Antivirus


Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
 

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?


Salva Doménech Miguel <kibayasd@...>
 

Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?





Devin Prater
 

Hmm. I can use Utorrent fine, the list of things downloading isn't able to be tabbed to, but that's my only problem.

Devin Pratersent from Gmail.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io <kibayasd@...> wrote:
Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

> El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.
>
> Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.
>
> I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.
>
> What are your experiences in this matter?
>
>
>
>
>






Salva Doménech Miguel <kibayasd@...>
 

hi. Yep, Utorrent is the problema. The only problem.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 14:01, Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@...> escribió:

Hmm. I can use Utorrent fine, the list of things downloading isn't able to be tabbed to, but that's my only problem.

Devin Pratersent from Gmail.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io <kibayasd@...> wrote:
Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

> El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.
>
> Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.
>
> I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.
>
> What are your experiences in this matter?
>
>
>
>
>







Angela Delicata
 

Avast is more or less usable with Jaws, not NVDA.

Best.

Angela from Italy




Il 20/09/2016 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io ha scritto:
Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less
accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA.
From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely
usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without
problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with
Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure
the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone
cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?




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Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...>
 

yes, avast is totally accessible with nvda.

-----Original Message-----
From: Angela Delicata
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 8:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

Avast is more or less usable with Jaws, not NVDA.

Best.

Angela from Italy




Il 20/09/2016 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io ha scritto:
Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less
accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA.
From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely
usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without
problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with
Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure
the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone
cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?





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Gene
 

It wasn't totally accessible two or three years ago, which is the older version of the program I am still using.  I haven't heard anything indicating the the program is more accessible now.  Those using the current version may wish to comment.  Based on the older version, the program is useable but not fully accessible.  And, unless you degrade the performance of the program by turning off the self-protection feature, it is completely inaccessible with NVDA.  I consider it better to use the program with a JAWS demo so that it can be used without degrading the program's performance.
 
Avast has a good reputation in terms of the effectiveness of the program among users of free antivirus software.  But, unless the program has changed, it is not fully accessible.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

yes, avast is totally accessible with nvda.

-----Original Message-----
From: Angela Delicata
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 8:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

Avast is more or less usable with Jaws, not NVDA.

Best.

Angela from Italy




Il 20/09/2016 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io ha scritto:
> Hi,
>
>
> It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less
> accessible-minded people in the software industry.
>
> Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA.
> From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely
> usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without
> problems.
>
> I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with
> Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure
> the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone
> cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.
>
> What are your experiences in this matter?
>
>
>
>
>


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I really don't get the resistance to either Microsoft Security Essentials or Windows Defender, depending on whether you're running Windows 7 or a later version of Windows, respectively.

Both are accessible and very serviceable antivirus/antimalware programs.  Both offer realtime scanning.  Both allow you to set up exclusions to scanning if a program you know to be legitimate is being picked up as part of their scans.

No antivirus program or security suite is able to protect you from all possible routes of infection.   If you've been interacting with cyberspace for years and aren't routinely getting items quarantined that indicates that your browsing/downloading habits, which are your best defense against infection, are good.   If you're getting frequent identification of infections you definitely need to analyze what you're doing (and most often this is something that comes from operator actions) that is causing this and cease and desist or eventually something will get past whatever you're using.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Gene
 

The resistance comes from a lot of bad publicity both programs got about a year ago as to their effectiveness.  According to what I've read recently, they have improved but they are still not considered as top programs or more than just tolerable.
 
At the time they got the bad publicity, it was contraversial whether they deserved the bad publicity and I'll let those interested look up information.  I wrote about the contraversy at the time and I don't want to go into it all again. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

I really don't get the resistance to either Microsoft Security Essentials or Windows Defender, depending on whether you're running Windows 7 or a later version of Windows, respectively.

Both are accessible and very serviceable antivirus/antimalware programs.  Both offer realtime scanning.  Both allow you to set up exclusions to scanning if a program you know to be legitimate is being picked up as part of their scans.

No antivirus program or security suite is able to protect you from all possible routes of infection.   If you've been interacting with cyberspace for years and aren't routinely getting items quarantined that indicates that your browsing/downloading habits, which are your best defense against infection, are good.   If you're getting frequent identification of infections you definitely need to analyze what you're doing (and most often this is something that comes from operator actions) that is causing this and cease and desist or eventually something will get past whatever you're using.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



 

Gene,

            I'm well aware of the many times that both Microsoft Security Essentials and Windows Defender have been "dissed."   Even without questioning the motivations you note yourself that they are "tolerable."

            I'm quite tired of the perpetuation of the myth, and it is a myth, that "the best antivirus software" is what, ultimately, keeps you safe from infection.  People who browse and download carelessly virtually always get infections.   I have to clean them up as part of my living, so I see this up close and personal all the time and a great many of those people have "the best" antivirus and/or security suite programs.  Your best offense against infection is an excellent defense, which means paying attention to where you're traveling in cyberspace and/or what you're downloading.  If whatever program you're using as antivirus doesn't do realtime scanning, particularly of e-mail messages if you're using an e-mail client program, before you can even touch them then you need to be using one that does (and that's the generic "you," not you, personally).

            If accessibility is a concern there are few antivirus programs that are as accessible in all respects as those that come built-in to Windows.  Having the ability to control what you need to control is a lot bigger on the practical needs list than what is "the best" in some bench tester's opinion if you ask me.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Gene
 

But the less people know how to protect themselves, the more they need effective antimalware programs.  Yes, user practices are important.  But speaking of myths, there are myths about what sites are safe.  Many small sites, such as small religious sites, often don't have good security precautions and are more dangerous than sites considered dangerous such as pornography sites.  Advertising even on safe sites, may be hacked.  And what about a moment of absent-mindedness?  I am very careful about good practices but once, maybe a year ago, when I wasn't thinking carefully about what I was doing, I followed a link in an e-mail and malware was attempted to be downloaded to my machine.  My antimalware program stopped the download. 
 
Of course, as you say, bad practices endanger machines regardless of what antimalware programs someone is running.  But I don't consider that to be license to not look for good programs.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

Gene,

            I'm well aware of the many times that both Microsoft Security Essentials and Windows Defender have been "dissed."   Even without questioning the motivations you note yourself that they are "tolerable."

            I'm quite tired of the perpetuation of the myth, and it is a myth, that "the best antivirus software" is what, ultimately, keeps you safe from infection.  People who browse and download carelessly virtually always get infections.   I have to clean them up as part of my living, so I see this up close and personal all the time and a great many of those people have "the best" antivirus and/or security suite programs.  Your best offense against infection is an excellent defense, which means paying attention to where you're traveling in cyberspace and/or what you're downloading.  If whatever program you're using as antivirus doesn't do realtime scanning, particularly of e-mail messages if you're using an e-mail client program, before you can even touch them then you need to be using one that does (and that's the generic "you," not you, personally).

            If accessibility is a concern there are few antivirus programs that are as accessible in all respects as those that come built-in to Windows.  Having the ability to control what you need to control is a lot bigger on the practical needs list than what is "the best" in some bench tester's opinion if you ask me.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Robin Frost
 

Hi,
while I find Vipre to be reasonably accessible in terms of its installer once up and running there are areas of the program whose accessibility has taken a bit of a hit as compared with earlier versions. It’s served me well over the years and I’m still using it as I haven’t hit upon anything better that’s more accessible.
 
I’ve heard that Kaspersky gets good ratings as these programs go but sadly I’ve found that though once installed the program seems very accessible its installer is absolutely not usable with any screen reader. I took it upon myself to contact them about in hopes that perhaps they’d consider rectifying this. At least I tried.
Robin
 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
 
But the less people know how to protect themselves, the more they need effective antimalware programs.  Yes, user practices are important.  But speaking of myths, there are myths about what sites are safe.  Many small sites, such as small religious sites, often don't have good security precautions and are more dangerous than sites considered dangerous such as pornography sites.  Advertising even on safe sites, may be hacked.  And what about a moment of absent-mindedness?  I am very careful about good practices but once, maybe a year ago, when I wasn't thinking carefully about what I was doing, I followed a link in an e-mail and malware was attempted to be downloaded to my machine.  My antimalware program stopped the download. 
 
Of course, as you say, bad practices endanger machines regardless of what antimalware programs someone is running.  But I don't consider that to be license to not look for good programs.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
 

Gene,

            I'm well aware of the many times that both Microsoft Security Essentials and Windows Defender have been "dissed."   Even without questioning the motivations you note yourself that they are "tolerable."

            I'm quite tired of the perpetuation of the myth, and it is a myth, that "the best antivirus software" is what, ultimately, keeps you safe from infection.  People who browse and download carelessly virtually always get infections.   I have to clean them up as part of my living, so I see this up close and personal all the time and a great many of those people have "the best" antivirus and/or security suite programs.  Your best offense against infection is an excellent defense, which means paying attention to where you're traveling in cyberspace and/or what you're downloading.  If whatever program you're using as antivirus doesn't do realtime scanning, particularly of e-mail messages if you're using an e-mail client program, before you can even touch them then you need to be using one that does (and that's the generic "you," not you, personally).

            If accessibility is a concern there are few antivirus programs that are as accessible in all respects as those that come built-in to Windows.  Having the ability to control what you need to control is a lot bigger on the practical needs list than what is "the best" in some bench tester's opinion if you ask me.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

   

 


 

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 09:08 am, Gene wrote:
But I don't consider that to be license to not look for good programs.

And I consider both Microsoft Security Essentials and Windows Defender to be good programs.   The old saying, "The perfect is the enemy of the good," applies here.

To each his or her own.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi,


I tried AVG years ago and didn't like it because it interfered with speech. I use windows defender.


Rosemarie

On 9/20/2016 4:53 AM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io wrote:
Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?




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Exactly the same so I rely on the windows solution almost completely and som stand alone bits that I can use if I'm mega suspiciious.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Walmir Schultz via Groups.io" <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Antivirus


Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?




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Cannot you exclude the items from defender as you could in msse? I have allowed a number of hacking tools to exist in 7, with msse simply by changing them to allow in the dialogues after they were detected, but I've not tried this in Defender, I'd have thought the two pieces of software almost idemtical.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io" <kibayasd=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus


Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?





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Might be worth mentioning this in a ticket for nvda then.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Angela Delicata" <angeladelicata@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus


Avast is more or less usable with Jaws, not NVDA.

Best.

Angela from Italy




Il 20/09/2016 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io ha scritto:
Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less
accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA.
From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely
usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without
problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with
Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure
the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone
cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?





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Yes, indeed, I found unfortunately that most malware was imported from those come on adverts that offered other downloads. With an ad blocker on you don't get any of that rubbish to distract you. Also if you are of the mind to click links in emails from places you have never heard of, then you deserve what you get.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus


I really don't get the resistance to either Microsoft Security Essentials or Windows Defender, depending on whether you're running Windows 7 or a later version of Windows, respectively.

Both are accessible and very serviceable antivirus/antimalware programs. Both offer realtime scanning. Both allow you to set up exclusions to scanning if a program you know to be legitimate is being picked up as part of their scans.

No antivirus program or security suite is able to protect you from all possible routes of infection. If you've been interacting with cyberspace for years and aren't routinely getting items quarantined that indicates that your browsing/downloading habits, which are your best defense against infection, are good. If you're getting frequent identification of infections you definitely need to analyze what you're doing (and most often this is something that comes from operator actions) that is causing this and cease and desist or eventually something will get past whatever you're using.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.
~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"


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Yes indeed, most even old outlook Express has a tick box for not letting you access certain content. if you turn this off, you are going to have to be more careful, and I am.
Its always a trade off between ease of use and safety. the best safety is thinking of what you are going to do and taking a sensible decision. Luckily I have some clunker machines I can isolate from the network if I really want to go to some of the murkier corners of the web.
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus


Gene,

I'm well aware of the many times that both Microsoft Security Essentials and Windows Defender have been "dissed." Even without questioning the motivations you note yourself that they are "tolerable."

I'm quite tired of the perpetuation of the myth, and it is a myth, that "the best antivirus software" is what, ultimately, keeps you safe from infection. People who browse and download carelessly virtually always get infections. I have to clean them up as part of my living, so I see this up close and personal all the time and a great many of those people have "the best" antivirus and/or security suite programs. Your best offense against infection is an excellent defense, which means paying attention to where you're traveling in cyberspace and/or what you're downloading. If whatever program you're using as antivirus doesn't do realtime scanning, particularly of e-mail messages if you're using an e-mail client program, before you can even touch them then you need to be using one that does (and that's the generic "you," not you, personally).

If accessibility is a concern there are few antivirus programs that are as accessible in all respects as those that come built-in to Windows. Having the ability to control what you need to control is a lot bigger on the practical needs list than what is "the best" in some bench tester's opinion if you ask me.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.
~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"


Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

I, unfortunately, cannot recommend Microsoft to protect from viruses. Reviews have been middling at best, and I have seen users get issues when running that.

Personally, I use Sophos Home. It is cloud-based, and works great. It also has a good web filter. It allows a user to manage up to I believe ten PC's for no cost. I trust them as they are know in the enterprise space for delivering good security solutions.

I am considering enabling the wicki feature for our group. I think it would be good to include some of the most common questions in an FAQ. This would allow us to point users to that article instead of hashing out our views on MSE or Windows Defender.

Thanks.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 1:11 PM Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
Yes indeed, most even old outlook Express has a tick box for not letting you
access certain content. if you turn this off, you are going to have to be
more careful, and I am.
 Its always a trade off between ease of use and safety. the best safety is
thinking of what you are going to do and taking a sensible decision. Luckily
I have some clunker machines I can isolate from the network if I really want
to go to some of the murkier corners of the web.
 Brian

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From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus


Gene,

I'm well aware of the many times that both Microsoft Security Essentials and
Windows Defender have been "dissed." Even without questioning the
motivations you note yourself that they are "tolerable."

I'm quite tired of the perpetuation of the myth, and it is a myth, that "the
best antivirus software" is what, ultimately, keeps you safe from infection.
People who browse and download carelessly virtually always get infections. I
have to clean them up as part of my living, so I see this up close and
personal all the time and a great many of those people have "the best"
antivirus and/or security suite programs. Your best offense against
infection is an excellent defense, which means paying attention to where
you're traveling in cyberspace and/or what you're downloading. If whatever
program you're using as antivirus doesn't do realtime scanning, particularly
of e-mail messages if you're using an e-mail client program, before you can
even touch them then you need to be using one that does (and that's the
generic "you," not you, personally).

If accessibility is a concern there are few antivirus programs that are as
accessible in all respects as those that come built-in to Windows. Having
the ability to control what you need to control is a lot bigger on the
practical needs list than what is "the best" in some bench tester's opinion
if you ask me.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never
enough to keep up.
~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the
Universe"