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Best Wordprocesor


kelby carlson
 

In light of the confirmation that certain features of LibreOffice are
inaccessible, I'd be interested to know what everyone's vaorite word
processing application is. i mostly use Word, but am coming to really
hate its sluggishness and clutter and am hoping to find a different
one. It looks like LibreOffice and OpenOffice both have accessibility
issues that make them unsuitable for my work environment.

--
Kelby Carlson


Peter Beasley
 

                                Try Jarte.

 

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From: kelby carlson
Sent: 26 December 2018 16:36
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Best Wordprocesor

 

In light of the confirmation that certain features of LibreOffice are

inaccessible, I'd be interested to know what everyone's vaorite word

processing application is. i mostly use Word, but am coming to really

hate its sluggishness and clutter and am hoping to find a different

one. It looks like LibreOffice and OpenOffice both have accessibility

issues that make them unsuitable for my work environment.

 

--

Kelby Carlson

 

 

 


 

Kelby,

            Would you mind elaborating on what the accessibility issues are with LibreOffice and OpenOffice?   These are almost universally recommended as accessible options when Word is not available, and this is the first I've heard anyone state there are issues with them.

             Also, what version of Word are you using?   That can make a huge difference in its behavior.   Also, on what Windows platform?
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Gene
 

JARTE may not have the features needed for a business environment.  What features are you looking for?
 
Gene

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Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Wordprocesor

                                Try Jarte.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: kelby carlson
Sent: 26 December 2018 16:36
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Best Wordprocesor

 

In light of the confirmation that certain features of LibreOffice are

inaccessible, I'd be interested to know what everyone's vaorite word

processing application is. i mostly use Word, but am coming to really

hate its sluggishness and clutter and am hoping to find a different

one. It looks like LibreOffice and OpenOffice both have accessibility

issues that make them unsuitable for my work environment.

 

--

Kelby Carlson

 

 

 


kelby carlson
 

Brian,

Currently I am using Word 2016 on a Windows 10 tablet and laptop. The inaccessible features of LibreOffice and OpenOffice are the inability to easily work with footnotes and endnotes as well as comments. I otherwise find these programs fast and fairly intuitive compared to Word, though they are lacking in some of the keyboard shortcuts Word possesses. These are features i use every day so they really are crucial.


 

Hi,

Regarding Word and NVDA performance: there is an active research project to speed things up by using UI Automation. Note that it’ll require using more recent Office 365 releases.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of kelby carlson
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Wordprocesor

 

Brian,

Currently I am using Word 2016 on a Windows 10 tablet and laptop. The inaccessible features of LibreOffice and OpenOffice are the inability to easily work with footnotes and endnotes as well as comments. I otherwise find these programs fast and fairly intuitive compared to Word, though they are lacking in some of the keyboard shortcuts Word possesses. These are features i use every day so they really are crucial.


Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I use jarte because it has a feature where you can do spell check. It's a great little word processor.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of kelby carlson
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:37 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Best Wordprocesor

In light of the confirmation that certain features of LibreOffice are inaccessible, I'd be interested to know what everyone's vaorite word processing application is. i mostly use Word, but am coming to really hate its sluggishness and clutter and am hoping to find a different one. It looks like LibreOffice and OpenOffice both have accessibility issues that make them unsuitable for my work environment.

--
Kelby Carlson


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That is, however a very simple one. If you need word there is not a lot other than maybe the online Google offering which seems to me to be a bit naff, or word or Libra.
All of them have issues with screenreaders as they seem to change so often and the screenreaders cannot keep up.
Brian

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From: "Peter Beasley" <pjbeasley23@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Wordprocesor


Try Jarte.

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From: kelby carlson
Sent: 26 December 2018 16:36
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Best Wordprocesor

In light of the confirmation that certain features of LibreOffice are
inaccessible, I'd be interested to know what everyone's vaorite word
processing application is. i mostly use Word, but am coming to really
hate its sluggishness and clutter and am hoping to find a different
one. It looks like LibreOffice and OpenOffice both have accessibility
issues that make them unsuitable for my work environment.

--
Kelby Carlson


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I think he means that Libra office has no browse mode and the read all does not work. Also a few extra bits need Java and both accessibility bridges, Indeed if you want to use the spreadsheet or other parts you definitely need Java and Java is sluggish and error prone in my humble opinion.
I do not need huge power however and get by with libra portable, Jarte and an old copy of word 2002 which will still work in windows 7.
The newer office packages are only slow at the moment due to not all uac or whatever its acronym is , bits being used by nvda yet. A lot is using dom, and this really needs to be juat a fall back for portable use and older versions in my view, but having said that word is just far too complex these days.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Wordprocesor


Kelby,

Would you mind elaborating on what the accessibility issues are with LibreOffice and OpenOffice? These are almost universally recommended as accessible options when Word is not available, and this is the first I've heard anyone state there are issues with them.

Also, what version of Word are you using? That can make a huge difference in its behavior. Also, on what Windows platform?
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


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I assume though that older versions of word will carry on as they are.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Wordprocesor


Hi,

Regarding Word and NVDA performance: there is an active research project to speed things up by using UI Automation. Note that it’ll require using more recent Office 365 releases.

Cheers,

Joseph





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of kelby carlson
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Wordprocesor



Brian,

Currently I am using Word 2016 on a Windows 10 tablet and laptop. The inaccessible features of LibreOffice and OpenOffice are the inability to easily work with footnotes and endnotes as well as comments. I otherwise find these programs fast and fairly intuitive compared to Word, though they are lacking in some of the keyboard shortcuts Word possesses. These are features i use every day so they really are crucial.


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There is a paid for version but I've not tried it.
Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Wordprocesor


JARTE may not have the features needed for a business environment. What features are you looking for?

Gene
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From: Peter Beasley
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Wordprocesor


Try Jarte.



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From: kelby carlson
Sent: 26 December 2018 16:36
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Best Wordprocesor



In light of the confirmation that certain features of LibreOffice are

inaccessible, I'd be interested to know what everyone's vaorite word

processing application is. i mostly use Word, but am coming to really

hate its sluggishness and clutter and am hoping to find a different

one. It looks like LibreOffice and OpenOffice both have accessibility

issues that make them unsuitable for my work environment.



--

Kelby Carlson


JM Casey
 

I wouldn't write off Libre Office completely. It has loads of keyboard commands; depending on what you are after, there might well be a way to accomplish what's desired. I haven't played with it a lot though. OpenOffice also works better with JAWS, if that's of any help to you. I have used OpenOffice more than libre so far. However Microsoft is still my general go-to at the moment.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of kelby carlson
Sent: December 26, 2018 11:37 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Best Wordprocesor

In light of the confirmation that certain features of LibreOffice are inaccessible, I'd be interested to know what everyone's vaorite word processing application is. i mostly use Word, but am coming to really hate its sluggishness and clutter and am hoping to find a different one. It looks like LibreOffice and OpenOffice both have accessibility issues that make them unsuitable for my work environment.

--
Kelby Carlson


Dave <dlh007@...>
 

I use jarte Plus, the paid for edition of Jarte'. It is simple and
very responsive. And the jarte' Plus edition does handle Footnotes,
although I couldn't tell you how well as I never use this feature.

I grew tired of MS Word being so Bloated with features I would just
never use. And after MS Word 2003, MS Word was just a pain in the Butt
to use. This is my take on it, so all you MS Word 365 devotees, please
don't be Butt Hurt about my thoughts of MS Word. If you love Word,
then use it.

However, if you are looking for a quick and simple alternative to Giant
Word Processing, You may want to visit the jarte web site and see if it
has enough to do the jobs you need to be done. It may, or may not be
powerful enough for your needs.

I used it in an Office environment every day, but my needs were very
basic.

My only complaint about jarte' is that it will not save files in the
newer format MS Word has been using for a while now. And for me this is
a Big deal. I wrote the owners to ask why, but was never given any kind
of an answer.
Grumpy Dave


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Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Afternoon:  What version of Libre Office, and/or open office are you referenceing in your comment?

Dave


On 12/26/2018 9:55 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Kelby,

            Would you mind elaborating on what the accessibility issues are with LibreOffice and OpenOffice?   These are almost universally recommended as accessible options when Word is not available, and this is the first I've heard anyone state there are issues with them.

             Also, what version of Word are you using?   That can make a huge difference in its behavior.   Also, on what Windows platform?
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


David Mehler
 

Hello,

Can either Libre Office and/or Open Office read from or save to .docx
files so that I can collaborate with colleagues who use later versions
of word?

Thanks.
Dave.

On 12/26/18, Dave Grossoehme <dave@...> wrote:
Good Afternoon:  What version of Libre Office, and/or open office are
you referenceing in your comment?

Dave


On 12/26/2018 9:55 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Kelby,

            Would you mind elaborating on what the accessibility
issues are with LibreOffice and OpenOffice?   These are almost
universally recommended as accessible options when Word is not
available, and this is the first I've heard anyone state there are
issues with them.

             Also, what version of Word are you using?   That can make
a huge difference in its behavior.   Also, on what Windows platform?
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*/A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep./*

          ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/




Gene
 

But does the version you pay for allow you to save dox files as dox files or just open them and require you to save them in a different, older format.  No one has discussed that and in business settings, being able to save in the dox format would often be required.
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
From: Dave
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Wordprocesor

I use jarte Plus, the paid for edition of Jarte'.   It is simple and
very responsive.  And the jarte' Plus edition does handle Footnotes,
although I couldn't tell you how well as I never use this feature. 

I grew tired of MS Word being so Bloated with features I would just
never use.  And after MS Word 2003, MS Word was just a pain in the Butt
to use.  This is my take on it, so all you MS Word 365 devotees, please
don't be Butt Hurt about my thoughts of MS Word.   If you love Word,
then use it. 

However, if you are looking for a quick and simple alternative to Giant
Word Processing, You may want to visit the jarte web site and see if it
has enough to do the jobs you need to be done.  It may, or may not be
powerful enough for your needs. 

I used it in an Office environment every day, but my needs were very
basic. 

My only complaint about jarte' is that it will not save files in the
newer format MS Word has been using for a while now.  And for me this is
a Big deal.  I wrote the owners to ask why, but was never given any kind
of an answer. 
Grumpy Dave


--
Dave <dlh007@...>




David Goldfield
 

Dave,

LibreOffice is definitely compatible with the .docx format used in Word.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 12/26/2018 6:18 PM, David Mehler wrote:
Hello,

Can either Libre Office and/or Open Office read from or save to .docx
files so that I can collaborate with colleagues who use later versions
of word?

Thanks.
Dave.


On 12/26/18, Dave Grossoehme <dave@...> wrote:
Good Afternoon:  What version of Libre Office, and/or open office are
you referenceing in your comment?

Dave


On 12/26/2018 9:55 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Kelby,

            Would you mind elaborating on what the accessibility
issues are with LibreOffice and OpenOffice?   These are almost
universally recommended as accessible options when Word is not
available, and this is the first I've heard anyone state there are
issues with them.

             Also, what version of Word are you using?   That can make
a huge difference in its behavior.   Also, on what Windows platform?
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*/A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep./*

          ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/








Sam Bushman
 

The proper term is “docx” files not “dox” files. Jarte will save in rtf txt and doc but not the newer ms office format docx

Thanks,

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 4:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Wordprocesor

 

But does the version you pay for allow you to save dox files as dox files or just open them and require you to save them in a different, older format.  No one has discussed that and in business settings, being able to save in the dox format would often be required.

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

From: Dave

Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 4:45 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Wordprocesor

 

I use jarte Plus, the paid for edition of Jarte'.   It is simple and
very responsive.  And the jarte' Plus edition does handle Footnotes,
although I couldn't tell you how well as I never use this feature. 

I grew tired of MS Word being so Bloated with features I would just
never use.  And after MS Word 2003, MS Word was just a pain in the Butt
to use.  This is my take on it, so all you MS Word 365 devotees, please
don't be Butt Hurt about my thoughts of MS Word.   If you love Word,
then use it. 

However, if you are looking for a quick and simple alternative to Giant
Word Processing, You may want to visit the jarte web site and see if it
has enough to do the jobs you need to be done.  It may, or may not be
powerful enough for your needs. 

I used it in an Office environment every day, but my needs were very
basic. 

My only complaint about jarte' is that it will not save files in the
newer format MS Word has been using for a while now.  And for me this is
a Big deal.  I wrote the owners to ask why, but was never given any kind
of an answer. 
Grumpy Dave


--
Dave <dlh007@...>



JM Casey
 

Hey.

It can read them, but I believe it will not save in the newest Word formats as they are somewhat proprietary.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: December 26, 2018 6:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Wordprocesor

 

Dave,

LibreOffice is definitely compatible with the .docx format used in Word.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 12/26/2018 6:18 PM, David Mehler wrote:

Hello,
 
Can either Libre Office and/or Open Office read from or save to .docx
files so that I can collaborate with colleagues who use later versions
of word?
 
Thanks.
Dave.
 
 
On 12/26/18, Dave Grossoehme <dave@...> wrote:
Good Afternoon:  What version of Libre Office, and/or open office are
you referenceing in your comment?
 
Dave
 
 
On 12/26/2018 9:55 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Kelby,
 
            Would you mind elaborating on what the accessibility
issues are with LibreOffice and OpenOffice?   These are almost
universally recommended as accessible options when Word is not
available, and this is the first I've heard anyone state there are
issues with them.
 
             Also, what version of Word are you using?   That can make
a huge difference in its behavior.   Also, on what Windows platform?
--
 
Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
 
*/A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep./*
 
          ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 

Kelby,

           Thank you for your reply to my query.  I am surprised you're having issues with sluggishness with Word 2016 (other than startup being slow).  I would try uninstalling and reinstalling before jumping ship, particularly since Word really is the de facto standard.

           I don't think you're going to find any other major word processor that's any less cluttered.  It's a consequence of feature bloat, plain and simple.  

           Word is, by far, the best supported word processor when it comes to screen readers.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back