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Joshua Crary <JCrary@...>
Some people who are low vision and do not visually see spelling develop poor spelling skills over time, as we do not have the visual reminder on daily basis on
how to spell something correctly.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 11:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
I'm writing as a moderator to explain my thinking about the message. Of course, if the owner disagrees, that will be the controling decision.
While it is generally not done and not considered proper, I think you are overreacting. For one thing, I see this error with native English speakers. I don't recall seeing
it with non native speakers. Since this sort of discussion never takes place on the list, I let it pass. a little variety is enjoyable and may stimulate thought and awareness. No one was flamed. No one was disparaged. These days, being offended by everything
is a cultural passtime and fixsture. I don't see anything offensive in the message.
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Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
Hello Travis:
I find your email to be quite insensitive. As you are probably aware, this
list is comprised of people from all over the globe, many of whom are not
native English speakers. I am always impressed when people are capable of
speaking an additional language other than their native tongue and
criticizing them for grammatical mistakes on a list not focused on
grammatical correctness is petty and unwarranted. It is also off topic.
Rick
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 12:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
Not trying to make anybody mad here, but it really is disconcerting to see
so many people here using wander and wonder interchangeably.
Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when you're out and about, and don't
have any particular place to be, and you just feel like taking your time to
see what's going on around you. You wander around, looking at things, and
simply taking things easy.
On the other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you do when you're curious
about something. Yeah, it's ok to wonder about life, the universe and
everything, but if you wander about such things, you may never find your way
back to your back yard, having being swept off into galaxies unknown.
And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder about wandering too,
especially if you're wondering why so many people wander into things.
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Sarah k Alawami
Yeah. When I was learning braille and had to type in print I tried to type their and could not spell it as I had learned dot 4 5 6 t h e. And not t h e i r. No one ever taught me how to spell and it hurts me 30 odd years later. Story of my younger life eh?
Take care
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On 19 Nov 2018, at 8:22, Joshua Crary wrote:
Some people who are low vision and do not visually see spelling develop poor spelling skills over time, as we do not have the visual reminder on daily basis on
how to spell something correctly.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 11:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
I'm writing as a moderator to explain my thinking about the message. Of course, if the owner disagrees, that will be the controling decision.
While it is generally not done and not considered proper, I think you are overreacting. For one thing, I see this error with native English speakers. I don't recall seeing
it with non native speakers. Since this sort of discussion never takes place on the list, I let it pass. a little variety is enjoyable and may stimulate thought and awareness. No one was flamed. No one was disparaged. These days, being offended by everything
is a cultural passtime and fixsture. I don't see anything offensive in the message.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
Hello Travis:
I find your email to be quite insensitive. As you are probably aware, this
list is comprised of people from all over the globe, many of whom are not
native English speakers. I am always impressed when people are capable of
speaking an additional language other than their native tongue and
criticizing them for grammatical mistakes on a list not focused on
grammatical correctness is petty and unwarranted. It is also off topic.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 12:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
Not trying to make anybody mad here, but it really is disconcerting to see
so many people here using wander and wonder interchangeably.
Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when you're out and about, and don't
have any particular place to be, and you just feel like taking your time to
see what's going on around you. You wander around, looking at things, and
simply taking things easy.
On the other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you do when you're curious
about something. Yeah, it's ok to wonder about life, the universe and
everything, but if you wander about such things, you may never find your way
back to your back yard, having being swept off into galaxies unknown.
And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder about wandering too,
especially if you're wondering why so many people wander into things.
Caution: This email originated from outside of Roxbury Community College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.
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I was fortunate to have a teacher who placed emphasis on spelling
as well as learning the braille contractions. A friend of mine
went to a school for the blind where the teachers there didn't
think of the importance of good spelling. Her mother was helping
her with her homework and asked her "how do you spell Their?". She
answered something like "dot 4 5 6 the sign". Her mother answered
"no. It's t h e i r".
On 11/19/2018 8:22 AM, Joshua Crary
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Some people who are low vision and do
not visually see spelling develop poor spelling skills over
time, as we do not have the visual reminder on daily basis
on how to spell something correctly.
I'm writing as a moderator to
explain my thinking about the message. Of course, if the
owner disagrees, that will be the controling decision.
While it is generally not done and
not considered proper, I think you are overreacting. For
one thing, I see this error with native English speakers.
I don't recall seeing it with non native speakers. Since
this sort of discussion never takes place on the list, I
let it pass. a little variety is enjoyable and may
stimulate thought and awareness. No one was flamed. No
one was disparaged. These days, being offended by
everything is a cultural passtime and fixsture. I don't
see anything offensive in the message.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent:
Monday, November 19, 2018 5:21 AM
Subject:
Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
Hello Travis:
I find your email to be quite insensitive. As you are probably
aware, this
list is comprised of people from all over the globe, many of
whom are not
native English speakers. I am always impressed when people are
capable of
speaking an additional language other than their native tongue
and
criticizing them for grammatical mistakes on a list not
focused on
grammatical correctness is petty and unwarranted. It is also
off topic.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 12:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
Not trying to make anybody mad here, but it really is
disconcerting to see
so many people here using wander and wonder interchangeably.
Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when you're out and about,
and don't
have any particular place to be, and you just feel like taking
your time to
see what's going on around you. You wander around, looking at
things, and
simply taking things easy.
On the other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you do when
you're curious
about something. Yeah, it's ok to wonder about life, the
universe and
everything, but if you wander about such things, you may never
find your way
back to your back yard, having being swept off into galaxies
unknown.
And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder about
wandering too,
especially if you're wondering why so many people wander into
things.
Caution: This email originated from outside
of Roxbury Community College. Do not click links or open
attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the
content is safe.
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Having learned directly Grade2 Braille, can you guys believe when I started using a computer, I didn’t know how to spell father? Also the difference between their dots456]the/sign, versus there dot5]the/sign is easy for me at least, to remember> there as using the same sign as here, and their. Make sense? Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10 Yeah. When I was learning braille and had to type in print I tried to type their and could not spell it as I had learned dot 4 5 6 t h e. And not t h e i r. No one ever taught me how to spell and it hurts me 30 odd years later. Story of my younger life eh? Take care
On 19 Nov 2018, at 8:22, Joshua Crary wrote: Some people who are low vision and do not visually see spelling develop poor spelling skills over time, as we do not have the visual reminder on daily basis on how to spell something correctly. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 11:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander I'm writing as a moderator to explain my thinking about the message. Of course, if the owner disagrees, that will be the controling decision. While it is generally not done and not considered proper, I think you are overreacting. For one thing, I see this error with native English speakers. I don't recall seeing it with non native speakers. Since this sort of discussion never takes place on the list, I let it pass. a little variety is enjoyable and may stimulate thought and awareness. No one was flamed. No one was disparaged. These days, being offended by everything is a cultural passtime and fixsture. I don't see anything offensive in the message. ----- Original Message ----- ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander Hello Travis:
I find your email to be quite insensitive. As you are probably aware, this
list is comprised of people from all over the globe, many of whom are not
native English speakers. I am always impressed when people are capable of
speaking an additional language other than their native tongue and
criticizing them for grammatical mistakes on a list not focused on
grammatical correctness is petty and unwarranted. It is also off topic.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 12:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
Not trying to make anybody mad here, but it really is disconcerting to see
so many people here using wander and wonder interchangeably.
Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when you're out and about, and don't
have any particular place to be, and you just feel like taking your time to
see what's going on around you. You wander around, looking at things, and
simply taking things easy.
On the other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you do when you're curious
about something. Yeah, it's ok to wonder about life, the universe and
everything, but if you wander about such things, you may never find your way
back to your back yard, having being swept off into galaxies unknown.
And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder about wandering too,
especially if you're wondering why so many people wander into things.
Caution: This email originated from outside of Roxbury Community College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.
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This message may be somewhat difficult to read with
speech.
It is just negligent not to teach people what
the signs standd for. You do spell that version of the word t h e I r with
dots 4-5-6 the sign. But if students were taught that dots 4-5-6 stand for
e I r, they would be able to figure out print spellings. Also, 4-5-6
followed by m causes 4-5-6 to stand for a n y. Thus, the word many, 4-5-6
followed by m. Germany, G e r sign dots 4-5-6- m. Ger plus a n y
sign followed by m.
Dot 5 is o n e when followed by an o. M
dot 5 ony, money. H dot 5 ony, honey. Dot 5 o one. G dot 5 o g
o n e, gone.
What we are discussing is just one more sign of
incompetence and inferior education some, perhaps many, blind children
receive, and guess who ends up looking incompetent, whyich is blamed by the
sighted world on blindness? Not the teacher.
Gene
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Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
Having learned directly Grade2 Braille, can you guys believe
when I started using a computer, I didn’t know how to spell father? Also the
difference between their dots456]the/sign, versus there dot5]the/sign is easy
for me at least, to remember> there as using the same sign as here, and
their. Make sense?
Enviado desde Correo para Windows
10
Yeah. When I was learning
braille and had to type in print I tried to type their and could not spell it as
I had learned dot 4 5 6 t h e. And not t h e i r. No one ever taught me how to
spell and it hurts me 30 odd years later. Story of my younger life
eh?
Take care
On 19 Nov 2018, at 8:22, Joshua
Crary wrote:
Some people who are low vision and
do not visually see spelling develop poor spelling skills over time, as we do
not have the visual reminder on daily basis on how to spell something
correctly.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday,
November 19, 2018 11:16 AM
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] wonder vs.
wander
I'm writing as a moderator to explain my thinking about the
message. Of course, if the owner disagrees, that will be the controling
decision.
While it is generally not done and not considered proper, I think
you are overreacting. For one thing, I see this error with native
English speakers. I don't recall seeing it with non native
speakers. Since this sort of discussion never takes place on the list, I
let it pass. a little variety is enjoyable and may stimulate thought and
awareness. No one was flamed. No one was disparaged. These
days, being offended by everything is a cultural passtime and fixsture.
I don't see anything offensive in the message.
----- Original Message -----
-----
Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
Hello Travis:
I find your email to be quite insensitive. As
you are probably aware, this
list is comprised of people from all over the
globe, many of whom are not
native English speakers. I am always impressed
when people are capable of
speaking an additional language other than their
native tongue and
criticizing them for grammatical mistakes on a list not
focused on
grammatical correctness is petty and unwarranted. It is also off
topic.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Travis Siegel
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 12:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda]
wonder vs. wander
Not trying to make anybody mad here, but it really is
disconcerting to see
so many people here using wander and wonder
interchangeably.
Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when you're out and
about, and don't
have any particular place to be, and you just feel like
taking your time to
see what's going on around you. You wander
around, looking at things, and
simply taking things easy.
On the other
hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you do when you're curious
about
something. Yeah, it's ok to wonder about life, the universe
and
everything, but if you wander about such things, you may never find
your way
back to your back yard, having being swept off into galaxies
unknown.
And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder about
wandering too,
especially if you're wondering why so many people wander
into things.
Caution: This email originated from outside of Roxbury Community
College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the
sender and know the content is safe.
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One of the advantages for me as a kid in school was that I was
made to write out the spelling words in grade one Braille, both
when words were introduced to me and during spelling tests. I'd
have received a failing grade if I'd written the words in Grade
two. I'm thankful I was taught that way. Oh, I could use the Grade
two spellings otherwise, but during speling tests, that was a huge
no-no! but that was over thirty years ago and I'm sure that's
probably changed. that said, though, I'm very critical of
myself--I want my messages to be clear and concise. when it comes
to others, though, I don't expect perfection because not everyone
learns the same way and as others have pointed out, with English
possibly being a second language for a lot of people on this list,
you're going to have speling errors. I don't use spellcheck. Like
Gene, I rrreread my emails, texts, etc., to make certain they're
clear,and if I don't hear any errors, then they're sent.
Annette
On 11/19/2018 11:26 AM, Sarah k Alawami
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Yeah. When I was learning braille and had to
type in print I tried to type their and could not spell it
as I had learned dot 4 5 6 t h e. And not t h e i r. No one
ever taught me how to spell and it hurts me 30 odd years
later. Story of my younger life eh?
Take care
On 19 Nov 2018, at 8:22, Joshua Crary wrote:
Some people who are low vision and do not
visually see spelling develop poor spelling skills
over time, as we do not have the visual reminder on
daily basis on how to spell something correctly.
I'm writing as a moderator to explain my
thinking about the message. Of course, if the
owner disagrees, that will be the controling
decision.
While it is generally not done and not
considered proper, I think you are overreacting.
For one thing, I see this error with native
English speakers. I don't recall seeing it with
non native speakers. Since this sort of
discussion never takes place on the list, I let it
pass. a little variety is enjoyable and may
stimulate thought and awareness. No one was
flamed. No one was disparaged. These days, being
offended by everything is a cultural passtime and
fixsture. I don't see anything offensive in the
message.
----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday,
November 19, 2018 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda]
wonder vs. wander
Hello Travis:
I find your email to be quite insensitive. As you are
probably aware, this
list is comprised of people from all over the globe,
many of whom are not
native English speakers. I am always impressed when
people are capable of
speaking an additional language other than their
native tongue and
criticizing them for grammatical mistakes on a list
not focused on
grammatical correctness is petty and unwarranted. It
is also off topic.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 12:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
Not trying to make anybody mad here, but it really is
disconcerting to see
so many people here using wander and wonder
interchangeably.
Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when you're out
and about, and don't
have any particular place to be, and you just feel
like taking your time to
see what's going on around you. You wander around,
looking at things, and
simply taking things easy.
On the other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you
do when you're curious
about something. Yeah, it's ok to wonder about life,
the universe and
everything, but if you wander about such things, you
may never find your way
back to your back yard, having being swept off into
galaxies unknown.
And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder
about wandering too,
especially if you're wondering why so many people
wander into things.
Caution: This email originated from outside of
Roxbury Community College. Do not click links or open
attachments unless you recognize the sender and know
the content is safe.
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Hi, Annette,
I used to be a medical transcriber years ago and at that time we
didn't have the technology we have now. You had to be both a
top-notch typist and speller. Spelling medical words can be tricky
at times. I'm glad I had a medical dictionary which helped a lot.
Rosemarie
On 11/19/2018 12:47 PM, Annette Moore
wrote:
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One of the advantages for me as a kid in school was that I was
made to write out the spelling words in grade one Braille, both
when words were introduced to me and during spelling tests. I'd
have received a failing grade if I'd written the words in Grade
two. I'm thankful I was taught that way. Oh, I could use the
Grade two spellings otherwise, but during speling tests, that
was a huge no-no! but that was over thirty years ago and I'm
sure that's probably changed. that said, though, I'm very
critical of myself--I want my messages to be clear and concise.
when it comes to others, though, I don't expect perfection
because not everyone learns the same way and as others have
pointed out, with English possibly being a second language for a
lot of people on this list, you're going to have speling errors.
I don't use spellcheck. Like Gene, I rrreread my emails, texts,
etc., to make certain they're clear,and if I don't hear any
errors, then they're sent.
Annette
On 11/19/2018 11:26 AM, Sarah k
Alawami wrote:
Yeah. When I was learning braille and had to
type in print I tried to type their and could not spell it
as I had learned dot 4 5 6 t h e. And not t h e i r. No
one ever taught me how to spell and it hurts me 30 odd
years later. Story of my younger life eh?
Take care
On 19 Nov 2018, at 8:22, Joshua Crary wrote:
Some people who are low vision and do not
visually see spelling develop poor spelling skills
over time, as we do not have the visual reminder
on daily basis on how to spell something
correctly.
I'm writing as a moderator to explain my
thinking about the message. Of course, if the
owner disagrees, that will be the controling
decision.
While it is generally not done and not
considered proper, I think you are
overreacting. For one thing, I see this error
with native English speakers. I don't recall
seeing it with non native speakers. Since this
sort of discussion never takes place on the
list, I let it pass. a little variety is
enjoyable and may stimulate thought and
awareness. No one was flamed. No one was
disparaged. These days, being offended by
everything is a cultural passtime and fixsture.
I don't see anything offensive in the message.
----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday,
November 19, 2018 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda]
wonder vs. wander
Hello Travis:
I find your email to be quite insensitive. As you
are probably aware, this
list is comprised of people from all over the globe,
many of whom are not
native English speakers. I am always impressed when
people are capable of
speaking an additional language other than their
native tongue and
criticizing them for grammatical mistakes on a list
not focused on
grammatical correctness is petty and unwarranted. It
is also off topic.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
<nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 12:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] wonder vs. wander
Not trying to make anybody mad here, but it really
is disconcerting to see
so many people here using wander and wonder
interchangeably.
Wander (with an"A" ) is what you do when you're out
and about, and don't
have any particular place to be, and you just feel
like taking your time to
see what's going on around you. You wander around,
looking at things, and
simply taking things easy.
On the other hand, wonder (with an "O" ) is what you
do when you're curious
about something. Yeah, it's ok to wonder about
life, the universe and
everything, but if you wander about such things, you
may never find your way
back to your back yard, having being swept off into
galaxies unknown.
And, of course, it's perfectly acceptable to wonder
about wandering too,
especially if you're wondering why so many people
wander into things.
Caution: This email originated from outside of
Roxbury Community College. Do not click links or
open attachments unless you recognize the sender and
know the content is safe.
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