Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard
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Rechell Schwartz <rechell_schwartz@...>
Hello,
I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external keyboard.
Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from the user’s guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay workaround or tips on this?
Thanks, Rechell Schwartz Guardian Life Insurance Companyn IT - BTS Group UI/UX (212)919-3853
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Rechell,
What is the make & model of the laptop? You should only need to switch to laptop layout if it's a smaller/older laptop that does not have a numberpad as part of the built-in keyboard. You also have the option of acquiring an external numberpad, and they're cheap and small, if you want some thing portable for travel and happen to have a laptop sans number pad on the keyboard. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance. Huge. We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors. ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)
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Hi, Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on laptop layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more sense (especially object navigation commands, but that’s a bit ahead of the story at the moment). Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I’m not mistaken, based on conversations we had so far, I think you’re having a conflict between an important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new screen reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the task at hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than keyboard layout. To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people how to use screen readers and commands. I’d argue that, sometimes it is better to let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives them access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader expert (or a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a counsellor willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits the context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the one offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for given situations (or simulations), but they won’t teach you how to become a good listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they’re teaching; becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and even if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews within their minds and souls). I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means to be an NVDA expert and influential add-on developer… Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard
Hello,
I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external keyboard.
Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from the user’s guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay workaround or tips on this?
Thanks, Rechell Schwartz Guardian Life Insurance Companyn IT - BTS Group UI/UX (212)919-3853
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Joseph,
Not that all you say is not true, but given the dearth of information we have about the actual hardware being used Ms. Schwartz may be putting the proverbial cart before the horse. I know a lot of folks who have laptops that, when using them "as though they were a desktop," elect to use and external keyboard (and mouse, where appropriate). In the case of some of my screen reader users (JAWS or NVDA) they simply presume that if they drop the external keyboard that they must switch to laptop keyboard layout. That is generally not the case unless one has a netbook, or similar, where the number pad is not a part of the keyboard. Since I know of relatively few people who have laptops smaller than a 15" screen, they generally have a number pad on their keyboard. I just wanted to point out that if the laptop has a number pad as part of its keyboard there is no need to go to laptop layout. I've never used laptop layout in either NVDA or JAWS and all I use are laptops with their native keyboards. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance. Huge. We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors. ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)
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Gene
Just get a USB numpad and you can use the desktop
layout, which you are using. I vigorously dislike the laptop layout.
The desktop layout has consistent patterns in its layout, the laptop layout has
a much less consistent layout.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 10:01 AM
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop
Keyboard Hello,
I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external keyboard.
Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from the user’s guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay workaround or tips on this?
Thanks, Rechell Schwartz Guardian Life Insurance Companyn IT - BTS Group UI/UX (212)919-3853
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Hi, This works if the laptop keyboard has an embedded numpad. I know at least one brand that doesn’t even include an embedded numpad (ThinkPad is a notable case). I think, at this point, we may need more info from Rechell regarding what computer she’s got and tasks at hand. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Joseph, Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance. Huge. We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors. ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)
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I never use the dekstop layout and my lpatop has a number pad. I refuse to use the desktop as the keys are easier to reach and the configuration just makes more sense to me. The switch should be easy and the learningn curve is not that hard, if you practice.
On 23 Oct 2018, at 8:05, Brian Vogel wrote:
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On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
The switch should be easy and the learning curve is not that hard, if you practice.Speak for yourself on that count. I have no issue with anyone preferring one layout over the other, and those who learned under and use the laptop layout (for whatever reason) tend to be driven crazy by the desktop layout and vice versa. I have yet to encounter someone who doesn't find the learning curve maddening and long if they are forced to switch from one layout to another. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance. Huge. We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors. ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)
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Chris
Same here, my laptop has a keypad also, If you can get away with just using the desktop layout then stick with that option short term
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 23 October 2018 17:37 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard
I never use the dekstop layout and my lpatop has a number pad. I refuse to use the desktop as the keys are easier to reach and the configuration just makes more sense to me. The switch should be easy and the learningn curve is not that hard, if you practice. On 23 Oct 2018, at 8:05, Brian Vogel wrote:
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Nah I'm good. The keys really are easier for me to reach with my small ish hands and my long ish fingers. He less hand movement I need to do the better. I've ben on a laptop probably since 2002 and that's all I know. I've always had issues with desktop layouts and never ever learn them.
On 23 Oct 2018, at 10:23, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
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Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
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I did try the laptop on a machine we have that logs in postal wallets, but as I use a desktop at home it just confused the heck out of my brain! Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard I never use the dekstop layout and my lpatop has a number pad. I refuse
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Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are pretty random and do not look at what they need to do with an overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard Hi,
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Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn what I can, and tht's pretty much it. I remember when I used to be someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.
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Take care
On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are pretty random and do not look at what they need to do with an overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.
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Lenron
I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick
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with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.
On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn --
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Daniel Damacena
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From: Lenron
Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard
I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.
On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote: > Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn > what I can, and tht's pretty much it. I remember when I used to be > someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything > about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which > is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha. > > Take care > > On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: > >> It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if >> you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of >> time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these >> busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are >> pretty random and do not look at what they need to do with an >> overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in >> the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it. >> Brian >> >> bglists@... >> Sent via blueyonder. >> Please address personal E-mail to:- >> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >> in the display name field. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" >> <joseph.lee22590@...> >> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on >>> laptop >>> layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more >>> sense >>> (especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the >>> story >>> at the moment). >>> >>> Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based >>> on >>> conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between >>> an >>> important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new >>> screen >>> reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the >>> task at >>> hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than >>> keyboard >>> layout. >>> >>> To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people >>> how to >>> use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is >>> better to >>> let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives >>> them >>> access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader >>> expert (or >>> a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a >>> counsellor >>> willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits >>> the >>> context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the >>> one >>> offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for >>> given >>> situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a >>> good >>> listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're >>> teaching; >>> becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer >>> solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and >>> even >>> if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews >>> within their >>> minds and souls). >>> >>> I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means >>> to be an >>> NVDA expert and influential add-on developer. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Joseph >>> >>> >>> >>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell >>> Schwartz via Groups.Io >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM >>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >>> Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>> I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external >>> keyboard. >>> >>> >>> I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop >>> keyboard. >>> >>> >>> >>> Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from >>> the >>> user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay >>> workaround or tips on this? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Rechell Schwartz >>> >>> Guardian Life Insurance Companyn >>> >>> IT - BTS Group UI/UX >>> >>> (212)919-3853 >>> >>> >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----------------------------------------- This message, and any >>> attachments >>> to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and >>> exempt >>> from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message >>> is not >>> the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, >>> distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly >>> prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify >>> the >>> sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any >>> attachments. Thank you. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > >
-- Lenron Brown Cell: 985-271-2832 Skype: ron.brown762
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Daniel Damacena
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From: Lenron
Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard
I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.
On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote: > Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn > what I can, and tht's pretty much it. I remember when I used to be > someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything > about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which > is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha. > > Take care > > On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: > >> It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if >> you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of >> time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these >> busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are >> pretty random and do not look at what they need to do with an >> overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in >> the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it. >> Brian >> >> bglists@... >> Sent via blueyonder. >> Please address personal E-mail to:- >> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >> in the display name field. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" >> <joseph.lee22590@...> >> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on >>> laptop >>> layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more >>> sense >>> (especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the >>> story >>> at the moment). >>> >>> Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based >>> on >>> conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between >>> an >>> important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new >>> screen >>> reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the >>> task at >>> hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than >>> keyboard >>> layout. >>> >>> To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people >>> how to >>> use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is >>> better to >>> let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives >>> them >>> access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader >>> expert (or >>> a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a >>> counsellor >>> willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits >>> the >>> context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the >>> one >>> offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for >>> given >>> situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a >>> good >>> listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're >>> teaching; >>> becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer >>> solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and >>> even >>> if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews >>> within their >>> minds and souls). >>> >>> I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means >>> to be an >>> NVDA expert and influential add-on developer. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Joseph >>> >>> >>> >>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell >>> Schwartz via Groups.Io >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM >>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >>> Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>> I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external >>> keyboard. >>> >>> >>> I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop >>> keyboard. >>> >>> >>> >>> Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from >>> the >>> user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay >>> workaround or tips on this? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Rechell Schwartz >>> >>> Guardian Life Insurance Companyn >>> >>> IT - BTS Group UI/UX >>> >>> (212)919-3853 >>> >>> >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----------------------------------------- This message, and any >>> attachments >>> to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and >>> exempt >>> from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message >>> is not >>> the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, >>> distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly >>> prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify >>> the >>> sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any >>> attachments. Thank you. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > >
-- Lenron Brown Cell: 985-271-2832 Skype: ron.brown762
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Lenron
if anyone knows of a keyboard I can purchase with the applications key
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please let me know.
On 10/25/18, Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@gmail.com> wrote:
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Gene
I suspect if you had been doing it as long as you
used the context menu key, you would take it for granted.
Gene
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From: Daniel Damacena
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop
Keyboard I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying.
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From: Lenron
I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.
On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote: > Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn > what I can, and tht's pretty much it. I remember when I used to be > someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything > about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which > is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha. > > Take care > > On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: > >> It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if >> you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of >> time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these >> busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are >> pretty random and do not look at what they need to do with an >> overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in >> the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it. >> Brian >> >> bglists@... >> Sent via blueyonder. >> Please address personal E-mail to:- >> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >> in the display name field. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" >> <joseph.lee22590@...> >> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on >>> laptop >>> layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more >>> sense >>> (especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the >>> story >>> at the moment). >>> >>> Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based >>> on >>> conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between >>> an >>> important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new >>> screen >>> reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the >>> task at >>> hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than >>> keyboard >>> layout. >>> >>> To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people >>> how to >>> use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is >>> better to >>> let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives >>> them >>> access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader >>> expert (or >>> a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a >>> counsellor >>> willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits >>> the >>> context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the >>> one >>> offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for >>> given >>> situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a >>> good >>> listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're >>> teaching; >>> becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer >>> solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and >>> even >>> if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews >>> within their >>> minds and souls). >>> >>> I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means >>> to be an >>> NVDA expert and influential add-on developer. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Joseph >>> >>> >>> >>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell >>> Schwartz via Groups.Io >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM >>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >>> Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>> I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external >>> keyboard. >>> >>> >>> I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop >>> keyboard. >>> >>> >>> >>> Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from >>> the >>> user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay >>> workaround or tips on this? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Rechell Schwartz >>> >>> Guardian Life Insurance Companyn >>> >>> IT - BTS Group UI/UX >>> >>> (212)919-3853 >>> >>> >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----------------------------------------- This message, and any >>> attachments >>> to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and >>> exempt >>> from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message >>> is not >>> the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, >>> distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly >>> prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify >>> the >>> sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any >>> attachments. Thank you. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > >
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Gene
Does it matter if it is a wireless keyboard or
not?
Gene
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From: Lenron
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop
Keyboard please let me know. On 10/25/18, Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@...> wrote: > I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying. > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Lenron > Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45 > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard > > I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick > with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with > the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have > decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore. > > On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote: >> Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn >> what I can, and tht's pretty much it. I remember when I used to be >> someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything >> about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which >> is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha. >> >> Take care >> >> On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: >> >>> It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if >>> you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of >>> time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these >>> busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are >>> pretty random and do not look at what they need to do with an >>> overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in >>> the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it. >>> Brian >>> >>> bglists@... >>> Sent via blueyonder. >>> Please address personal E-mail to:- >>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >>> in the display name field. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" >>> <joseph.lee22590@...> >>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on >>>> laptop >>>> layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more >>>> sense >>>> (especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the >>>> story >>>> at the moment). >>>> >>>> Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based >>>> on >>>> conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between >>>> an >>>> important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new >>>> screen >>>> reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the >>>> task at >>>> hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than >>>> keyboard >>>> layout. >>>> >>>> To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people >>>> how to >>>> use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is >>>> better to >>>> let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives >>>> them >>>> access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader >>>> expert (or >>>> a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a >>>> counsellor >>>> willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits >>>> the >>>> context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the >>>> one >>>> offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for >>>> given >>>> situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a >>>> good >>>> listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're >>>> teaching; >>>> becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer >>>> solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and >>>> even >>>> if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews >>>> within their >>>> minds and souls). >>>> >>>> I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means >>>> to be an >>>> NVDA expert and influential add-on developer. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Joseph >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell >>>> Schwartz via Groups.Io >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM >>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>> Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external >>>> keyboard. >>>> >>>> >>>> I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop >>>> keyboard. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from >>>> the >>>> user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay >>>> workaround or tips on this? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Rechell Schwartz >>>> >>>> Guardian Life Insurance Companyn >>>> >>>> IT - BTS Group UI/UX >>>> >>>> (212)919-3853 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _____ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------- This message, and any >>>> attachments >>>> to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and >>>> exempt >>>> from disclosure under applicable law. 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At this point it doesn't matter, I will take what I can get. It's been
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driving me mad trying to find one.
On 10/25/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Does it matter if it is a wireless keyboard or not? --
Lenron Brown Cell: 985-271-2832 Skype: ron.brown762
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