Webpages and changing order of hearing control types like "link," etc.


Jeff Samco
 

Again, I'm new to NVDA having switched this month from Window-Eyes. One feature I haven't found yet in NVDA involves the order of hearing the types of controls when moving through a webpage. Currently I first hear link, table with # of rows & columns etc. before hearing the text associated with the control. Can the announce order be switched so the associated text can be heard first and then the type of control?

Thanks,
Jeff


 

hello.
i did not find a solution until now.
for me, first, nvda says heading level and then reads the title of heading.
i disabled all options in document formatting to not hear any item
element except there content.
i dont recommend it to anyone if using web pages be dificult for them
in this case.

On 1/26/19, Jeff Samco <jsamco@jps.net> wrote:
Again, I'm new to NVDA having switched this month from Window-Eyes.
One feature I haven't found yet in NVDA involves the order of hearing
the types of controls when moving through a webpage. Currently I
first hear link, table with # of rows & columns etc. before hearing
the text associated with the control. Can the announce order be
switched so the associated text can be heard first and then the type
of control?

Thanks,
Jeff




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I would not do it.
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Not that I'm aware of, To be honest I really have no one pref over another most of the time. I seem to recall originally that there could be a lag if such things as this are implemented but whether that would still be true in a modern fast machine, I'd not know. One for the wish list survey mentioned on here a few days back, perhaps?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Samco" <jsamco@jps.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 8:57 PM
Subject: [nvda] Webpages and changing order of hearing control types like "link," etc.


Again, I'm new to NVDA having switched this month from Window-Eyes. One feature I haven't found yet in NVDA involves the order of hearing the types of controls when moving through a webpage. Currently I first hear link, table with # of rows & columns etc. before hearing the text associated with the control. Can the announce order be switched so the associated text can be heard first and then the type of control?

Thanks,
Jeff



Desert Moon
 

Hello Jeff,

his feature in Firefox may interest you:

Reader View is a Firefox feature that strips away clutter like buttons, ads and background images, and changes the page's text size, contrast and layout for better readability. Reader View settings are easily customizable to fit your reading preferences.

Press F9. If supported, the webpage will change to Reader View and NVDA will start Say All. Press F9 again and the default layout of the webpage will come back. Then, you can expolre other features and elements on that page.

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Desert


Mário Navarro
 


Hi.
Where the reader view is configured.
I can't find these settings.

thank you.

cheers.


Às 21:34 de 27/01/2019, Desert Moon via Groups.Io escreveu:
Hello Jeff,

his feature in Firefox may interest you:

Reader View is a Firefox feature that strips away clutter like buttons, ads and background images, and changes the page's text size, contrast and layout for better readability. Reader View settings are easily customizable to fit your reading preferences.

Press F9. If supported, the webpage will change to Reader View and NVDA will start Say All. Press F9 again and the default layout of the webpage will come back. Then, you can expolre other features and elements on that page.

--
Desert

-- 
A acção pode nem sempre ser felicidade, mas não há felicidade sem acção...


 

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 08:56 AM, Mário Navarro wrote:
Where the reader view is configured.
It's not configured anywhere.   It's a built-in feature that, as previously noted, is toggled on/off by an F9 press.
 
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Mário Navarro
 



hi Brian , thank you.

cheers.


Às 16:27 de 31/01/2019, Brian Vogel escreveu:
On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 08:56 AM, Mário Navarro wrote:
Where the reader view is configured.
It's not configured anywhere.   It's a built-in feature that, as previously noted, is toggled on/off by an F9 press.
 
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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


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A acção pode nem sempre ser felicidade, mas não há felicidade sem acção...


 

hello.
i heard somewhere that key for activating reader view is changed to f9.
but i wish to know which key i should i use in firefox 52?
i really dont want and cant use newer versions of firefox.
how can i use this great feature in firefox 52?
also, should i check Automatic Say All on page load in brows mode?
thanks for your help, God bless you!

On 1/27/19, Desert Moon via Groups.Io
<desert.moon=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Jeff,

his feature in Firefox may interest you:

Reader View is a Firefox feature that strips away clutter like buttons, ads
and background images, and changes the page's text size, contrast and layout
for better readability. Reader View settings are easily customizable to fit
your reading preferences.

Press F9. If supported, the webpage will change to Reader View and NVDA will
start Say All. Press F9 again and the default layout of the webpage will
come back. Then, you can expolre other features and elements on that page.

--
Desert




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


 

On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 06:48 AM, zahra wrote:
but i wish to know which key i should i use in firefox 52?
Try CTRL+ALT+R.   It was that for a long time before F9 was finally adopted to make the shortcut much more convenient.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


 

thanks for your help.
do i need to check Automatic Say All on page load on brows mode or not?

On 2/3/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 06:48 AM, zahra wrote:


but i wish to know which key i should i use in firefox 52?
Try CTRL+ALT+R. It was that for a long time before F9 was finally adopted
to make the shortcut much more convenient.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Gene
 

Open the view menu with v.  Up arrow to reader view.  See if a short cut key is given.  If there isn't one, then there probably isn't one.  My recollection is that f9 is not a shortcut key option.  But you will hear something like r when you are on reader view.  So use alt v then type r.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Webpages and changing order of hearing control types like "link," etc.

hello.
i heard somewhere that key for activating reader view is changed to f9.
but i wish to know which key i should i use in firefox 52?
i really dont want and cant use newer versions of firefox.
how can i use this great feature in firefox 52?
also, should i check Automatic Say All on page load in brows mode?
thanks for your help, God bless you!

On 1/27/19, Desert Moon via Groups.Io
<desert.moon@...> wrote:
> Hello Jeff,
>
> his feature in Firefox may interest you:
>
> Reader View is a Firefox feature that strips away clutter like buttons, ads
> and background images, and changes the page's text size, contrast and layout
> for better readability. Reader View settings are easily customizable to fit
> your reading preferences.
>
> Press F9. If supported, the webpage will change to Reader View and NVDA will
> start Say All. Press F9 again and the default layout of the webpage will
> come back. Then, you can expolre other features and elements on that page.
>
> --
> Desert
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



 

thanks so much for your help gene.
i sincerely appreciate and pray for you.
i did not try this method before, thanks again and God bless you!

On 2/3/19, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Open the view menu with v. Up arrow to reader view. See if a short cut key
is given. If there isn't one, then there probably isn't one. My
recollection is that f9 is not a shortcut key option. But you will hear
something like r when you are on reader view. So use alt v then type r.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 5:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Webpages and changing order of hearing control types
like "link," etc.


hello.
i heard somewhere that key for activating reader view is changed to f9.
but i wish to know which key i should i use in firefox 52?
i really dont want and cant use newer versions of firefox.
how can i use this great feature in firefox 52?
also, should i check Automatic Say All on page load in brows mode?
thanks for your help, God bless you!

On 1/27/19, Desert Moon via Groups.Io
<desert.moon=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Jeff,

his feature in Firefox may interest you:

Reader View is a Firefox feature that strips away clutter like buttons,
ads
and background images, and changes the page's text size, contrast and
layout
for better readability. Reader View settings are easily customizable to
fit
your reading preferences.

Press F9. If supported, the webpage will change to Reader View and NVDA
will
start Say All. Press F9 again and the default layout of the webpage will
come back. Then, you can expolre other features and elements on that
page.

--
Desert




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Gene
 

Automatic say all is on by default.  It means that a web page will start reading automatically when it is loaded.  it is useful if you want to know when a page has loaded without repeatedly issuing the read to end command.  It has nothing to do with reader view. 
 
I am unaware of any Firefox shortcuts that use control alt.  I have seen commands that use shift alt.  I suspect it is shift alt r.  You can experiment.
 
Also, as I recall, and I haven't used reader view to any extent, it automatically reverts to standard view when you return to or open another page.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Webpages and changing order of hearing control types like "link," etc.

thanks for your help.
do i need to check Automatic Say All on page load on brows mode or not?


On 2/3/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 06:48 AM, zahra wrote:
>
>>
>> but i wish to know which key i should i use in firefox 52?
>
> Try CTRL+ALT+R.   It was that for a long time before F9 was finally adopted
> to make the shortcut much more convenient.
>
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
> illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



 

On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 11:20 AM, Gene wrote:
I am unaware of any Firefox shortcuts that use control alt.
Straight from the bugzilla page when this was under development:  https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1144749
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Gene
 

If that shortcut key was retained after development, it was bad design.  Control alt is a standard Windows hotkey option and other programs shouldn't use control alt as part of shortcut commands except in specific cases where they shouldn't be used as Windows hot keys.  For example, control alt left and right arrows are alright to use for table navigation by screen-readers.  People shouldn't use control alt left and right arrow keys as Windows hotkeys and also, control left and right arrows are, the only logical keys to use for table navigation.  Of course, control alt up and down arrow are used as well.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Webpages and changing order of hearing control types like "link," etc.

On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 11:20 AM, Gene wrote:
I am unaware of any Firefox shortcuts that use control alt.
Straight from the bugzilla page when this was under development:  https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1144749
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


 

On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 12:36 PM, Gene wrote:
If that shortcut key was retained after development, it was bad design.
Hence the reason it was eventually changed.  It was bad because it was a three-key press shortcut, too.   That is irrelevant to someone using Windows XP and a version of Firefox that's quite old as well.

All I was trying to do was to answer the question asked, not comment on the wisdom of the design.  There's also a reader button that appears at the right side of address edit box in the old versions of Firefox, but I always keep my browsers absolutely up to date so I can't even play with something as old as 52 to determine how one would access it.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Gene
 

My recollection is that the reader button wasn't accessible but it was always accessible from the view menu.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Webpages and changing order of hearing control types like "link," etc.

On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 12:36 PM, Gene wrote:
If that shortcut key was retained after development, it was bad design.
Hence the reason it was eventually changed.  It was bad because it was a three-key press shortcut, too.   That is irrelevant to someone using Windows XP and a version of Firefox that's quite old as well.

All I was trying to do was to answer the question asked, not comment on the wisdom of the design.  There's also a reader button that appears at the right side of address edit box in the old versions of Firefox, but I always keep my browsers absolutely up to date so I can't even play with something as old as 52 to determine how one would access it.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

In version I believe alt control r.  it is now f9.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 1:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Webpages and changing order of hearing control types like "link," etc.

 

My recollection is that the reader button wasn't accessible but it was always accessible from the view menu.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 12:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Webpages and changing order of hearing control types like "link," etc.

 

On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 12:36 PM, Gene wrote:

If that shortcut key was retained after development, it was bad design.

Hence the reason it was eventually changed.  It was bad because it was a three-key press shortcut, too.   That is irrelevant to someone using Windows XP and a version of Firefox that's quite old as well.

All I was trying to do was to answer the question asked, not comment on the wisdom of the design.  There's also a reader button that appears at the right side of address edit box in the old versions of Firefox, but I always keep my browsers absolutely up to date so I can't even play with something as old as 52 to determine how one would access it.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back