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John J. Boyer #50875 Do the displays show a power-on message when they are connected? You will also have to restart NVDA. John toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 03:20:23PM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote: This is from the 2018.3.2 user guide. "NVDA supports most displays from Handy Tech when connected via USB, serial port or bluetooth. For older USB displays, you will need to install the USB drivers from Handy Tech on your system. The following displays are not supported out of the box, but can be used via Handy Tech's universal driver and NVDA add-on: • Braillino • Bookworm • Modular displays with firmware version 1.13 or lower. Please note that the firmware of this displays can be updated." I installed the Handy Tech Universal driver, but neither Braillino nor Handy Tech show under displays. I would think that this is because it's not connected, but none of the others are and they still show. In 2017.3, it shows Handy Tech, but the User Guide still says that, for older models, the driver is required. I need to be 100% sure that the Braillino will work with NVDA or there is no reason for me to buy it. On 21/11/2018, Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@...> wrote: No. I cannot borrow any of these displays. The Pacmate is being sold on Ebay. On 21/11/2018, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@...> wrote: Hi Eleni, Can you borrow the Pac mate display and try the Koine table? If it isn't satisfactory your best recourse is the liblouis list. They are very helpful and are interested in getting more tables. John On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:24:46AM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote: I have both 2017.3 and 2018.3. What I don't understand is this. From what I have read, there are two Greek braille codes. The one used in Greece has no accents, so it would be of no use to me. The one which does is called International Greek. What I don't know is if the one which is called Koine in NVDA is that one or something else. I don't know anything about Coptic. On 21/11/2018, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@...> wrote: Do you actually have NVDA 2018.3? Not 7? That comes with liblouis 3.6.0. There will be a new liblouis release soon. Recently there has been discussion on the liblouis list about a Coptic table. You may need a table for your version of Greek. If you join the liblouis list you can get help writing such a table. John On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 10:28:14PM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote: Hello, I am considering buying a braille display. Right now, I have three options, considering my price range. These are a Pacmate, an Orbit Reader 20 (which I don't really want, as it lacks cursor-routing buttons), a Braillino, and a Braille Me. The Orbit or Braille Me would be new. The Pacmate is an Omni that works well, though I don't know its age. The Braillino is two-years-old and in great condition. While I may occasionally use the display on its own, I will mostly be using this with NVDA to read the screen, though not as my primary means, since I have speech for that. But before I ask any further questions, I must know this, or there is no point in continuing. Can NVDA handle polytonic Greek in braille. I see that there is a Koine and a Greek (Greece) braille table. I am learning Katharevousa, which, like Koine, uses all three accents and two breathing marks. I have NVDA 2017.3 for XP and the latest version for Windows 7. While I have reached an intermediate level with speech alone, I think that having the letters in front of me would be extremely helpful. But I must know that they will be displayed correctly. Finally, can it read Latin, including the macrons? Can any of these displays read either of these correctly on their own? As for the displays themselves, which works the best with NVDA? What are the major differences between these? Note that I don't use bluetooth or sd cards, so those are not deciding factors for me. For what it's worth, my only experience with braille displays has been with a Braille Lite 2000 and a BrailleNote Classic, which I haven't used since 2006. Thank you, Eleni -- Facebook: elvam2167@... anyaudio.net: elvam2167 Skype: elvam2167 -- John J. Boyer Email: john.boyer@... website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost -- Facebook: elvam2167@... anyaudio.net: elvam2167 Skype: elvam2167 -- John J. Boyer Email: john.boyer@... website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. 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John J. Boyer #50874 Hi Eleni, If you can send me a text file with polytonic Greek or give me a URL where I can find one I can experiment with it. I think a table for polytonic Greek could be created by simply adding symbols to the Koine table. I'm the original developer of liblouis. Now I'm retired from programming, but I'm interested in Greek because of its use in the Bible. Let's take this correspondence private. You can send me the fille at john.boyer@abilitiessoft . Thanks and happy thanksgiving, John toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:54:43PM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote: No. I cannot borrow any of these displays. The Pacmate is being sold on Ebay. On 21/11/2018, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@...> wrote: Hi Eleni, Can you borrow the Pac mate display and try the Koine table? If it isn't satisfactory your best recourse is the liblouis list. They are very helpful and are interested in getting more tables. John On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:24:46AM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote: I have both 2017.3 and 2018.3. What I don't understand is this. From what I have read, there are two Greek braille codes. The one used in Greece has no accents, so it would be of no use to me. The one which does is called International Greek. What I don't know is if the one which is called Koine in NVDA is that one or something else. I don't know anything about Coptic. On 21/11/2018, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@...> wrote: Do you actually have NVDA 2018.3? Not 7? That comes with liblouis 3.6.0. There will be a new liblouis release soon. Recently there has been discussion on the liblouis list about a Coptic table. You may need a table for your version of Greek. If you join the liblouis list you can get help writing such a table. John On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 10:28:14PM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote: Hello, I am considering buying a braille display. Right now, I have three options, considering my price range. These are a Pacmate, an Orbit Reader 20 (which I don't really want, as it lacks cursor-routing buttons), a Braillino, and a Braille Me. The Orbit or Braille Me would be new. The Pacmate is an Omni that works well, though I don't know its age. The Braillino is two-years-old and in great condition. While I may occasionally use the display on its own, I will mostly be using this with NVDA to read the screen, though not as my primary means, since I have speech for that. But before I ask any further questions, I must know this, or there is no point in continuing. Can NVDA handle polytonic Greek in braille. I see that there is a Koine and a Greek (Greece) braille table. I am learning Katharevousa, which, like Koine, uses all three accents and two breathing marks. I have NVDA 2017.3 for XP and the latest version for Windows 7. While I have reached an intermediate level with speech alone, I think that having the letters in front of me would be extremely helpful. But I must know that they will be displayed correctly. Finally, can it read Latin, including the macrons? Can any of these displays read either of these correctly on their own? As for the displays themselves, which works the best with NVDA? What are the major differences between these? Note that I don't use bluetooth or sd cards, so those are not deciding factors for me. For what it's worth, my only experience with braille displays has been with a Braille Lite 2000 and a BrailleNote Classic, which I haven't used since 2006. Thank you, Eleni -- Facebook: elvam2167@... anyaudio.net: elvam2167 Skype: elvam2167 -- John J. Boyer Email: john.boyer@... website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost -- Facebook: elvam2167@... anyaudio.net: elvam2167 Skype: elvam2167 -- John J. Boyer Email: john.boyer@... website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost -- Facebook: elvam2167@... anyaudio.net: elvam2167 Skype: elvam2167 -- John J. Boyer Email: john.boyer@... website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
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Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@...> #50864 This is from the 2018.3.2 user guide. "NVDA supports most displays from Handy Tech when connected via USB, serial port or bluetooth. For older USB displays, you will need to install the USB drivers from Handy Tech on your system. The following displays are not supported out of the box, but can be used via Handy Tech's universal driver and NVDA add-on: • Braillino • Bookworm • Modular displays with firmware version 1.13 or lower. Please note that the firmware of this displays can be updated." I installed the Handy Tech Universal driver, but neither Braillino nor Handy Tech show under displays. I would think that this is because it's not connected, but none of the others are and they still show. In 2017.3, it shows Handy Tech, but the User Guide still says that, for older models, the driver is required. I need to be 100% sure that the Braillino will work with NVDA or there is no reason for me to buy it. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 21/11/2018, Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@...> wrote: No. I cannot borrow any of these displays. The Pacmate is being sold on Ebay. On 21/11/2018, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@...> wrote: Hi Eleni, Can you borrow the Pac mate display and try the Koine table? If it isn't satisfactory your best recourse is the liblouis list. They are very helpful and are interested in getting more tables. John On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:24:46AM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote: I have both 2017.3 and 2018.3. What I don't understand is this. From what I have read, there are two Greek braille codes. The one used in Greece has no accents, so it would be of no use to me. The one which does is called International Greek. What I don't know is if the one which is called Koine in NVDA is that one or something else. I don't know anything about Coptic. On 21/11/2018, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@...> wrote: Do you actually have NVDA 2018.3? Not 7? That comes with liblouis 3.6.0. There will be a new liblouis release soon. Recently there has been discussion on the liblouis list about a Coptic table. You may need a table for your version of Greek. If you join the liblouis list you can get help writing such a table. John On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 10:28:14PM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote: Hello, I am considering buying a braille display. Right now, I have three options, considering my price range. These are a Pacmate, an Orbit Reader 20 (which I don't really want, as it lacks cursor-routing buttons), a Braillino, and a Braille Me. The Orbit or Braille Me would be new. The Pacmate is an Omni that works well, though I don't know its age. The Braillino is two-years-old and in great condition. While I may occasionally use the display on its own, I will mostly be using this with NVDA to read the screen, though not as my primary means, since I have speech for that. But before I ask any further questions, I must know this, or there is no point in continuing. Can NVDA handle polytonic Greek in braille. I see that there is a Koine and a Greek (Greece) braille table. I am learning Katharevousa, which, like Koine, uses all three accents and two breathing marks. I have NVDA 2017.3 for XP and the latest version for Windows 7. While I have reached an intermediate level with speech alone, I think that having the letters in front of me would be extremely helpful. But I must know that they will be displayed correctly. Finally, can it read Latin, including the macrons? Can any of these displays read either of these correctly on their own? As for the displays themselves, which works the best with NVDA? What are the major differences between these? Note that I don't use bluetooth or sd cards, so those are not deciding factors for me. For what it's worth, my only experience with braille displays has been with a Braille Lite 2000 and a BrailleNote Classic, which I haven't used since 2006. Thank you, Eleni -- Facebook: elvam2167@... anyaudio.net: elvam2167 Skype: elvam2167 -- John J. Boyer Email: john.boyer@... website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost -- Facebook: elvam2167@... anyaudio.net: elvam2167 Skype: elvam2167 -- John J. Boyer Email: john.boyer@... website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost -- Facebook: elvam2167@... anyaudio.net: elvam2167 Skype: elvam2167 -- Facebook: elvam2167@... anyaudio.net: elvam2167 Skype: elvam2167
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Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@...> #50857 No. I cannot borrow any of these displays. The Pacmate is being sold on Ebay. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 21/11/2018, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@...> wrote: Hi Eleni, Can you borrow the Pac mate display and try the Koine table? If it isn't satisfactory your best recourse is the liblouis list. They are very helpful and are interested in getting more tables. John On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:24:46AM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote: I have both 2017.3 and 2018.3. What I don't understand is this. From what I have read, there are two Greek braille codes. The one used in Greece has no accents, so it would be of no use to me. The one which does is called International Greek. What I don't know is if the one which is called Koine in NVDA is that one or something else. I don't know anything about Coptic. On 21/11/2018, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@...> wrote: Do you actually have NVDA 2018.3? Not 7? That comes with liblouis 3.6.0. There will be a new liblouis release soon. Recently there has been discussion on the liblouis list about a Coptic table. You may need a table for your version of Greek. If you join the liblouis list you can get help writing such a table. John On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 10:28:14PM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote: Hello, I am considering buying a braille display. Right now, I have three options, considering my price range. These are a Pacmate, an Orbit Reader 20 (which I don't really want, as it lacks cursor-routing buttons), a Braillino, and a Braille Me. The Orbit or Braille Me would be new. The Pacmate is an Omni that works well, though I don't know its age. The Braillino is two-years-old and in great condition. While I may occasionally use the display on its own, I will mostly be using this with NVDA to read the screen, though not as my primary means, since I have speech for that. But before I ask any further questions, I must know this, or there is no point in continuing. Can NVDA handle polytonic Greek in braille. I see that there is a Koine and a Greek (Greece) braille table. I am learning Katharevousa, which, like Koine, uses all three accents and two breathing marks. I have NVDA 2017.3 for XP and the latest version for Windows 7. While I have reached an intermediate level with speech alone, I think that having the letters in front of me would be extremely helpful. But I must know that they will be displayed correctly. Finally, can it read Latin, including the macrons? Can any of these displays read either of these correctly on their own? As for the displays themselves, which works the best with NVDA? What are the major differences between these? Note that I don't use bluetooth or sd cards, so those are not deciding factors for me. For what it's worth, my only experience with braille displays has been with a Braille Lite 2000 and a BrailleNote Classic, which I haven't used since 2006. Thank you, Eleni -- Facebook: elvam2167@... anyaudio.net: elvam2167 Skype: elvam2167 -- John J. Boyer Email: john.boyer@... website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost -- Facebook: elvam2167@... anyaudio.net: elvam2167 Skype: elvam2167 -- John J. Boyer Email: john.boyer@... website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost -- Facebook: elvam2167@... anyaudio.net: elvam2167 Skype: elvam2167
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John J. Boyer #50822 Hi Eleni, Can you borrow the Pac mate display and try the Koine table? If it isn't satisfactory your best recourse is the liblouis list. They are very helpful and are interested in getting more tables. John toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:24:46AM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote: I have both 2017.3 and 2018.3. What I don't understand is this. From what I have read, there are two Greek braille codes. The one used in Greece has no accents, so it would be of no use to me. The one which does is called International Greek. What I don't know is if the one which is called Koine in NVDA is that one or something else. I don't know anything about Coptic. On 21/11/2018, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@...> wrote: Do you actually have NVDA 2018.3? Not 7? That comes with liblouis 3.6.0. There will be a new liblouis release soon. Recently there has been discussion on the liblouis list about a Coptic table. You may need a table for your version of Greek. If you join the liblouis list you can get help writing such a table. John On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 10:28:14PM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote: Hello, I am considering buying a braille display. Right now, I have three options, considering my price range. These are a Pacmate, an Orbit Reader 20 (which I don't really want, as it lacks cursor-routing buttons), a Braillino, and a Braille Me. The Orbit or Braille Me would be new. The Pacmate is an Omni that works well, though I don't know its age. The Braillino is two-years-old and in great condition. While I may occasionally use the display on its own, I will mostly be using this with NVDA to read the screen, though not as my primary means, since I have speech for that. But before I ask any further questions, I must know this, or there is no point in continuing. Can NVDA handle polytonic Greek in braille. I see that there is a Koine and a Greek (Greece) braille table. I am learning Katharevousa, which, like Koine, uses all three accents and two breathing marks. I have NVDA 2017.3 for XP and the latest version for Windows 7. While I have reached an intermediate level with speech alone, I think that having the letters in front of me would be extremely helpful. But I must know that they will be displayed correctly. Finally, can it read Latin, including the macrons? Can any of these displays read either of these correctly on their own? As for the displays themselves, which works the best with NVDA? What are the major differences between these? Note that I don't use bluetooth or sd cards, so those are not deciding factors for me. For what it's worth, my only experience with braille displays has been with a Braille Lite 2000 and a BrailleNote Classic, which I haven't used since 2006. Thank you, Eleni -- Facebook: elvam2167@... anyaudio.net: elvam2167 Skype: elvam2167 -- John J. Boyer Email: john.boyer@... website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost -- Facebook: elvam2167@... anyaudio.net: elvam2167 Skype: elvam2167 -- John J. Boyer Email: john.boyer@... website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
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Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@...> #50818 I have both 2017.3 and 2018.3. What I don't understand is this. From what I have read, there are two Greek braille codes. The one used in Greece has no accents, so it would be of no use to me. The one which does is called International Greek. What I don't know is if the one which is called Koine in NVDA is that one or something else. I don't know anything about Coptic. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 21/11/2018, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@...> wrote: Do you actually have NVDA 2018.3? Not 7? That comes with liblouis 3.6.0. There will be a new liblouis release soon. Recently there has been discussion on the liblouis list about a Coptic table. You may need a table for your version of Greek. If you join the liblouis list you can get help writing such a table. John On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 10:28:14PM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote: Hello, I am considering buying a braille display. Right now, I have three options, considering my price range. These are a Pacmate, an Orbit Reader 20 (which I don't really want, as it lacks cursor-routing buttons), a Braillino, and a Braille Me. The Orbit or Braille Me would be new. The Pacmate is an Omni that works well, though I don't know its age. The Braillino is two-years-old and in great condition. While I may occasionally use the display on its own, I will mostly be using this with NVDA to read the screen, though not as my primary means, since I have speech for that. But before I ask any further questions, I must know this, or there is no point in continuing. Can NVDA handle polytonic Greek in braille. I see that there is a Koine and a Greek (Greece) braille table. I am learning Katharevousa, which, like Koine, uses all three accents and two breathing marks. I have NVDA 2017.3 for XP and the latest version for Windows 7. While I have reached an intermediate level with speech alone, I think that having the letters in front of me would be extremely helpful. But I must know that they will be displayed correctly. Finally, can it read Latin, including the macrons? Can any of these displays read either of these correctly on their own? As for the displays themselves, which works the best with NVDA? What are the major differences between these? Note that I don't use bluetooth or sd cards, so those are not deciding factors for me. For what it's worth, my only experience with braille displays has been with a Braille Lite 2000 and a BrailleNote Classic, which I haven't used since 2006. Thank you, Eleni -- Facebook: elvam2167@... anyaudio.net: elvam2167 Skype: elvam2167 -- John J. Boyer Email: john.boyer@... website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost -- Facebook: elvam2167@... anyaudio.net: elvam2167 Skype: elvam2167
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John J. Boyer #50817 Do you actually have NVDA 2018.3? Not 7? That comes with liblouis 3.6.0. There will be a new liblouis release soon. Recently there has been discussion on the liblouis list about a Coptic table. You may need a table for your version of Greek. If you join the liblouis list you can get help writing such a table. John toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 10:28:14PM -0500, Eleni Vamvakari wrote: Hello, I am considering buying a braille display. Right now, I have three options, considering my price range. These are a Pacmate, an Orbit Reader 20 (which I don't really want, as it lacks cursor-routing buttons), a Braillino, and a Braille Me. The Orbit or Braille Me would be new. The Pacmate is an Omni that works well, though I don't know its age. The Braillino is two-years-old and in great condition. While I may occasionally use the display on its own, I will mostly be using this with NVDA to read the screen, though not as my primary means, since I have speech for that. But before I ask any further questions, I must know this, or there is no point in continuing. Can NVDA handle polytonic Greek in braille. I see that there is a Koine and a Greek (Greece) braille table. I am learning Katharevousa, which, like Koine, uses all three accents and two breathing marks. I have NVDA 2017.3 for XP and the latest version for Windows 7. While I have reached an intermediate level with speech alone, I think that having the letters in front of me would be extremely helpful. But I must know that they will be displayed correctly. Finally, can it read Latin, including the macrons? Can any of these displays read either of these correctly on their own? As for the displays themselves, which works the best with NVDA? What are the major differences between these? Note that I don't use bluetooth or sd cards, so those are not deciding factors for me. For what it's worth, my only experience with braille displays has been with a Braille Lite 2000 and a BrailleNote Classic, which I haven't used since 2006. Thank you, Eleni -- Facebook: elvam2167@... anyaudio.net: elvam2167 Skype: elvam2167 -- John J. Boyer Email: john.boyer@... website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
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Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@...> #50811 Hello, I am considering buying a braille display. Right now, I have three options, considering my price range. These are a Pacmate, an Orbit Reader 20 (which I don't really want, as it lacks cursor-routing buttons), a Braillino, and a Braille Me. The Orbit or Braille Me would be new. The Pacmate is an Omni that works well, though I don't know its age. The Braillino is two-years-old and in great condition. While I may occasionally use the display on its own, I will mostly be using this with NVDA to read the screen, though not as my primary means, since I have speech for that. But before I ask any further questions, I must know this, or there is no point in continuing. Can NVDA handle polytonic Greek in braille. I see that there is a Koine and a Greek (Greece) braille table. I am learning Katharevousa, which, like Koine, uses all three accents and two breathing marks. I have NVDA 2017.3 for XP and the latest version for Windows 7. While I have reached an intermediate level with speech alone, I think that having the letters in front of me would be extremely helpful. But I must know that they will be displayed correctly. Finally, can it read Latin, including the macrons? Can any of these displays read either of these correctly on their own? As for the displays themselves, which works the best with NVDA? What are the major differences between these? Note that I don't use bluetooth or sd cards, so those are not deciding factors for me. For what it's worth, my only experience with braille displays has been with a Braille Lite 2000 and a BrailleNote Classic, which I haven't used since 2006. Thank you, Eleni -- Facebook: elvam2167@... anyaudio.net: elvam2167 Skype: elvam2167
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