without a user having to
do anything you wouldn't notice, one day you would be online, you close
the brouser you open it and bang either you get a message its updating
or maybe its all running by itself and its going.



On 9/6/2018 10:13 AM, Gene wrote:
> In a previous message, you said you got it while on a web site.  How did you get it?  Did Firefox itself show you information or was there a web page telling you to update?  What did the message say?  I have no idea if it is a legitimate update but maybe with more specific information, it can be determined
>
> Was the message the same as with previous updates?
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
> From: David Russell
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 4:17 PM
> To: nvda
> Subject: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update
>
>
> Hello Group Mem bers,
>
> I believe I received a legitamate Firefox update today and did a full
> virus scan via MS Security Essentials to ensure things as much as
> possible. Yet I am suspicious but made changes in my options settings
> so updates would be by choice rather than automatic. How do   I go
> about getting back full NVDA function so when I backspace I hear the
> letters I am spacing over? Some of the punctuation keys like , - . do
> not speak when pressed. Thanks.
>



Gene
 

So assuming the person who asked the question was using the defaults, third party advertising on the site had been hacked and showed a milicious update that wasn't an update at all.  But we'll have to know more before drawing any  conclusion. 
 
I'm not trying to worry the person but if that is the case, he should thoroughly check or have his machine checked for malware.
 
The site Dictionary.com is a reputable site but third party hacked advertising is becoming increasingly common.  It's so common that it was written about as a serious threat in the New York Times two or three months ago.  and there may be a hacked advertisement on that site now.
 
Which is why people should use an ad blocker or for even better protection, block scripts.  But an ad blocker should protect you from most such threats.
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

If you leave Firefox at the default update setting, the way you'll know it's updating from a screenreader perspective is on a restart. As the program opens, it'll say updating, then restart. I have it turned off so I can update when I choose.

On 9/5/2018 3:47 PM, Gene wrote:
I manually update firefox so I don't recall, from a long time ago, what happens when it automatically updates.  Does it just happen and you are asked to reboot when it is finished?  We need to know what happended in this case and what should happen. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

Well probably not, firefox has something called mozilla update service,
and most likely it just got it, it can do this without a user having to
do anything you wouldn't notice, one day you would be online, you close
the brouser you open it and bang either you get a message its updating
or maybe its all running by itself and its going.



On 9/6/2018 10:13 AM, Gene wrote:
> In a previous message, you said you got it while on a web site.  How did you get it?  Did Firefox itself show you information or was there a web page telling you to update?  What did the message say?  I have no idea if it is a legitimate update but maybe with more specific information, it can be determined
>
> Was the message the same as with previous updates?
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
> From: David Russell
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 4:17 PM
> To: nvda
> Subject: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update
>
>
> Hello Group Mem bers,
>
> I believe I received a legitamate Firefox update today and did a full
> virus scan via MS Security Essentials to ensure things as much as
> possible. Yet I am suspicious but made changes in my options settings
> so updates would be by choice rather than automatic. How do   I go
> about getting back full NVDA function so when I backspace I hear the
> letters I am spacing over? Some of the punctuation keys like , - . do
> not speak when pressed. Thanks.
>



Don H
 

Just checked for firefox updates and got a update to version 62.0 64 bit. 

On 9/5/2018 6:37 PM, Gene wrote:
So assuming the person who asked the question was using the defaults, third party advertising on the site had been hacked and showed a milicious update that wasn't an update at all.  But we'll have to know more before drawing any  conclusion. 
 
I'm not trying to worry the person but if that is the case, he should thoroughly check or have his machine checked for malware.
 
The site Dictionary.com is a reputable site but third party hacked advertising is becoming increasingly common.  It's so common that it was written about as a serious threat in the New York Times two or three months ago.  and there may be a hacked advertisement on that site now.
 
Which is why people should use an ad blocker or for even better protection, block scripts.  But an ad blocker should protect you from most such threats.
 
Gene
----- Original message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

If you leave Firefox at the default update setting, the way you'll know it's updating from a screenreader perspective is on a restart. As the program opens, it'll say updating, then restart. I have it turned off so I can update when I choose.

On 9/5/2018 3:47 PM, Gene wrote:
I manually update firefox so I don't recall, from a long time ago, what happens when it automatically updates.  Does it just happen and you are asked to reboot when it is finished?  We need to know what happended in this case and what should happen. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

Well probably not, firefox has something called mozilla update service,
and most likely it just got it, it can do this without a user having to
do anything you wouldn't notice, one day you would be online, you close
the brouser you open it and bang either you get a message its updating
or maybe its all running by itself and its going.



On 9/6/2018 10:13 AM, Gene wrote:
> In a previous message, you said you got it while on a web site.  How did you get it?  Did Firefox itself show you information or was there a web page telling you to update?  What did the message say?  I have no idea if it is a legitimate update but maybe with more specific information, it can be determined
>
> Was the message the same as with previous updates?
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
> From: David Russell
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 4:17 PM
> To: nvda
> Subject: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update
>
>
> Hello Group Mem bers,
>
> I believe I received a legitamate Firefox update today and did a full
> virus scan via MS Security Essentials to ensure things as much as
> possible. Yet I am suspicious but made changes in my options settings
> so updates would be by choice rather than automatic. How do   I go
> about getting back full NVDA function so when I backspace I hear the
> letters I am spacing over? Some of the punctuation keys like , - . do
> not speak when pressed. Thanks.
>



Gene
 

I didn't say there wasn't an update.  I'm saying that the person with the initial question said it came while on a web site or from the web site or something like that.  I should have said in my last message that it appears the site had hacked third party advertising.  But we don't know just what the person saw when the update occurred nor where it was seen.  We'll have to get more information.  But based on what was said, it sounds as though the update appeared to be the web site telling him there is one which would never happen if it was legitimate.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

Just checked for firefox updates and got a update to version 62.0 64 bit. 

On 9/5/2018 6:37 PM, Gene wrote:
So assuming the person who asked the question was using the defaults, third party advertising on the site had been hacked and showed a milicious update that wasn't an update at all.  But we'll have to know more before drawing any  conclusion. 
 
I'm not trying to worry the person but if that is the case, he should thoroughly check or have his machine checked for malware.
 
The site Dictionary.com is a reputable site but third party hacked advertising is becoming increasingly common.  It's so common that it was written about as a serious threat in the New York Times two or three months ago.  and there may be a hacked advertisement on that site now.
 
Which is why people should use an ad blocker or for even better protection, block scripts.  But an ad blocker should protect you from most such threats.
 
Gene
----- Original message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

If you leave Firefox at the default update setting, the way you'll know it's updating from a screenreader perspective is on a restart. As the program opens, it'll say updating, then restart. I have it turned off so I can update when I choose.

On 9/5/2018 3:47 PM, Gene wrote:
I manually update firefox so I don't recall, from a long time ago, what happens when it automatically updates.  Does it just happen and you are asked to reboot when it is finished?  We need to know what happended in this case and what should happen. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

Well probably not, firefox has something called mozilla update service,
and most likely it just got it, it can do this without a user having to
do anything you wouldn't notice, one day you would be online, you close
the brouser you open it and bang either you get a message its updating
or maybe its all running by itself and its going.



On 9/6/2018 10:13 AM, Gene wrote:
> In a previous message, you said you got it while on a web site.  How did you get it?  Did Firefox itself show you information or was there a web page telling you to update?  What did the message say?  I have no idea if it is a legitimate update but maybe with more specific information, it can be determined
>
> Was the message the same as with previous updates?
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
> From: David Russell
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 4:17 PM
> To: nvda
> Subject: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update
>
>
> Hello Group Mem bers,
>
> I believe I received a legitamate Firefox update today and did a full
> virus scan via MS Security Essentials to ensure things as much as
> possible. Yet I am suspicious but made changes in my options settings
> so updates would be by choice rather than automatic. How do   I go
> about getting back full NVDA function so when I backspace I hear the
> letters I am spacing over? Some of the punctuation keys like , - . do
> not speak when pressed. Thanks.
>



Don H
 

I know you did not say there was not a update just saying there is a update out there which this person encountered.  I have found it a good practice to never do a update that pops up while browsing.  Always update through the normal update process for what ever needs updating.  I think I am agreeing with Gen here, least I think I was.  

On 9/5/2018 7:05 PM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say there wasn't an update.  I'm saying that the person with the initial question said it came while on a web site or from the web site or something like that.  I should have said in my last message that it appears the site had hacked third party advertising.  But we don't know just what the person saw when the update occurred nor where it was seen.  We'll have to get more information.  But based on what was said, it sounds as though the update appeared to be the web site telling him there is one which would never happen if it was legitimate.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

Just checked for firefox updates and got a update to version 62.0 64 bit. 

On 9/5/2018 6:37 PM, Gene wrote:
So assuming the person who asked the question was using the defaults, third party advertising on the site had been hacked and showed a milicious update that wasn't an update at all.  But we'll have to know more before drawing any  conclusion. 
 
I'm not trying to worry the person but if that is the case, he should thoroughly check or have his machine checked for malware.
 
The site Dictionary.com is a reputable site but third party hacked advertising is becoming increasingly common.  It's so common that it was written about as a serious threat in the New York Times two or three months ago.  and there may be a hacked advertisement on that site now.
 
Which is why people should use an ad blocker or for even better protection, block scripts.  But an ad blocker should protect you from most such threats.
 
Gene
----- Original message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

If you leave Firefox at the default update setting, the way you'll know it's updating from a screenreader perspective is on a restart. As the program opens, it'll say updating, then restart. I have it turned off so I can update when I choose.

On 9/5/2018 3:47 PM, Gene wrote:
I manually update firefox so I don't recall, from a long time ago, what happens when it automatically updates.  Does it just happen and you are asked to reboot when it is finished?  We need to know what happended in this case and what should happen. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

Well probably not, firefox has something called mozilla update service,
and most likely it just got it, it can do this without a user having to
do anything you wouldn't notice, one day you would be online, you close
the brouser you open it and bang either you get a message its updating
or maybe its all running by itself and its going.



On 9/6/2018 10:13 AM, Gene wrote:
> In a previous message, you said you got it while on a web site.  How did you get it?  Did Firefox itself show you information or was there a web page telling you to update?  What did the message say?  I have no idea if it is a legitimate update but maybe with more specific information, it can be determined
>
> Was the message the same as with previous updates?
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
> From: David Russell
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 4:17 PM
> To: nvda
> Subject: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update
>
>
> Hello Group Mem bers,
>
> I believe I received a legitamate Firefox update today and did a full
> virus scan via MS Security Essentials to ensure things as much as
> possible. Yet I am suspicious but made changes in my options settings
> so updates would be by choice rather than automatic. How do   I go
> about getting back full NVDA function so when I backspace I hear the
> letters I am spacing over? Some of the punctuation keys like , - . do
> not speak when pressed. Thanks.
>



Gene
 

Yes, you are agreeing.  If you have Firefox set to notify you if an update is available but not automatically install it, you will receive a message that an update is available.  But it won't be on or appear to be on the web page.  It's been a long time since I had my browser set to notify me and I don't remember just what happened but I think it was a dialog.  Which is why I say we need more information about what was seen? 
 
And we need to know whether the default was being used regarding updates.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

I know you did not say there was not a update just saying there is a update out there which this person encountered.  I have found it a good practice to never do a update that pops up while browsing.  Always update through the normal update process for what ever needs updating.  I think I am agreeing with Gen here, least I think I was.  

On 9/5/2018 7:05 PM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say there wasn't an update.  I'm saying that the person with the initial question said it came while on a web site or from the web site or something like that.  I should have said in my last message that it appears the site had hacked third party advertising.  But we don't know just what the person saw when the update occurred nor where it was seen.  We'll have to get more information.  But based on what was said, it sounds as though the update appeared to be the web site telling him there is one which would never happen if it was legitimate.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

Just checked for firefox updates and got a update to version 62.0 64 bit. 

On 9/5/2018 6:37 PM, Gene wrote:
So assuming the person who asked the question was using the defaults, third party advertising on the site had been hacked and showed a milicious update that wasn't an update at all.  But we'll have to know more before drawing any  conclusion. 
 
I'm not trying to worry the person but if that is the case, he should thoroughly check or have his machine checked for malware.
 
The site Dictionary.com is a reputable site but third party hacked advertising is becoming increasingly common.  It's so common that it was written about as a serious threat in the New York Times two or three months ago.  and there may be a hacked advertisement on that site now.
 
Which is why people should use an ad blocker or for even better protection, block scripts.  But an ad blocker should protect you from most such threats.
 
Gene
----- Original message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

If you leave Firefox at the default update setting, the way you'll know it's updating from a screenreader perspective is on a restart. As the program opens, it'll say updating, then restart. I have it turned off so I can update when I choose.

On 9/5/2018 3:47 PM, Gene wrote:
I manually update firefox so I don't recall, from a long time ago, what happens when it automatically updates.  Does it just happen and you are asked to reboot when it is finished?  We need to know what happended in this case and what should happen. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

Well probably not, firefox has something called mozilla update service,
and most likely it just got it, it can do this without a user having to
do anything you wouldn't notice, one day you would be online, you close
the brouser you open it and bang either you get a message its updating
or maybe its all running by itself and its going.



On 9/6/2018 10:13 AM, Gene wrote:
> In a previous message, you said you got it while on a web site.  How did you get it?  Did Firefox itself show you information or was there a web page telling you to update?  What did the message say?  I have no idea if it is a legitimate update but maybe with more specific information, it can be determined
>
> Was the message the same as with previous updates?
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
> From: David Russell
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 4:17 PM
> To: nvda
> Subject: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update
>
>
> Hello Group Mem bers,
>
> I believe I received a legitamate Firefox update today and did a full
> virus scan via MS Security Essentials to ensure things as much as
> possible. Yet I am suspicious but made changes in my options settings
> so updates would be by choice rather than automatic. How do   I go
> about getting back full NVDA function so when I backspace I hear the
> letters I am spacing over? Some of the punctuation keys like , - . do
> not speak when pressed. Thanks.
>



Kwork
 

On the desktop version, updates are never done through the website, but only through the program, so if he was sent to a website to download the update, then it is probably a hack. Even if you have updates set to off, checking manually still results in Firefox updating itself through the program itself.

I don't know about portable versions as I never let them update, choosing to download a new instance and putting it in its own folder in case I do prefer the previous version for a time. That's why I still have my v52 ESR for older extensions such as Webvisum.

Travis

On 9/5/2018 5:05 PM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say there wasn't an update.  I'm saying that the person with the initial question said it came while on a web site or from the web site or something like that.  I should have said in my last message that it appears the site had hacked third party advertising.  But we don't know just what the person saw when the update occurred nor where it was seen.  We'll have to get more information.  But based on what was said, it sounds as though the update appeared to be the web site telling him there is one which would never happen if it was legitimate.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

Just checked for firefox updates and got a update to version 62.0 64 bit. 

On 9/5/2018 6:37 PM, Gene wrote:
So assuming the person who asked the question was using the defaults, third party advertising on the site had been hacked and showed a milicious update that wasn't an update at all.  But we'll have to know more before drawing any  conclusion. 
 
I'm not trying to worry the person but if that is the case, he should thoroughly check or have his machine checked for malware.
 
The site Dictionary.com is a reputable site but third party hacked advertising is becoming increasingly common.  It's so common that it was written about as a serious threat in the New York Times two or three months ago.  and there may be a hacked advertisement on that site now.
 
Which is why people should use an ad blocker or for even better protection, block scripts.  But an ad blocker should protect you from most such threats.
 
Gene
----- Original message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

If you leave Firefox at the default update setting, the way you'll know it's updating from a screenreader perspective is on a restart. As the program opens, it'll say updating, then restart. I have it turned off so I can update when I choose.

On 9/5/2018 3:47 PM, Gene wrote:
I manually update firefox so I don't recall, from a long time ago, what happens when it automatically updates.  Does it just happen and you are asked to reboot when it is finished?  We need to know what happended in this case and what should happen. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

Well probably not, firefox has something called mozilla update service,
and most likely it just got it, it can do this without a user having to
do anything you wouldn't notice, one day you would be online, you close
the brouser you open it and bang either you get a message its updating
or maybe its all running by itself and its going.



On 9/6/2018 10:13 AM, Gene wrote:
> In a previous message, you said you got it while on a web site.  How did you get it?  Did Firefox itself show you information or was there a web page telling you to update?  What did the message say?  I have no idea if it is a legitimate update but maybe with more specific information, it can be determined
>
> Was the message the same as with previous updates?
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
> From: David Russell
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 4:17 PM
> To: nvda
> Subject: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update
>
>
> Hello Group Mem bers,
>
> I believe I received a legitamate Firefox update today and did a full
> virus scan via MS Security Essentials to ensure things as much as
> possible. Yet I am suspicious but made changes in my options settings
> so updates would be by choice rather than automatic. How do   I go
> about getting back full NVDA function so when I backspace I hear the
> letters I am spacing over? Some of the punctuation keys like , - . do
> not speak when pressed. Thanks.
>



Gene
 

It would be easier to make a copy of the portable version and then update the version you are using. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

On the desktop version, updates are never done through the website, but only through the program, so if he was sent to a website to download the update, then it is probably a hack. Even if you have updates set to off, checking manually still results in Firefox updating itself through the program itself.

I don't know about portable versions as I never let them update, choosing to download a new instance and putting it in its own folder in case I do prefer the previous version for a time. That's why I still have my v52 ESR for older extensions such as Webvisum.

Travis

On 9/5/2018 5:05 PM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say there wasn't an update.  I'm saying that the person with the initial question said it came while on a web site or from the web site or something like that.  I should have said in my last message that it appears the site had hacked third party advertising.  But we don't know just what the person saw when the update occurred nor where it was seen.  We'll have to get more information.  But based on what was said, it sounds as though the update appeared to be the web site telling him there is one which would never happen if it was legitimate.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

Just checked for firefox updates and got a update to version 62.0 64 bit. 

On 9/5/2018 6:37 PM, Gene wrote:
So assuming the person who asked the question was using the defaults, third party advertising on the site had been hacked and showed a milicious update that wasn't an update at all.  But we'll have to know more before drawing any  conclusion. 
 
I'm not trying to worry the person but if that is the case, he should thoroughly check or have his machine checked for malware.
 
The site Dictionary.com is a reputable site but third party hacked advertising is becoming increasingly common.  It's so common that it was written about as a serious threat in the New York Times two or three months ago.  and there may be a hacked advertisement on that site now.
 
Which is why people should use an ad blocker or for even better protection, block scripts.  But an ad blocker should protect you from most such threats.
 
Gene
----- Original message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

If you leave Firefox at the default update setting, the way you'll know it's updating from a screenreader perspective is on a restart. As the program opens, it'll say updating, then restart. I have it turned off so I can update when I choose.

On 9/5/2018 3:47 PM, Gene wrote:
I manually update firefox so I don't recall, from a long time ago, what happens when it automatically updates.  Does it just happen and you are asked to reboot when it is finished?  We need to know what happended in this case and what should happen. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

Well probably not, firefox has something called mozilla update service,
and most likely it just got it, it can do this without a user having to
do anything you wouldn't notice, one day you would be online, you close
the brouser you open it and bang either you get a message its updating
or maybe its all running by itself and its going.



On 9/6/2018 10:13 AM, Gene wrote:
> In a previous message, you said you got it while on a web site.  How did you get it?  Did Firefox itself show you information or was there a web page telling you to update?  What did the message say?  I have no idea if it is a legitimate update but maybe with more specific information, it can be determined
>
> Was the message the same as with previous updates?
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
> From: David Russell
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 4:17 PM
> To: nvda
> Subject: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update
>
>
> Hello Group Mem bers,
>
> I believe I received a legitamate Firefox update today and did a full
> virus scan via MS Security Essentials to ensure things as much as
> possible. Yet I am suspicious but made changes in my options settings
> so updates would be by choice rather than automatic. How do   I go
> about getting back full NVDA function so when I backspace I hear the
> letters I am spacing over? Some of the punctuation keys like , - . do
> not speak when pressed. Thanks.
>



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Well you will need to look at the nvda preferences I'd imagine and change things back to how you want them.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@...>
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 10:17 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update


Hello Group Mem bers,

I believe I received a legitamate Firefox update today and did a full
virus scan via MS Security Essentials to ensure things as much as
possible. Yet I am suspicious but made changes in my options settings
so updates would be by choice rather than automatic. How do I go
about getting back full NVDA function so when I backspace I hear the
letters I am spacing over? Some of the punctuation keys like , - . do
not speak when pressed. Thanks.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...
"chilah phanim" Make G-d smile!



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You are told it needs to restart to update and you do and it does.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update


I manually update firefox so I don't recall, from a long time ago, what happens when it automatically updates. Does it just happen and you are asked to reboot when it is finished? We need to know what happended in this case and what should happen.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 5:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update


Well probably not, firefox has something called mozilla update service,
and most likely it just got it, it can do this without a user having to
do anything you wouldn't notice, one day you would be online, you close
the brouser you open it and bang either you get a message its updating
or maybe its all running by itself and its going.



On 9/6/2018 10:13 AM, Gene wrote:
In a previous message, you said you got it while on a web site. How did you get it? Did Firefox itself show you information or was there a web page telling you to update? What did the message say? I have no idea if it is a legitimate update but maybe with more specific information, it can be determined

Was the message the same as with previous updates?

Gene
----- Original message -----
From: David Russell
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 4:17 PM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update


Hello Group Mem bers,

I believe I received a legitamate Firefox update today and did a full
virus scan via MS Security Essentials to ensure things as much as
possible. Yet I am suspicious but made changes in my options settings
so updates would be by choice rather than automatic. How do I go
about getting back full NVDA function so when I backspace I hear the
letters I am spacing over? Some of the punctuation keys like , - . do
not speak when pressed. Thanks.


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Increasingly though add blockers are stopping you getting onto web sites. Recently I have also found that embedded google calendars often fail if an add blocker is loaded, and you may need to change the default settings. Life should not have to be this complicated.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update


So assuming the person who asked the question was using the defaults, third party advertising on the site had been hacked and showed a milicious update that wasn't an update at all. But we'll have to know more before drawing any conclusion.

I'm not trying to worry the person but if that is the case, he should thoroughly check or have his machine checked for malware.

The site Dictionary.com is a reputable site but third party hacked advertising is becoming increasingly common. It's so common that it was written about as a serious threat in the New York Times two or three months ago. and there may be a hacked advertisement on that site now.

Which is why people should use an ad blocker or for even better protection, block scripts. But an ad blocker should protect you from most such threats.

Gene
----- Original message -----

From: Kwork
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 6:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update


If you leave Firefox at the default update setting, the way you'll know it's updating from a screenreader perspective is on a restart. As the program opens, it'll say updating, then restart. I have it turned off so I can update when I choose.

On 9/5/2018 3:47 PM, Gene wrote:

I manually update firefox so I don't recall, from a long time ago, what happens when it automatically updates. Does it just happen and you are asked to reboot when it is finished? We need to know what happended in this case and what should happen.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 5:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update


Well probably not, firefox has something called mozilla update service,
and most likely it just got it, it can do this without a user having to
do anything you wouldn't notice, one day you would be online, you close
the brouser you open it and bang either you get a message its updating
or maybe its all running by itself and its going.



On 9/6/2018 10:13 AM, Gene wrote:
> In a previous message, you said you got it while on a web site. How did you get it? Did Firefox itself show you information or was there a web page telling you to update? What did the message say? I have no idea if it is a legitimate update but maybe with more specific information, it can be determined
>
> Was the message the same as with previous updates?
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
> From: David Russell
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 4:17 PM
> To: nvda
> Subject: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update
>
>
> Hello Group Mem bers,
>
> I believe I received a legitamate Firefox update today and did a full
> virus scan via MS Security Essentials to ensure things as much as
> possible. Yet I am suspicious but made changes in my options settings
> so updates would be by choice rather than automatic. How do I go
> about getting back full NVDA function so when I backspace I hear the
> letters I am spacing over? Some of the punctuation keys like , - . do
> not speak when pressed. Thanks.
>


Davy Cuppens
 

Hi folks

I will tell you what the update is about.

A gang of legal belgian hackers found a leak in firefox so that mallicious stuff or people can get access to your e-mail accounts on your pc. They reported the issue to Mozilla which immediately has brought out a patch to close the leak.
Regards
Davy

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
From: David Russell
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 11:17 PM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and FireFox Update

Hello Group Mem bers,

I believe I received a legitamate Firefox update today and did a full
virus scan via MS Security Essentials to ensure things as much as
possible. Yet I am suspicious but made changes in my options settings
so updates would be by choice rather than automatic. How do I go
about getting back full NVDA function so when I backspace I hear the
letters I am spacing over? Some of the punctuation keys like , - . do
not speak when pressed. Thanks.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...
"chilah phanim" Make G-d smile!