Need help with help.
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MAX <max@...>
I'm new to the NVDA group. I'll ask my question giving details when I find
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Quentin Christensen
Hi Max, Welcome to the group. If you can describe the problem you are having clearly, you will normally get a pretty helpful response from everyone here in the group. Do you have a particular question now? You mentioned seeing what kind of response this question got but I can't see one there. Regards Quentin. On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 9:35 AM MAX <max@...> wrote: I'm new to the NVDA group. I'll ask my question giving details when I find --
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MAX <max@...>
Hi All.
It appears this list is not like some others I was on briefly. I haven’t been flamed for asking a stupid question or been told to go look it up.
Here is my problem. When I select help from the NVDA menu and then user guide my browser opens and I am on the table of contents. Then I down arrow to 5 navigating with NVDA. When I press enter or space bar nothing happens. I have to scroll the screen and click the mouse. But that’s not all. I can see that the screen changes but NVDA continues reading the table of contents. I printed out the entire user guide and put it under my CCTV reader but that takes a lot of time. I have tried the NVDA key + numpad keys and I can move to the desk top and back to the table of contents but I haven’t figured out how to move to the page which is displayed. This effects other sites as well but this seems like the best example. I am using windows 10 and Microsoft edge which should be the latest versions because automatic update is turned on. Can someone get me out of this catch 22 situation.
73 (Regards).
Max K 4 O D S.
I've Never Lost the Wonder.
Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Hi Max,
Welcome to the group. If you can describe the problem you are having clearly, you will normally get a pretty helpful response from everyone here in the group.
Do you have a particular question now? You mentioned seeing what kind of response this question got but I can't see one there.
Regards
Quentin.
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 9:35 AM MAX <max@...> wrote:
-- Quentin Christensen
Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess |
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Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
Hi Max. If you not aware already I’d learn using your NVDA hotkeys for browsing on the web. If you are also a JAWS user H for switching to different headings is one key to get you started. Now you should be able to press enter on the links within the user manual. I’ve done this successfully with Edge and Firefox. Try that out and let me know how it goes.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of MAX <max@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 12:02:48 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with help. Hi All.
It appears this list is not like some others I was on briefly. I haven’t been flamed for asking a stupid question or been told to go look it up.
Here is my problem. When I select help from the NVDA menu and then user guide my browser opens and I am on the table of contents. Then I down arrow to 5 navigating with NVDA. When I press enter or space bar nothing happens. I have to scroll the screen and click the mouse. But that’s not all. I can see that the screen changes but NVDA continues reading the table of contents. I printed out the entire user guide and put it under my CCTV reader but that takes a lot of time. I have tried the NVDA key + numpad keys and I can move to the desk top and back to the table of contents but I haven’t figured out how to move to the page which is displayed. This effects other sites as well but this seems like the best example. I am using windows 10 and Microsoft edge which should be the latest versions because automatic update is turned on. Can someone get me out of this catch 22 situation.
73 (Regards).
Max K 4 O D S.
I've Never Lost the Wonder.
Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Hi Max,
Welcome to the group. If you can describe the problem you are having clearly, you will normally get a pretty helpful response from everyone here in the group.
Do you have a particular question now? You mentioned seeing what kind of response this question got but I can't see one there.
Regards
Quentin.
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 9:35 AM MAX <max@...> wrote:
-- Quentin Christensen
Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess |
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Gene
I'm not sure what is causing the problem.
Which browser are you using? It sounds, from what you describe, that the
browser is moving to where it should be but the NVDA browse mode buffer isn't
updated.
One way to work around the probem is the
following:
Move to the item in the table of contents you want
to read.
Select the title of the item, you can select
the whole line, which includes its number in the outline, and copy it to
the clipboard.
For example:
4.1. Launching NVDA
Open the NVDA find dialog, used when in browse
mode. The command is insert control f. You can use either
insert.
Paste the line into the search field and press
enter. You should be moved to that part of the guide.
You can save the guide in whatever formats
your browser offers and use find in whatever you are using to read the document
in the same way.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
Hi All.
It appears this list is not like some others I was on briefly. I haven’t been flamed for asking a stupid question or been told to go look it up.
Here is my problem. When I select help from the NVDA menu and then user guide my browser opens and I am on the table of contents. Then I down arrow to 5 navigating with NVDA. When I press enter or space bar nothing happens. I have to scroll the screen and click the mouse. But that’s not all. I can see that the screen changes but NVDA continues reading the table of contents. I printed out the entire user guide and put it under my CCTV reader but that takes a lot of time. I have tried the NVDA key + numpad keys and I can move to the desk top and back to the table of contents but I haven’t figured out how to move to the page which is displayed. This effects other sites as well but this seems like the best example. I am using windows 10 and Microsoft edge which should be the latest versions because automatic update is turned on. Can someone get me out of this catch 22 situation.
73 (Regards).
Max K 4 O D S.
I've Never Lost the Wonder.
Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin
Christensen
Hi Max,
Welcome to the group. If you can describe the problem you are having clearly, you will normally get a pretty helpful response from everyone here in the group.
Do you have a particular question now? You mentioned seeing what kind of response this question got but I can't see one there.
Regards
Quentin.
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 9:35 AM MAX <max@...> wrote:
-- Quentin Christensen
Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess |
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Tyler Spivey
As long as you press enter on the link (and not the bullet beside it),
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you should be moved to that section. That doesn't work in Edge. Switch to another browser and you should be fine. Alternatively, navigate by headings until you find the part of the user guide you want. On 11/24/2018 9:02 AM, MAX wrote:
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Gene
If you are saying that it is
necessary to use h to move by heading before the table of contents links work,
then that is a problem with the coding of links in the Table of Contents
that needs to be investigated. Such links, that take the user to the text
desired, shouldn't require any certain procedure to be executed before pressing
enter on them will work. Are you saying that the links don't work if you
open the page and tab or read or down arrow to the link? Are you saying a
move by heading command needs to be issued first? and in which
sscreen-reader? H is move by heading in both JAWS and NVDA.
Gene
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Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with help. Hi Max. If you not aware already I’d learn using your NVDA hotkeys for browsing on the web. If you are also a JAWS user H for switching to different headings is one key to get you started. Now you should be able to press enter on the links within the user manual. I’ve done this successfully with Edge and Firefox. Try that out and let me know how it goes.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
<nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of MAX
<max@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 12:02:48 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with help. Hi All.
It appears this list is not like some others I was on briefly. I haven’t been flamed for asking a stupid question or been told to go look it up.
Here is my problem. When I select help from the NVDA menu and then user guide my browser opens and I am on the table of contents. Then I down arrow to 5 navigating with NVDA. When I press enter or space bar nothing happens. I have to scroll the screen and click the mouse. But that’s not all. I can see that the screen changes but NVDA continues reading the table of contents. I printed out the entire user guide and put it under my CCTV reader but that takes a lot of time. I have tried the NVDA key + numpad keys and I can move to the desk top and back to the table of contents but I haven’t figured out how to move to the page which is displayed. This effects other sites as well but this seems like the best example. I am using windows 10 and Microsoft edge which should be the latest versions because automatic update is turned on. Can someone get me out of this catch 22 situation.
73 (Regards).
Max K 4 O D S.
I've Never Lost the Wonder.
Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin
Christensen
Hi Max,
Welcome to the group. If you can describe the problem you are having clearly, you will normally get a pretty helpful response from everyone here in the group.
Do you have a particular question now? You mentioned seeing what kind of response this question got but I can't see one there.
Regards
Quentin.
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 9:35 AM MAX <max@...> wrote:
-- Quentin Christensen
Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess |
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Try firefox and see if thatworks. Also try reinstalling nvda if you can. It seems like sometign somewhare is broken. I don't use edge for this reason. Firefox and chrome just tend to work better. On 24 Nov 2018, at 9:02, MAX wrote:
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Gene
I see that you are using Edge so my question about
the browser being used isn't necessary to answer and others have dealt with my
questions about whether this is a general probem or not. However, my
suggestion of how to move using the find command may be useful at some time so
even if you generally don't need it, it may be useful on some page at some time
in the future. and it may be useful in other contexts. For example,
I like to save PDF documents as text files and read them in Notepad. In
such a case, using a line in a table of contents, or part of a line, the whole
line may not be suitable for some reason, is often a good way to find something
quickly.
Gene
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From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with help. Try firefox and see if thatworks. Also try reinstalling nvda if you can. It seems like sometign somewhare is broken. I don't use edge for this reason. Firefox and chrome just tend to work better. On 24 Nov 2018, at 9:02, MAX wrote:
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Rick
Hello Max:
The table of contents is a hierarchal bulleted list. Unfortunately, the bullets are not part of the links, so when you up and down arrow (or use the I key for list navigation), you are most likely on the bullet and not on the link. Hence, hitting Enter or the spacebar will have no effect. You can check this by:
A better way to navigate the table of contents line by line is by using the tab key, which will make sure you land on links and not bullets.
I am not sure why bullets are shown in the table of contents. Since HTML allows list attributes that can hide the bullets, maybe this could be considered as an improvement next time the help document is updated.
Rick
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of MAX
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 12:03 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with help.
Hi All.
It appears this list is not like some others I was on briefly. I haven’t been flamed for asking a stupid question or been told to go look it up.
Here is my problem. When I select help from the NVDA menu and then user guide my browser opens and I am on the table of contents. Then I down arrow to 5 navigating with NVDA. When I press enter or space bar nothing happens. I have to scroll the screen and click the mouse. But that’s not all. I can see that the screen changes but NVDA continues reading the table of contents. I printed out the entire user guide and put it under my CCTV reader but that takes a lot of time. I have tried the NVDA key + numpad keys and I can move to the desk top and back to the table of contents but I haven’t figured out how to move to the page which is displayed. This effects other sites as well but this seems like the best example. I am using windows 10 and Microsoft edge which should be the latest versions because automatic update is turned on. Can someone get me out of this catch 22 situation.
73 (Regards).
Max K 4 O D S.
I've Never Lost the Wonder.
Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Hi Max,
Welcome to the group. If you can describe the problem you are having clearly, you will normally get a pretty helpful response from everyone here in the group.
Do you have a particular question now? You mentioned seeing what kind of response this question got but I can't see one there.
Regards
Quentin.
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 9:35 AM MAX <max@...> wrote:
-- Quentin Christensen
Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess |
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hurrikennyandopo ...
Hi
Try the following in the browser when in focus and you know you are in the page.
The shortcut is nvda key + letter V
It will say some thing like use screen layout off this is what you want and will put the link on the same line as the text.
There is also a settings under the browse mode settings where this can be done either checked for on or unchecked for off.
See if that does it.
Gene nz
On 25/11/2018 6:02 AM, MAX wrote:
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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers.
To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert exam.
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Gene
That is a setting I recommend against using unless
you are working with specific kinds of sites such as message boards. I
consider it to generally be desirable to have each link on a separate page, in
other words, having use screen layout turned off. There are all sorts of
ways to get to the link such as tabbing or shift tabbing, but being on the link
is not the problem. the original message says that Max can see the text
change but the screen-reader keeps reading the table of contents. the link
has been activated. It appears that the problem is how the Edge browser
works with this page. So if that is the case, people can use my method or
they can use a different browser.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with help. Hi Try the following in the browser when in focus and you know you are in the page. The shortcut is nvda key + letter V It will say some thing like use screen layout off this is what you want and will put the link on the same line as the text. There is also a settings under the browse mode settings where this can be done either checked for on or unchecked for off. See if that does it. Gene nz On 25/11/2018 6:02 AM, MAX wrote:
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Check out my website for NVDA
tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of
where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which
locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from
around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
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hurrikennyandopo ...
Hi Gene
Use screen layout does not work in microsoft edge here I am using windows 10 version 1809 but does on other browsers if needed. I always have mine turned off.
The other way i would do it is either the elements list which works in the edge browser or maybe use the find command. I will make edge teh default browser and see if i can get it to do the same.
Gene nz
On 25/11/2018 12:57 PM, Gene wrote:
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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers.
To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert exam.
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