Java accessibility
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farhan israk
I want to learn java. For this reason I installed jdk and intelliJ ide. But,after opening intelliJ ide, I'm not able to navigate. If I press tab or aero keys nvda doesn't say anything. Got same result with object navigation. Nvda doesn't say anything. Now, what can I do?
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Andy
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Haven't used Java applications in a long time, but
i seem to recall that you need to install a program called Java Access Bridge,
which facilitates interaction between java and screen readers.
Andy
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It is now part of the package but you need both the 32 and 64 bit versions on a 64 bit machine and not all controls seem tope accessible. I do not know about the other software. Normally its people using java based stuff that need the bridges, but I have no direct knowledge of authoring with it myself.
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I thought Java was a dying system now. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Andy" <wq6r@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Java accessibility Haven't used Java applications in a long time, but i seem to recall that you need to install a program called Java Access Bridge, which facilitates interaction between java and screen readers. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: farhan israk To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 10:43 PM Subject: [nvda] Java accessibility I want to learn java. For this reason I installed jdk and intelliJ ide. But,after opening intelliJ ide, I'm not able to navigate. If I press tab or aero keys nvda doesn't say anything. Got same result with object navigation. Nvda doesn't say anything. Now, what can I do?
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Isaac Porat
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Firstly Java is still (and will be there for a long time) one of the top three most used languages; Java had security problems being used as a browser plugin (as Applet) a few years ago and not used in this way any more, as a desktop application its use is limited. However it is one of the major forces in server side programming and the Android OS which takes over 90% of the mobile space. Now to your problem: As mentioned to ensure JAB support install both the 32 and 64 bits versions of Java. The following link explains what you need to do. Note that if all goes well the JAB which is included with the Java JDK is configured during installation, if it does not work look here: https://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/technotes/guides/access/enable_and_test.html The easiest way to test if it configured properly is to try to navigate the Java control panel which is installed with java, if you can navigate it, it is installed properly. (just search for it in Windows) Now to learning Java. I do not use IntelliJ but AndroidStudio which is basically the former configured for Android so I suspect they work pretty much the same. If the JAB is configured properly you should get basic navigation but for better results you need to enable accessibility, have a look at IntelliJ accessibility page. (you might need sighted assistance to do this, it takes a minute) If you want to learn Java you might like to use Eclipse, IDE it is written in Java but it wraps standard Windows widgets so does not need the JAB at all. Finally, you are probably better asking at the NVDA development mailing list as more people are likely to give you sensible answers. Good luck Isaac
On 05/01/2019 06:43, farhan israk wrote:
I want to learn java. For this reason I installed jdk and intelliJ ide.
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Antony Stone
Just out of interest, what are the other two of the top three most used
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languages? Antony.
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Isaac Porat
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The other are Javascript mostly for web development and Python for scientific, AI general scripting prototype etc. Also up there are C / C++, C# and objective C. Regards Isaac
On 05/01/2019 14:37, Antony Stone wrote:
Just out of interest, what are the other two of the top three most used
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Not come across objective C Objectionable C yes grin.
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From: "Isaac Porat" <isaac@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Java accessibility Hi
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MAX <max@...>
My only brush with Java is in the Arduino I D E (integrated development environment, Jaws will not read it. Even after installing Java access bridge. After switching over to NVDA I found that it would. I did not uninstall Java access bridge so I must assume it is still on my computer.
73 (Regards).
Max K 4 O D S.
I've Never Lost the Wonder.
Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 12:59 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Java accessibility
Haven't used Java applications in a long time, but i seem to recall that you need to install a program called Java Access Bridge, which facilitates interaction between java and screen readers.
Andy
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Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
Hi, I had two encounters with a message from Water Fox asking me to update my Java. I ignored it. Should I update? Is it needed? Thanks Blessings Pascal
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of MAX
Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2019 11:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Java accessibility
My only brush with Java is in the Arduino I D E (integrated development environment, Jaws will not read it. Even after installing Java access bridge. After switching over to NVDA I found that it would. I did not uninstall Java access bridge so I must assume it is still on my computer.
73 (Regards).
Max K 4 O D S.
I've Never Lost the Wonder.
Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy
Haven't used Java applications in a long time, but i seem to recall that you need to install a program called Java Access Bridge, which facilitates interaction between java and screen readers.
Andy
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Gene
I'm not sure why Waterfox is showing you such
messages. JAVA, the program, does show update messages in the System Tray
when a JAVA update is available. JAVA scripts don't ask to be
updated.
If you don't use any programs that require JAVA,
the program, then its very unlikely you are using any web sites that do.
You should disable the JAVA add-on in your browser. If you have no
problems with sites asking you to get JAVA, leave it disabled. JAVA is a
security risk and the browser shouldn't be exposed to possible JAVA exploits
unless it is necessary to run the JAVA add-on in the browser to work with one or
more sites.
Gene
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From: Pascal Lambert
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Java accessibility Hi, I had two encounters with a message from Water Fox asking me to update my Java. I ignored it. Should I update? Is it needed? Thanks Blessings Pascal
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of MAX
My only brush with Java is in the Arduino I D E (integrated development environment, Jaws will not read it. Even after installing Java access bridge. After switching over to NVDA I found that it would. I did not uninstall Java access bridge so I must assume it is still on my computer.
73 (Regards).
Max K 4 O D S.
I've Never Lost the Wonder.
Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Andy
Haven't used Java applications in a long time, but i seem to recall that you need to install a program called Java Access Bridge, which facilitates interaction between java and screen readers.
Andy
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Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
Thanks for your helpful answer. Blessings Pascal
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2019 2:38 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Java accessibility
I'm not sure why Waterfox is showing you such messages. JAVA, the program, does show update messages in the System Tray when a JAVA update is available. JAVA scripts don't ask to be updated.
If you don't use any programs that require JAVA, the program, then its very unlikely you are using any web sites that do. You should disable the JAVA add-on in your browser. If you have no problems with sites asking you to get JAVA, leave it disabled. JAVA is a security risk and the browser shouldn't be exposed to possible JAVA exploits unless it is necessary to run the JAVA add-on in the browser to work with one or more sites.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Pascal Lambert Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Java accessibility
Hi, I had two encounters with a message from Water Fox asking me to update my Java. I ignored it. Should I update? Is it needed? Thanks Blessings Pascal
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of MAX
My only brush with Java is in the Arduino I D E (integrated development environment, Jaws will not read it. Even after installing Java access bridge. After switching over to NVDA I found that it would. I did not uninstall Java access bridge so I must assume it is still on my computer.
73 (Regards).
Max K 4 O D S.
I've Never Lost the Wonder.
Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy
Haven't used Java applications in a long time, but i seem to recall that you need to install a program called Java Access Bridge, which facilitates interaction between java and screen readers.
Andy
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Well I wouldn't trust any message, if you get a message in your trey asking to update then its probably malware unless you don't have the latest update.
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The latest update is 8.9.1 but was released last year in november or so.
On 1/6/2019 7:45 AM, Pascal Lambert wrote:
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Actually waterfox/firefox/ all mozilla products use java as a base if you go to add remove programs and find java you will get the version you need.
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in all cases either go to java.com or launch the java control panel click update then update again. I usually update whenever something comes out. Saying all this, java is changing and changing a lot. For a while java10 was the norm but suddenly its all switching to java for spaciffic apps and not installable packages though java8 continues as well as sparadic releases of java. To be honest eventually it could simply mean oricle will not use installable java packages at all. Maybe its got to do with html5 but certainly with the apps and such oracle seem to be pushing it that if x app needs java, it should be built in to that app not sure if its because of malware or what but whatever. I don't personally use java on a daily basis and neither do my users. Saying that, from time to time we do use java programs and some websites like nvidia do use java. Its worth keeping on all systems for the places that use it.
On 1/6/2019 8:38 AM, Gene wrote:
I'm not sure why Waterfox is showing you such messages. JAVA, the program, does show update messages in the System Tray when a JAVA update is available. JAVA scripts don't ask to be updated.
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Gene
What do you mean uses JAVA as a base? it is
supposed to be based on Firefox code and JAVA, the program, isn't necessary for
Firefox to run. If it uses JAVA, the program, I don't know what the
implications are. If it uses JAVA but you can still have either no JAVA
add-on or have the add-on disabled and Waterfox will still run, then, unless you
need JAVA for something other than to run Waterfox, the add-on should be
disabled for security reasons.
Gene
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From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Java accessibility you go to add remove programs and find java you will get the version you need. in all cases either go to java.com or launch the java control panel click update then update again. I usually update whenever something comes out. Saying all this, java is changing and changing a lot. For a while java10 was the norm but suddenly its all switching to java for spaciffic apps and not installable packages though java8 continues as well as sparadic releases of java. To be honest eventually it could simply mean oricle will not use installable java packages at all. Maybe its got to do with html5 but certainly with the apps and such oracle seem to be pushing it that if x app needs java, it should be built in to that app not sure if its because of malware or what but whatever. I don't personally use java on a daily basis and neither do my users. Saying that, from time to time we do use java programs and some websites like nvidia do use java. Its worth keeping on all systems for the places that use it. On 1/6/2019 8:38 AM, Gene wrote: > I'm not sure why Waterfox is showing you such messages. JAVA, the program, does show update messages in the System Tray when a JAVA update is available. JAVA scripts don't ask to be updated. > > If you don't use any programs that require JAVA, the program, then its very unlikely you are using any web sites that do. You should disable the JAVA add-on in your browser. If you have no problems with sites asking you to get JAVA, leave it disabled. JAVA is a security risk and the browser shouldn't be exposed to possible JAVA exploits unless it is necessary to run the JAVA add-on in the browser to work with one or more sites. > > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Pascal Lambert > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 12:45 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] Java accessibility > > > Hi, > > I had two encounters with a message from Water Fox asking me to update my Java. I ignored it. Should I update? Is it needed? > > Thanks > > Blessings > > Pascal > > > > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of MAX > Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2019 11:50 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] Java accessibility > > > > My only brush with Java is in the Arduino I D E (integrated development environment, Jaws will not read it. Even after installing Java access bridge. After switching over to NVDA I found that it would. I did not uninstall Java access bridge so I must assume it is still on my computer. > > > > > > 73 (Regards). > > > > Max K 4 O D S. > > > > I've Never Lost the Wonder. > > > > Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/ > > > > > > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 12:59 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] Java accessibility > > > > Haven't used Java applications in a long time, but i seem to recall that you need to install a program called Java Access Bridge, which facilitates interaction between java and screen readers. > > > > Andy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: farhan israk > > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 10:43 PM > > Subject: [nvda] Java accessibility > > > > I want to learn java. For this reason I installed jdk and intelliJ ide. But,after opening intelliJ ide, I'm not able to navigate. If I press tab or aero keys nvda doesn't say anything. Got same result with object navigation. Nvda doesn't say anything. Now, what can I do? > > > > > >
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Isaac Porat
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I did not use this particular IDE but used Eclipse and more recently AndroidStudio both also written in Java. I did not use Jaws for some years but at the time Java support was very poor, NVDA support is much better. As long as you have Java installed the Java access bridge comes with it, no need to install it separately. Sometimes for some reason it is not activated and needs to be activated manually. Unlike the poor advice given in another message, the java updater places a message on the tray when a new version is available and if you need java, always update. None of the browser need Java they are mostly written in C / C++. The various security risks when running Java in the browser where fixed few years ago and if I am not mistaken from Java version 9 add ons are not supported anymore. Regards Isaac
On 05/01/2019 16:50, MAX wrote:
My only brush with Java is in the Arduino I D E (integrated development environment, Jaws will not read it. Even after installing Java access bridge. After switching over to NVDA I found that it would. I did not uninstall Java access bridge so I must assume it is still on my computer.
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farhan israk
Thanks to all. How to get access to dev mailing list? I'm not able to enable java access bridge. If I run %JRE_HOME%\bin\jabswitch -enable command in command prompt, command prompt shows specified path is not available. I also tried arduino ide but couldn't use it due to accessibility issue. I also tried to install android studio but couldn't install it. In second page of I need to check android studio. I pressed space many times on it but couldn't check it. It remained unchecked. I installed clips ide. I found it very much accessible. I can easily use it. I want to know few things regarding this ide. Do I need to change any settings? How to compile and run code after writing code?
On Sun, 6 Jan 2019, 8:38 pm Isaac Porat <isaac@... wrote: Hi
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Antony Stone
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On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:13:05, farhan israk wrote:
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Chris Mullins
Hi Not sure what Operating system you are using but the following has given me trouble free Java Access bridge use under W10 for a long time.
Cheers Chris
For 64-bit Windows machines, you should install both the 64 and 32-bit versions of the Java Runtime Environment (JRE), for 32-bit Windows machines, only the 32-bit JRE is required. Note: if you use the Java Development Kit (JDK), you do not need JRE as the relevant DLL's are included however, Java Access Bridge (JAB) dll-s stil need to be in the relevant folders, so please apply the rules below to get JAB to work with your screen reader.
The Java installers are notoriously bad at putting files associated with JAB into the correct folders, particularly on 64-bit Windows systems and it is sometimes necessary to do the task manually. I have found that downloading and installing the off-line installers from java.com gives a more consistent result. The automatic notification that a new version of Java can be installed is, in my opinion, the worst culprit where incorrect JAB installation is concerned. Below are the details for putting JAB files into the correct folders on Windows systems.
64-bit Windows 1A. After running both 64-bit and 32-bit installers, ensure the following dll files are in the folders shown and are dated the day you ran the respective Installers: Windows\System32\WindowsAccessBridge-64.dll Windows\SysWow64\WindowsAccessBridge-32.dll
2A. If either/both dll is missing or has the wrong date, you can find them in the following folders: Program Files\Java\jrex.x.x_y\WindowsAccessBridge-64.dll Program Files(X86)\Java\jrex.x.x_y\WindowsAccessBridge-32.dll
Where x.x.x is the Java version number and y is the java update number. You may copy missing dll's from these locations to those locations detailed in 1A above.
32-bit Windows 1B. After installing the 32-bit JRE, ensure the following dll file is in the folder shown and is dated the day you ran the JRE installation package: Windows\System32\WindowsAccessBridge-32.dll
2B. If the dll is missing or has the wrong date, you can find it in the following folder: Program Files\Java\jrex.x.x_y\WindowsAccessBridge-32.dll
Where x.x.x is the Java version number and y is the java update number. You may copy the missing dll from this location to the location detailed in 1B above.
Additional Note: I have had a situation where I could not do a manual copy of a dll due to there being an existing copy in the target folder, pre-dating the one I was wanting to copy, which was currently in use so unable to be replaced. I quit my screen reader and used Narrator to complete the copy process.
In NVDA you can tell if the JAB is not being picked up by checking the NVDA log file where you will find the following warning message when the JAB dll file is missing. You will find this message shortly before the line "NVDA Initialized".
WARNING - core.main (HH:MM:SS.TTT): Java Access Bridge not available
In Windows 10 and possibly Windows 7, check that Java Access Bridge is initialised using Ease of Access Center. Open the EoAC, arrow down to "Use the Computer without a display" and press enter. You should find a check box entitled "Enable Java Access Bridge".
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of farhan israk
Sent: 14 January 2019 11:13 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Java accessibility
Thanks to all. How to get access to dev mailing list? I'm not able to enable java access bridge. If I run %JRE_HOME%\bin\jabswitch -enable command in command prompt, command prompt shows specified path is not available. I also tried arduino ide but couldn't use it due to accessibility issue. I also tried to install android studio but couldn't install it. In second page of I need to check android studio. I pressed space many times on it but couldn't check it. It remained unchecked. I installed clips ide. I found it very much accessible. I can easily use it. I want to know few things regarding this ide. Do I need to change any settings? How to compile and run code after writing code?
On Sun, 6 Jan 2019, 8:38 pm Isaac Porat <isaac@... wrote:
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