NVDA and ads blocker


Gene
 

If quantum runs well on your machine, the current version.  If it doesn't run well, you would have to run a version of either 52X or older and that, of course isn't recommended because of security reasons.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

Dear of Gene & List:

 

What is the presently recommended version of Firefox for Windows 10 screenreader users to run?

Have a 64-bit PC.

 

Brian K. Lingard

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January 22, 2019 9:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

You can use it and it is still good but it is not as good as it used to be before Firefox Quantum came out.  It is not as easy to understand as to the interface and it does not have as many features in the redesigned version for the brave new Firefox.  Will Firefox ever stop requiring its add-on developers to modify them every few years?  I wonder how many add-ons have been abandoned by their developers after having the modify them at least two times in the last number of years.

 

 

I am not recommending the method I gave over the add-on and the add-on provides good protections.  However, those interested may compare the two if they wish.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:35 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

Marcio,

            If you want to block scripts, Java and several other kinds, in Firefox then use the Add-On NoScript.  It is available from https://noscript.net/ , has been around for a very long time, and is pretty much "install it and forget it.  For myself, full script blocking is overkill, as it disables many functions I actually want to keep.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  


Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear of Gene & List:

 

What is the presently recommended version of Firefox for Windows 10 screenreader users to run?

Have a 64-bit PC.

 

Brian K. Lingard

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January 22, 2019 9:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

You can use it and it is still good but it is not as good as it used to be before Firefox Quantum came out.  It is not as easy to understand as to the interface and it does not have as many features in the redesigned version for the brave new Firefox.  Will Firefox ever stop requiring its add-on developers to modify them every few years?  I wonder how many add-ons have been abandoned by their developers after having the modify them at least two times in the last number of years.

 

 

I am not recommending the method I gave over the add-on and the add-on provides good protections.  However, those interested may compare the two if they wish.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:35 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

Marcio,

            If you want to block scripts, Java and several other kinds, in Firefox then use the Add-On NoScript.  It is available from https://noscript.net/ , has been around for a very long time, and is pretty much "install it and forget it.  For myself, full script blocking is overkill, as it disables many functions I actually want to keep.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  


Sarah k Alawami
 

Yeah. Won't work on the site I gave. I just tried it. And it's on. I love it for safari, it is seeming to work well, except on that site.

Take care

On 22 Jan 2019, at 16:57, Brian Vogel wrote:

Marcio,

         If you want a softer approach, then please just start out with uBlock Origin, which blocks ads and selectively blocks "annoying" scripts (my term, not theirs).  If you find you want something more aggressive afterward, then try NoScript.

          Both of these programs run in "install it and forget it" mode, but both are also wildly customizable if one so chooses.  I have not so chosen, except to suspend uBlock Origin on a couple of sites where I stream commercial TV content and cannot get it to work if uBlock is active.  What's funny is that adding the Privacy Badger extension brought back blocking of TV ads when streaming (or at least it did 2 days ago) which is something that used to work with both uBlock and Adblock Plus until ABC.com blocked all content if you had either activated.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Sarah k Alawami
 

Agreed. The site I visit platinum airways is chock full of adds. I can't even get to the history of my DOTW, even though my bf can and we are both running the same browser, on the mac anyway. I get stuck in a pacture. There are other ways to get there but still I was going to read the history of sitka this week. Oh well.

Take care

On 22 Jan 2019, at 15:12, Lino Morales wrote:

Gene it’s a way to get to the pertant INFO say in an article. It’s a bear to find the beginning of a news article a lot of the time. Like I said before pages content are always changing so I feel this not effective. Adds are everywhere. We just got to find a happy medium to filter out all the clutter. The more I visit sites like:

www.wnd.com etc. the worse it gets.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gene <gsasner@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 6:06:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker
 
I doubt that ads are consistent on web sites.  They may be of different sizes, and I wouldn't assume they will remain on the same exact part of the page.  I don't ever recall Flexible Web described as a way to skip ads. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

I don’t know if the Jaws Flexible Web main purpose is to work as an add blocker.

I use it to filter out/block elements like in forums (Reddit for example) and other sites/domains where things are pretty constant and just the simple structure of the site is a bit too cluttered for me.

Cristóbal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 2:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

Way worse Bryan. I can attest to this. This is a far better solution than JAW’s Flexible Web. I mean pages regardless of being a news site or not are constantly changing so to me this type of thing they are doing is ineffective IMHO. So don’t get any bright ideas NVDA add-on devs on here. Said add-on should do it no matter what screen reader you use.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 4:49:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 02:19 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Brian does it weed out most of the adds on news sites etc. You’ve talked about this extention before

Simple answer:  yes.    It essentially wipes out all online ads anywhere they occur.   As new ones pop up the set of definitions gets updated very quickly and most of us never see them.  

I can't imagine browsing without an ad blocker.  They drove me mad with the visual distraction (not to mention auditory, for some) well over a decade ago and I cannot imagine that things have gotten any better, probably they've gotten worse.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Gene
 

In Chrome, do the following:
Open the settings in Chrome and tab a good way to advanced.  It's a button.  Press the space bar. 
Tab to content settings.  It's a button.  Press the space bar.
Now, bookmark the page so you can open it efficiently in future.
Use your screen-reader's search to search for JAVA.  It’s a button.  Press the space bar.
Tab once and you will find another button that tells you whether JAVA is blocked or allowed.  Press the space bar to toggle between the settings.
When you have it set as you wish, Shift tab once and you will be on a back button.  Press the back button. 
You will be back on the original JAVA button again.  Leave the window opened so you can press that button and follow the procedure again if you want to change it during your session.
Also, I told you a way I know works.  You may just be able to not use the back button and stay on the blocked/allowed button and press it when you want to change the setting.  You can experiment. I haven't checked. 
 
What I said about using shift enter or control enter applies in Chrome as well as firefox.  they are standard commands in at least Chrome, firefox, and Internet Explorer.  I would think they are available in many other browsers.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

Yes please.

Many thanks.

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 10:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

Do you want the instructions for Chrome as well? 

 

its not a question of novices.  Most people wouldn't know or wouldn't have thought of applying these various tasks in one related manner.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 7:05 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

Thank you Gene for taking the time to write down the instructions for us novices.

Blessings

Pascal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

This explanation is long.  It explains how to do this and gives an example of an efficient way to use this setting and how it may benefit you.

 

In firefox, it is a few steps to get to the place where you change the setting.  But once there, if you leave a window or tab opened, you can change it between on and off by just pressing enter in that window or tab.

Here is how you get to the setting:

In the browser address bar, type about:config.  Look at what I wrote character by character to see exactly how to type it.

Press enter.

A warning will come up.  Press the space bar.

you are now in a search field.

The first time you do this, once you are in the search field, you may want to bookmark the page for the fastest use in the future.  If you follow the bookmark, you will be on the warning message so press the space bar.

 

In the search field, type the following exactly as written:

pt.en

Tab once.  I think there is only one item in the results.  But if not, there will be very few.  The item you want says JAVA script default enabled or something very similar.  Select it if you are on it with the space bar or down arrow and up arrow.  Press enter.  it will then say
JAVA script user set bullian false or something similar. 

It is now off. 

Leave that Window opened.

Open a new window for your browsing with control n.  Or open a new tab with control t.  if you know how to move from tab to tab and from window to window, open whatever you want. 

 

If you go to a page that requires JAVA script, move to the settings window, press enter, go back to the page and reload it with f5.  If you know in advance that the page requires JAVA script, you can change the setting and then load the page as usual in the other window or tab.

As I said in another message, many pages now require scripts to function properly.  but when you are dealing with a site where certain pages do and certain ones don't like The New York Times Site, if you do the following, you will have easier to navigate article pages.

Open the home page or another page that requires scripts.  I don't know which do and don't in general.  the home page does as does the New York Times in print page.  You can tell by experimentation and what you know about sites you have visited if the pages display as they should when scripts are off.  The Times home page doesn't show all content if JAVA is off.  It shows some and for just a quick look at some important articles, that's fine.  But perhaps thirty to forty percent of the articles can't be seen if scripts are off.  So if you want to see all the articles and read them conveniently with scripts off, do the following:

Open The times home page, for example with Scripts enabled.

Then switch to the settings window and press enter to turn scripts off. 

Now go back to the other page.  Scripts will still be running on that page because it was opened before you changed the setting.  Find an article you want to read.  Use Shift enter instead of just enter.  The article will open in a new window and scripts won't be runnning.  The page may load noticeably faster and there will be considerably less interruptions on the page for things like advertising. 

Once finished, close the window with alt f4.  You will be back in the home page window, just where you left off. 

 

As I said, it's somewhat or rather geeky, but you may see benefits well worth having if you experiment and try seeing how things differ when scripts are allowed and not.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:18 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

Gene,
I would to know how to do it in Firefox. Please, may you explain it to us? :)


Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 22/01/2019 21:16, Gene escreveu:

This would probably be considered a somewhat geeky solution but it is effective and something some people might want to know about.  I avoid a lot of problems on pages that don't require JAVA script by having it off on such pages..  Alot of what you are describing, intrusive ads, refreshing pages, videos or audio that plays, are often displayed or played by use of JAVA scripts. 

 

As one possible solution to the audio problem when JAVA scripts are on, I saw in one browser, it may have been Chrome, a setting that allows you to tell the browser not to play audio on web pages.  I don't recall the exact wording and it might be different such as referring to audio and videos or a variation.  Others may know about that setting.  I saw it in passing recently but I didn't try to remember anything about it. 

 

Increasingly, pages require JAVA scripts to work properly but on a page with an article, you usually don't need to have it on.  I can explain more how I do this reasonably efficiently in Chrome and Firefox if people want to know. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

I was just wandering as the web is getting more and more difficult for us visually impaired and blind person.  It is not only the ads but also videos that suddenly are launched when you are trying to read something and pages that refreshed and you are no longer where you were as what you were reading has moved.  All these annoyances make the web, at times, difficult to navigate.  My first option is coming to this fortunate list and various members have kindly provided various solutions.  Thanks for your suggestions.

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

The ADA says things should be accessible.  I don't know if inconvenience ever rises to a level of a violation of accessibility laws, but it often doesn't.  I would suggest, when problems of formatting or such as you are describing now are found, that you ask if people know of ways to reduce or eliminate the problem instead of first resorting to a legal remedy which you will likely not get support for by institutions or those who bring accessibility actions and which may take a long time to be ejudicated in the court system. 

 

In this case, while I don't know what browser you are using , try another browser.  Also, if you do or don't want to try another browser first, Some browsers have a reading view.  If they don't, you can use an add-on.  This removes a lot of extraneous material from web pages and it may remove these long links. 

 

also, there is an NVDA add-on I saw discussed about a month ago that may deal with a problem like yours but I don't recall the name and it may do other things you don't like.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 12:22 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

Hi All,

Today some pages are so riddled with long links that are ads, some of which are several lines long, making reading with a screen reader very annoying and difficult.  Example of pages are Breitbart.com, wnd.com… they are becoming very common which, in my view, is a violation of the ADA that we may need to look into and report.

Is there any way to skip the ads?  Is there a freeware ads blocker that works well with NVDA?

Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal

 


Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
 

Yes please.

Many thanks.

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 10:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

Do you want the instructions for Chrome as well? 

 

its not a question of novices.  Most people wouldn't know or wouldn't have thought of applying these various tasks in one related manner.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 7:05 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

Thank you Gene for taking the time to write down the instructions for us novices.

Blessings

Pascal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

This explanation is long.  It explains how to do this and gives an example of an efficient way to use this setting and how it may benefit you.

 

In firefox, it is a few steps to get to the place where you change the setting.  But once there, if you leave a window or tab opened, you can change it between on and off by just pressing enter in that window or tab.

Here is how you get to the setting:

In the browser address bar, type about:config.  Look at what I wrote character by character to see exactly how to type it.

Press enter.

A warning will come up.  Press the space bar.

you are now in a search field.

The first time you do this, once you are in the search field, you may want to bookmark the page for the fastest use in the future.  If you follow the bookmark, you will be on the warning message so press the space bar.

 

In the search field, type the following exactly as written:

pt.en

Tab once.  I think there is only one item in the results.  But if not, there will be very few.  The item you want says JAVA script default enabled or something very similar.  Select it if you are on it with the space bar or down arrow and up arrow.  Press enter.  it will then say
JAVA script user set bullian false or something similar. 

It is now off. 

Leave that Window opened.

Open a new window for your browsing with control n.  Or open a new tab with control t.  if you know how to move from tab to tab and from window to window, open whatever you want. 

 

If you go to a page that requires JAVA script, move to the settings window, press enter, go back to the page and reload it with f5.  If you know in advance that the page requires JAVA script, you can change the setting and then load the page as usual in the other window or tab.

As I said in another message, many pages now require scripts to function properly.  but when you are dealing with a site where certain pages do and certain ones don't like The New York Times Site, if you do the following, you will have easier to navigate article pages.

Open the home page or another page that requires scripts.  I don't know which do and don't in general.  the home page does as does the New York Times in print page.  You can tell by experimentation and what you know about sites you have visited if the pages display as they should when scripts are off.  The Times home page doesn't show all content if JAVA is off.  It shows some and for just a quick look at some important articles, that's fine.  But perhaps thirty to forty percent of the articles can't be seen if scripts are off.  So if you want to see all the articles and read them conveniently with scripts off, do the following:

Open The times home page, for example with Scripts enabled.

Then switch to the settings window and press enter to turn scripts off. 

Now go back to the other page.  Scripts will still be running on that page because it was opened before you changed the setting.  Find an article you want to read.  Use Shift enter instead of just enter.  The article will open in a new window and scripts won't be runnning.  The page may load noticeably faster and there will be considerably less interruptions on the page for things like advertising. 

Once finished, close the window with alt f4.  You will be back in the home page window, just where you left off. 

 

As I said, it's somewhat or rather geeky, but you may see benefits well worth having if you experiment and try seeing how things differ when scripts are allowed and not.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:18 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

Gene,
I would to know how to do it in Firefox. Please, may you explain it to us? :)


Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 22/01/2019 21:16, Gene escreveu:

This would probably be considered a somewhat geeky solution but it is effective and something some people might want to know about.  I avoid a lot of problems on pages that don't require JAVA script by having it off on such pages..  Alot of what you are describing, intrusive ads, refreshing pages, videos or audio that plays, are often displayed or played by use of JAVA scripts. 

 

As one possible solution to the audio problem when JAVA scripts are on, I saw in one browser, it may have been Chrome, a setting that allows you to tell the browser not to play audio on web pages.  I don't recall the exact wording and it might be different such as referring to audio and videos or a variation.  Others may know about that setting.  I saw it in passing recently but I didn't try to remember anything about it. 

 

Increasingly, pages require JAVA scripts to work properly but on a page with an article, you usually don't need to have it on.  I can explain more how I do this reasonably efficiently in Chrome and Firefox if people want to know. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

I was just wandering as the web is getting more and more difficult for us visually impaired and blind person.  It is not only the ads but also videos that suddenly are launched when you are trying to read something and pages that refreshed and you are no longer where you were as what you were reading has moved.  All these annoyances make the web, at times, difficult to navigate.  My first option is coming to this fortunate list and various members have kindly provided various solutions.  Thanks for your suggestions.

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

The ADA says things should be accessible.  I don't know if inconvenience ever rises to a level of a violation of accessibility laws, but it often doesn't.  I would suggest, when problems of formatting or such as you are describing now are found, that you ask if people know of ways to reduce or eliminate the problem instead of first resorting to a legal remedy which you will likely not get support for by institutions or those who bring accessibility actions and which may take a long time to be ejudicated in the court system. 

 

In this case, while I don't know what browser you are using , try another browser.  Also, if you do or don't want to try another browser first, Some browsers have a reading view.  If they don't, you can use an add-on.  This removes a lot of extraneous material from web pages and it may remove these long links. 

 

also, there is an NVDA add-on I saw discussed about a month ago that may deal with a problem like yours but I don't recall the name and it may do other things you don't like.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 12:22 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

Hi All,

Today some pages are so riddled with long links that are ads, some of which are several lines long, making reading with a screen reader very annoying and difficult.  Example of pages are Breitbart.com, wnd.com… they are becoming very common which, in my view, is a violation of the ADA that we may need to look into and report.

Is there any way to skip the ads?  Is there a freeware ads blocker that works well with NVDA?

Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal

 


 

George,

         First, you need to have navigated to the page on which you wish to have it disabled.  Then:

1. Hit ALT to throw focus to the Chrome Menu button, then left arrow over until you find the uBlock Origin menu button (and, if you happen to have installed uBlock Origin Extra under Chrome, make sure that you're not on that button).   Hit Enter to activate the uBlock Origin Menu.

2.  Tab once to land on the "Disable uBlock Origin On This Page Button."   Hit Enter or Spacebar to activate it.

3.  uBlock Origin is now deactivated for that page until or unless you repeat this process again.  The Disable button is really a toggle - if uBlock Origin is enabled it disables it and vice versa.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
 

Brian,


How does one suspend uBlock Origin for specific sites?

I have used it for years and have not been able to do it.


Thank you,

George

On 1/22/2019 6:57 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Marcio,

         If you want a softer approach, then please just start out with uBlock Origin, which blocks ads and selectively blocks "annoying" scripts (my term, not theirs).  If you find you want something more aggressive afterward, then try NoScript.

          Both of these programs run in "install it and forget it" mode, but both are also wildly customizable if one so chooses.  I have not so chosen, except to suspend uBlock Origin on a couple of sites where I stream commercial TV content and cannot get it to work if uBlock is active.  What's funny is that adding the Privacy Badger extension brought back blocking of TV ads when streaming (or at least it did 2 days ago) which is something that used to work with both uBlock and Adblock Plus until ABC.com blocked all content if you had either activated.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Gene
 

Do you want the instructions for Chrome as well? 
 
its not a question of novices.  Most people wouldn't know or wouldn't have thought of applying these various tasks in one related manner.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

Thank you Gene for taking the time to write down the instructions for us novices.

Blessings

Pascal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

This explanation is long.  It explains how to do this and gives an example of an efficient way to use this setting and how it may benefit you.

 

In firefox, it is a few steps to get to the place where you change the setting.  But once there, if you leave a window or tab opened, you can change it between on and off by just pressing enter in that window or tab.

Here is how you get to the setting:

In the browser address bar, type about:config.  Look at what I wrote character by character to see exactly how to type it.

Press enter.

A warning will come up.  Press the space bar.

you are now in a search field.

The first time you do this, once you are in the search field, you may want to bookmark the page for the fastest use in the future.  If you follow the bookmark, you will be on the warning message so press the space bar.

 

In the search field, type the following exactly as written:

pt.en

Tab once.  I think there is only one item in the results.  But if not, there will be very few.  The item you want says JAVA script default enabled or something very similar.  Select it if you are on it with the space bar or down arrow and up arrow.  Press enter.  it will then say
JAVA script user set bullian false or something similar. 

It is now off. 

Leave that Window opened.

Open a new window for your browsing with control n.  Or open a new tab with control t.  if you know how to move from tab to tab and from window to window, open whatever you want. 

 

If you go to a page that requires JAVA script, move to the settings window, press enter, go back to the page and reload it with f5.  If you know in advance that the page requires JAVA script, you can change the setting and then load the page as usual in the other window or tab.

As I said in another message, many pages now require scripts to function properly.  but when you are dealing with a site where certain pages do and certain ones don't like The New York Times Site, if you do the following, you will have easier to navigate article pages.

Open the home page or another page that requires scripts.  I don't know which do and don't in general.  the home page does as does the New York Times in print page.  You can tell by experimentation and what you know about sites you have visited if the pages display as they should when scripts are off.  The Times home page doesn't show all content if JAVA is off.  It shows some and for just a quick look at some important articles, that's fine.  But perhaps thirty to forty percent of the articles can't be seen if scripts are off.  So if you want to see all the articles and read them conveniently with scripts off, do the following:

Open The times home page, for example with Scripts enabled.

Then switch to the settings window and press enter to turn scripts off. 

Now go back to the other page.  Scripts will still be running on that page because it was opened before you changed the setting.  Find an article you want to read.  Use Shift enter instead of just enter.  The article will open in a new window and scripts won't be runnning.  The page may load noticeably faster and there will be considerably less interruptions on the page for things like advertising. 

Once finished, close the window with alt f4.  You will be back in the home page window, just where you left off. 

 

As I said, it's somewhat or rather geeky, but you may see benefits well worth having if you experiment and try seeing how things differ when scripts are allowed and not.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:18 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

Gene,
I would to know how to do it in Firefox. Please, may you explain it to us? :)


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 22/01/2019 21:16, Gene escreveu:

This would probably be considered a somewhat geeky solution but it is effective and something some people might want to know about.  I avoid a lot of problems on pages that don't require JAVA script by having it off on such pages..  Alot of what you are describing, intrusive ads, refreshing pages, videos or audio that plays, are often displayed or played by use of JAVA scripts. 

 

As one possible solution to the audio problem when JAVA scripts are on, I saw in one browser, it may have been Chrome, a setting that allows you to tell the browser not to play audio on web pages.  I don't recall the exact wording and it might be different such as referring to audio and videos or a variation.  Others may know about that setting.  I saw it in passing recently but I didn't try to remember anything about it. 

 

Increasingly, pages require JAVA scripts to work properly but on a page with an article, you usually don't need to have it on.  I can explain more how I do this reasonably efficiently in Chrome and Firefox if people want to know. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

I was just wandering as the web is getting more and more difficult for us visually impaired and blind person.  It is not only the ads but also videos that suddenly are launched when you are trying to read something and pages that refreshed and you are no longer where you were as what you were reading has moved.  All these annoyances make the web, at times, difficult to navigate.  My first option is coming to this fortunate list and various members have kindly provided various solutions.  Thanks for your suggestions.

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

The ADA says things should be accessible.  I don't know if inconvenience ever rises to a level of a violation of accessibility laws, but it often doesn't.  I would suggest, when problems of formatting or such as you are describing now are found, that you ask if people know of ways to reduce or eliminate the problem instead of first resorting to a legal remedy which you will likely not get support for by institutions or those who bring accessibility actions and which may take a long time to be ejudicated in the court system. 

 

In this case, while I don't know what browser you are using , try another browser.  Also, if you do or don't want to try another browser first, Some browsers have a reading view.  If they don't, you can use an add-on.  This removes a lot of extraneous material from web pages and it may remove these long links. 

 

also, there is an NVDA add-on I saw discussed about a month ago that may deal with a problem like yours but I don't recall the name and it may do other things you don't like.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 12:22 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

Hi All,

Today some pages are so riddled with long links that are ads, some of which are several lines long, making reading with a screen reader very annoying and difficult.  Example of pages are Breitbart.com, wnd.com… they are becoming very common which, in my view, is a violation of the ADA that we may need to look into and report.

Is there any way to skip the ads?  Is there a freeware ads blocker that works well with NVDA?

Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal

 


Gene
 

It doesn't matter if the ads are accessible.  They shouldn't interfere with a blind person using the site.  But good luck with that quixotic battle.  Ads come from all sorts of companies and are usually third party ads.  If they're are only a small number of ad designers, there might be some hope.  But I suspect the number is large.
 
You say there are an increasing number of sites that don't allow you to use them if an ad blocker is on.  They may be usable using my method. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

I'm encountering not so much ads, but long links mainly used to track. By
which I mean, say you subscribe to an rss or mail list feed from a council.
they will send an html email in which these long links are not just the
direct address of a page, but are designed to click through some kind of
click measuring or tracking system so, one assumes they can find out where
you got to the information from ie, from another web site, or the email list
etc. I know of no add blocker which can sort this mess out, as strictly
speaking they are still links on the page much like the long javascript ones
you see a lot that mean nothing, but are often hidden from the sighted in
some way.
 If they are actual adverts, then I've a pet peeve to  say, and I do not see
how nvda can be adapted to fix it. Many sites will not let you in if they
see an ad blocker but it matters not how accessible the underlying site is
if the advertisers make their adverts disruptive to access software with
scrolling messages moving graphics or all sorts of other effects. Surely if
a site is accessible they should be able to stipulate that any ads sent via
it are accessible as well.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Pascal Lambert " <coccinelle86@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 6:22 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker


> Hi All,
>
> Today some pages are so riddled with long links that are ads, some of
> which
> are several lines long, making reading with a screen reader very annoying
> and difficult.  Example of pages are Breitbart.com, wnd.com. they are
> becoming very common which, in my view, is a violation of the ADA that we
> may need to look into and report.
>
> Is there any way to skip the ads?  Is there a freeware ads blocker that
> works well with NVDA?
>
> Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Blessings
>
> Pascal
>
>
>
>
>




Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
 

Thank you Gene for taking the time to write down the instructions for us novices.

Blessings

Pascal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

This explanation is long.  It explains how to do this and gives an example of an efficient way to use this setting and how it may benefit you.

 

In firefox, it is a few steps to get to the place where you change the setting.  But once there, if you leave a window or tab opened, you can change it between on and off by just pressing enter in that window or tab.

Here is how you get to the setting:

In the browser address bar, type about:config.  Look at what I wrote character by character to see exactly how to type it.

Press enter.

A warning will come up.  Press the space bar.

you are now in a search field.

The first time you do this, once you are in the search field, you may want to bookmark the page for the fastest use in the future.  If you follow the bookmark, you will be on the warning message so press the space bar.

 

In the search field, type the following exactly as written:

pt.en

Tab once.  I think there is only one item in the results.  But if not, there will be very few.  The item you want says JAVA script default enabled or something very similar.  Select it if you are on it with the space bar or down arrow and up arrow.  Press enter.  it will then say
JAVA script user set bullian false or something similar. 

It is now off. 

Leave that Window opened.

Open a new window for your browsing with control n.  Or open a new tab with control t.  if you know how to move from tab to tab and from window to window, open whatever you want. 

 

If you go to a page that requires JAVA script, move to the settings window, press enter, go back to the page and reload it with f5.  If you know in advance that the page requires JAVA script, you can change the setting and then load the page as usual in the other window or tab.

As I said in another message, many pages now require scripts to function properly.  but when you are dealing with a site where certain pages do and certain ones don't like The New York Times Site, if you do the following, you will have easier to navigate article pages.

Open the home page or another page that requires scripts.  I don't know which do and don't in general.  the home page does as does the New York Times in print page.  You can tell by experimentation and what you know about sites you have visited if the pages display as they should when scripts are off.  The Times home page doesn't show all content if JAVA is off.  It shows some and for just a quick look at some important articles, that's fine.  But perhaps thirty to forty percent of the articles can't be seen if scripts are off.  So if you want to see all the articles and read them conveniently with scripts off, do the following:

Open The times home page, for example with Scripts enabled.

Then switch to the settings window and press enter to turn scripts off. 

Now go back to the other page.  Scripts will still be running on that page because it was opened before you changed the setting.  Find an article you want to read.  Use Shift enter instead of just enter.  The article will open in a new window and scripts won't be runnning.  The page may load noticeably faster and there will be considerably less interruptions on the page for things like advertising. 

Once finished, close the window with alt f4.  You will be back in the home page window, just where you left off. 

 

As I said, it's somewhat or rather geeky, but you may see benefits well worth having if you experiment and try seeing how things differ when scripts are allowed and not.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:18 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

Gene,
I would to know how to do it in Firefox. Please, may you explain it to us? :)


Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 22/01/2019 21:16, Gene escreveu:

This would probably be considered a somewhat geeky solution but it is effective and something some people might want to know about.  I avoid a lot of problems on pages that don't require JAVA script by having it off on such pages..  Alot of what you are describing, intrusive ads, refreshing pages, videos or audio that plays, are often displayed or played by use of JAVA scripts. 

 

As one possible solution to the audio problem when JAVA scripts are on, I saw in one browser, it may have been Chrome, a setting that allows you to tell the browser not to play audio on web pages.  I don't recall the exact wording and it might be different such as referring to audio and videos or a variation.  Others may know about that setting.  I saw it in passing recently but I didn't try to remember anything about it. 

 

Increasingly, pages require JAVA scripts to work properly but on a page with an article, you usually don't need to have it on.  I can explain more how I do this reasonably efficiently in Chrome and Firefox if people want to know. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

I was just wandering as the web is getting more and more difficult for us visually impaired and blind person.  It is not only the ads but also videos that suddenly are launched when you are trying to read something and pages that refreshed and you are no longer where you were as what you were reading has moved.  All these annoyances make the web, at times, difficult to navigate.  My first option is coming to this fortunate list and various members have kindly provided various solutions.  Thanks for your suggestions.

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

The ADA says things should be accessible.  I don't know if inconvenience ever rises to a level of a violation of accessibility laws, but it often doesn't.  I would suggest, when problems of formatting or such as you are describing now are found, that you ask if people know of ways to reduce or eliminate the problem instead of first resorting to a legal remedy which you will likely not get support for by institutions or those who bring accessibility actions and which may take a long time to be ejudicated in the court system. 

 

In this case, while I don't know what browser you are using , try another browser.  Also, if you do or don't want to try another browser first, Some browsers have a reading view.  If they don't, you can use an add-on.  This removes a lot of extraneous material from web pages and it may remove these long links. 

 

also, there is an NVDA add-on I saw discussed about a month ago that may deal with a problem like yours but I don't recall the name and it may do other things you don't like.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 12:22 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

Hi All,

Today some pages are so riddled with long links that are ads, some of which are several lines long, making reading with a screen reader very annoying and difficult.  Example of pages are Breitbart.com, wnd.com… they are becoming very common which, in my view, is a violation of the ADA that we may need to look into and report.

Is there any way to skip the ads?  Is there a freeware ads blocker that works well with NVDA?

Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal

 


Brian's Mail list account
 

I'm encountering not so much ads, but long links mainly used to track. By which I mean, say you subscribe to an rss or mail list feed from a council. they will send an html email in which these long links are not just the direct address of a page, but are designed to click through some kind of click measuring or tracking system so, one assumes they can find out where you got to the information from ie, from another web site, or the email list etc. I know of no add blocker which can sort this mess out, as strictly speaking they are still links on the page much like the long javascript ones you see a lot that mean nothing, but are often hidden from the sighted in some way.
If they are actual adverts, then I've a pet peeve to say, and I do not see how nvda can be adapted to fix it. Many sites will not let you in if they see an ad blocker but it matters not how accessible the underlying site is if the advertisers make their adverts disruptive to access software with scrolling messages moving graphics or all sorts of other effects. Surely if a site is accessible they should be able to stipulate that any ads sent via it are accessible as well.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Pascal Lambert " <coccinelle86@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 6:22 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker


Hi All,

Today some pages are so riddled with long links that are ads, some of which
are several lines long, making reading with a screen reader very annoying
and difficult. Example of pages are Breitbart.com, wnd.com. they are
becoming very common which, in my view, is a violation of the ADA that we
may need to look into and report.

Is there any way to skip the ads? Is there a freeware ads blocker that
works well with NVDA?

Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal




Hope Williamson <ladyhope@...>
 

Yeah just use uBlock origin. There's an addon for Firefox, and an extension for crhome as well. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ublock-origin/cjpalhdlnbpafiamejdnhcphjbkeiagm also https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/


Gene
 

I would think so. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

Gene,
Thanks for this. Really a good tip.
In adition, I guess we also can, instead of bookmark the settings page, make a shortcut of it. That is, create a shortcut on our desktop that will put us exactly on this page when we hit enter in it.
Am I right about it?

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 23/01/2019 00:21, Gene escreveu:
This explanation is long.  It explains how to do this and gives an example of an efficient way to use this setting and how it may benefit you.
 
In firefox, it is a few steps to get to the place where you change the setting.  But once there, if you leave a window or tab opened, you can change it between on and off by just pressing enter in that window or tab.
Here is how you get to the setting:
In the browser address bar, type about:config.  Look at what I wrote character by character to see exactly how to type it.
Press enter.
A warning will come up.  Press the space bar.
you are now in a search field.
The first time you do this, once you are in the search field, you may want to bookmark the page for the fastest use in the future.  If you follow the bookmark, you will be on the warning message so press the space bar.
 
In the search field, type the following exactly as written:
pt.en
Tab once.  I think there is only one item in the results.  But if not, there will be very few.  The item you want says JAVA script default enabled or something very similar.  Select it if you are on it with the space bar or down arrow and up arrow.  Press enter.  it will then say
JAVA script user set bullian false or something similar. 
It is now off. 
Leave that Window opened.
Open a new window for your browsing with control n.  Or open a new tab with control t.  if you know how to move from tab to tab and from window to window, open whatever you want. 
 
If you go to a page that requires JAVA script, move to the settings window, press enter, go back to the page and reload it with f5.  If you know in advance that the page requires JAVA script, you can change the setting and then load the page as usual in the other window or tab.
As I said in another message, many pages now require scripts to function properly.  but when you are dealing with a site where certain pages do and certain ones don't like The New York Times Site, if you do the following, you will have easier to navigate article pages.
Open the home page or another page that requires scripts.  I don't know which do and don't in general.  the home page does as does the New York Times in print page.  You can tell by experimentation and what you know about sites you have visited if the pages display as they should when scripts are off.  The Times home page doesn't show all content if JAVA is off.  It shows some and for just a quick look at some important articles, that's fine.  But perhaps thirty to forty percent of the articles can't be seen if scripts are off.  So if you want to see all the articles and read them conveniently with scripts off, do the following:
Open The times home page, for example with Scripts enabled.
Then switch to the settings window and press enter to turn scripts off. 
Now go back to the other page.  Scripts will still be running on that page because it was opened before you changed the setting.  Find an article you want to read.  Use Shift enter instead of just enter.  The article will open in a new window and scripts won't be runnning.  The page may load noticeably faster and there will be considerably less interruptions on the page for things like advertising. 
Once finished, close the window with alt f4.  You will be back in the home page window, just where you left off. 
 
As I said, it's somewhat or rather geeky, but you may see benefits well worth having if you experiment and try seeing how things differ when scripts are allowed and not.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

Gene,
I would to know how to do it in Firefox. Please, may you explain it to us? :)

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 22/01/2019 21:16, Gene escreveu:
This would probably be considered a somewhat geeky solution but it is effective and something some people might want to know about.  I avoid a lot of problems on pages that don't require JAVA script by having it off on such pages..  Alot of what you are describing, intrusive ads, refreshing pages, videos or audio that plays, are often displayed or played by use of JAVA scripts. 
 
As one possible solution to the audio problem when JAVA scripts are on, I saw in one browser, it may have been Chrome, a setting that allows you to tell the browser not to play audio on web pages.  I don't recall the exact wording and it might be different such as referring to audio and videos or a variation.  Others may know about that setting.  I saw it in passing recently but I didn't try to remember anything about it. 
 
Increasingly, pages require JAVA scripts to work properly but on a page with an article, you usually don't need to have it on.  I can explain more how I do this reasonably efficiently in Chrome and Firefox if people want to know. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

I was just wandering as the web is getting more and more difficult for us visually impaired and blind person.  It is not only the ads but also videos that suddenly are launched when you are trying to read something and pages that refreshed and you are no longer where you were as what you were reading has moved.  All these annoyances make the web, at times, difficult to navigate.  My first option is coming to this fortunate list and various members have kindly provided various solutions.  Thanks for your suggestions.

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

The ADA says things should be accessible.  I don't know if inconvenience ever rises to a level of a violation of accessibility laws, but it often doesn't.  I would suggest, when problems of formatting or such as you are describing now are found, that you ask if people know of ways to reduce or eliminate the problem instead of first resorting to a legal remedy which you will likely not get support for by institutions or those who bring accessibility actions and which may take a long time to be ejudicated in the court system. 

 

In this case, while I don't know what browser you are using , try another browser.  Also, if you do or don't want to try another browser first, Some browsers have a reading view.  If they don't, you can use an add-on.  This removes a lot of extraneous material from web pages and it may remove these long links. 

 

also, there is an NVDA add-on I saw discussed about a month ago that may deal with a problem like yours but I don't recall the name and it may do other things you don't like.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 12:22 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

Hi All,

Today some pages are so riddled with long links that are ads, some of which are several lines long, making reading with a screen reader very annoying and difficult.  Example of pages are Breitbart.com, wnd.com… they are becoming very common which, in my view, is a violation of the ADA that we may need to look into and report.

Is there any way to skip the ads?  Is there a freeware ads blocker that works well with NVDA?

Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal




 

Gene,
Thanks for this. Really a good tip.
In adition, I guess we also can, instead of bookmark the settings page, make a shortcut of it. That is, create a shortcut on our desktop that will put us exactly on this page when we hit enter in it.
Am I right about it?

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 23/01/2019 00:21, Gene escreveu:

This explanation is long.  It explains how to do this and gives an example of an efficient way to use this setting and how it may benefit you.
 
In firefox, it is a few steps to get to the place where you change the setting.  But once there, if you leave a window or tab opened, you can change it between on and off by just pressing enter in that window or tab.
Here is how you get to the setting:
In the browser address bar, type about:config.  Look at what I wrote character by character to see exactly how to type it.
Press enter.
A warning will come up.  Press the space bar.
you are now in a search field.
The first time you do this, once you are in the search field, you may want to bookmark the page for the fastest use in the future.  If you follow the bookmark, you will be on the warning message so press the space bar.
 
In the search field, type the following exactly as written:
pt.en
Tab once.  I think there is only one item in the results.  But if not, there will be very few.  The item you want says JAVA script default enabled or something very similar.  Select it if you are on it with the space bar or down arrow and up arrow.  Press enter.  it will then say
JAVA script user set bullian false or something similar. 
It is now off. 
Leave that Window opened.
Open a new window for your browsing with control n.  Or open a new tab with control t.  if you know how to move from tab to tab and from window to window, open whatever you want. 
 
If you go to a page that requires JAVA script, move to the settings window, press enter, go back to the page and reload it with f5.  If you know in advance that the page requires JAVA script, you can change the setting and then load the page as usual in the other window or tab.
As I said in another message, many pages now require scripts to function properly.  but when you are dealing with a site where certain pages do and certain ones don't like The New York Times Site, if you do the following, you will have easier to navigate article pages.
Open the home page or another page that requires scripts.  I don't know which do and don't in general.  the home page does as does the New York Times in print page.  You can tell by experimentation and what you know about sites you have visited if the pages display as they should when scripts are off.  The Times home page doesn't show all content if JAVA is off.  It shows some and for just a quick look at some important articles, that's fine.  But perhaps thirty to forty percent of the articles can't be seen if scripts are off.  So if you want to see all the articles and read them conveniently with scripts off, do the following:
Open The times home page, for example with Scripts enabled.
Then switch to the settings window and press enter to turn scripts off. 
Now go back to the other page.  Scripts will still be running on that page because it was opened before you changed the setting.  Find an article you want to read.  Use Shift enter instead of just enter.  The article will open in a new window and scripts won't be runnning.  The page may load noticeably faster and there will be considerably less interruptions on the page for things like advertising. 
Once finished, close the window with alt f4.  You will be back in the home page window, just where you left off. 
 
As I said, it's somewhat or rather geeky, but you may see benefits well worth having if you experiment and try seeing how things differ when scripts are allowed and not.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

Gene,
I would to know how to do it in Firefox. Please, may you explain it to us? :)

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 22/01/2019 21:16, Gene escreveu:
This would probably be considered a somewhat geeky solution but it is effective and something some people might want to know about.  I avoid a lot of problems on pages that don't require JAVA script by having it off on such pages..  Alot of what you are describing, intrusive ads, refreshing pages, videos or audio that plays, are often displayed or played by use of JAVA scripts. 
 
As one possible solution to the audio problem when JAVA scripts are on, I saw in one browser, it may have been Chrome, a setting that allows you to tell the browser not to play audio on web pages.  I don't recall the exact wording and it might be different such as referring to audio and videos or a variation.  Others may know about that setting.  I saw it in passing recently but I didn't try to remember anything about it. 
 
Increasingly, pages require JAVA scripts to work properly but on a page with an article, you usually don't need to have it on.  I can explain more how I do this reasonably efficiently in Chrome and Firefox if people want to know. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

I was just wandering as the web is getting more and more difficult for us visually impaired and blind person.  It is not only the ads but also videos that suddenly are launched when you are trying to read something and pages that refreshed and you are no longer where you were as what you were reading has moved.  All these annoyances make the web, at times, difficult to navigate.  My first option is coming to this fortunate list and various members have kindly provided various solutions.  Thanks for your suggestions.

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

The ADA says things should be accessible.  I don't know if inconvenience ever rises to a level of a violation of accessibility laws, but it often doesn't.  I would suggest, when problems of formatting or such as you are describing now are found, that you ask if people know of ways to reduce or eliminate the problem instead of first resorting to a legal remedy which you will likely not get support for by institutions or those who bring accessibility actions and which may take a long time to be ejudicated in the court system. 

 

In this case, while I don't know what browser you are using , try another browser.  Also, if you do or don't want to try another browser first, Some browsers have a reading view.  If they don't, you can use an add-on.  This removes a lot of extraneous material from web pages and it may remove these long links. 

 

also, there is an NVDA add-on I saw discussed about a month ago that may deal with a problem like yours but I don't recall the name and it may do other things you don't like.

 

Gene

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Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 12:22 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

Hi All,

Today some pages are so riddled with long links that are ads, some of which are several lines long, making reading with a screen reader very annoying and difficult.  Example of pages are Breitbart.com, wnd.com… they are becoming very common which, in my view, is a violation of the ADA that we may need to look into and report.

Is there any way to skip the ads?  Is there a freeware ads blocker that works well with NVDA?

Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal




Gene
 

I disagree that you can pretty much install it and forget it.  Yes, you can do that if you only use pages that require JAVA script to run that are on the white list, but with increasing numbers of pages requiring JAVA scripts to be allowed, you will very likely have to allow scripts on specific sites as you go.  and in the New York Times Example I gave, it may be easier to do what I described, even if you use Noscript and you allow scripts on the Times site, than to keep allowing and not allowing scripts using noscript.  You can allow scripts on the Times site using noscript, then switch using the method I described in a previous message.  That would give the best protection because Noscript provides certain additional protections that are active even if you allow scripts on a site. 
 
Gene

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Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

Marcio,

            If you want to block scripts, Java and several other kinds, in Firefox then use the Add-On NoScript.  It is available from https://noscript.net/ , has been around for a very long time, and is pretty much "install it and forget it.  For myself, full script blocking is overkill, as it disables a lot of functions I actually want to keep.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Gene
 

You can use it and it is still good but it isn't as good as it used to be before Firefox Quantum came out.  it isn't as easy to understand as to the interface and it doesn't have as many features in the redesigned version for the brave new Firefox.  Will Firefox ever stop requiring its add-on developers to modify them every few years?  I wonder how many add-ons have been abandoned by their developers after having the modify them at least two times in the last number of years.
 
 
I'm not recommending the method I gave over the add-on and the add-on provides good protections.  But those interested may compare the two if they wish.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

Marcio,

            If you want to block scripts, Java and several other kinds, in Firefox then use the Add-On NoScript.  It is available from https://noscript.net/ , has been around for a very long time, and is pretty much "install it and forget it.  For myself, full script blocking is overkill, as it disables a lot of functions I actually want to keep.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Gene
 

This explanation is long.  It explains how to do this and gives an example of an efficient way to use this setting and how it may benefit you.
 
In firefox, it is a few steps to get to the place where you change the setting.  But once there, if you leave a window or tab opened, you can change it between on and off by just pressing enter in that window or tab.
Here is how you get to the setting:
In the browser address bar, type about:config.  Look at what I wrote character by character to see exactly how to type it.
Press enter.
A warning will come up.  Press the space bar.
you are now in a search field.
The first time you do this, once you are in the search field, you may want to bookmark the page for the fastest use in the future.  If you follow the bookmark, you will be on the warning message so press the space bar.
 
In the search field, type the following exactly as written:
pt.en
Tab once.  I think there is only one item in the results.  But if not, there will be very few.  The item you want says JAVA script default enabled or something very similar.  Select it if you are on it with the space bar or down arrow and up arrow.  Press enter.  it will then say
JAVA script user set bullian false or something similar. 
It is now off. 
Leave that Window opened.
Open a new window for your browsing with control n.  Or open a new tab with control t.  if you know how to move from tab to tab and from window to window, open whatever you want. 
 
If you go to a page that requires JAVA script, move to the settings window, press enter, go back to the page and reload it with f5.  If you know in advance that the page requires JAVA script, you can change the setting and then load the page as usual in the other window or tab.
As I said in another message, many pages now require scripts to function properly.  but when you are dealing with a site where certain pages do and certain ones don't like The New York Times Site, if you do the following, you will have easier to navigate article pages.
Open the home page or another page that requires scripts.  I don't know which do and don't in general.  the home page does as does the New York Times in print page.  You can tell by experimentation and what you know about sites you have visited if the pages display as they should when scripts are off.  The Times home page doesn't show all content if JAVA is off.  It shows some and for just a quick look at some important articles, that's fine.  But perhaps thirty to forty percent of the articles can't be seen if scripts are off.  So if you want to see all the articles and read them conveniently with scripts off, do the following:
Open The times home page, for example with Scripts enabled.
Then switch to the settings window and press enter to turn scripts off. 
Now go back to the other page.  Scripts will still be running on that page because it was opened before you changed the setting.  Find an article you want to read.  Use Shift enter instead of just enter.  The article will open in a new window and scripts won't be runnning.  The page may load noticeably faster and there will be considerably less interruptions on the page for things like advertising. 
Once finished, close the window with alt f4.  You will be back in the home page window, just where you left off. 
 
As I said, it's somewhat or rather geeky, but you may see benefits well worth having if you experiment and try seeing how things differ when scripts are allowed and not.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

Gene,
I would to know how to do it in Firefox. Please, may you explain it to us? :)

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 22/01/2019 21:16, Gene escreveu:
This would probably be considered a somewhat geeky solution but it is effective and something some people might want to know about.  I avoid a lot of problems on pages that don't require JAVA script by having it off on such pages..  Alot of what you are describing, intrusive ads, refreshing pages, videos or audio that plays, are often displayed or played by use of JAVA scripts. 
 
As one possible solution to the audio problem when JAVA scripts are on, I saw in one browser, it may have been Chrome, a setting that allows you to tell the browser not to play audio on web pages.  I don't recall the exact wording and it might be different such as referring to audio and videos or a variation.  Others may know about that setting.  I saw it in passing recently but I didn't try to remember anything about it. 
 
Increasingly, pages require JAVA scripts to work properly but on a page with an article, you usually don't need to have it on.  I can explain more how I do this reasonably efficiently in Chrome and Firefox if people want to know. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

I was just wandering as the web is getting more and more difficult for us visually impaired and blind person.  It is not only the ads but also videos that suddenly are launched when you are trying to read something and pages that refreshed and you are no longer where you were as what you were reading has moved.  All these annoyances make the web, at times, difficult to navigate.  My first option is coming to this fortunate list and various members have kindly provided various solutions.  Thanks for your suggestions.

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

The ADA says things should be accessible.  I don't know if inconvenience ever rises to a level of a violation of accessibility laws, but it often doesn't.  I would suggest, when problems of formatting or such as you are describing now are found, that you ask if people know of ways to reduce or eliminate the problem instead of first resorting to a legal remedy which you will likely not get support for by institutions or those who bring accessibility actions and which may take a long time to be ejudicated in the court system. 

 

In this case, while I don't know what browser you are using , try another browser.  Also, if you do or don't want to try another browser first, Some browsers have a reading view.  If they don't, you can use an add-on.  This removes a lot of extraneous material from web pages and it may remove these long links. 

 

also, there is an NVDA add-on I saw discussed about a month ago that may deal with a problem like yours but I don't recall the name and it may do other things you don't like.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 12:22 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

Hi All,

Today some pages are so riddled with long links that are ads, some of which are several lines long, making reading with a screen reader very annoying and difficult.  Example of pages are Breitbart.com, wnd.com… they are becoming very common which, in my view, is a violation of the ADA that we may need to look into and report.

Is there any way to skip the ads?  Is there a freeware ads blocker that works well with NVDA?

Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal



 

I do use UBlock Origin, but never knew that it also would block scripts. I thought it could only block ads. Good to know it.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 22/01/2019 22:57, Brian Vogel escreveu:

Marcio,

         If you want a softer approach, then please just start out with uBlock Origin, which blocks ads and selectively blocks "annoying" scripts (my term, not theirs).  If you find you want something more aggressive afterward, then try NoScript.

          Both of these programs run in "install it and forget it" mode, but both are also wildly customizable if one so chooses.  I have not so chosen, except to suspend uBlock Origin on a couple of sites where I stream commercial TV content and cannot get it to work if uBlock is active.  What's funny is that adding the Privacy Badger extension brought back blocking of TV ads when streaming (or at least it did 2 days ago) which is something that used to work with both uBlock and Adblock Plus until ABC.com blocked all content if you had either activated.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 



 

Marcio,

         If you want a softer approach, then please just start out with uBlock Origin, which blocks ads and selectively blocks "annoying" scripts (my term, not theirs).  If you find you want something more aggressive afterward, then try NoScript.

          Both of these programs run in "install it and forget it" mode, but both are also wildly customizable if one so chooses.  I have not so chosen, except to suspend uBlock Origin on a couple of sites where I stream commercial TV content and cannot get it to work if uBlock is active.  What's funny is that adding the Privacy Badger extension brought back blocking of TV ads when streaming (or at least it did 2 days ago) which is something that used to work with both uBlock and Adblock Plus until ABC.com blocked all content if you had either activated.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back