need help explaining object navigation to a friend
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molly the blind tech lover
Hey guys, Molly here again. I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Gene
Does the person have a numpad on their
machine? Which keyboard layout are they using?
Gene ----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a
friend Hey guys, Molly here again. I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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molly the blind tech lover
My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they’re using.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend
Does the person have a numpad on their machine? Which keyboard layout are they using?
Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend
Hey guys, Molly here again. I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Gene
It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the
person is using the desktop or laptop layout. One system should be taught
at a time.
There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches
object navigation. I may send my own in the not distant future.
Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a
friend My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they’re using.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Does the person have a numpad on their machine? Which keyboard layout are they using?
Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend
Hey guys, Molly here again. I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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molly the blind tech lover
I’ll ask what layout he’s using.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:12 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend
It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout. One system should be taught at a time.
There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation. I may send my own in the not distant future.
Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.
----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend
My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they’re using.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Does the person have a numpad on their machine? Which keyboard layout are they using?
Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend
Hey guys, Molly here again. I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Jacob Kruger
Molly, FWIW, on all my desktop layout PC's, I do have the keyboard settings option turned on to also be able to use caps lock when it suits me.
But, have never worked with laptop layout as such, so, can't help
much there. Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..." On 2019-02-05 4:15 PM, molly the blind
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molly the blind tech lover
Let’s assume it’s desktop layout. I’m assuming the insert key can still be used for object navigation?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:27 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend
Molly, FWIW, on all my desktop layout PC's, I do have the keyboard settings option turned on to also be able to use caps lock when it suits me.
But, have never worked with laptop layout as such, so, can't help much there.
On 2019-02-05 4:15 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
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Gene
Adding the caps lock key doesn't stop the numpad
insert from being used. it adds another option. In short, you can
still use it.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a
friend Let’s assume it’s desktop layout. I’m assuming the insert key can still be used for object navigation?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Jacob Kruger
Molly, FWIW, on all my desktop layout PC's, I do have the keyboard settings option turned on to also be able to use caps lock when it suits me.
But, have never worked with laptop layout as such, so, can't help much there.
On 2019-02-05 4:15 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
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You can configure the caps lock key to be the NVDA key. You should definitely do this.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:46 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend
Hey guys, Molly here again. I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Brian's Mail list account
I think though that the basic answer is that the caps lock can be used for the insert key by allowing it to do so in the settings, but that the keys needed for the navigation are different in the layouts.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout. One system should be taught at a time. There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation. I may send my own in the not distant future. Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: molly the blind tech lover Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they're using. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend Does the person have a numpad on their machine? Which keyboard layout are they using? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: molly the blind tech lover Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend Hey guys, Molly here again. I'm trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Molly |
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molly the blind tech lover
I forgot desktop computers have a num pad key.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:40 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend
Adding the caps lock key doesn't stop the numpad insert from being used. it adds another option. In short, you can still use it.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend
Let’s assume it’s desktop layout. I’m assuming the insert key can still be used for object navigation?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Molly, FWIW, on all my desktop layout PC's, I do have the keyboard settings option turned on to also be able to use caps lock when it suits me.
But, have never worked with laptop layout as such, so, can't help much there.
On 2019-02-05 4:15 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
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molly the blind tech lover
I honestly don't know if I'm the best person to help. Both my machines are
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laptop. I haven't used a desktop in years so I'm unfamiliar with that particular keyboard layout. -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:54 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend I think though that the basic answer is that the caps lock can be used for the insert key by allowing it to do so in the settings, but that the keys needed for the navigation are different in the layouts. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout. One system should be taught at a time. There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation. I may send my own in the not distant future. Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: molly the blind tech lover Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they're using. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend Does the person have a numpad on their machine? Which keyboard layout are they using? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: molly the blind tech lover Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend Hey guys, Molly here again. I'm trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Molly |
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Chris Mullins
Hi MollyRather than refer to these keys as CapsLock and Insert, refer to them as NVDA Modifier keys. Irrespective of what keyboard layout you are using, you can designate any or all of Capslock, NumPadInsert and Insert as NVDA modifiers. These are set to your choice in the Keyboard dialog (NVDA+ctrl+k) and appear in the “Select NVDA modifier keys list”. So when you see something like NVDA+Ctrl+k, the NVDA reference in this command can be any of the keys you checked in this list.
Cheers Chris From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: 5 February 2019 14:32 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend
Let’s assume it’s desktop layout. I’m assuming the insert key can still be used for object navigation?From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Molly, FWIW, on all my desktop layout PC’s, I do have the keyboard settings option turned on to also be able to use caps lock when it suits me. But, have never worked with laptop layout as such, so, can’t help much there.
On 2019-02-05 4:15 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
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Cristóbal
I don't know what the hang up is.
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Having one of the other type of physical machine doesn't prohibit you from using either layout. Indeed, since I can remember be it with Jaws or now that I'm trying to use NVDA more, every machine I've had, be it a laptop or desktop, one of the first things I've always done when doing the initial configuration is to enable the laptop keyboard layout. This doesn’t' mean that you can't use the desktop layout anymore. Simply that you will also have access to the laptop keystrokes in addition to the traditional desktop ones. Cristóbal -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 1:04 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend I honestly don't know if I'm the best person to help. Both my machines are laptop. I haven't used a desktop in years so I'm unfamiliar with that particular keyboard layout. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:54 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend I think though that the basic answer is that the caps lock can be used for the insert key by allowing it to do so in the settings, but that the keys needed for the navigation are different in the layouts. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout. One system should be taught at a time. There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation. I may send my own in the not distant future. Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: molly the blind tech lover Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they're using. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend Does the person have a numpad on their machine? Which keyboard layout are they using? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: molly the blind tech lover Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend Hey guys, Molly here again. I'm trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Molly |
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Gene
Some commands work in one layout and not in the
other. If you turn on the laptop layout, the desktop layout command for
read to end won't work, for example. I don't know what other commands
won't work.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a
friend Having one of the other type of physical machine doesn't prohibit you from using either layout. Indeed, since I can remember be it with Jaws or now that I'm trying to use NVDA more, every machine I've had, be it a laptop or desktop, one of the first things I've always done when doing the initial configuration is to enable the laptop keyboard layout. This doesn’t' mean that you can't use the desktop layout anymore. Simply that you will also have access to the laptop keystrokes in addition to the traditional desktop ones. Cristóbal -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 1:04 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend I honestly don't know if I'm the best person to help. Both my machines are laptop. I haven't used a desktop in years so I'm unfamiliar with that particular keyboard layout. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:54 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend I think though that the basic answer is that the caps lock can be used for the insert key by allowing it to do so in the settings, but that the keys needed for the navigation are different in the layouts. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout. One system should be taught at a time. There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation. I may send my own in the not distant future. Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: molly the blind tech lover Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they're using. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend Does the person have a numpad on their machine? Which keyboard layout are they using? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: molly the blind tech lover Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend Hey guys, Molly here again. I'm trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Molly |
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molly the blind tech lover
Hi. Thanks. This helps.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:09 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend
Hi MollyRather than refer to these keys as CapsLock and Insert, refer to them as NVDA Modifier keys. Irrespective of what keyboard layout you are using, you can designate any or all of Capslock, NumPadInsert and Insert as NVDA modifiers. These are set to your choice in the Keyboard dialog (NVDA+ctrl+k) and appear in the “Select NVDA modifier keys list”. So when you see something like NVDA+Ctrl+k, the NVDA reference in this command can be any of the keys you checked in this list.
Cheers Chris From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Let’s assume it’s desktop layout. I’m assuming the insert key can still be used for object navigation?From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Molly, FWIW, on all my desktop layout PC’s, I do have the keyboard settings option turned on to also be able to use caps lock when it suits me. But, have never worked with laptop layout as such, so, can’t help much there.
On 2019-02-05 4:15 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
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Gene
I just found another command that doesn't work in
the laptop layout that is a desktop layout command, read current line, alt up
arrow.
However, you may have been referring to the numpad
screen review and object navigation commands. I believe that they work in
both layouts, but that's beside the point. If someone is using the laptop
layout and doesn't have a numpad, they need to learn the laptop layout
commands.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a
friend Some commands work in one layout and not in the
other. If you turn on the laptop layout, the desktop layout command for
read to end won't work, for example. I don't know what other commands
won't work.
Gene
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From: Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a
friend Having one of the other type of physical machine doesn't prohibit you from using either layout. Indeed, since I can remember be it with Jaws or now that I'm trying to use NVDA more, every machine I've had, be it a laptop or desktop, one of the first things I've always done when doing the initial configuration is to enable the laptop keyboard layout. This doesn’t' mean that you can't use the desktop layout anymore. Simply that you will also have access to the laptop keystrokes in addition to the traditional desktop ones. Cristóbal -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 1:04 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend I honestly don't know if I'm the best person to help. Both my machines are laptop. I haven't used a desktop in years so I'm unfamiliar with that particular keyboard layout. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:54 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend I think though that the basic answer is that the caps lock can be used for the insert key by allowing it to do so in the settings, but that the keys needed for the navigation are different in the layouts. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout. One system should be taught at a time. There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation. I may send my own in the not distant future. Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: molly the blind tech lover Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they're using. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend Does the person have a numpad on their machine? Which keyboard layout are they using? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: molly the blind tech lover Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend Hey guys, Molly here again. I'm trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Molly |
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Gene
Here is a correction. Read current line in
the desktop layout is NVDA key up arrow. it doesn't work in the laptop
layout.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a
friend I just found another command that doesn't work in
the laptop layout that is a desktop layout command, read current line, alt up
arrow.
However, you may have been referring to the numpad
screen review and object navigation commands. I believe that they work in
both layouts, but that's beside the point. If someone is using the laptop
layout and doesn't have a numpad, they need to learn the laptop layout
commands.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a
friend Some commands work in one layout and not in the
other. If you turn on the laptop layout, the desktop layout command for
read to end won't work, for example. I don't know what other commands
won't work.
Gene
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From: Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a
friend Having one of the other type of physical machine doesn't prohibit you from using either layout. Indeed, since I can remember be it with Jaws or now that I'm trying to use NVDA more, every machine I've had, be it a laptop or desktop, one of the first things I've always done when doing the initial configuration is to enable the laptop keyboard layout. This doesn’t' mean that you can't use the desktop layout anymore. Simply that you will also have access to the laptop keystrokes in addition to the traditional desktop ones. Cristóbal -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 1:04 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend I honestly don't know if I'm the best person to help. Both my machines are laptop. I haven't used a desktop in years so I'm unfamiliar with that particular keyboard layout. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:54 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend I think though that the basic answer is that the caps lock can be used for the insert key by allowing it to do so in the settings, but that the keys needed for the navigation are different in the layouts. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout. One system should be taught at a time. There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation. I may send my own in the not distant future. Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: molly the blind tech lover Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they're using. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend Does the person have a numpad on their machine? Which keyboard layout are they using? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: molly the blind tech lover Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend Hey guys, Molly here again. I'm trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Molly |
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molly the blind tech lover
I think the problem was my friend tried using insert or caps lock while pressing the arrow keys and it didn't work. Or something like that. I realize I'm not explaining this very well, butI bet if we used NVDA remote support I could help figure it out. But then I'd feel like I was hijacking the computer. Not my intention 😉
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:12 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend I don't know what the hang up is. Having one of the other type of physical machine doesn't prohibit you from using either layout. Indeed, since I can remember be it with Jaws or now that I'm trying to use NVDA more, every machine I've had, be it a laptop or desktop, one of the first things I've always done when doing the initial configuration is to enable the laptop keyboard layout. This doesn’t' mean that you can't use the desktop layout anymore. Simply that you will also have access to the laptop keystrokes in addition to the traditional desktop ones. Cristóbal -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 1:04 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend I honestly don't know if I'm the best person to help. Both my machines are laptop. I haven't used a desktop in years so I'm unfamiliar with that particular keyboard layout. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:54 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend I think though that the basic answer is that the caps lock can be used for the insert key by allowing it to do so in the settings, but that the keys needed for the navigation are different in the layouts. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout. One system should be taught at a time. There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation. I may send my own in the not distant future. Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: molly the blind tech lover Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they're using. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend Does the person have a numpad on their machine? Which keyboard layout are they using? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: molly the blind tech lover Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend Hey guys, Molly here again. I'm trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Molly |
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molly the blind tech lover
Hmmm. Interesting. I think I’ll experiment with desktop layout on my laptop.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:32 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend
I just found another command that doesn't work in the laptop layout that is a desktop layout command, read current line, alt up arrow.
However, you may have been referring to the numpad screen review and object navigation commands. I believe that they work in both layouts, but that's beside the point. If someone is using the laptop layout and doesn't have a numpad, they need to learn the laptop layout commands.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend
Some commands work in one layout and not in the other. If you turn on the laptop layout, the desktop layout command for read to end won't work, for example. I don't know what other commands won't work.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Cristóbal Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend
I don't know what the hang up is. |
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