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Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
Hi,
It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry. Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems. I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding. What are your experiences in this matter? |
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Salva Doménech Miguel <kibayasd@...>
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I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows. Cheers. El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata@...> escribió: |
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Devin Prater
Hmm. I can use Utorrent fine, the list of things downloading isn't able to be tabbed to, but that's my only problem. Devin Pratersent from Gmail. On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io <kibayasd@...> wrote: Hi. |
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Salva Doménech Miguel <kibayasd@...>
hi. Yep, Utorrent is the problema. The only problem.
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Angela Delicata
Avast is more or less usable with Jaws, not NVDA.
Best. Angela from Italy Il 20/09/2016 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io ha scritto: Hi, --- Questa e-mail è stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast antivirus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...>
yes, avast is totally accessible with nvda.
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From: Angela Delicata Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 8:26 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus Avast is more or less usable with Jaws, not NVDA. Best. Angela from Italy Il 20/09/2016 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io ha scritto: Hi, --- Questa e-mail è stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast antivirus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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Gene
It wasn't totally accessible two or three years
ago, which is the older version of the program I am still using. I haven't
heard anything indicating the the program is more accessible now. Those
using the current version may wish to comment. Based on the older version,
the program is useable but not fully accessible. And, unless you degrade
the performance of the program by turning off the self-protection feature, it is
completely inaccessible with NVDA. I consider it better to use the program
with a JAWS demo so that it can be used without degrading the program's
performance.
Avast has a good reputation in terms of the
effectiveness of the program among users of free antivirus software. But,
unless the program has changed, it is not fully accessible.
Gene
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-----Original Message----- From: Angela Delicata Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 8:26 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus Avast is more or less usable with Jaws, not NVDA. Best. Angela from Italy Il 20/09/2016 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io ha scritto: > Hi, > > > It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less > accessible-minded people in the software industry. > > Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. > From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely > usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without > problems. > > I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with > Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure > the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone > cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding. > > What are your experiences in this matter? > > > > > --- Questa e-mail è stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast antivirus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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I really don't get the resistance to either Microsoft Security Essentials or Windows Defender, depending on whether you're running Windows 7 or a later version of Windows, respectively. Both are accessible and very serviceable antivirus/antimalware programs. Both offer realtime scanning. Both allow you to set up exclusions to scanning if a program you know to be legitimate is being picked up as part of their scans. No antivirus program or security suite is able to protect you from all possible routes of infection. If you've been interacting with cyberspace for years and aren't routinely getting items quarantined that indicates that your browsing/downloading habits, which are your best defense against infection, are good. If you're getting frequent identification of infections you definitely need to analyze what you're doing (and most often this is something that comes from operator actions) that is causing this and cease and desist or eventually something will get past whatever you're using. I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up. ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"
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Gene
The resistance comes from a lot of bad publicity
both programs got about a year ago as to their effectiveness. According to
what I've read recently, they have improved but they are still not considered as
top programs or more than just tolerable.
At the time they got the bad publicity, it was
contraversial whether they deserved the bad publicity and I'll let those
interested look up information. I wrote about the contraversy at the time
and I don't want to go into it all again.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
I really don't get the resistance to either Microsoft Security Essentials or Windows Defender, depending on whether you're running Windows 7 or a later version of Windows, respectively. Both are accessible and very serviceable antivirus/antimalware programs. Both offer realtime scanning. Both allow you to set up exclusions to scanning if a program you know to be legitimate is being picked up as part of their scans. No antivirus program or security suite is able to protect you from all
possible routes of infection. If you've been interacting with cyberspace
for years and aren't routinely getting items quarantined that indicates that
your browsing/downloading habits, which are your best defense against infection,
are good. If you're getting frequent identification of infections you
definitely need to analyze what you're doing (and most often this is something
that comes from operator actions) that is causing this and cease and desist or
eventually something will get past whatever you're using. I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up. ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the
Universe"
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Gene, I'm well aware of the many times that both Microsoft Security Essentials and Windows Defender have been "dissed." Even without questioning the motivations you note yourself that they are "tolerable." I'm quite tired of the perpetuation of the myth, and it is a myth, that "the best antivirus software" is what, ultimately, keeps you safe from infection. People who browse and download carelessly virtually always get infections. I have to clean them up as part of my living, so I see this up close and personal all the time and a great many of those people have "the best" antivirus and/or security suite programs. Your best offense against infection is an excellent defense, which means paying attention to where you're traveling in cyberspace and/or what you're downloading. If whatever program you're using as antivirus doesn't do realtime scanning, particularly of e-mail messages if you're using an e-mail client program, before you can even touch them then you need to be using one that does (and that's the generic "you," not you, personally). If accessibility is a concern there are few antivirus programs that are as accessible in all respects as those that come built-in to Windows. Having the ability to control what you need to control is a lot bigger on the practical needs list than what is "the best" in some bench tester's opinion if you ask me. I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up. ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"
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Gene
But the less people know how to protect themselves,
the more they need effective antimalware programs. Yes, user practices are
important. But speaking of myths, there are myths about what sites are
safe. Many small sites, such as small religious sites, often don't have
good security precautions and are more dangerous than sites considered dangerous
such as pornography sites. Advertising even on safe sites, may be
hacked. And what about a moment of absent-mindedness? I am very
careful about good practices but once, maybe a year ago, when I wasn't thinking
carefully about what I was doing, I followed a link in an e-mail and malware was
attempted to be downloaded to my machine. My antimalware program stopped
the download.
Of course, as you say, bad practices endanger
machines regardless of what antimalware programs someone is running. But I
don't consider that to be license to not look for good programs.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
Gene, I'm well aware of the many times that both Microsoft Security Essentials and Windows Defender have been "dissed." Even without questioning the motivations you note yourself that they are "tolerable." I'm quite tired of the perpetuation of the myth, and it is a myth, that "the best antivirus software" is what, ultimately, keeps you safe from infection. People who browse and download carelessly virtually always get infections. I have to clean them up as part of my living, so I see this up close and personal all the time and a great many of those people have "the best" antivirus and/or security suite programs. Your best offense against infection is an excellent defense, which means paying attention to where you're traveling in cyberspace and/or what you're downloading. If whatever program you're using as antivirus doesn't do realtime scanning, particularly of e-mail messages if you're using an e-mail client program, before you can even touch them then you need to be using one that does (and that's the generic "you," not you, personally). If accessibility is a concern there
are few antivirus programs that are as accessible in all respects as those that
come built-in to Windows. Having the ability to control what you need to
control is a lot bigger on the practical needs list than what is "the best" in
some bench tester's opinion if you ask me. I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up. ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the
Universe"
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Robin Frost
Hi,
while I find Vipre to be reasonably accessible in terms of its installer
once up and running there are areas of the program whose accessibility has taken
a bit of a hit as compared with earlier versions. It’s served me well over the
years and I’m still using it as I haven’t hit upon anything better that’s more
accessible.
I’ve heard that Kaspersky gets good ratings as these programs go but sadly
I’ve found that though once installed the program seems very accessible its
installer is absolutely not usable with any screen reader. I took it upon myself
to contact them about in hopes that perhaps they’d consider rectifying this. At
least I tried.
Robin
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus But the less people know how to protect themselves,
the more they need effective antimalware programs. Yes, user practices are
important. But speaking of myths, there are myths about what sites are
safe. Many small sites, such as small religious sites, often don't have
good security precautions and are more dangerous than sites considered dangerous
such as pornography sites. Advertising even on safe sites, may be
hacked. And what about a moment of absent-mindedness? I am very
careful about good practices but once, maybe a year ago, when I wasn't thinking
carefully about what I was doing, I followed a link in an e-mail and malware was
attempted to be downloaded to my machine. My antimalware program stopped
the download.
Of course, as you say, bad practices endanger
machines regardless of what antimalware programs someone is running. But I
don't consider that to be license to not look for good programs.
Gene
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From: Brian
Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus Gene, I'm well aware of the many times that both Microsoft Security Essentials and Windows Defender have been "dissed." Even without questioning the motivations you note yourself that they are "tolerable." I'm quite tired of the perpetuation of the myth, and it is a myth, that "the best antivirus software" is what, ultimately, keeps you safe from infection. People who browse and download carelessly virtually always get infections. I have to clean them up as part of my living, so I see this up close and personal all the time and a great many of those people have "the best" antivirus and/or security suite programs. Your best offense against infection is an excellent defense, which means paying attention to where you're traveling in cyberspace and/or what you're downloading. If whatever program you're using as antivirus doesn't do realtime scanning, particularly of e-mail messages if you're using an e-mail client program, before you can even touch them then you need to be using one that does (and that's the generic "you," not you, personally). If
accessibility is a concern there are few antivirus programs that are as
accessible in all respects as those that come built-in to Windows. Having
the ability to control what you need to control is a lot bigger on the practical
needs list than what is "the best" in some bench tester's opinion if you ask
me. I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up. ~ Trudy, in Jane
Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent
Life in the Universe"
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On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 09:08 am, Gene wrote:
But I don't consider that to be license to not look for good programs. And I consider both Microsoft Security Essentials and Windows Defender to be good programs. The old saying, "The perfect is the enemy of the good," applies here. To each his or her own. I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up. ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"
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Rosemarie Chavarria
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I tried AVG years ago and didn't like it because it interfered with speech. I use windows defender. Rosemarie On 9/20/2016 4:53 AM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io wrote:
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Brian's Mail list account
Exactly the same so I rely on the windows solution almost completely and som stand alone bits that I can use if I'm mega suspiciious.
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Walmir Schultz via Groups.io" <wsautodidata@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:53 PM Subject: [nvda] Antivirus Hi, |
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Brian's Mail list account
Cannot you exclude the items from defender as you could in msse? I have allowed a number of hacking tools to exist in 7, with msse simply by changing them to allow in the dialogues after they were detected, but I've not tried this in Defender, I'd have thought the two pieces of software almost idemtical.
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io" <kibayasd@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus Hi. I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows. Cheers. El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata@...> escribió: |
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Brian's Mail list account
Might be worth mentioning this in a ticket for nvda then.
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Angela Delicata" <angeladelicata@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus Avast is more or less usable with Jaws, not NVDA. Best. Angela from Italy Il 20/09/2016 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io ha scritto: Hi, --- Questa e-mail è stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast antivirus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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Brian's Mail list account
Yes, indeed, I found unfortunately that most malware was imported from those come on adverts that offered other downloads. With an ad blocker on you don't get any of that rubbish to distract you. Also if you are of the mind to click links in emails from places you have never heard of, then you deserve what you get.
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus I really don't get the resistance to either Microsoft Security Essentials or Windows Defender, depending on whether you're running Windows 7 or a later version of Windows, respectively. Both are accessible and very serviceable antivirus/antimalware programs. Both offer realtime scanning. Both allow you to set up exclusions to scanning if a program you know to be legitimate is being picked up as part of their scans. No antivirus program or security suite is able to protect you from all possible routes of infection. If you've been interacting with cyberspace for years and aren't routinely getting items quarantined that indicates that your browsing/downloading habits, which are your best defense against infection, are good. If you're getting frequent identification of infections you definitely need to analyze what you're doing (and most often this is something that comes from operator actions) that is causing this and cease and desist or eventually something will get past whatever you're using. -- Brian I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up. ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe" |
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Brian's Mail list account
Yes indeed, most even old outlook Express has a tick box for not letting you access certain content. if you turn this off, you are going to have to be more careful, and I am.
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Its always a trade off between ease of use and safety. the best safety is thinking of what you are going to do and taking a sensible decision. Luckily I have some clunker machines I can isolate from the network if I really want to go to some of the murkier corners of the web. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus Gene, I'm well aware of the many times that both Microsoft Security Essentials and Windows Defender have been "dissed." Even without questioning the motivations you note yourself that they are "tolerable." I'm quite tired of the perpetuation of the myth, and it is a myth, that "the best antivirus software" is what, ultimately, keeps you safe from infection. People who browse and download carelessly virtually always get infections. I have to clean them up as part of my living, so I see this up close and personal all the time and a great many of those people have "the best" antivirus and/or security suite programs. Your best offense against infection is an excellent defense, which means paying attention to where you're traveling in cyberspace and/or what you're downloading. If whatever program you're using as antivirus doesn't do realtime scanning, particularly of e-mail messages if you're using an e-mail client program, before you can even touch them then you need to be using one that does (and that's the generic "you," not you, personally). If accessibility is a concern there are few antivirus programs that are as accessible in all respects as those that come built-in to Windows. Having the ability to control what you need to control is a lot bigger on the practical needs list than what is "the best" in some bench tester's opinion if you ask me. -- Brian I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up. ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe" |
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Nimer Jaber
Hello, I, unfortunately, cannot recommend Microsoft to protect from viruses. Reviews have been middling at best, and I have seen users get issues when running that.Thanks. On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 1:11 PM Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote: Yes indeed, most even old outlook Express has a tick box for not letting you |
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