I love my insignia keyboard I got from best buy. It was $12. and it's
usb. It's a quite ice keyboard I just love to type on

On 25 Oct 2018, at 18:44, Travis Siegel wrote:

And, I forgot to mention, yes, it does have an applications key.



On 10/25/2018 9:32 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:

logitech 820-006477 is the wireless keyboard I have, and it has a
full sized numpad on it.  It came with the all-in-one computer I
purchased nearly 2 years ago, and I've not had to change the
batteries yet.  It's beginning to drop characters here and there,
but I don't know if that's a battery problem, or a keyboard needs
cleaned problem, especially since it doesn't always happen, but it's
quite a nice keyboard if you can find it.


On 10/25/2018 8:31 PM, Lenron wrote:

At this point it doesn't matter, I will take what I can get. It's
been
driving me mad trying to find one.

On 10/25/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Does it matter if it is a wireless keyboard or not?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Lenron
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard


if anyone knows of a keyboard I can purchase with the applications
key
please let me know.

On 10/25/18, Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@...> wrote:

I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Lenron
Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick
with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops
with
the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards
have
decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.

On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I
learn
what I can, and tht's pretty much it.  I remember when I used to
be
someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise
everything
about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol!
Which
is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

Take care

On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
wrote:

It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes
and if
you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair
amount of
time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in
these
busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many
people are
pretty random and do not  look at what they need to do with an
overview so they can work to a logical method that shows
progress in
the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Hi,

Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard
area on
laptop
layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly
more
sense
(especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead
of the
story
at the moment).

Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken,
based
on
conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict
between
an
important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into
a new
screen
reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on
the
task at
hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more
than
keyboard
layout.

To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach
people
how to
use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it
is
better to
let people focus on their work more than the technology that
gives
them
access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen
reader
expert (or
a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a
counsellor
willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that
fits
the
context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including
the
one
offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do
for
given
situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to
become a
good
listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're
teaching;
becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and
offer
solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to
master (and
even
if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews
within their
minds and souls).

I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly
means
to be an
NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Rechell
Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard



Hello,



I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an
external
keyboard.


I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native
laptop
keyboard.



Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see
from
the
user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is
there nay
workaround or tips on this?



Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

IT - BTS Group UI/UX

(212)919-3853



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And, I forgot to mention, yes, it does have an applications key.

On 10/25/2018 9:32 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > logitech 820-006477 is the wireless keyboard I have, and it has a > full sized numpad on it.  It came with the all-in-one computer I > purchased nearly 2 years ago, and I've not had to change the > batteries yet.  It's beginning to drop characters here and there, > but I don't know if that's a battery problem, or a keyboard needs > cleaned problem, especially since it doesn't always happen, but it's > quite a nice keyboard if you can find it. > > > On 10/25/2018 8:31 PM, Lenron wrote: >> At this point it doesn't matter, I will take what I can get. It's >> been >> driving me mad trying to find one. >> >> On 10/25/18, Gene gsasner@... wrote: >>> Does it matter if it is a wireless keyboard or not? >>> >>> Gene >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: Lenron >>> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:58 PM >>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard >>> >>> >>> if anyone knows of a keyboard I can purchase with the applications >>> key >>> please let me know. >>> >>> On 10/25/18, Daniel Damacena danieldamacena.ma@... wrote: >>>> I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying. >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> From: Lenron >>>> Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45 >>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard >>>> >>>> I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick >>>> with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops >>>> with >>>> the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards >>>> have >>>> decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore. >>>> >>>> On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami marrie12@... wrote: >>>>> Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I >>>>> learn >>>>> what I can, and tht's pretty much it.  I remember when I used to >>>>> be >>>>> someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise >>>>> everything >>>>> about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! >>>>> Which >>>>> is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha. >>>>> >>>>> Take care >>>>> >>>>> On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes >>>>>> and if >>>>>> you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair >>>>>> amount of >>>>>> time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in >>>>>> these >>>>>> busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many >>>>>> people are >>>>>> pretty random and do not  look at what they need to do with an >>>>>> overview so they can work to a logical method that shows >>>>>> progress in >>>>>> the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it. >>>>>> Brian >>>>>> >>>>>> bglists@... >>>>>> Sent via blueyonder. >>>>>> Please address personal E-mail to:- >>>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >>>>>> in the display name field. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" >>>>>> joseph.lee22590@... >>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard >>>>>>> area on >>>>>>> laptop >>>>>>> layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> sense >>>>>>> (especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead >>>>>>> of the >>>>>>> story >>>>>>> at the moment). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, >>>>>>> based >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict >>>>>>> between >>>>>>> an >>>>>>> important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into >>>>>>> a new >>>>>>> screen >>>>>>> reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> task at >>>>>>> hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more >>>>>>> than >>>>>>> keyboard >>>>>>> layout. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach >>>>>>> people >>>>>>> how to >>>>>>> use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> better to >>>>>>> let people focus on their work more than the technology that >>>>>>> gives >>>>>>> them >>>>>>> access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen >>>>>>> reader >>>>>>> expert (or >>>>>>> a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a >>>>>>> counsellor >>>>>>> willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that >>>>>>> fits >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> one >>>>>>> offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> given >>>>>>> situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to >>>>>>> become a >>>>>>> good >>>>>>> listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're >>>>>>> teaching; >>>>>>> becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and >>>>>>> offer >>>>>>> solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to >>>>>>> master (and >>>>>>> even >>>>>>> if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews >>>>>>> within their >>>>>>> minds and souls). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly >>>>>>> means >>>>>>> to be an >>>>>>> NVDA expert and influential add-on developer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joseph >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of >>>>>>> Rechell >>>>>>> Schwartz via Groups.Io >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM >>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an >>>>>>> external >>>>>>> keyboard. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native >>>>>>> laptop >>>>>>> keyboard. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is >>>>>>> there nay >>>>>>> workaround or tips on this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rechell Schwartz >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Guardian Life Insurance Companyn >>>>>>> >>>>>>> IT - BTS Group UI/UX >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (212)919-3853 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>   _____ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----------------------------------------- This message, and any >>>>>>> attachments >>>>>>> to it, may contain information that is privileged, >>>>>>> confidential, and >>>>>>> exempt >>>>>>> from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this >>>>>>> message >>>>>>> is not >>>>>>> the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, >>>>>>> dissemination, >>>>>>> distribution, copying, or communication of this message is >>>>>>> strictly >>>>>>> prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please >>>>>>> notify >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and >>>>>>> any >>>>>>> attachments. Thank you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Lenron Brown >>>> Cell: 985-271-2832 >>>> Skype: ron.brown762 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Lenron Brown >>> Cell: 985-271-2832 >>> Skype: ron.brown762 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > >

I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Lenron
Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

 

I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick

with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with

the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have

decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.

 

On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

> Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn

> what I can, and tht's pretty much it.  I remember when I used to be

> someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything

> about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which

> is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

> 

> Take care

> 

> On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

> 

>> It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if

>> you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of

>> time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these

>> busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are

>> pretty random and do not  look at what they need to do  with an

>> overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in

>> the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.

>> Brian

>> 

>> bglists@...

>> Sent via blueyonder.

>> Please address personal E-mail to:-

>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

>> in the display name field.

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"

>> <joseph.lee22590@...>

>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

>> 

>> 

>>> Hi,

>>> 

>>> Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on

>>> laptop

>>> layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more

>>> sense

>>> (especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the

>>> story

>>> at the moment).

>>> 

>>> Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based

>>> on

>>> conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between

>>> an

>>> important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new

>>> screen

>>> reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the

>>> task at

>>> hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than

>>> keyboard

>>> layout.

>>> 

>>> To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people

>>> how to

>>> use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is

>>> better to

>>> let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives

>>> them

>>> access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader

>>> expert (or

>>> a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a

>>> counsellor

>>> willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits

>>> the

>>> context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the

>>> one

>>> offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for

>>> given

>>> situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a

>>> good

>>> listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're

>>> teaching;

>>> becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer

>>> solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and

>>> even

>>> if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews

>>> within their

>>> minds and souls).

>>> 

>>> I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means

>>> to be an

>>> NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

>>> 

>>> Cheers,

>>> 

>>> Joseph

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell

>>> Schwartz via Groups.Io

>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM

>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>> Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Hello,

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external

>>> keyboard.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop

>>> keyboard.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from

>>> the

>>> user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay

>>> workaround or tips on this?

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Thanks,

>>> 

>>> Rechell Schwartz

>>> 

>>> Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

>>> 

>>> IT - BTS Group UI/UX

>>> 

>>> (212)919-3853

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>>  _____

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> ----------------------------------------- This message, and any

>>> attachments

>>> to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and

>>> exempt

>>> from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message

>>> is not

>>> the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination,

>>> distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly

>>> prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify

>>> the

>>> sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any

>>> attachments. Thank you.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> 

>

> 

> 

 

 

--

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Cell: 985-271-2832

Skype: ron.brown762

 

 

 

Apparently, the 820-006477 is the part number, the model number is k270.

Hope this helps.


On 10/25/2018 9:44 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:

And, I forgot to mention, yes, it does have an applications key.



On 10/25/2018 9:32 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:

logitech 820-006477 is the wireless keyboard I have, and it has a full sized numpad on it.  It came with the all-in-one computer I purchased nearly 2 years ago, and I've not had to change the batteries yet.  It's beginning to drop characters here and there, but I don't know if that's a battery problem, or a keyboard needs cleaned problem, especially since it doesn't always happen, but it's quite a nice keyboard if you can find it.


On 10/25/2018 8:31 PM, Lenron wrote:

At this point it doesn't matter, I will take what I can get. It's been
driving me mad trying to find one.

On 10/25/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Does it matter if it is a wireless keyboard or not?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Lenron
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard


if anyone knows of a keyboard I can purchase with the applications key
please let me know.

On 10/25/18, Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@...> wrote:

I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Lenron
Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick
with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with
the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have
decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.

On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn
what I can, and tht's pretty much it.  I remember when I used to be
someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything
about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which
is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

Take care

On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if
you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of
time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these
busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are
pretty random and do not  look at what they need to do with an
overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in
the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Hi,

Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on
laptop
layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more
sense
(especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the
story
at the moment).

Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based
on
conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between
an
important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new
screen
reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the
task at
hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than
keyboard
layout.

To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people
how to
use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is
better to
let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives
them
access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader
expert (or
a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a
counsellor
willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits
the
context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the
one
offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for
given
situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a
good
listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're
teaching;
becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer
solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and
even
if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews
within their
minds and souls).

I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means
to be an
NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell
Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard



Hello,



I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external
keyboard.


I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop
keyboard.



Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from
the
user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay
workaround or tips on this?



Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

IT - BTS Group UI/UX

(212)919-3853



  _____





----------------------------------------- This message, and any
attachments
to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and
exempt
from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message
is not
the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination,
distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly
prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify
the
sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any
attachments. Thank you.

--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762

--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762

And, I forgot to mention, yes, it does have an applications key.



On 10/25/2018 9:32 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:

logitech 820-006477 is the wireless keyboard I have, and it has a full sized numpad on it.  It came with the all-in-one computer I purchased nearly 2 years ago, and I've not had to change the batteries yet.  It's beginning to drop characters here and there, but I don't know if that's a battery problem, or a keyboard needs cleaned problem, especially since it doesn't always happen, but it's quite a nice keyboard if you can find it.


On 10/25/2018 8:31 PM, Lenron wrote:

At this point it doesn't matter, I will take what I can get. It's been
driving me mad trying to find one.

On 10/25/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Does it matter if it is a wireless keyboard or not?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Lenron
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard


if anyone knows of a keyboard I can purchase with the applications key
please let me know.

On 10/25/18, Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@...> wrote:

I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Lenron
Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick
with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with
the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have
decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.

On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn
what I can, and tht's pretty much it.  I remember when I used to be
someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything
about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which
is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

Take care

On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if
you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of
time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these
busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are
pretty random and do not  look at what they need to do with an
overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in
the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Hi,

Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on
laptop
layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more
sense
(especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the
story
at the moment).

Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based
on
conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between
an
important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new
screen
reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the
task at
hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than
keyboard
layout.

To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people
how to
use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is
better to
let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives
them
access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader
expert (or
a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a
counsellor
willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits
the
context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the
one
offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for
given
situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a
good
listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're
teaching;
becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer
solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and
even
if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews
within their
minds and souls).

I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means
to be an
NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell
Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard



Hello,



I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external
keyboard.


I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop
keyboard.



Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from
the
user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay
workaround or tips on this?



Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

IT - BTS Group UI/UX

(212)919-3853



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logitech 820-006477 is the wireless keyboard I have, and it has a full sized numpad on it.  It came with the all-in-one computer I purchased nearly 2 years ago, and I've not had to change the batteries yet.  It's beginning to drop characters here and there, but I don't know if that's a battery problem, or a keyboard needs cleaned problem, especially since it doesn't always happen, but it's quite a nice keyboard if you can find it.


On 10/25/2018 8:31 PM, Lenron wrote:

At this point it doesn't matter, I will take what I can get. It's been
driving me mad trying to find one.

On 10/25/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Does it matter if it is a wireless keyboard or not?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Lenron
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard


if anyone knows of a keyboard I can purchase with the applications key
please let me know.

On 10/25/18, Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@...> wrote:

I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Lenron
Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick
with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with
the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have
decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.

On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn
what I can, and tht's pretty much it.  I remember when I used to be
someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything
about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which
is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

Take care

On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if
you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of
time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these
busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are
pretty random and do not  look at what they need to do with an
overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in
the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Hi,

Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on
laptop
layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more
sense
(especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the
story
at the moment).

Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based
on
conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between
an
important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new
screen
reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the
task at
hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than
keyboard
layout.

To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people
how to
use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is
better to
let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives
them
access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader
expert (or
a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a
counsellor
willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits
the
context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the
one
offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for
given
situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a
good
listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're
teaching;
becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer
solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and
even
if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews
within their
minds and souls).

I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means
to be an
NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell
Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard



Hello,



I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external
keyboard.


I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop
keyboard.



Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from
the
user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay
workaround or tips on this?



Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

IT - BTS Group UI/UX

(212)919-3853



  _____





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At this point it doesn't matter, I will take what I can get. It's been
driving me mad trying to find one.

On 10/25/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Does it matter if it is a wireless keyboard or not?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Lenron
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard


if anyone knows of a keyboard I can purchase with the applications key
please let me know.

On 10/25/18, Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@...> wrote:

I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Lenron
Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick
with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with
the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have
decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.

On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn
what I can, and tht's pretty much it. I remember when I used to be
someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything
about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which
is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

Take care

On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if
you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of
time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these
busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are
pretty random and do not look at what they need to do with an
overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in
the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Hi,

Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on
laptop
layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more
sense
(especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the
story
at the moment).

Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based
on
conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between
an
important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new
screen
reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the
task at
hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than
keyboard
layout.

To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people
how to
use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is
better to
let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives
them
access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader
expert (or
a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a
counsellor
willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits
the
context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the
one
offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for
given
situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a
good
listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're
teaching;
becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer
solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and
even
if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews
within their
minds and souls).

I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means
to be an
NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell
Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard



Hello,



I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external
keyboard.


I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop
keyboard.



Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from
the
user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay
workaround or tips on this?



Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

IT - BTS Group UI/UX

(212)919-3853



_____





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the
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--
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Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762

--
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Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762

At this point it doesn't matter, I will take what I can get. It's been
driving me mad trying to find one.

On 10/25/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Does it matter if it is a wireless keyboard or not?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Lenron
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard


if anyone knows of a keyboard I can purchase with the applications key
please let me know.

On 10/25/18, Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@...> wrote:
I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Lenron
Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick
with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with
the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have
decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.

On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn
what I can, and tht's pretty much it. I remember when I used to be
someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything
about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which
is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

Take care

On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if
you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of
time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these
busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are
pretty random and do not look at what they need to do with an
overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in
the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Hi,

Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on
laptop
layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more
sense
(especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the
story
at the moment).

Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based
on
conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between
an
important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new
screen
reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the
task at
hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than
keyboard
layout.

To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people
how to
use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is
better to
let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives
them
access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader
expert (or
a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a
counsellor
willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits
the
context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the
one
offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for
given
situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a
good
listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're
teaching;
becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer
solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and
even
if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews
within their
minds and souls).

I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means
to be an
NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell
Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard



Hello,



I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external
keyboard.


I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop
keyboard.



Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from
the
user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay
workaround or tips on this?



Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

IT - BTS Group UI/UX

(212)919-3853



_____





----------------------------------------- This message, and any
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the
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--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762

--
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Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762

--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762

Does it matter if it is a wireless keyboard or not?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Lenron
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard


if anyone knows of a keyboard I can purchase with the applications key
please let me know.

On 10/25/18, Daniel Damacena <danieldamacena.ma@...> wrote:

I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Lenron
Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick
with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with
the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have
decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.

On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn
what I can, and tht's pretty much it. I remember when I used to be
someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything
about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which
is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

Take care

On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if
you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of
time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these
busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are
pretty random and do not look at what they need to do with an
overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in
the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Hi,

Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on
laptop
layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more
sense
(especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the
story
at the moment).

Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based
on
conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between
an
important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new
screen
reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the
task at
hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than
keyboard
layout.

To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people
how to
use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is
better to
let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives
them
access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader
expert (or
a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a
counsellor
willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits
the
context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the
one
offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for
given
situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a
good
listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're
teaching;
becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer
solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and
even
if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews
within their
minds and souls).

I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means
to be an
NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell
Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard



Hello,



I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external
keyboard.


I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop
keyboard.



Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from
the
user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay
workaround or tips on this?



Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

IT - BTS Group UI/UX

(212)919-3853



_____





----------------------------------------- This message, and any
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to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and
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the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination,
distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly
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the
sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any
attachments. Thank you.

--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762

--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762

I think you are right. To press shift + f10 is really annoying.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Lenron
Sent: quinta-feira, 25 de outubro de 2018 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick
with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with
the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have
decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.

On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn
what I can, and tht's pretty much it. I remember when I used to be
someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything
about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which
is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

Take care

On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if
you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of
time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these
busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are
pretty random and do not look at what they need to do with an
overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in
the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Hi,

Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on
laptop
layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more
sense
(especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the
story
at the moment).

Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based
on
conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between
an
important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new
screen
reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the
task at
hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than
keyboard
layout.

To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people
how to
use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is
better to
let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives
them
access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader
expert (or
a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a
counsellor
willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits
the
context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the
one
offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for
given
situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a
good
listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're
teaching;
becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer
solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and
even
if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews
within their
minds and souls).

I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means
to be an
NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell
Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard



Hello,



I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external
keyboard.


I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop
keyboard.



Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from
the
user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay
workaround or tips on this?



Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

IT - BTS Group UI/UX

(212)919-3853



_____





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I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick

with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with

the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have

decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.

On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

> Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn

> what I can, and tht's pretty much it.  I remember when I used to be

> someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything

> about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which

> is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

> 

> Take care

> 

> On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

> 

>> It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if

>> you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of

>> time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these

>> busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are

>> pretty random and do not  look at what they need to do  with an

>> overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in

>> the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.

>> Brian

>> 

>> bglists@...

>> Sent via blueyonder.

>> Please address personal E-mail to:-

>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

>> in the display name field.

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"

>> <joseph.lee22590@...>

>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

>> 

>> 

>>> Hi,

>>> 

>>> Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on

>>> laptop

>>> layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more

>>> sense

>>> (especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the

>>> story

>>> at the moment).

>>> 

>>> Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based

>>> on

>>> conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between

>>> an

>>> important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new

>>> screen

>>> reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the

>>> task at

>>> hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than

>>> keyboard

>>> layout.

>>> 

>>> To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people

>>> how to

>>> use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is

>>> better to

>>> let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives

>>> them

>>> access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader

>>> expert (or

>>> a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a

>>> counsellor

>>> willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits

>>> the

>>> context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the

>>> one

>>> offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for

>>> given

>>> situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a

>>> good

>>> listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're

>>> teaching;

>>> becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer

>>> solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and

>>> even

>>> if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews

>>> within their

>>> minds and souls).

>>> 

>>> I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means

>>> to be an

>>> NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

>>> 

>>> Cheers,

>>> 

>>> Joseph

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell

>>> Schwartz via Groups.Io

>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM

>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>> Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Hello,

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external

>>> keyboard.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop

>>> keyboard.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from

>>> the

>>> user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay

>>> workaround or tips on this?

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Thanks,

>>> 

>>> Rechell Schwartz

>>> 

>>> Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

>>> 

>>> IT - BTS Group UI/UX

>>> 

>>> (212)919-3853

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>>  _____

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> ----------------------------------------- This message, and any

>>> attachments

>>> to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and

>>> exempt

>>> from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message

>>> is not

>>> the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination,

>>> distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly

>>> prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify

>>> the

>>> sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any

>>> attachments. Thank you.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> 

>

> 

> 

--

Lenron Brown

Cell: 985-271-2832

Skype: ron.brown762

I adore desktop mode. It's what I started out with so I just stick

with it. Even when I am using a laptop I tend to prefer laptops with

the full keyboard. These days i hate that a fiar bit of keyboards have

decided that we don't need the aplications key anymore.

On 10/23/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

> Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn

> what I can, and tht's pretty much it.  I remember when I used to be

> someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything

> about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which

> is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

> 

> Take care

> 

> On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

> 

>> It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if

>> you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of

>> time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these

>> busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are

>> pretty random and do not  look at what they need to do  with an

>> overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in

>> the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.

>> Brian

>> 

>> bglists@...

>> Sent via blueyonder.

>> Please address personal E-mail to:-

>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

>> in the display name field.

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"

>> <joseph.lee22590@...>

>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

>> 

>> 

>>> Hi,

>>> 

>>> Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on

>>> laptop

>>> layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more

>>> sense

>>> (especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the

>>> story

>>> at the moment).

>>> 

>>> Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based

>>> on

>>> conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between

>>> an

>>> important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new

>>> screen

>>> reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the

>>> task at

>>> hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than

>>> keyboard

>>> layout.

>>> 

>>> To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people

>>> how to

>>> use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is

>>> better to

>>> let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives

>>> them

>>> access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader

>>> expert (or

>>> a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a

>>> counsellor

>>> willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits

>>> the

>>> context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the

>>> one

>>> offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for

>>> given

>>> situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a

>>> good

>>> listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're

>>> teaching;

>>> becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer

>>> solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and

>>> even

>>> if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews

>>> within their

>>> minds and souls).

>>> 

>>> I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means

>>> to be an

>>> NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

>>> 

>>> Cheers,

>>> 

>>> Joseph

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell

>>> Schwartz via Groups.Io

>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM

>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>> Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Hello,

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external

>>> keyboard.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop

>>> keyboard.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from

>>> the

>>> user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay

>>> workaround or tips on this?

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Thanks,

>>> 

>>> Rechell Schwartz

>>> 

>>> Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

>>> 

>>> IT - BTS Group UI/UX

>>> 

>>> (212)919-3853

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>>  _____

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> ----------------------------------------- This message, and any

>>> attachments

>>> to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and

>>> exempt

>>> from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message

>>> is not

>>> the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination,

>>> distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly

>>> prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify

>>> the

>>> sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any

>>> attachments. Thank you.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> 

>

> 

> 

--

Lenron Brown

Cell: 985-271-2832

Skype: ron.brown762

Tha'ts true I don't often have time to see the bigger picture. I learn
what I can, and tht's pretty much it. I remember when I used to be
someoen who coudl read a manual in about 3 hours and memorise everything
about what ever it was when I was reading. Now not so much. Lol! Which
is why I'm on this list. Hehahahaha.

Take care

On 23 Oct 2018, at 13:10, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if
you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of
time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these
busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are
pretty random and do not look at what they need to do with an
overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in
the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Hi,

Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on
laptop
layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more
sense
(especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the
story
at the moment).

Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based
on
conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between
an
important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new
screen
reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the
task at
hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than
keyboard
layout.

To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people
how to
use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is
better to
let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives
them
access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader
expert (or
a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a
counsellor
willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits
the
context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the
one
offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for
given
situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a
good
listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're
teaching;
becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer
solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and
even
if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews
within their
minds and souls).

I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means
to be an
NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell
Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard



Hello,



I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external
keyboard.


I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop
keyboard.



Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from
the
user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay
workaround or tips on this?



Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

IT - BTS Group UI/UX

(212)919-3853



_____





----------------------------------------- This message, and any
attachments
to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and
exempt
from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message
is not
the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination,
distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly
prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify
the
sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any
attachments. Thank you.

It is definitely hard to put yourself in somebody elses shoes and if you like, see the wood for the trees without spending a fair amount of time with that person and that is sadly not always possible in these busy days. Its hard also to teach organised thinking. Many people are pretty random and do not look at what they need to do with an overview so they can work to a logical method that shows progress in the learning enough to not lose confidence that they can do it.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard

Hi,

Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on laptop
layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more sense
(especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the story
at the moment).

Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based on
conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between an
important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new screen
reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the task at
hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than keyboard
layout.

To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people how to
use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is better to
let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives them
access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader expert (or
a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a counsellor
willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits the
context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the one
offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for given
situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a good
listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're teaching;
becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer
solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and even
if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews within their
minds and souls).

I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means to be an
NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell
Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard



Hello,



I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external
keyboard.


I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop
keyboard.



Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from the
user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay
workaround or tips on this?



Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

IT - BTS Group UI/UX

(212)919-3853



_____





----------------------------------------- This message, and any attachments
to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt
from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not
the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination,
distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly
prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the
sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any
attachments. Thank you.

Hi,

Most commands that uses Numpad are shifted to main keyboard area on laptop
layout. In a way, the laptop layo8ut commands makes slightly more sense
(especially object navigation commands, but that's a bit ahead of the story
at the moment).

Speaking of commands, tasks and what not: if I'm not mistaken, based on
conversations we had so far, I think you're having a conflict between an
important task or two at hand and suddenly being thrusted into a new screen
reader world. Am I correct? If yes, I advise focusing more on the task at
hand and how to accomplish it using concepts and commands more than keyboard
layout.

To others: some of you might say that it is important to teach people how to
use screen readers and commands. I'd argue that, sometimes it is better to
let people focus on their work more than the technology that gives them
access to information on screen. For this reason, a screen reader expert (or
a prospective one) must not only become a teacher, but also a counsellor
willing to listen, diagnose, and offer pragmatic solutions that fits the
context at hand. Many expert certification programs (including the one
offered by NV Access) tells you how things work and what to do for given
situations (or simulations), but they won't teach you how to become a good
listener and diagnosing issues beyond the technology they're teaching;
becoming a good listener and able to recognize, diagnose, and offer
solutions and advice for issues beyond NVDA takes time to master (and even
if we try to teach uniformity, people have different worldviews within their
minds and souls).

I may need to devote an entire thread regarding what it truly means to be an
NVDA expert and influential add-on developer.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rechell
Schwartz via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Desktop to Laptop Keyboard



Hello,



I have been using NVDA on a laptop that is connected to an external
keyboard.


I need to temporarily travel, and will need to use the native laptop
keyboard.



Am I need to go through a complete learning curve again ( I see from the
user's guide that many of the commands are different) or is there nay
workaround or tips on this?



Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

Guardian Life Insurance Companyn

IT - BTS Group UI/UX

(212)919-3853



_____





----------------------------------------- This message, and any attachments
to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt
from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not
the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination,
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