FireFox Advice from Intopia Article


David Russell
 

Hello Group,

There is a newsletter produced in Australia that comes out a few times
per year called Intopia. I signed up for it around the time Mozilla
came out with Quantum and screen reader users then were advised to
hold off. Here is their take on things as of June 2018.
If, for some reason you can’t upgrade:
• Both Mozilla and Freedom Scientific agree that users of JAWS 17 with
Firefox 57 and higher are likely to get less than satisfactory
performance.
• Users of JAWS 18 with Firefox 57-59 should get reasonable results,
but may encounter some issues.
• The Firefox ESR workaround will not apply for much longer – it is
due to switch to Quantum in September.
• NVDA updates are free and easy to implement individually, but some
people may deliberately be using an older version, for example because
their computer uses an older operating system like Windows Vista, XP
or Windows 7 without Service Pack 1. At this stage, it’s unclear how
well the older NVDA might work with Firefox Quantum browsers.
The bottom line, then, is to upgrade your screen reader to the latest
version and Firefox to its latest version, and things should work as
you expect them to.
If we get further significant information on this issue, we’ll be sure
to bring it to your attention.
My Comment: I would need to buy a Windows 10 machine. Too bad I didn't
take the freebie when offered by the Microsoft Disability Desk a
couple years ago.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com


Gene
 

In dealing with computers and related matters, six months may be a very long time.  Anything you are relying on that is from June of this year can't be relied on if it is discussing such matters.  Product reviews and descriptions of programs will be fine to rely on if the magazine is usually reliable and no significant updates or changes have been made.  But matters like this, where there is a known access problem and where screen-reader designers and Mozilla are working on the problem, information that old can't be relied on.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 2:40 PM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article

Hello Group,

There is a newsletter produced in Australia that comes out a few times
per year called Intopia. I signed up for it around the time Mozilla
came out with Quantum and screen reader users then were advised to
hold off. Here is their take on things as of June 2018.
If, for some reason you can’t upgrade:
• Both Mozilla and Freedom Scientific agree that users of JAWS 17 with
Firefox 57 and higher are likely to get less than satisfactory
performance.
• Users of JAWS 18 with Firefox 57-59 should get reasonable results,
but may encounter some issues.
• The Firefox ESR workaround will not apply for much longer – it is
due to switch to Quantum in September.
• NVDA updates are free and easy to implement individually, but some
people may deliberately be using an older version, for example because
their computer uses an older operating system like Windows Vista, XP
or Windows 7 without Service Pack 1. At this stage, it’s unclear how
well the older NVDA might work with Firefox Quantum browsers.
The bottom line, then, is to upgrade your screen reader to the latest
version and Firefox to its latest version, and things should work as
you expect them to.
If we get further significant information on this issue, we’ll be sure
to bring it to your attention.
My Comment: I would need to buy a Windows 10 machine. Too bad I didn't
take the freebie when offered by the Microsoft Disability Desk a
couple years ago.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...



John Isige
 

Well, here's some up-to-date information instead then. I'm using Firefox
63.0.1 64-bit, NVDA 2018.3.2, Windows Windows 18.03 64-bit, and it works
fine. Even the weird Youtube pauses have pretty much stopped happening.
The only complaint is that some addons, like Noscript, seem to fluctuate
in terms of accessibility, but I'd guess that's more the addons than
Firefox, since before I uninstalled Noscript, it wasn't even showing up
in the right click menu.


I don't seem to have any issues from uninstalling Noscript in terms of
security, and indeed Chrome doesn't have something like Noscript that I
know of, certainly not by default anyway, and nobody's urging people to
add that to Chrome immediately. So I guess it's up to everybody to
decide what they want for security, but for me it's been a few months
with Noscript either disabled or uninstalled, and things seem to be fine.


I won't go so far as to say everything's fixed or anything dumb like
that, especially since there's a lot of stuff I don't use in terms of
addons and such, e.g. I don't get all freaked out that I don't have
download noises, but I'd say that article's absolutely correct for the
majority of users. You can fire up Firefox and pretty much have the
experience you were sued to before Quantum happened. It's possible there
are some edge case issues, around addons for instance, but I'd say by
and large, it's back and working as well as ever, if not better.

On 11/14/2018 15:29, Gene wrote:
In dealing with computers and related matters, six months may be a
very long time.  Anything you are relying on that is from June of this
year can't be relied on if it is discussing such matters.  Product
reviews and descriptions of programs will be fine to rely on if the
magazine is usually reliable and no significant updates or changes
have been made.  But matters like this, where there is a known access
problem and where screen-reader designers and Mozilla are working on
the problem, information that old can't be relied on.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* David Russell <mailto:david.sonofhashem@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 14, 2018 2:40 PM
*To:* nvda <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article

Hello Group,

There is a newsletter produced in Australia that comes out a few times
per year called Intopia. I signed up for it around the time Mozilla
came out with Quantum and screen reader users then were advised to
hold off. Here is their take on things as of June 2018.
If, for some reason you can’t upgrade:
• Both Mozilla and Freedom Scientific agree that users of JAWS 17 with
Firefox 57 and higher are likely to get less than satisfactory
performance.
• Users of JAWS 18 with Firefox 57-59 should get reasonable results,
but may encounter some issues.
• The Firefox ESR workaround will not apply for much longer – it is
due to switch to Quantum in September.
• NVDA updates are free and easy to implement individually, but some
people may deliberately be using an older version, for example because
their computer uses an older operating system like Windows Vista, XP
or Windows 7 without Service Pack 1. At this stage, it’s unclear how
well the older NVDA might work with Firefox Quantum browsers.
The bottom line, then, is to upgrade your screen reader to the latest
version and Firefox to its latest version, and things should work as
you expect them to.
If we get further significant information on this issue, we’ll be sure
to bring it to your attention.
My Comment: I would need to buy a Windows 10 machine. Too bad I didn't
take the freebie when offered by the Microsoft Disability Desk a
couple years ago.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com <mailto:david.sonofhashem@gmail.com>



Gene
 

Do you use NVDA or JAWS? Even very old versions of NVDA work well with Quantum.  I tried it with 13.x.  And if you want to use a relatively new version of NVDA, you can.  It was about a year ago that NVDA stopped supporting Windows 7 if you don't have service pack 1.  If you do, you can use the current NVDA if you want. 
 
I'll let others discuss JAWS.  I almost never use it anymore and I haven't kept it current for years. 
 
You might or might not have been satisfied upgrading to Windows 10 but it certainly isn't necessary to do so to use Quantum. 
 
Also, the magazine is misleading.  You can't run Quantum Firefox in XP.  I don't know if you can using Vista; I haven't seen that discussed. 
 
And the magazine is also inaccurate in its conclusion.  Last June, Quantum still had speed problems for many users.  By the time September came around most NVDA users didn't have speed problems any longer.  I don't know about JAWS and Quantum.  but the magazine made it sound as though if you used Quantum in June, you should be alright if you upgrade your screen-reader to the latest version. 
 
In short, it’s a good idea to check here if you want to know whether such information is accurate and keep in mind that, as I said in a previous message, the information is out of date.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 2:40 PM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article

Hello Group,

There is a newsletter produced in Australia that comes out a few times
per year called Intopia. I signed up for it around the time Mozilla
came out with Quantum and screen reader users then were advised to
hold off. Here is their take on things as of June 2018.
If, for some reason you can’t upgrade:
• Both Mozilla and Freedom Scientific agree that users of JAWS 17 with
Firefox 57 and higher are likely to get less than satisfactory
performance.
• Users of JAWS 18 with Firefox 57-59 should get reasonable results,
but may encounter some issues.
• The Firefox ESR workaround will not apply for much longer – it is
due to switch to Quantum in September.
• NVDA updates are free and easy to implement individually, but some
people may deliberately be using an older version, for example because
their computer uses an older operating system like Windows Vista, XP
or Windows 7 without Service Pack 1. At this stage, it’s unclear how
well the older NVDA might work with Firefox Quantum browsers.
The bottom line, then, is to upgrade your screen reader to the latest
version and Firefox to its latest version, and things should work as
you expect them to.
If we get further significant information on this issue, we’ll be sure
to bring it to your attention.
My Comment: I would need to buy a Windows 10 machine. Too bad I didn't
take the freebie when offered by the Microsoft Disability Desk a
couple years ago.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...



Gene
 

The right click menu must have been removed from NoScript.  You can set the program by working with options in the add ons dialog in firefox.  I don't know why the menu is no longer present.  If it wasn't technically possible to keep it in Quantum then that's just the way things are.  But if it was dropped and it didn't need to be, that was a really bad decision.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: John Isige
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article

Well, here's some up-to-date information instead then. I'm using Firefox
63.0.1 64-bit, NVDA 2018.3.2, Windows Windows 18.03 64-bit, and it works
fine. Even the weird Youtube pauses have pretty much stopped happening.
The only complaint is that some addons, like Noscript, seem to fluctuate
in terms of accessibility, but I'd guess that's more the addons than
Firefox, since before I uninstalled Noscript, it wasn't even showing up
in the right click menu.


I don't seem to have any issues from uninstalling Noscript in terms of
security, and indeed Chrome doesn't have something like Noscript that I
know of, certainly not by default anyway, and nobody's urging people to
add that to Chrome immediately. So I guess it's up to everybody to
decide what they want for security, but for me it's been a few months
with Noscript either disabled or uninstalled, and things seem to be fine.


I won't go so far as to say everything's fixed or anything dumb like
that, especially since there's a lot of stuff I don't use in terms of
addons and such, e.g. I don't get all freaked out that I don't have
download noises, but I'd say that article's absolutely correct for the
majority of users. You can fire up Firefox and pretty much have the
experience you were sued to before Quantum happened. It's possible there
are some edge case issues, around addons for instance, but I'd say by
and large, it's back and working as well as ever, if not better.


On 11/14/2018 15:29, Gene wrote:
> In dealing with computers and related matters, six months may be a
> very long time.  Anything you are relying on that is from June of this
> year can't be relied on if it is discussing such matters.  Product
> reviews and descriptions of programs will be fine to rely on if the
> magazine is usually reliable and no significant updates or changes
> have been made.  But matters like this, where there is a known access
> problem and where screen-reader designers and Mozilla are working on
> the problem, information that old can't be relied on.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* David Russell <mailto:david.sonofhashem@...>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 14, 2018 2:40 PM
> *To:* nvda <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article
>
> Hello Group,
>
> There is a newsletter produced in Australia that comes out a few times
> per year called Intopia. I signed up for it around the time Mozilla
> came out with Quantum and screen reader users then were advised to
> hold off. Here is their take on things as of June 2018.
> If, for some reason you can’t upgrade:
> • Both Mozilla and Freedom Scientific agree that users of JAWS 17 with
> Firefox 57 and higher are likely to get less than satisfactory
> performance.
> • Users of JAWS 18 with Firefox 57-59 should get reasonable results,
> but may encounter some issues.
> • The Firefox ESR workaround will not apply for much longer – it is
> due to switch to Quantum in September.
> • NVDA updates are free and easy to implement individually, but some
> people may deliberately be using an older version, for example because
> their computer uses an older operating system like Windows Vista, XP
> or Windows 7 without Service Pack 1. At this stage, it’s unclear how
> well the older NVDA might work with Firefox Quantum browsers.
> The bottom line, then, is to upgrade your screen reader to the latest
> version and Firefox to its latest version, and things should work as
> you expect them to.
> If we get further significant information on this issue, we’ll be sure
> to bring it to your attention.
> My Comment: I would need to buy a Windows 10 machine. Too bad I didn't
> take the freebie when offered by the Microsoft Disability Desk a
> couple years ago.
>
> --
> David Russell
> david.sonofhashem@... <mailto:david.sonofhashem@...>
>
>
>



Gene
 

I had forgotten that this thread is on the NVDA list.  So you probably use NVDA or mostly. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article

Do you use NVDA or JAWS? Even very old versions of NVDA work well with Quantum.  I tried it with 13.x.  And if you want to use a relatively new version of NVDA, you can.  It was about a year ago that NVDA stopped supporting Windows 7 if you don't have service pack 1.  If you do, you can use the current NVDA if you want. 
 
I'll let others discuss JAWS.  I almost never use it anymore and I haven't kept it current for years. 
 
You might or might not have been satisfied upgrading to Windows 10 but it certainly isn't necessary to do so to use Quantum. 
 
Also, the magazine is misleading.  You can't run Quantum Firefox in XP.  I don't know if you can using Vista; I haven't seen that discussed. 
 
And the magazine is also inaccurate in its conclusion.  Last June, Quantum still had speed problems for many users.  By the time September came around most NVDA users didn't have speed problems any longer.  I don't know about JAWS and Quantum.  but the magazine made it sound as though if you used Quantum in June, you should be alright if you upgrade your screen-reader to the latest version. 
 
In short, it’s a good idea to check here if you want to know whether such information is accurate and keep in mind that, as I said in a previous message, the information is out of date.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 2:40 PM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article

Hello Group,

There is a newsletter produced in Australia that comes out a few times
per year called Intopia. I signed up for it around the time Mozilla
came out with Quantum and screen reader users then were advised to
hold off. Here is their take on things as of June 2018.
If, for some reason you can’t upgrade:
• Both Mozilla and Freedom Scientific agree that users of JAWS 17 with
Firefox 57 and higher are likely to get less than satisfactory
performance.
• Users of JAWS 18 with Firefox 57-59 should get reasonable results,
but may encounter some issues.
• The Firefox ESR workaround will not apply for much longer – it is
due to switch to Quantum in September.
• NVDA updates are free and easy to implement individually, but some
people may deliberately be using an older version, for example because
their computer uses an older operating system like Windows Vista, XP
or Windows 7 without Service Pack 1. At this stage, it’s unclear how
well the older NVDA might work with Firefox Quantum browsers.
The bottom line, then, is to upgrade your screen reader to the latest
version and Firefox to its latest version, and things should work as
you expect them to.
If we get further significant information on this issue, we’ll be sure
to bring it to your attention.
My Comment: I would need to buy a Windows 10 machine. Too bad I didn't
take the freebie when offered by the Microsoft Disability Desk a
couple years ago.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...



Roger Stewart
 

No Script does show up  in the right click menu, but it is no longer accessible--at least I can't figure out how to use it anymore. It used to be very easy to just choose from a list to block, allow, temporarily allow and so on. Now it's interface makes no sense to me and I can no longer use it but this is just the add on itself and not Firefox or nvda.

Roger

On 11/14/2018 3:51 PM, John Isige wrote:
Well, here's some up-to-date information instead then. I'm using Firefox
63.0.1 64-bit, NVDA 2018.3.2, Windows Windows 18.03 64-bit, and it works
fine. Even the weird Youtube pauses have pretty much stopped happening.
The only complaint is that some addons, like Noscript, seem to fluctuate
in terms of accessibility, but I'd guess that's more the addons than
Firefox, since before I uninstalled Noscript, it wasn't even showing up
in the right click menu.


I don't seem to have any issues from uninstalling Noscript in terms of
security, and indeed Chrome doesn't have something like Noscript that I
know of, certainly not by default anyway, and nobody's urging people to
add that to Chrome immediately. So I guess it's up to everybody to
decide what they want for security, but for me it's been a few months
with Noscript either disabled or uninstalled, and things seem to be fine.


I won't go so far as to say everything's fixed or anything dumb like
that, especially since there's a lot of stuff I don't use in terms of
addons and such, e.g. I don't get all freaked out that I don't have
download noises, but I'd say that article's absolutely correct for the
majority of users. You can fire up Firefox and pretty much have the
experience you were sued to before Quantum happened. It's possible there
are some edge case issues, around addons for instance, but I'd say by
and large, it's back and working as well as ever, if not better.


On 11/14/2018 15:29, Gene wrote:
In dealing with computers and related matters, six months may be a
very long time.  Anything you are relying on that is from June of this
year can't be relied on if it is discussing such matters. Product
reviews and descriptions of programs will be fine to rely on if the
magazine is usually reliable and no significant updates or changes
have been made.  But matters like this, where there is a known access
problem and where screen-reader designers and Mozilla are working on
the problem, information that old can't be relied on.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* David Russell <mailto:david.sonofhashem@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 14, 2018 2:40 PM
*To:* nvda <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article

Hello Group,

There is a newsletter produced in Australia that comes out a few times
per year called Intopia. I signed up for it around the time Mozilla
came out with Quantum and screen reader users then were advised to
hold off. Here is their take on things as of June 2018.
If, for some reason you can’t upgrade:
• Both Mozilla and Freedom Scientific agree that users of JAWS 17 with
Firefox 57 and higher are likely to get less than satisfactory
performance.
• Users of JAWS 18 with Firefox 57-59 should get reasonable results,
but may encounter some issues.
• The Firefox ESR workaround will not apply for much longer – it is
due to switch to Quantum in September.
• NVDA updates are free and easy to implement individually, but some
people may deliberately be using an older version, for example because
their computer uses an older operating system like Windows Vista, XP
or Windows 7 without Service Pack 1. At this stage, it’s unclear how
well the older NVDA might work with Firefox Quantum browsers.
The bottom line, then, is to upgrade your screen reader to the latest
version and Firefox to its latest version, and things should work as
you expect them to.
If we get further significant information on this issue, we’ll be sure
to bring it to your attention.
My Comment: I would need to buy a Windows 10 machine. Too bad I didn't
take the freebie when offered by the Microsoft Disability Desk a
couple years ago.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com <mailto:david.sonofhashem@gmail.com>



.


Gene
 

I see nothing about Noscript in the right click menu any longer.  I'm not sure what you see.  Is it a submenu?  Have you looked at the interface in the options for the add-on in the add-ons manager in Firefox?  Do you understand that interface?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article

No Script does show up  in the right click menu, but it is no longer
accessible--at least I can't figure out how to use it anymore. It used
to be very easy to just choose from a list to block, allow, temporarily
allow and so on. Now it's interface makes no sense to me and I can no
longer use it but this is just the add on itself and not Firefox or nvda.

Roger











On 11/14/2018 3:51 PM, John Isige wrote:
> Well, here's some up-to-date information instead then. I'm using Firefox
> 63.0.1 64-bit, NVDA 2018.3.2, Windows Windows 18.03 64-bit, and it works
> fine. Even the weird Youtube pauses have pretty much stopped happening.
> The only complaint is that some addons, like Noscript, seem to fluctuate
> in terms of accessibility, but I'd guess that's more the addons than
> Firefox, since before I uninstalled Noscript, it wasn't even showing up
> in the right click menu.
>
>
> I don't seem to have any issues from uninstalling Noscript in terms of
> security, and indeed Chrome doesn't have something like Noscript that I
> know of, certainly not by default anyway, and nobody's urging people to
> add that to Chrome immediately. So I guess it's up to everybody to
> decide what they want for security, but for me it's been a few months
> with Noscript either disabled or uninstalled, and things seem to be fine.
>
>
> I won't go so far as to say everything's fixed or anything dumb like
> that, especially since there's a lot of stuff I don't use in terms of
> addons and such, e.g. I don't get all freaked out that I don't have
> download noises, but I'd say that article's absolutely correct for the
> majority of users. You can fire up Firefox and pretty much have the
> experience you were sued to before Quantum happened. It's possible there
> are some edge case issues, around addons for instance, but I'd say by
> and large, it's back and working as well as ever, if not better.
>
>
> On 11/14/2018 15:29, Gene wrote:
>> In dealing with computers and related matters, six months may be a
>> very long time.  Anything you are relying on that is from June of this
>> year can't be relied on if it is discussing such matters. Product
>> reviews and descriptions of programs will be fine to rely on if the
>> magazine is usually reliable and no significant updates or changes
>> have been made.  But matters like this, where there is a known access
>> problem and where screen-reader designers and Mozilla are working on
>> the problem, information that old can't be relied on.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* David Russell <mailto:david.sonofhashem@...>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 14, 2018 2:40 PM
>> *To:* nvda <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article
>>
>> Hello Group,
>>
>> There is a newsletter produced in Australia that comes out a few times
>> per year called Intopia. I signed up for it around the time Mozilla
>> came out with Quantum and screen reader users then were advised to
>> hold off. Here is their take on things as of June 2018.
>> If, for some reason you can’t upgrade:
>> • Both Mozilla and Freedom Scientific agree that users of JAWS 17 with
>> Firefox 57 and higher are likely to get less than satisfactory
>> performance.
>> • Users of JAWS 18 with Firefox 57-59 should get reasonable results,
>> but may encounter some issues.
>> • The Firefox ESR workaround will not apply for much longer – it is
>> due to switch to Quantum in September.
>> • NVDA updates are free and easy to implement individually, but some
>> people may deliberately be using an older version, for example because
>> their computer uses an older operating system like Windows Vista, XP
>> or Windows 7 without Service Pack 1. At this stage, it’s unclear how
>> well the older NVDA might work with Firefox Quantum browsers.
>> The bottom line, then, is to upgrade your screen reader to the latest
>> version and Firefox to its latest version, and things should work as
>> you expect them to.
>> If we get further significant information on this issue, we’ll be sure
>> to bring it to your attention.
>> My Comment: I would need to buy a Windows 10 machine. Too bad I didn't
>> take the freebie when offered by the Microsoft Disability Desk a
>> couple years ago.
>>
>> --
>> David Russell
>> david.sonofhashem@... <mailto:david.sonofhashem@...>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> .
>




Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

So if you use Windows 7sp1 as I do there really is no problems.
I have Firefox 63.01 and it works. As I've said before only the lack of audio cues is why I use Waterfox. Waterfox has had very recent security updates. I'm not saying its as secure as Quantum as it uses the old rendering engine, but it seems to be supported by all the sites I've visited and behaves better with old add ons which are now on their own site and some writers seem to be updating there rather than writing quantum versions for Firefox

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com>
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 8:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article


Hello Group,

There is a newsletter produced in Australia that comes out a few times
per year called Intopia. I signed up for it around the time Mozilla
came out with Quantum and screen reader users then were advised to
hold off. Here is their take on things as of June 2018.
If, for some reason you can’t upgrade:
• Both Mozilla and Freedom Scientific agree that users of JAWS 17 with
Firefox 57 and higher are likely to get less than satisfactory
performance.
• Users of JAWS 18 with Firefox 57-59 should get reasonable results,
but may encounter some issues.
• The Firefox ESR workaround will not apply for much longer – it is
due to switch to Quantum in September.
• NVDA updates are free and easy to implement individually, but some
people may deliberately be using an older version, for example because
their computer uses an older operating system like Windows Vista, XP
or Windows 7 without Service Pack 1. At this stage, it’s unclear how
well the older NVDA might work with Firefox Quantum browsers.
The bottom line, then, is to upgrade your screen reader to the latest
version and Firefox to its latest version, and things should work as
you expect them to.
If we get further significant information on this issue, we’ll be sure
to bring it to your attention.
My Comment: I would need to buy a Windows 10 machine. Too bad I didn't
take the freebie when offered by the Microsoft Disability Desk a
couple years ago.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com


 

gene,
firefox quantum supports windows seven and later and mozilla company
dropped supporting xp and vista together since firefox 53!

On 11/15/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
So if you use Windows 7sp1 as I do there really is no problems.
I have Firefox 63.01 and it works. As I've said before only the lack of
audio cues is why I use Waterfox. Waterfox has had very recent security
updates. I'm not saying its as secure as Quantum as it uses the old
rendering engine, but it seems to be supported by all the sites I've visited

and behaves better with old add ons which are now on their own site and some

writers seem to be updating there rather than writing quantum versions for
Firefox

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com>
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 8:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article


Hello Group,

There is a newsletter produced in Australia that comes out a few times
per year called Intopia. I signed up for it around the time Mozilla
came out with Quantum and screen reader users then were advised to
hold off. Here is their take on things as of June 2018.
If, for some reason you can’t upgrade:
• Both Mozilla and Freedom Scientific agree that users of JAWS 17 with
Firefox 57 and higher are likely to get less than satisfactory
performance.
• Users of JAWS 18 with Firefox 57-59 should get reasonable results,
but may encounter some issues.
• The Firefox ESR workaround will not apply for much longer – it is
due to switch to Quantum in September.
• NVDA updates are free and easy to implement individually, but some
people may deliberately be using an older version, for example because
their computer uses an older operating system like Windows Vista, XP
or Windows 7 without Service Pack 1. At this stage, it’s unclear how
well the older NVDA might work with Firefox Quantum browsers.
The bottom line, then, is to upgrade your screen reader to the latest
version and Firefox to its latest version, and things should work as
you expect them to.
If we get further significant information on this issue, we’ll be sure
to bring it to your attention.
My Comment: I would need to buy a Windows 10 machine. Too bad I didn't
take the freebie when offered by the Microsoft Disability Desk a
couple years ago.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Gene
 

please check to see who sent you messages.  You are replying to me from a message sent by Brian.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article

gene,
firefox quantum supports windows seven and later and mozilla company
dropped supporting xp and vista together since firefox 53!

On 11/15/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
> So if you use Windows 7sp1 as I do there really is no problems.
>  I have Firefox 63.01 and it works. As I've said before only the lack of
> audio cues is why I use Waterfox. Waterfox has had very recent security
> updates. I'm not saying its  as secure as Quantum as it uses the old
> rendering engine, but it seems to be supported by all the sites I've visited
>
> and behaves better with old add ons which are now on their own site and some
>
> writers seem to be updating there rather than writing quantum versions for
> Firefox
>
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@...>
> To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 8:40 PM
> Subject: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article
>
>
> Hello Group,
>
> There is a newsletter produced in Australia that comes out a few times
> per year called Intopia. I signed up for it around the time Mozilla
> came out with Quantum and screen reader users then were advised to
> hold off. Here is their take on things as of June 2018.
> If, for some reason you can’t upgrade:
> • Both Mozilla and Freedom Scientific agree that users of JAWS 17 with
> Firefox 57 and higher are likely to get less than satisfactory
> performance.
> • Users of JAWS 18 with Firefox 57-59 should get reasonable results,
> but may encounter some issues.
> • The Firefox ESR workaround will not apply for much longer – it is
> due to switch to Quantum in September.
> • NVDA updates are free and easy to implement individually, but some
> people may deliberately be using an older version, for example because
> their computer uses an older operating system like Windows Vista, XP
> or Windows 7 without Service Pack 1. At this stage, it’s unclear how
> well the older NVDA might work with Firefox Quantum browsers.
> The bottom line, then, is to upgrade your screen reader to the latest
> version and Firefox to its latest version, and things should work as
> you expect them to.
> If we get further significant information on this issue, we’ll be sure
> to bring it to your attention.
> My Comment: I would need to buy a Windows 10 machine. Too bad I didn't
> take the freebie when offered by the Microsoft Disability Desk a
> couple years ago.
>
> --
> David Russell
> david.sonofhashem@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



 

as i told before, i dont know how to send message for someone directly,
and write my messages in a way that my audiance can knows, i call him or her.

On 11/15/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
please check to see who sent you messages. You are replying to me from a
message sent by Brian.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 5:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article


gene,
firefox quantum supports windows seven and later and mozilla company
dropped supporting xp and vista together since firefox 53!

On 11/15/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
So if you use Windows 7sp1 as I do there really is no problems.
I have Firefox 63.01 and it works. As I've said before only the lack of
audio cues is why I use Waterfox. Waterfox has had very recent security
updates. I'm not saying its as secure as Quantum as it uses the old
rendering engine, but it seems to be supported by all the sites I've
visited

and behaves better with old add ons which are now on their own site and
some

writers seem to be updating there rather than writing quantum versions
for
Firefox

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com>
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 8:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article


Hello Group,

There is a newsletter produced in Australia that comes out a few times
per year called Intopia. I signed up for it around the time Mozilla
came out with Quantum and screen reader users then were advised to
hold off. Here is their take on things as of June 2018.
If, for some reason you can’t upgrade:
• Both Mozilla and Freedom Scientific agree that users of JAWS 17 with
Firefox 57 and higher are likely to get less than satisfactory
performance.
• Users of JAWS 18 with Firefox 57-59 should get reasonable results,
but may encounter some issues.
• The Firefox ESR workaround will not apply for much longer – it is
due to switch to Quantum in September.
• NVDA updates are free and easy to implement individually, but some
people may deliberately be using an older version, for example because
their computer uses an older operating system like Windows Vista, XP
or Windows 7 without Service Pack 1. At this stage, it’s unclear how
well the older NVDA might work with Firefox Quantum browsers.
The bottom line, then, is to upgrade your screen reader to the latest
version and Firefox to its latest version, and things should work as
you expect them to.
If we get further significant information on this issue, we’ll be sure
to bring it to your attention.
My Comment: I would need to buy a Windows 10 machine. Too bad I didn't
take the freebie when offered by the Microsoft Disability Desk a
couple years ago.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Gene
 

I'm not talking about sending a message directly.  You replied to a comment Brian made and replied to me, as though I made the comment.  You don't usually do this.  I made my comment because you did this time.  My comment may not matter since you don't do this regularly.  it may just be a one time mistake. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article

as i told before, i dont know how to send message for someone directly,
and write my messages in a way that my audiance can knows, i call him or her.

On 11/15/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> please check to see who sent you messages.  You are replying to me from a
> message sent by Brian.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: zahra
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 5:24 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article
>
>
> gene,
> firefox quantum supports windows seven and later and mozilla company
> dropped supporting xp and vista together since firefox 53!
>
> On 11/15/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> <bglists@...> wrote:
>> So if you use Windows 7sp1 as I do there really is no problems.
>>  I have Firefox 63.01 and it works. As I've said before only the lack of
>> audio cues is why I use Waterfox. Waterfox has had very recent security
>> updates. I'm not saying its  as secure as Quantum as it uses the old
>> rendering engine, but it seems to be supported by all the sites I've
>> visited
>>
>> and behaves better with old add ons which are now on their own site and
>> some
>>
>> writers seem to be updating there rather than writing quantum versions
>> for
>> Firefox
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@...>
>> To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 8:40 PM
>> Subject: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article
>>
>>
>> Hello Group,
>>
>> There is a newsletter produced in Australia that comes out a few times
>> per year called Intopia. I signed up for it around the time Mozilla
>> came out with Quantum and screen reader users then were advised to
>> hold off. Here is their take on things as of June 2018.
>> If, for some reason you can’t upgrade:
>> • Both Mozilla and Freedom Scientific agree that users of JAWS 17 with
>> Firefox 57 and higher are likely to get less than satisfactory
>> performance.
>> • Users of JAWS 18 with Firefox 57-59 should get reasonable results,
>> but may encounter some issues.
>> • The Firefox ESR workaround will not apply for much longer – it is
>> due to switch to Quantum in September.
>> • NVDA updates are free and easy to implement individually, but some
>> people may deliberately be using an older version, for example because
>> their computer uses an older operating system like Windows Vista, XP
>> or Windows 7 without Service Pack 1. At this stage, it’s unclear how
>> well the older NVDA might work with Firefox Quantum browsers.
>> The bottom line, then, is to upgrade your screen reader to the latest
>> version and Firefox to its latest version, and things should work as
>> you expect them to.
>> If we get further significant information on this issue, we’ll be sure
>> to bring it to your attention.
>> My Comment: I would need to buy a Windows 10 machine. Too bad I didn't
>> take the freebie when offered by the Microsoft Disability Desk a
>> couple years ago.
>>
>> --
>> David Russell
>> david.sonofhashem@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> By God,
> were I given all the seven heavens
> with all they contain
> in order that
> I may disobey God
> by depriving an ant
> from the husk of a grain of barley,
> I would not do it.
> imam ali
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



 

thanks gene for your clarification.
when i open one email and want to reply, i just press e and nvda says
edit multiline.
then i write my message and press tab and enter on send button.

On 11/15/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not talking about sending a message directly. You replied to a comment
Brian made and replied to me, as though I made the comment. You don't
usually do this. I made my comment because you did this time. My comment
may not matter since you don't do this regularly. it may just be a one time
mistake.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 6:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article


as i told before, i dont know how to send message for someone directly,
and write my messages in a way that my audiance can knows, i call him or
her.

On 11/15/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
please check to see who sent you messages. You are replying to me from a
message sent by Brian.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 5:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article


gene,
firefox quantum supports windows seven and later and mozilla company
dropped supporting xp and vista together since firefox 53!

On 11/15/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
So if you use Windows 7sp1 as I do there really is no problems.
I have Firefox 63.01 and it works. As I've said before only the lack of
audio cues is why I use Waterfox. Waterfox has had very recent security
updates. I'm not saying its as secure as Quantum as it uses the old
rendering engine, but it seems to be supported by all the sites I've
visited

and behaves better with old add ons which are now on their own site and
some

writers seem to be updating there rather than writing quantum versions
for
Firefox

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com>
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 8:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article


Hello Group,

There is a newsletter produced in Australia that comes out a few times
per year called Intopia. I signed up for it around the time Mozilla
came out with Quantum and screen reader users then were advised to
hold off. Here is their take on things as of June 2018.
If, for some reason you can’t upgrade:
• Both Mozilla and Freedom Scientific agree that users of JAWS 17 with
Firefox 57 and higher are likely to get less than satisfactory
performance.
• Users of JAWS 18 with Firefox 57-59 should get reasonable results,
but may encounter some issues.
• The Firefox ESR workaround will not apply for much longer – it is
due to switch to Quantum in September.
• NVDA updates are free and easy to implement individually, but some
people may deliberately be using an older version, for example because
their computer uses an older operating system like Windows Vista, XP
or Windows 7 without Service Pack 1. At this stage, it’s unclear how
well the older NVDA might work with Firefox Quantum browsers.
The bottom line, then, is to upgrade your screen reader to the latest
version and Firefox to its latest version, and things should work as
you expect them to.
If we get further significant information on this issue, we’ll be sure
to bring it to your attention.
My Comment: I would need to buy a Windows 10 machine. Too bad I didn't
take the freebie when offered by the Microsoft Disability Desk a
couple years ago.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali