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hello every one.
as you know, firefox quantum with multiprocess support, caused many issues, slowness, crashes or instibilities for screen reader users. i am curious and wish that know, does thunderbird 60 has the issues of firefox quantum which i mentioned? thunderbird 60 like new versions of firefox, support photon and quantum css, but fortunately does not support multiprocess until now. -- By God, were I given all the seven heavens with all they contain in order that I may disobey God by depriving an ant from the husk of a grain of barley, I would not do it. imam ali |
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I just update my Thunderbird. Here it's all right. I'm using Win 10
64 bits if it makes any difference.
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However, I noticed the issue that everybody was talking about regarding the attached files. To solve it, I'm using an add-on called OBJPad. With the object nav mode I can simply select the file from the list of attachments as we used to do in previous versions. I believe this function is native from NVDA without any add-on, but it's a little harder to find out how it works so I ended up downloading and using something easier. Cheers, Marcio Where to find me: My Yahoo! email Add me on Skype Follow me on Twitter Follow or add me on Facebook Ask me something on CuriousCat Phone(s): (+55)21-9-81615268 (Tim-RJ) My WhatsApp Em 04/12/2018 11:45, zahra escreveu:
hello every one. as you know, firefox quantum with multiprocess support, caused many issues, slowness, crashes or instibilities for screen reader users. i am curious and wish that know, does thunderbird 60 has the issues of firefox quantum which i mentioned? thunderbird 60 like new versions of firefox, support photon and quantum css, but fortunately does not support multiprocess until now. |
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Ron Canazzi
I am using Thunderbird 60.32 with NVDA 2018.3 (latest stable release) and I have no problems. Various JAWS users have experienced some issues. JAWS support for Thunderbird seems still to be somewhat shaky.
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On 12/4/2018 8:45 AM, zahra wrote:
hello every one. --
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Ján Kulik
I also confirm that thunderbirt version 60.3.2 NVDA does not make my problems in Window 8.1. My question to the user who is mentioning the OBL path. what is it and what does it do with NVDA?
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Jacob Kruger
I've been using thunderbird 60 for a while now, with no real hassles that have noticed.
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Running under windows 10, 64 bit if relevant. Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..." On 2018-12-04 3:45 PM, zahra wrote:
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This add-on allows to switch through several exploration modes more
easily. I don't know how to explain it properly but definitely if
you're interested it worth trying.
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Cheers, Marcio Where to find me: My Yahoo! email Add me on Skype Follow me on Twitter Follow or add me on Facebook Ask me something on CuriousCat Phone(s): (+55)21-9-81615268 (Tim-RJ) My WhatsApp Em 04/12/2018 12:40, Ján Kulik
escreveu:
I also confirm that thunderbirt version 60.3.2 NVDA does not make my problems in Window 8.1. My question to the user who is mentioning the OBL path. what is it and what does it do with NVDA? |
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Brian's Mail list account
Personally with email software, unless you have a valid reason to change the version stick with what works. There is a lot to be said for another well known proverb
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If its not broken don't fix it! Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 1:45 PM Subject: [nvda] thunderbird 60 for screen reader users: hello every one. |
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Brian's Mail list account
I thin the original poster due to their location is somewhat deprived of new versions of windows both on the cost side and the political Trumpton side.
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ján Kulik" <jan.kulik.szsle@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] thunderbird 60 for screen reader users: I also confirm that thunderbirt version 60.3.2 NVDA does not make my problems in Window 8.1. My question to the user who is mentioning the OBL path. what is it and what does it do with NVDA? |
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Ron Canazzi
SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY!
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Failing to update programs that regularly access the Internet such as mail programs endangers your system. Many updates involving patching security holes and/or protection against new threats in the wild such as Trojans and root kits. On 12/4/2018 11:51 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Personally with email software, unless you have a valid reason to change the version stick with what works. There is a lot to be said for another well known proverb --
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!" |
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No it doesn't as far as I can see, the addons dialog doesn't work but I don't install addons in there anyway.
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You may have issues with the lightning addon in which caseI would install thunderbird 52x, run through the process of starting it it up and saying no to lightning, then installing the latest not sure how that works but I was able when I set it up to turn it off when it asked but even so. On 12/5/2018 2:45 AM, zahra wrote:
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Gene
When is the last time you saw a credible report, or
even a questionable one, about vulnerabilities in an e-mail program being hacked
to spread malware? It is important to use current versions of browsers but
I very much question that it matters much with e-mail programs unless, perhaps
they are very old. With all the people on lists we follow who use Outlook
Express, a very old program, however, I have never seen one report on lists or
anywhere else of malicious e-mail being used to infect machines with that
program or other perhaps more vulnerable programs. If a program is too
old, it may not have good default security settings. For example, it may
automatically download images, which is a security risk. That should be
turned off. I would use effective security settings with e-mail
programs. Why invite trouble? But I question that malicious code in
e-mails is much of a problem. Others may disagree and may have factual
information about this but from what I've observed for a long time, this is what
I think currently.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] thunderbird 60 for screen reader
users: Failing to update programs that regularly access the Internet such as mail programs endangers your system. Many updates involving patching security holes and/or protection against new threats in the wild such as Trojans and root kits. On 12/4/2018 11:51 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: > Personally with email software, unless you have a valid reason to > change the version stick with what works. There is a lot to be said > for another well known proverb > If its not broken don't fix it! > Brian > > bglists@... > Sent via blueyonder. > Please address personal E-mail to:- > briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' > in the display name field. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...> > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 1:45 PM > Subject: [nvda] thunderbird 60 for screen reader users: > > >> hello every one. >> as you know, firefox quantum with multiprocess support, caused many >> issues, slowness, crashes or instibilities for screen reader users. >> i am curious and wish that know, does thunderbird 60 has the issues of >> firefox quantum which i mentioned? >> thunderbird 60 like new versions of firefox, support photon and >> quantum css, but fortunately does not support multiprocess until now. >> >> -- >> By God, >> were I given all the seven heavens >> with all they contain >> in order that >> I may disobey God >> by depriving an ant >> from the husk of a grain of barley, >> I would not do it. >> imam ali >> >> >> > > > > > -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!" |
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bob jutzi <jutzi@...>
I'm running V60 with the latest NVDA Snapshot with no issues.
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I don't use Thunderbird add-ons so not sure of any related problems. On 12/4/2018 1:25 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
No it doesn't as far as I can see, the addons dialog doesn't work but I |
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Technically thats true however eventually if a program is not updated anymore it stops recieving updated ssl certs automatically, yes you can still use eudora7 but you have to manually apply ssl certs the ssl software also changes and with heartblead and other things if your ssl lib has issues then you do to.
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Saying that if you wanted to use thunderbird 52 its not like they will be not supporting it immediately there isn't any updates to it though but you can still use it. Keeping preview pains off and not allowing remote contnet as well as how you open and use attachments is probably all you need to keep safe. That includes not allowing html or anything to run inside an email. Thats probably all you need to really be concerned with. An email attachment can infect you and if something directs you online then maybe but an actual email can't. Technically in a text file there is something old called an ansi virus which could infect your system. But you would notice it, I mean its not like you could hide the code in your file and wander what is that extra code doing there. At any rate, the chances of getting infected from an email is basically 0 now. For the last 5 or so years antivirus and antispam has been a core part of any isp platform even google. True there are downsides but what it means is you shouldn't be able to get any infections in email even attachments are prescanned to some extent before you get an email. Cloud attachments should also be scanned maybe anyway. The only thing clicking fishing links and the like thats a problem. On 12/5/2018 8:55 AM, Gene wrote:
When is the last time you saw a credible report, or even a questionable one, about vulnerabilities in an e-mail program being hacked to spread malware? It is important to use current versions of browsers but I very much question that it matters much with e-mail programs unless, perhaps they are very old. With all the people on lists we follow who use Outlook Express, a very old program, however, I have never seen one report on lists or anywhere else of malicious e-mail being used to infect machines with that program or other perhaps more vulnerable programs. If a program is too old, it may not have good default security settings. For example, it may automatically download images, which is a security risk. That should be turned off. I would use effective security settings with e-mail programs. Why invite trouble? But I question that malicious code in e-mails is much of a problem. Others may disagree and may have factual information about this but from what I've observed for a long time, this is what I think currently. |
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Travis Siegel
I'm guessing you never heard of the I love you virus? It was spread vie compromised email programs. Without looking it
up, I can't remember which ones, but I'm fairly certain outlook
was on the top of that list. There, now you can no longer say you have nvever heard of a virus
being spread via an email program. On 12/4/2018 2:55 PM, Gene wrote:
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Travis Siegel
Jusf for reference.
https://antivirus.comodo.com/blog/comodo-news/iloveyou-virus-and-its-removal/ It *only(* affected outlook, since that's the only email program that ran vb script. I'd forgotten about the melissa virus, but it also affected outlook. What does this teach us? that programs that run things by default are really bad. The reason no other email programs were affected was because none other programs ran visual basic scripts by default. You guessed it, programs that run things by default are bad, especially when that runing code odsne't go through the user of said program first. This is why you really should set your email program to view your emails in html mode only, and not allow execution of scripts embeded in the email. Lord knows why these programs aren't set to this by default, but they aren't, and folks like to take advantage of that to cause problems for others. <shrug> If you're unsing thunderbird, you should have your email view set to plain html, not active html (or whatever it is they call the other setting). This protects both you and others, since viruses like I love you and melissa can't spread from you to others. Of course, it also shows us that in the 18 years since these viruses, outlook hasn't improved security very much, but that's a different story. |
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Gene
I don't know how old a program has to be before
such problems may occur. A lot of people are using the Outlook Express
program, altered to work in Windows 10. People are using the old XP menu
version of Windows Live Mail, which was around in the early 2000's. I
don't know when it was last updated. What you are saying may be the case
for really ancient programs but it appears to me that you can use programs that
haven't been updated in fifteen or twenty or more years without such
problems.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] thunderbird 60 for screen reader
users: anymore it stops recieving updated ssl certs automatically, yes you can still use eudora7 but you have to manually apply ssl certs the ssl software also changes and with heartblead and other things if your ssl lib has issues then you do to. Saying that if you wanted to use thunderbird 52 its not like they will be not supporting it immediately there isn't any updates to it though but you can still use it. Keeping preview pains off and not allowing remote contnet as well as how you open and use attachments is probably all you need to keep safe. That includes not allowing html or anything to run inside an email. Thats probably all you need to really be concerned with. An email attachment can infect you and if something directs you online then maybe but an actual email can't. Technically in a text file there is something old called an ansi virus which could infect your system. But you would notice it, I mean its not like you could hide the code in your file and wander what is that extra code doing there. At any rate, the chances of getting infected from an email is basically 0 now. For the last 5 or so years antivirus and antispam has been a core part of any isp platform even google. True there are downsides but what it means is you shouldn't be able to get any infections in email even attachments are prescanned to some extent before you get an email. Cloud attachments should also be scanned maybe anyway. The only thing clicking fishing links and the like thats a problem. On 12/5/2018 8:55 AM, Gene wrote: > When is the last time you saw a credible report, or even a questionable one, about vulnerabilities in an e-mail program being hacked to spread malware? It is important to use current versions of browsers but I very much question that it matters much with e-mail programs unless, perhaps they are very old. With all the people on lists we follow who use Outlook Express, a very old program, however, I have never seen one report on lists or anywhere else of malicious e-mail being used to infect machines with that program or other perhaps more vulnerable programs. If a program is too old, it may not have good default security settings. For example, it may automatically download images, which is a security risk. That should be turned off. I would use effective security settings with e-mail programs. Why invite trouble? But I question that malicious code in e-mails is much of a problem. Others may disagree and may have factual information about this but from what I've observed for a long time, this is what I think currently. > > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ron Canazzi > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 12:15 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] thunderbird 60 for screen reader users: > > > SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY! > > > Failing to update programs that regularly access the Internet such as > mail programs endangers your system. Many updates involving patching > security holes and/or protection against new threats in the wild such as > Trojans and root kits. > > > > On 12/4/2018 11:51 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: >> Personally with email software, unless you have a valid reason to >> change the version stick with what works. There is a lot to be said >> for another well known proverb >> If its not broken don't fix it! >> Brian >> >> bglists@... >> Sent via blueyonder. >> Please address personal E-mail to:- >> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >> in the display name field. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...> >> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 1:45 PM >> Subject: [nvda] thunderbird 60 for screen reader users: >> >> >>> hello every one. >>> as you know, firefox quantum with multiprocess support, caused many >>> issues, slowness, crashes or instibilities for screen reader users. >>> i am curious and wish that know, does thunderbird 60 has the issues of >>> firefox quantum which i mentioned? >>> thunderbird 60 like new versions of firefox, support photon and >>> quantum css, but fortunately does not support multiprocess until now. >>> >>> -- >>> By God, >>> were I given all the seven heavens >>> with all they contain >>> in order that >>> I may disobey God >>> by depriving an ant >>> from the husk of a grain of barley, >>> I would not do it. >>> imam ali >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> |
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Gene
Your message calls for an important point of
clarification. I didn't say this and I should have. I wasn't talking
about viruses or other malware you might get by foolishly opening attachments
you don't definitely know are safe. But I'm talking about reading
messages, not opening attachments. There have been and still are malicious
e-mail attachments but as I said, that isn't what I intended to
address.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] thunderbird 60 for screen reader
users: I'm guessing you never heard of the I love you virus? It was spread vie compromised email programs. Without looking it up, I
can't remember which ones, but I'm fairly certain outlook was on the top of that
list. There, now you can no longer say you have nvever heard of a virus being
spread via an email program. On 12/4/2018 2:55 PM, Gene wrote:
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Ron Canazzi
Hi Group,
A while back, there was a Kim Kommando article about the fact that even if a link is present in an e-mail message and even if you don't click on it. I can't remember which one, but some sort of virus or Trojan could be let loose even if you just opened the e-mail. Maybe it was that I love you thingie.
On 12/4/2018 3:56 PM, Travis Siegel
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-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!" |
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Gene
You may be thinking about bits of code in e-mail
called, as I recall, beacons. But modern e-mail programs have default
settings that keep such code from running. It well may be that old
programs have settings that can be set to keep the code from running as well but
I haven't looked into the question.
Sometimes, Kim Komando oversimplifies things and
thus gives out inaccurate information, though she is largely or mostly
reliable. this is one such case. When I heard her discuss this, and
then looked into the matter to an extent, I found that, as I said modern
programs don't allow this by default and, of course, they can't do anything if
you read mail as plain text.
A message may have malicious code in it that can do
all sorts of things, such as take your browser to a site automatically, which is
why I read mail as plain text and only look at messages I trust in HTML if I
have a reason to. Thunderbird has a setting called simple html that shows
thing such as links but doesn't allow any code to run. While I don't know
this, I think that is as safe as reading mail as plain text. I don't use
Thunderbird but if I did, I might well use that setting. I could then
follow links in e-mail messages, be, I believe, as safe as reading mail as plain
text, and not have to switch to HTML to read something like newsletters that
require HTML to see links.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] thunderbird 60 for screen reader
users: Hi Group, A while back, there was a Kim Kommando article about the fact that even if a link is present in an e-mail message and even if you don't click on it. I can't remember which one, but some sort of virus or Trojan could be let loose even if you just opened the e-mail. Maybe it was that I love you thingie. On 12/4/2018 3:56 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!" |
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Gene
Also, when I say modern e-mail programs have
default settings that keep such code from running, I'm pretty sure the newest
version of Outlook Express, the latest XP version, uses such settings. I
don't know at what point Outlook Express adopted such settings.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] thunderbird 60 for screen reader
users: You may be thinking about bits of code in e-mail
called, as I recall, beacons. But modern e-mail programs have default
settings that keep such code from running. It well may be that old
programs have settings that can be set to keep the code from running as well but
I haven't looked into the question.
Sometimes, Kim Komando oversimplifies things and
thus gives out inaccurate information, though she is largely or mostly
reliable. this is one such case. When I heard her discuss this, and
then looked into the matter to an extent, I found that, as I said modern
programs don't allow this by default and, of course, they can't do anything if
you read mail as plain text.
A message may have malicious code in it that can do
all sorts of things, such as take your browser to a site automatically, which is
why I read mail as plain text and only look at messages I trust in HTML if I
have a reason to. Thunderbird has a setting called simple html that shows
thing such as links but doesn't allow any code to run. While I don't know
this, I think that is as safe as reading mail as plain text. I don't use
Thunderbird but if I did, I might well use that setting. I could then
follow links in e-mail messages, be, I believe, as safe as reading mail as plain
text, and not have to switch to HTML to read something like newsletters that
require HTML to see links.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2018 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] thunderbird 60 for screen reader
users: Hi Group, A while back, there was a Kim Kommando article about the fact that even if a link is present in an e-mail message and even if you don't click on it. I can't remember which one, but some sort of virus or Trojan could be let loose even if you just opened the e-mail. Maybe it was that I love you thingie. On 12/4/2018 3:56 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!" |
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