-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 3:04 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] off topic, who can help me for buying mobile phone with android operating system?

hello every one.
i wish to buy android phone and in general, i really hate social medias and internet programs except firefox!
i need someone who used different versions of firefox, (firefox 56 and earlier with firefox quantum and recent versions of firefox), help me.
what should i do?
i have some questions and specially i need some help from one expert person in android and using firefox.
i really appreciate any help, God bless you all!

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

On 10/30/18, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Blind Phones Groups.io Main Page:  https://groups.io/g/blindphones

e-mail addresses for the group are on that page.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in
ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies —
easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert
workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001
with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole
country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public?
This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson
jurors.*

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely
(Aug/Sept 2005)

On 10/30/18, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hi thanks so much for your advie.
about phone support, i cant get it in iran.
but i try other method.
thanks for your help, God bless you all.

On 10/30/18, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Blind Phones Groups.io Main Page:  https://groups.io/g/blindphones

e-mail addresses for the group are on that page.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in
ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies —
easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert
workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11,
2001
with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole
country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public?
This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J.
Simpson
jurors.*

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah
McNeely
(Aug/Sept 2005)

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 10:04 AM
Subject: [nvda] off topic, who can help me for buying mobile phone with android operating system?

hello every one.
i wish to buy android phone and in general, i really hate social
medias and internet programs except firefox!
i need someone who used different versions of firefox, (firefox 56 and
earlier with firefox quantum and recent versions of firefox), help me.
what should i do?
i have some questions and specially i need some help from one expert
person in android and using firefox.
i really appreciate any help, God bless you all!

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic, who can help me for buying mobile phone with android operating system?


hi thanks so much for your advie.
about phone support, i cant get it in iran.
but i try other method.
thanks for your help, God bless you all.

On 10/30/18, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Blind Phones Groups.io Main Page: https://groups.io/g/blindphones

e-mail addresses for the group are on that page.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in
ignorance. Huge. We now have a country that can be told blatant lies —
easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert
workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001
with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole
country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public?
This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson
jurors.*

~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely
(Aug/Sept 2005)

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

On 10/30/18, mohammad suliman <Mohmad.s93@...> wrote:

Hi zahra,
You may have better luck of getting an answer by asking on eyes free group.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?nomobile=true#!forum/eyes-free
This is the official group of blind android users from google, with many
participants from many countries around the world.
Hope you the best!
Mohammad




On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 at 10:14 zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

thanks brian for your help.
i am afraid to install firefox quantum on android, because i am afraid
of crash and instibility which i observed on windows, again observe on
android.
did you try firefox 57 and 63 on android to see are they stable or
problematic and cause crash like firefox quantum for windows?
thanks again for your email and God bless you!

On 10/30/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:

blindphones list is available in Iran, as I'm almost sure I saw a post
on
there from somebody there some weeks back.
Subscription is the same syntax as here. You get an email back after

your

email and need to reply etc.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic, who can help me for buying mobile phone

with

android operating system?


hi thanks so much for your advie.
about phone support, i cant get it in iran.
but i try other method.
thanks for your help, God bless you all.

On 10/30/18, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Blind Phones Groups.io Main Page: https://groups.io/g/blindphones

e-mail addresses for the group are on that page.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in
ignorance. Huge. We now have a country that can be told blatant lies —
easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert
workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11,
2001
with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole
country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the
public?
This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J.
Simpson
jurors.*

~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely
(Aug/Sept 2005)

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Il 30/10/2018 12:38, zahra ha scritto:

hi.
thanks so much for your suggestion and Allah bless you!

On 10/30/18, mohammad suliman <Mohmad.s93@...> wrote:

Hi zahra,
You may have better luck of getting an answer by asking on eyes free group.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?nomobile=true#!forum/eyes-free
This is the official group of blind android users from google, with many
participants from many countries around the world.
Hope you the best!
Mohammad




On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 at 10:14 zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

thanks brian for your help.
i am afraid to install firefox quantum on android, because i am afraid
of crash and instibility which i observed on windows, again observe on
android.
did you try firefox 57 and 63 on android to see are they stable or
problematic and cause crash like firefox quantum for windows?
thanks again for your email and God bless you!

On 10/30/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:

blindphones list is available in Iran, as I'm almost sure I saw a post
on
there from somebody there some weeks back.
Subscription is the same syntax as here. You get an email back after

your

email and need to reply etc.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic, who can help me for buying mobile phone

with

android operating system?


hi thanks so much for your advie.
about phone support, i cant get it in iran.
but i try other method.
thanks for your help, God bless you all.

On 10/30/18, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Blind Phones Groups.io Main Page: https://groups.io/g/blindphones

e-mail addresses for the group are on that page.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in
ignorance. Huge. We now have a country that can be told blatant lies —
easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert
workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11,
2001
with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole
country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the
public?
This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J.
Simpson
jurors.*

~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely
(Aug/Sept 2005)

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

On 10/30/18, Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:

Hello Zara,


I'd suggest you go for one of the Xiaomi phones, depending on the budget
you have.


If you want a good phone, but have a fairly low budget, then go for
Xiaomi mi a1.


If you have some more money at your disposal, and want an excellent
phone, but still at a relatively contained price, go for Xiaomi mi 8.


hth,

Ollie





Il 30/10/2018 12:38, zahra ha scritto:

hi.
thanks so much for your suggestion and Allah bless you!

On 10/30/18, mohammad suliman <Mohmad.s93@...> wrote:

Hi zahra,
You may have better luck of getting an answer by asking on eyes free
group.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?nomobile=true#!forum/eyes-free
This is the official group of blind android users from google, with many
participants from many countries around the world.
Hope you the best!
Mohammad




On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 at 10:14 zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

thanks brian for your help.
i am afraid to install firefox quantum on android, because i am afraid
of crash and instibility which i observed on windows, again observe on
android.
did you try firefox 57 and 63 on android to see are they stable or
problematic and cause crash like firefox quantum for windows?
thanks again for your email and God bless you!

On 10/30/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:

blindphones list is available in Iran, as I'm almost sure I saw a post
on
there from somebody there some weeks back.
Subscription is the same syntax as here. You get an email back
after

your

email and need to reply etc.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic, who can help me for buying mobile phone

with

android operating system?


hi thanks so much for your advie.
about phone support, i cant get it in iran.
but i try other method.
thanks for your help, God bless you all.

On 10/30/18, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Blind Phones Groups.io Main Page: https://groups.io/g/blindphones

e-mail addresses for the group are on that page.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in
ignorance. Huge. We now have a country that can be told blatant lies
—
easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert
workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September
11,
2001
with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the
whole
country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the
public?
This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J.
Simpson
jurors.*

~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely
(Aug/Sept 2005)

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

On 10/30/18, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

For the most part, Android is Android and the hardware is secondary.

You will not be able to remove most preinstalled programs, as many are
considered to be system programs.  You can, of course, remove them from your
main screen(s) that you interact with, but not from the device itself.  Even
going to great lengths, such as rooting the device, to remove them gains you
nothing, as system space is not switched over to user space anyway.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in
ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies —
easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert
workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001
with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole
country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public?
This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson
jurors.*

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely
(Aug/Sept 2005)

On Tuesday 30 October 2018 at 17:38:55, zahra wrote:

specially i wish to remove facebook and youtube and play store that i
really hate and dont trust, is it possible?

On 10/30/18, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

For the most part, Android is Android and the hardware is secondary.

You will not be able to remove most preinstalled programs, as many are
considered to be system programs. You can, of course, remove them from
your main screen(s) that you interact with, but not from the device
itself. Even going to great lengths, such as rooting the device, to
remove them gains you nothing, as system space is not switched over to
user space anyway.

--

Brian

On 10/30/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:

I don't see how you can expect to even *use* an Android phone if you remove

the Play Store.

And, sorry, but given that the Play Store is Google's marketplace, and that

Google owns Youtube, if you don't trust either of those, why do you want to

get an Android phone at all?


Antony.

On Tuesday 30 October 2018 at 17:38:55, zahra wrote:

specially i wish to remove facebook and youtube and play store that i
really hate and dont trust, is it possible?

On 10/30/18, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

For the most part, Android is Android and the hardware is secondary.

You will not be able to remove most preinstalled programs, as many are
considered to be system programs. You can, of course, remove them from
your main screen(s) that you interact with, but not from the device
itself. Even going to great lengths, such as rooting the device, to
remove them gains you nothing, as system space is not switched over to
user space anyway.

--

Brian

--
Angela Merkel arrives at Paris airport.
"Nationality?" asks the immigration officer.
"German," she replies.
"Occupation?"
"No, just here for a summit conference."

Please reply to the
list;
please *don't* CC
me.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 9:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic, who can help me for buying mobile phone with android operating system?

using and installing apps is easy without play store.
simply i download installer file of my desired programs and install them without forcing to have always the last versions of programs and i can control and use my desired versions of softwares without updating them specially automatic update!
i heard rooting phones is dangerous, but i really wish to remove this apps and use anything that i wish.
and while, i dont trust youtube, play store and facebook etc, i love opensource operating system, i love espeak iven3 and wish to have it!

On 10/30/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:

I don't see how you can expect to even *use* an Android phone if you
remove

the Play Store.

And, sorry, but given that the Play Store is Google's marketplace, and
that

Google owns Youtube, if you don't trust either of those, why do you
want to

get an Android phone at all?


Antony.

On Tuesday 30 October 2018 at 17:38:55, zahra wrote:

specially i wish to remove facebook and youtube and play store that i
really hate and dont trust, is it possible?

On 10/30/18, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

For the most part, Android is Android and the hardware is secondary.

You will not be able to remove most preinstalled programs, as many
are considered to be system programs. You can, of course, remove
them from your main screen(s) that you interact with, but not from
the device itself. Even going to great lengths, such as rooting
the device, to remove them gains you nothing, as system space is
not switched over to user space anyway.

--

Brian

--
Angela Merkel arrives at Paris airport.
"Nationality?" asks the immigration officer.
"German," she replies.
"Occupation?"
"No, just here for a summit conference."

Please reply to the
list;
please
*don't* CC me.

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

On 10/30/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Maybe it's better that you don't even get an android phone. You've already
been told that you can't remove those programs. They're part of the
package.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 9:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic, who can help me for buying mobile phone with
android operating system?

using and installing apps is easy without play store.
simply i download installer file of my desired programs and install them
without forcing to have always the last versions of programs and i can
control and use my desired versions of softwares without updating them
specially automatic update!
i heard rooting phones is dangerous, but i really wish to remove this apps
and use anything that i wish.
and while, i dont trust youtube, play store and facebook etc, i love
opensource operating system, i love espeak iven3 and wish to have it!

On 10/30/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:

I don't see how you can expect to even *use* an Android phone if you
remove

the Play Store.

And, sorry, but given that the Play Store is Google's marketplace, and
that

Google owns Youtube, if you don't trust either of those, why do you
want to

get an Android phone at all?


Antony.

On Tuesday 30 October 2018 at 17:38:55, zahra wrote:

specially i wish to remove facebook and youtube and play store that i
really hate and dont trust, is it possible?

On 10/30/18, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

For the most part, Android is Android and the hardware is secondary.

You will not be able to remove most preinstalled programs, as many
are considered to be system programs. You can, of course, remove
them from your main screen(s) that you interact with, but not from
the device itself. Even going to great lengths, such as rooting
the device, to remove them gains you nothing, as system space is
not switched over to user space anyway.

--

Brian

--
Angela Merkel arrives at Paris airport.
"Nationality?" asks the immigration officer.
"German," she replies.
"Occupation?"
"No, just here for a summit conference."

Please reply to the
list;
please
*don't* CC me.

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 9:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic, who can help me for buying mobile phone with android operating system?

i dont have any opensource operating system except android unfortunately.
what can i buy except android?
moreover, i heard that in android 7 and 8 of samsung phone, most of pre installed programs are removable.
did you experience removing these programs successfully?

On 10/30/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Maybe it's better that you don't even get an android phone. You've
already been told that you can't remove those programs. They're part
of the package.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 9:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic, who can help me for buying mobile phone
with android operating system?

using and installing apps is easy without play store.
simply i download installer file of my desired programs and install
them without forcing to have always the last versions of programs and
i can control and use my desired versions of softwares without
updating them specially automatic update!
i heard rooting phones is dangerous, but i really wish to remove this
apps and use anything that i wish.
and while, i dont trust youtube, play store and facebook etc, i love
opensource operating system, i love espeak iven3 and wish to have it!

On 10/30/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:

I don't see how you can expect to even *use* an Android phone if you
remove

the Play Store.

And, sorry, but given that the Play Store is Google's marketplace,
and that

Google owns Youtube, if you don't trust either of those, why do you
want to

get an Android phone at all?


Antony.

On Tuesday 30 October 2018 at 17:38:55, zahra wrote:

specially i wish to remove facebook and youtube and play store that
i really hate and dont trust, is it possible?

On 10/30/18, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

For the most part, Android is Android and the hardware is secondary.

You will not be able to remove most preinstalled programs, as many
are considered to be system programs. You can, of course, remove
them from your main screen(s) that you interact with, but not from
the device itself. Even going to great lengths, such as rooting
the device, to remove them gains you nothing, as system space is
not switched over to user space anyway.

--

Brian

--
Angela Merkel arrives at Paris airport.
"Nationality?" asks the immigration officer.
"German," she replies.
"Occupation?"
"No, just here for a summit conference."

Please reply to
the list;
please
*don't* CC me.

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Maybe it's better that you don't even get an android phone. You've already been told that you can't remove those programs. They're part of the package.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 9:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic, who can help me for buying mobile phone with android operating system?

using and installing apps is easy without play store.
simply i download installer file of my desired programs and install them without forcing to have always the last versions of programs and i can control and use my desired versions of softwares without updating them specially automatic update!
i heard rooting phones is dangerous, but i really wish to remove this apps and use anything that i wish.
and while, i dont trust youtube, play store and facebook etc, i love opensource operating system, i love espeak iven3 and wish to have it!

On 10/30/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
> I don't see how you can expect to even *use* an Android phone if you
> remove
>
> the Play Store.
>
> And, sorry, but given that the Play Store is Google's marketplace, and
> that
>
> Google owns Youtube, if you don't trust either of those, why do you
> want to
>
> get an Android phone at all?
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Tuesday 30 October 2018 at 17:38:55, zahra wrote:
>
>> specially i wish to remove facebook and youtube and play store that i
>> really hate and dont trust, is it possible?
>>
>> On 10/30/18, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
>> > For the most part, Android is Android and the hardware is secondary.
>> >
>> > You will not be able to remove most preinstalled programs, as many
>> > are considered to be system programs.  You can, of course, remove
>> > them from your main screen(s) that you interact with, but not from
>> > the device itself.  Even going to great lengths, such as rooting
>> > the device, to remove them gains you nothing, as system space is
>> > not switched over to user space anyway.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Brian
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> "Nationality?" asks the immigration officer.
> "German," she replies.
> "Occupation?"
> "No, just here for a summit conference."
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By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali