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Changing to G-Chrome?
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David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...>
Hi NVDA Group,
I am in search of a new browser to replace use of FireFox 52. It does not reproduce hyperlinks, and more people are telling me that only the URL for a website appears in their email from me, not hyperlinked. As an author, I cannot really have this occur. Some years ago G-chrome seemed not to work that well with Jaws or NVDA and either FireFox or Internet Exp were recommended for compatibility. I have a Windows 7 computer, and wonder if I switch to G-Chrome, do I get the hyperlinks insertion as automatic, and does it take time to learn how to re-use email or the internet? My GMail setting is for HTML. If there is another browser option, please suggest. Thanks. Cheers, -- David Russell david.sonofhashem@... |
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Brian's Mail list account
So you are using the web interface for email are you?
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I never had much luck with that myself. The question is, is it in fact Firefox or is it because you are using the basic version of gmail? Have you thought about using a client instead of webmail? If your windows 7 is 64 bit I can say that the latest version of Firefox is working a lot better these days, but of course still has no sounds. You could try waterfox 64 as it is more like Firefox 52 but has more security fixes. Some web sites are increasingly saying its not supported so I think the author is going to lie about what version it is to get around the issue soon. There is no real problem with older firefox versions but many sites seem to be elitist. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:46 PM Subject: [nvda] Changing to G-Chrome? Hi NVDA Group, |
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Gene
I doubt that the problem is a well established
browser with a long time of use by the public. How are you sending web
pages? That is the first question?
Using Chrome will be almost identical in terms of
browsing. Chrome, firefox, and Internet Explorer all use what used to be
called MSAA, I'm not sure what it is called now, I think UIA, to display pages
and to provide quick navigation commands. The browser is working with the
screen-reader to provide this form of accessibility.
If you want to work with settings, and book marks, that
will take a little learning but it won't be a major transition. Also, why
are you still using Firefox version 52? You say it doesn't do something
but it is about ten versions old. Why not try the newest Firefox?
Try the portable version. You can then have the old, insecure because it
hasn't gotten updates for maybe a year version installed and the newest version
to try as a portable version. Whatever browser you use, I'm
very suspicious that you are not sending pages in the proper way to have
embedded links appear.
But also, whatever browser you use, it is a bad idea to use old versions except in specific cases such as if you want to use Webvisum with a specific site. You would then use the current version for your other browsing. Gene
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----- I am in search of a new browser to replace use of FireFox 52. It does not reproduce hyperlinks, and more people are telling me that only the URL for a website appears in their email from me, not hyperlinked. As an author, I cannot really have this occur. Some years ago G-chrome seemed not to work that well with Jaws or NVDA and either FireFox or Internet Exp were recommended for compatibility. I have a Windows 7 computer, and wonder if I switch to G-Chrome, do I get the hyperlinks insertion as automatic, and does it take time to learn how to re-use email or the internet? My GMail setting is for HTML. If there is another browser option, please suggest. Thanks. Cheers, -- David Russell david.sonofhashem@... |
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I say the following without any intent of being snarky: There is operator error going on here, somewhere.
I use Gmail's web interface (full, not basic HTML, but that shouldn't matter) along with Firefox, Chrome, and, at times, Edge and one can copy and paste a hyperlink in "click through text" format without any difficulty. It's a matter of figuring out where, precisely, something's gone amiss. This sort of thing can and does happen if either the sender or the recipient uses any method to force their messages to plain text. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Gene
My suspicion, and its gotten stronger as I consider
the question, is that you are copying a web page to the clipboard and then
pasting it into an e-mail message. If that is what you are doing, your
browser has nothing to do with the problem. It's the way NVDA copies web
page text to the clipboard.
Do the following:
Turn off browse mode when you are on the page you
want to copy.
Use control a to select the page.
Copy it to the clipboard with control c. Turn
browse mode on again and paste it where you want it. Then edit it as
desired. You can't copy embedded links with Browse Mode on. This is
a screen-reader and not a browser behavior.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
I doubt that the problem is a well established
browser with a long time of use by the public. How are you sending web
pages? That is the first question?
Using Chrome will be almost identical in terms of
browsing. Chrome, firefox, and Internet Explorer all use what used to be
called MSAA, I'm not sure what it is called now, I think UIA, to display pages
and to provide quick navigation commands. The browser is working with the
screen-reader to provide this form of accessibility.
If you want to work with settings, and book marks, that
will take a little learning but it won't be a major transition. Also, why
are you still using Firefox version 52? You say it doesn't do something
but it is about ten versions old. Why not try the newest Firefox?
Try the portable version. You can then have the old, insecure because it
hasn't gotten updates for maybe a year version installed and the newest version
to try as a portable version. Whatever browser you use, I'm
very suspicious that you are not sending pages in the proper way to have
embedded links appear.
But also, whatever browser you use, it is a bad idea to use old versions except in specific cases such as if you want to use Webvisum with a specific site. You would then use the current version for your other browsing. Gene
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I am in search of a new browser to replace use of FireFox 52. It does not reproduce hyperlinks, and more people are telling me that only the URL for a website appears in their email from me, not hyperlinked. As an author, I cannot really have this occur. Some years ago G-chrome seemed not to work that well with Jaws or NVDA and either FireFox or Internet Exp were recommended for compatibility. I have a Windows 7 computer, and wonder if I switch to G-Chrome, do I get the hyperlinks insertion as automatic, and does it take time to learn how to re-use email or the internet? My GMail setting is for HTML. If there is another browser option, please suggest. Thanks. Cheers, -- David Russell david.sonofhashem@... |
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Brian's Mail list account
Yes of course, but even then one can actually edit it so it will work if displayed as html. You just have to remove the clutter that the hyperlink coding and the ascii coding show up as. I suspect though that most using a client need to set up as.
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reply to messages in the format they were sent, but send new messages in text. In the majority of cases the means forwarded messages have the links intact, but new ones you write may not unless you are careful pasting in a link. I always give them a line of their own. Also of course in the main, if a link does not work surely the person the other end is capable of highlighting the link copying it to the pad and then pasting it into the address bar of their browser. I think the emails that annoy me the most are those which have no obvious links if read, ie they may say we at blogs and co have made it ultra simple for you to use our chicken plucking machine, where the link is actually the words made it simple or some other silly selection. Bah humbug I say. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing to G-Chrome? I say the following without any intent of being snarky: There is operator error going on here, somewhere. I use Gmail's web interface (full, not basic HTML, but that shouldn't matter) along with Firefox, Chrome, and, at times, Edge and one can copy and paste a hyperlink in "click through text" format without any difficulty. It's a matter of figuring out where, precisely, something's gone amiss. This sort of thing can and does happen if either the sender or the recipient uses any method to force their messages to plain text. -- Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.* ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back |
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On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 02:20 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I think the emails that annoy me the most are those which have no obvious links if read, ie they may say we at blogs and co have made it ultra simple for you to use our chicken plucking machine, where the link is actually the words made it simple or some other silly selection.Well, if you didn't find blatant stupidity annoying you'd have to question your own sanity! Click-through text should always be carefully chosen to focus on the content words, in context. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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