need help explaining object navigation to a friend


molly the blind tech lover
 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly


Gene
 

Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are they using?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly


molly the blind tech lover
 

My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they’re using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are they using?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly


Gene
 

It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.
 
 
There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may send my own in the not distant future. 
 
Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.

Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they’re using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are they using?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly


molly the blind tech lover
 

I’ll ask what layout he’s using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.

 

 

There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may send my own in the not distant future. 

 

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they’re using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are they using?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly


Jacob Kruger
 

Molly, FWIW, on all my desktop layout PC's, I do have the keyboard settings option turned on to also be able to use caps lock when it suits me.


But, have never worked with laptop layout as such, so, can't help much there.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2019-02-05 4:15 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I’ll ask what layout he’s using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.

 

 

There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may send my own in the not distant future. 

 

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they’re using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are they using?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly


molly the blind tech lover
 

Let’s assume it’s desktop layout. I’m assuming the insert key can still be used for object  navigation?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Molly, FWIW, on all my desktop layout PC's, I do have the keyboard settings option turned on to also be able to use caps lock when it suits me.

 

But, have never worked with laptop layout as such, so, can't help much there.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2019-02-05 4:15 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I’ll ask what layout he’s using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.

 

 

There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may send my own in the not distant future. 

 

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they’re using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are they using?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly


Gene
 

Adding the caps lock key doesn't stop the numpad insert from being used.  it adds another option.  In short, you can still use it. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Let’s assume it’s desktop layout. I’m assuming the insert key can still be used for object  navigation?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Molly, FWIW, on all my desktop layout PC's, I do have the keyboard settings option turned on to also be able to use caps lock when it suits me.

 

But, have never worked with laptop layout as such, so, can't help much there.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2019-02-05 4:15 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I’ll ask what layout he’s using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.

 

 

There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may send my own in the not distant future. 

 

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they’re using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are they using?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly


 

You can configure the caps lock key to be the NVDA key. You should definitely do this.

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly


Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I think though that the basic answer is that the caps lock can be used for the insert key by allowing it to do so in the settings, but that the keys needed for the navigation are different in the layouts.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout. One system should be taught at a time.


There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation. I may send my own in the not distant future.

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they're using.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Does the person have a numpad on their machine? Which keyboard layout are they using?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Hey guys, Molly here again.

I'm trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.



Molly


molly the blind tech lover
 

I forgot desktop computers have a num pad key.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Adding the caps lock key doesn't stop the numpad insert from being used.  it adds another option.  In short, you can still use it. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 8:31 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Let’s assume it’s desktop layout. I’m assuming the insert key can still be used for object  navigation?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Molly, FWIW, on all my desktop layout PC's, I do have the keyboard settings option turned on to also be able to use caps lock when it suits me.

 

But, have never worked with laptop layout as such, so, can't help much there.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2019-02-05 4:15 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I’ll ask what layout he’s using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.

 

 

There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may send my own in the not distant future. 

 

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they’re using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are they using?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly


molly the blind tech lover
 

I honestly don't know if I'm the best person to help. Both my machines are
laptop. I haven't used a desktop in years so I'm unfamiliar with that
particular keyboard layout.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I think though that the basic answer is that the caps lock can be used for
the insert key by allowing it to do so in the settings, but that the keys
needed for the navigation are different in the layouts.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop

or laptop layout. One system should be taught at a time.


There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation. I may
send my own in the not distant future.

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they're using.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Does the person have a numpad on their machine? Which keyboard layout are
they using?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Hey guys, Molly here again.

I'm trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be
used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have

an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object
navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.



Molly


Chris Mullins
 

Hi Molly

Rather than refer to these keys as CapsLock and Insert, refer to them as NVDA Modifier keys.  Irrespective of what keyboard layout you are using, you can designate  any or all of Capslock, NumPadInsert and Insert as NVDA modifiers. 

These are set to your choice in the Keyboard dialog (NVDA+ctrl+k) and appear in the “Select NVDA modifier keys list”.  So when you see something like NVDA+Ctrl+k, the NVDA reference in this command can be any of the keys you checked in this list.

 

Cheers

Chris

From:        nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: 5 February 2019 14:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Let’s assume it’s desktop layout. I’m assuming the insert key can still be used for object  navigation?

From:        nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Molly, FWIW, on all my desktop layout PCs, I do have the keyboard settings option turned on to also be able to use caps lock when it suits me.

But, have never worked with laptop layout as such, so, cant help much there.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile...

On 2019-02-05 4:15 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I’ll ask what layout he’s using.

From:        nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

It isnt Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.

 

There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may send my own in the not distant future. 

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lees tutorial.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

From:        molly the blind tech lover

Sent:          Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM

To:             nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject:     Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they’re using.

From:        nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are they using?

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From:        molly the blind tech lover

Sent:          Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

To:             nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject:     [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly

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Cristóbal
 

I don't know what the hang up is.
Having one of the other type of physical machine doesn't prohibit you from
using either layout. Indeed, since I can remember be it with Jaws or now
that I'm trying to use NVDA more, every machine I've had, be it a laptop or
desktop, one of the first things I've always done when doing the initial
configuration is to enable the laptop keyboard layout. This doesn’t' mean
that you can't use the desktop layout anymore. Simply that you will also
have access to the laptop keystrokes in addition to the traditional desktop
ones.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I honestly don't know if I'm the best person to help. Both my machines are
laptop. I haven't used a desktop in years so I'm unfamiliar with that
particular keyboard layout.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I think though that the basic answer is that the caps lock can be used for
the insert key by allowing it to do so in the settings, but that the keys
needed for the navigation are different in the layouts.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop

or laptop layout. One system should be taught at a time.


There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation. I may
send my own in the not distant future.

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they're using.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Does the person have a numpad on their machine? Which keyboard layout are
they using?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Hey guys, Molly here again.

I'm trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be
used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have

an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object
navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.



Molly


Gene
 

Some commands work in one layout and not in the other.  If you turn on the laptop layout, the desktop layout command for read to end won't work, for example.  I don't know what other commands won't work. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I don't know what the hang up is.
Having one of the other type of physical machine doesn't prohibit you from
using either layout. Indeed, since I can remember be it with Jaws or now
that I'm trying to use NVDA more, every machine I've had, be it a laptop or
desktop, one of the first things I've always done when doing the initial
configuration is to enable the laptop keyboard layout. This doesn’t' mean
that you can't use the desktop layout anymore. Simply that you will also
have access to the laptop keystrokes in addition to the traditional desktop
ones.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I honestly don't know if I'm the best person to help. Both my machines are
laptop. I haven't used a desktop in years so I'm unfamiliar with that
particular keyboard layout.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I think though that the basic answer is that the caps lock can be used for
the insert key by allowing it to do so in the settings, but that the keys
needed for the navigation are different in the layouts.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop

or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.


There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may
send my own in the not distant future.

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they're using.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are
they using?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Hey guys, Molly here again.

I'm trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be
used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have

an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object
navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.



Molly

















molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.

Thanks. This helps.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Hi Molly

Rather than refer to these keys as CapsLock and Insert, refer to them as NVDA Modifier keys.  Irrespective of what keyboard layout you are using, you can designate  any or all of Capslock, NumPadInsert and Insert as NVDA modifiers. 

These are set to your choice in the Keyboard dialog (NVDA+ctrl+k) and appear in the “Select NVDA modifier keys list”.  So when you see something like NVDA+Ctrl+k, the NVDA reference in this command can be any of the keys you checked in this list.

 

Cheers

Chris

From:        nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: 5 February 2019 14:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Let’s assume it’s desktop layout. I’m assuming the insert key can still be used for object  navigation?

From:        nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Molly, FWIW, on all my desktop layout PCs, I do have the keyboard settings option turned on to also be able to use caps lock when it suits me.

But, have never worked with laptop layout as such, so, cant help much there.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile...

On 2019-02-05 4:15 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I’ll ask what layout he’s using.

From:        nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

It isnt Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.

 

There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may send my own in the not distant future. 

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lees tutorial.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

From:        molly the blind tech lover

Sent:          Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM

To:             nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject:     Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they’re using.

From:        nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are they using?

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From:        molly the blind tech lover

Sent:          Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

To:             nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject:     [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly

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Gene
 

I just found another command that doesn't work in the laptop layout that is a desktop layout command, read current line, alt up arrow. 
 
However, you may have been referring to the numpad screen review and object navigation commands.  I believe that they work in both layouts, but that's beside the point.  If someone is using the laptop layout and doesn't have a numpad, they need to learn the laptop layout commands. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Some commands work in one layout and not in the other.  If you turn on the laptop layout, the desktop layout command for read to end won't work, for example.  I don't know what other commands won't work. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I don't know what the hang up is.
Having one of the other type of physical machine doesn't prohibit you from
using either layout. Indeed, since I can remember be it with Jaws or now
that I'm trying to use NVDA more, every machine I've had, be it a laptop or
desktop, one of the first things I've always done when doing the initial
configuration is to enable the laptop keyboard layout. This doesn’t' mean
that you can't use the desktop layout anymore. Simply that you will also
have access to the laptop keystrokes in addition to the traditional desktop
ones.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I honestly don't know if I'm the best person to help. Both my machines are
laptop. I haven't used a desktop in years so I'm unfamiliar with that
particular keyboard layout.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I think though that the basic answer is that the caps lock can be used for
the insert key by allowing it to do so in the settings, but that the keys
needed for the navigation are different in the layouts.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
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briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop

or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.


There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may
send my own in the not distant future.

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they're using.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are
they using?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Hey guys, Molly here again.

I'm trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be
used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have

an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object
navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.



Molly

















Gene
 

Here is a correction.  Read current line in the desktop layout is NVDA key up arrow.  it doesn't work in the laptop layout.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I just found another command that doesn't work in the laptop layout that is a desktop layout command, read current line, alt up arrow. 
 
However, you may have been referring to the numpad screen review and object navigation commands.  I believe that they work in both layouts, but that's beside the point.  If someone is using the laptop layout and doesn't have a numpad, they need to learn the laptop layout commands. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Some commands work in one layout and not in the other.  If you turn on the laptop layout, the desktop layout command for read to end won't work, for example.  I don't know what other commands won't work. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I don't know what the hang up is.
Having one of the other type of physical machine doesn't prohibit you from
using either layout. Indeed, since I can remember be it with Jaws or now
that I'm trying to use NVDA more, every machine I've had, be it a laptop or
desktop, one of the first things I've always done when doing the initial
configuration is to enable the laptop keyboard layout. This doesn’t' mean
that you can't use the desktop layout anymore. Simply that you will also
have access to the laptop keystrokes in addition to the traditional desktop
ones.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I honestly don't know if I'm the best person to help. Both my machines are
laptop. I haven't used a desktop in years so I'm unfamiliar with that
particular keyboard layout.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I think though that the basic answer is that the caps lock can be used for
the insert key by allowing it to do so in the settings, but that the keys
needed for the navigation are different in the layouts.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop

or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.


There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may
send my own in the not distant future.

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they're using.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are
they using?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Hey guys, Molly here again.

I'm trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be
used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have

an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object
navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.



Molly

















molly the blind tech lover
 

I think the problem was my friend tried using insert or caps lock while pressing the arrow keys and it didn't work. Or something like that. I realize I'm not explaining this very well, butI bet if we used NVDA remote support I could help figure it out. But then I'd feel like I was hijacking the computer. Not my intention 😉

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I don't know what the hang up is.
Having one of the other type of physical machine doesn't prohibit you from using either layout. Indeed, since I can remember be it with Jaws or now that I'm trying to use NVDA more, every machine I've had, be it a laptop or desktop, one of the first things I've always done when doing the initial configuration is to enable the laptop keyboard layout. This doesn’t' mean that you can't use the desktop layout anymore. Simply that you will also have access to the laptop keystrokes in addition to the traditional desktop ones.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I honestly don't know if I'm the best person to help. Both my machines are laptop. I haven't used a desktop in years so I'm unfamiliar with that particular keyboard layout.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I think though that the basic answer is that the caps lock can be used for the insert key by allowing it to do so in the settings, but that the keys needed for the navigation are different in the layouts.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop

or laptop layout. One system should be taught at a time.


There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation. I may send my own in the not distant future.

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they're using.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Does the person have a numpad on their machine? Which keyboard layout are they using?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Hey guys, Molly here again.

I'm trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have

an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.



Molly


molly the blind tech lover
 

Hmmm.  Interesting. I think I’ll experiment with desktop layout on my laptop.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

I just found another command that doesn't work in the laptop layout that is a desktop layout command, read current line, alt up arrow. 

 

However, you may have been referring to the numpad screen review and object navigation commands.  I believe that they work in both layouts, but that's beside the point.  If someone is using the laptop layout and doesn't have a numpad, they need to learn the laptop layout commands. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Some commands work in one layout and not in the other.  If you turn on the laptop layout, the desktop layout command for read to end won't work, for example.  I don't know what other commands won't work. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:12 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

I don't know what the hang up is.
Having one of the other type of physical machine doesn't prohibit you from
using either layout. Indeed, since I can remember be it with Jaws or now
that I'm trying to use NVDA more, every machine I've had, be it a laptop or
desktop, one of the first things I've always done when doing the initial
configuration is to enable the laptop keyboard layout. This doesn’t' mean
that you can't use the desktop layout anymore. Simply that you will also
have access to the laptop keystrokes in addition to the traditional desktop
ones.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I honestly don't know if I'm the best person to help. Both my machines are
laptop. I haven't used a desktop in years so I'm unfamiliar with that
particular keyboard layout.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I think though that the basic answer is that the caps lock can be used for
the insert key by allowing it to do so in the settings, but that the keys
needed for the navigation are different in the layouts.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop

or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.


There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may
send my own in the not distant future.

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they're using.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are
they using?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Hey guys, Molly here again.

I'm trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be
used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have

an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object
navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.



Molly