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Steve Nutt
Hi all,
With all this talk about 64-bit NVDA would be a lot better, I have to say that NVDA, using CodeFactory’s Eloquence add-on, is more responsive for me now than JAWS.
Also, another piece of good news, my Windows settings in Control Panel in Windows 10 is now accessible with NVDA, whereas for ages, it wouldn’t speak any of that window. I realise it was limited to a few configurations, but it sure was annoying at the time. I also realise that these problems are borne of problems with UIA, rather than problems with NVDA.
In short, although I have, and will continue to, use JAWS for a while yet, I think that NVDA is coming on in leaps and bounds.
But there are one or two very silly things about NVDA. For example, it won’t read how many messages are unread in a folder, when you Control+Y in Outlook. This is seriously annoying to me and one reason I couldn’t use it full time. It is visually there, and JAWS reads it, so in my view, by now, NVDA should read it too.
Also, flat review and object nav is not as intuitive as the JAWS cursor. You can’t just do a screen find, and click on it. We really need an equivalent to Hotspot Clicker in NVDA as well.
I keep coming back to this, because I want NVDA to be the go-to screen reader for everyone, but I think JAWS still has a little more polish than NVDA.
Just one guy’s opinion, don’t shoot me.
All the best
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Brian's Mail list account
OK we will just use a 1 ton weight instead hanging from a crane then...grin
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I do agree that although the screen and other navigation modes are powerful, the issue is the way to use them for those not interested in understanding objects children and all of that layered stuff. Flat review only seems to be utilising half of the power, but since I am not sure what Jaws actually is doing behind the scenes, given they probably harvest similar data, I'll leave it at that. I do notice though that even today, Jaws has a video interceptor loaded in windows 7. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 5:03 PM Subject: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi all, |
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Monte Single
Steve, I am using nvda with win 7 and outlook 2013. When I am in the message list of my inbox folder and want to info on messages, I press insert plus end. It tells me number of messages and number of unread messages. hth
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: February-05-19 11:04 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
Hi all,
With all this talk about 64-bit NVDA would be a lot better, I have to say that NVDA, using CodeFactory’s Eloquence add-on, is more responsive for me now than JAWS.
Also, another piece of good news, my Windows settings in Control Panel in Windows 10 is now accessible with NVDA, whereas for ages, it wouldn’t speak any of that window. I realise it was limited to a few configurations, but it sure was annoying at the time. I also realise that these problems are borne of problems with UIA, rather than problems with NVDA.
In short, although I have, and will continue to, use JAWS for a while yet, I think that NVDA is coming on in leaps and bounds.
But there are one or two very silly things about NVDA. For example, it won’t read how many messages are unread in a folder, when you Control+Y in Outlook. This is seriously annoying to me and one reason I couldn’t use it full time. It is visually there, and JAWS reads it, so in my view, by now, NVDA should read it too.
Also, flat review and object nav is not as intuitive as the JAWS cursor. You can’t just do a screen find, and click on it. We really need an equivalent to Hotspot Clicker in NVDA as well.
I keep coming back to this, because I want NVDA to be the go-to screen reader for everyone, but I think JAWS still has a little more polish than NVDA.
Just one guy’s opinion, don’t shoot me.
All the best
-- Computer Room Services 77 Exeter Close Stevenage Hertfordshire SG1 4PW Tel: +44(0)1438-742286 Mob: +44(0)7956-334938 Fax: +44(0)1438-759589 Email: steve@... Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk
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Steve Nutt
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In Windows 10, it still has a hook loaded, but I think that's what gives it the advantage. You can also run a portable version of JAWS without the hook though. All the best Steve -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 05 February 2019 18:33 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA OK we will just use a 1 ton weight instead hanging from a crane then...grin I do agree that although the screen and other navigation modes are powerful, the issue is the way to use them for those not interested in understanding objects children and all of that layered stuff. Flat review only seems to be utilising half of the power, but since I am not sure what Jaws actually is doing behind the scenes, given they probably harvest similar data, I'll leave it at that. I do notice though that even today, Jaws has a video interceptor loaded in windows 7. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 5:03 PM Subject: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi all, I |
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Steve Nutt
Yes, but that’s not useful when you are traversing folders and want to know which ones have unread messages in them. This should have been fixed a long time ago in NVDA, in my view.
All the best
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: 05 February 2019 20:34 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
Steve, I am using nvda with win 7 and outlook 2013. When I am in the message list of my inbox folder and want to info on messages, I press insert plus end. It tells me number of messages and number of unread messages. hth
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Hi all,
With all this talk about 64-bit NVDA would be a lot better, I have to say that NVDA, using CodeFactory’s Eloquence add-on, is more responsive for me now than JAWS.
Also, another piece of good news, my Windows settings in Control Panel in Windows 10 is now accessible with NVDA, whereas for ages, it wouldn’t speak any of that window. I realise it was limited to a few configurations, but it sure was annoying at the time. I also realise that these problems are borne of problems with UIA, rather than problems with NVDA.
In short, although I have, and will continue to, use JAWS for a while yet, I think that NVDA is coming on in leaps and bounds.
But there are one or two very silly things about NVDA. For example, it won’t read how many messages are unread in a folder, when you Control+Y in Outlook. This is seriously annoying to me and one reason I couldn’t use it full time. It is visually there, and JAWS reads it, so in my view, by now, NVDA should read it too.
Also, flat review and object nav is not as intuitive as the JAWS cursor. You can’t just do a screen find, and click on it. We really need an equivalent to Hotspot Clicker in NVDA as well.
I keep coming back to this, because I want NVDA to be the go-to screen reader for everyone, but I think JAWS still has a little more polish than NVDA.
Just one guy’s opinion, don’t shoot me.
All the best
-- Computer Room Services 77 Exeter Close Stevenage Hertfordshire SG1 4PW Tel: +44(0)1438-742286 Mob: +44(0)7956-334938 Fax: +44(0)1438-759589 Email: steve@... Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk
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Brian's Mail list account
Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and live mail.OK discontinued software but many still use them like myself with the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a very capable email and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully limited windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook route.
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, |
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Steve Nutt
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That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA, performing with the same programs. NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at reading the unread messages in the folder tree. It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message, though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off object descriptions. JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook verbosity. This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings. There is also no search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does it so well. All the best Steve -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and live mail.OK discontinued software but many still use them like myself with the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a very capable email and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully limited windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook route. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, |
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Monte Single
No. When I open your message, nvda reads the body of the message, it does
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not read the subject line. Yes, I am using outlook 2013. -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: February-06-19 6:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA, performing with the same programs. NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at reading the unread messages in the folder tree. It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message, though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off object descriptions. JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook verbosity. This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings. There is also no search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does it so well. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and live mail.OK discontinued software but many still use them like myself with the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a very capable email and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully limited windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook route. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, |
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molly the blind tech lover
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NVDA also reads the message body on my machine. However it reads the subject when I click on the message but then it reads the message body. I'm using outlook 2016. -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 8:03 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA No. When I open your message, nvda reads the body of the message, it does not read the subject line. Yes, I am using outlook 2013. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: February-06-19 6:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA, performing with the same programs. NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at reading the unread messages in the folder tree. It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message, though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off object descriptions. JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook verbosity. This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings. There is also no search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does it so well. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and live mail.OK discontinued software but many still use them like myself with the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a very capable email and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully limited windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook route. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, |
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The ability to search for NVDA settings is something NVDA developers would like to see, too. As for Outlook message headers, I don't hear other header info spoken in Office 365 (February 2019 release). Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 4:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA, performing with the same programs. NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at reading the unread messages in the folder tree. It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message, though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off object descriptions. JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook verbosity. This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings. There is also no search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does it so well. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and live mail.OK discontinued software but many still use them like myself with the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a very capable email and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully limited windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook route. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, |
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Steve Nutt
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I'm using Outlook 2016, and it does indeed read the subject line. All the best Steve -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single Sent: 06 February 2019 13:03 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA No. When I open your message, nvda reads the body of the message, it does not read the subject line. Yes, I am using outlook 2013. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: February-06-19 6:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA, performing with the same programs. NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at reading the unread messages in the folder tree. It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message, though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off object descriptions. JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook verbosity. This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings. There is also no search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does it so well. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and live mail.OK discontinued software but many still use them like myself with the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a very capable email and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully limited windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook route. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, |
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Steve Nutt
Yes, it reads the subject and the body when you open it.
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If however, you turn off object descriptions, it won't read the subject when you go into the message. I have had to create an Outlook profile just to do that. All the best Steve -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover Sent: 06 February 2019 13:07 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi. NVDA also reads the message body on my machine. However it reads the subject when I click on the message but then it reads the message body. I'm using outlook 2016. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 8:03 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA No. When I open your message, nvda reads the body of the message, it does not read the subject line. Yes, I am using outlook 2013. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: February-06-19 6:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA, performing with the same programs. NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at reading the unread messages in the folder tree. It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message, though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off object descriptions. JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook verbosity. This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings. There is also no search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does it so well. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and live mail.OK discontinued software but many still use them like myself with the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a very capable email and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully limited windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook route. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, |
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Steve is correct: NVDA Will indeed read the subject line because it is the title of the temporary document that opens (technical: focus event). Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:09 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, I'm using Outlook 2016, and it does indeed read the subject line. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single Sent: 06 February 2019 13:03 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA No. When I open your message, nvda reads the body of the message, it does not read the subject line. Yes, I am using outlook 2013. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: February-06-19 6:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA, performing with the same programs. NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at reading the unread messages in the folder tree. It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message, though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off object descriptions. JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook verbosity. This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings. There is also no search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does it so well. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and live mail.OK discontinued software but many still use them like myself with the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a very capable email and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully limited windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook route. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, |
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Steve Nutt
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That surprises me. As I say, unless you have object descriptions turned off, you will hear the subject again, when you enter the message. No big deal, it just takes longer, and makes JAWS more efficient <Smile>. All the best Steve -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: 06 February 2019 14:45 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, The ability to search for NVDA settings is something NVDA developers would like to see, too. As for Outlook message headers, I don't hear other header info spoken in Office 365 (February 2019 release). Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 4:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA, performing with the same programs. NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at reading the unread messages in the folder tree. It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message, though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off object descriptions. JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook verbosity. This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings. There is also no search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does it so well. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and live mail.OK discontinued software but many still use them like myself with the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a very capable email and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully limited windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook route. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, |
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Ah, found a possible cause: some parts of the message window is recognized as a dialog, hence explaining why you may hear header info as that's what accessibility API's will return as description text. The thing is, the "descriptor" for this dialog (window class name, MSAA info, etc.) is the kind used for generic dialogs, so there may not be an easy fix (isolating the dialog that shows up when you open a message, and telling NVDA that this is not really a dialog). I may need to test it with stable releases to find out if a future NVDA release fixed it. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:10 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Yes, it reads the subject and the body when you open it. If however, you turn off object descriptions, it won't read the subject when you go into the message. I have had to create an Outlook profile just to do that. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover Sent: 06 February 2019 13:07 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi. NVDA also reads the message body on my machine. However it reads the subject when I click on the message but then it reads the message body. I'm using outlook 2016. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 8:03 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA No. When I open your message, nvda reads the body of the message, it does not read the subject line. Yes, I am using outlook 2013. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: February-06-19 6:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA, performing with the same programs. NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at reading the unread messages in the folder tree. It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message, though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off object descriptions. JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook verbosity. This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings. There is also no search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does it so well. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and live mail.OK discontinued software but many still use them like myself with the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a very capable email and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully limited windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook route. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, |
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Gene
I don't know what accounts for the different
reports, but if the subject line is read redundantly, you can stop this behavior
in e-mail programs by opening the message and then executing the read to end
command.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using
NVDA I'm using Outlook 2016, and it does indeed read the subject line. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single Sent: 06 February 2019 13:03 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA No. When I open your message, nvda reads the body of the message, it does not read the subject line. Yes, I am using outlook 2013. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: February-06-19 6:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA, performing with the same programs. NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at reading the unread messages in the folder tree. It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message, though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off object descriptions. JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook verbosity. This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings. There is also no search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does it so well. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and live mail.OK discontinued software but many still use them like myself with the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a very capable email and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully limited windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook route. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA > Hi, > > In Windows 10, it still has a hook loaded, but I think that's what > gives it the advantage. > > You can also run a portable version of JAWS without the hook though. > > All the best > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's > Mail list account via Groups.Io > Sent: 05 February 2019 18:33 > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA > > OK we will just use a 1 ton weight instead hanging from a crane > then...grin I do agree that although the screen and other navigation > modes are powerful, the issue is the way to use them for those not > interested in understanding objects children and all of that layered > stuff. Flat review only seems to be utilising half of the power, but > since I am not sure what Jaws actually is doing behind the scenes, > given they probably harvest similar data, I'll leave it at that. > I do notice though that even today, Jaws has a video interceptor > loaded in windows 7. > Brian > > bglists@... > Sent via blueyonder. > Please address personal E-mail to:- > briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' > in the display name field. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 5:03 PM > Subject: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA > > >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> With all this talk about 64-bit NVDA would be a lot better, I have to >> say that NVDA, using CodeFactory's Eloquence add-on, is more >> responsive for me now than JAWS. >> >> >> >> Also, another piece of good news, my Windows settings in Control >> Panel in Windows 10 is now accessible with NVDA, whereas for ages, it >> wouldn't speak any of that window. I realise it was limited to a few >> configurations, but it sure was annoying at the time. I also realise >> that these problems are borne of problems with UIA, rather than >> problems with NVDA. >> >> >> >> In short, although I have, and will continue to, use JAWS for a while >> yet, > >> I >> think that NVDA is coming on in leaps and bounds. >> >> >> >> But there are one or two very silly things about NVDA. For example, >> it won't read how many messages are unread in a folder, when you >> Control+Y in Outlook. This is seriously annoying to me and one >> reason I couldn't use it full time. It is visually there, and JAWS >> reads it, so in my view, by now, NVDA should read it too. >> >> >> >> Also, flat review and object nav is not as intuitive as the JAWS cursor. >> You can't just do a screen find, and click on it. We really need an >> equivalent to Hotspot Clicker in NVDA as well. >> >> >> >> I keep coming back to this, because I want NVDA to be the go-to >> screen reader for everyone, but I think JAWS still has a little more >> polish than NVDA. >> >> >> >> Just one guy's opinion, don't shoot me. >> >> >> >> All the best >> >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Computer Room Services >> >> 77 Exeter Close >> >> Stevenage >> >> Hertfordshire >> >> SG1 4PW >> >> Tel: +44(0)1438-742286 >> >> Mob: +44(0)7956-334938 >> >> Fax: +44(0)1438-759589 >> >> Email: <mailto:steve@...> steve@... >> >> Web: <http://www.comproom.co.uk/> http://www.comproom.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > |
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I have Outlook 2007 and after pressing enter on a message in the folder list, NVDA reads the text in the subject box not the whole line, then it announces the message format, then the control type i.e "Dialog, Message document, multi-line", then it reads the first line of the message body. Cheers Chris -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: 6 February 2019 15:09 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, I'm using Outlook 2016, and it does indeed read the subject line. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single Sent: 06 February 2019 13:03 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA No. When I open your message, nvda reads the body of the message, it does not read the subject line. Yes, I am using outlook 2013. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: February-06-19 6:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA, performing with the same programs. NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at reading the unread messages in the folder tree. It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message, though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off object descriptions. JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook verbosity. This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings. There is also no search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does it so well. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and live mail.OK discontinued software but many still use them like myself with the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a very capable email and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully limited windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook route. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, |
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I have outlook 2016. How do I get outlook 2019? -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 6:33 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi I have Outlook 2007 and after pressing enter on a message in the folder list, NVDA reads the text in the subject box not the whole line, then it announces the message format, then the control type i.e "Dialog, Message document, multi-line", then it reads the first line of the message body. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: 6 February 2019 15:09 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, I'm using Outlook 2016, and it does indeed read the subject line. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single Sent: 06 February 2019 13:03 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA No. When I open your message, nvda reads the body of the message, it does not read the subject line. Yes, I am using outlook 2013. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: February-06-19 6:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA, performing with the same programs. NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at reading the unread messages in the folder tree. It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message, though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off object descriptions. JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook verbosity. This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings. There is also no search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does it so well. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and live mail.OK discontinued software but many still use them like myself with the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a very capable email and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully limited windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook route. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, |
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You can cause JAWS to read the message body and not
read all that extraneous information by getting in the habit of issuing read to
end after opening a message. You may have to experiment to see if you have
to wait at all before issuing the command. If you get in the habit of
doing this, it becomes automatic and you can do this very quickly.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using
NVDA I have Outlook 2007 and after pressing enter on a message in the folder list, NVDA reads the text in the subject box not the whole line, then it announces the message format, then the control type i.e "Dialog, Message document, multi-line", then it reads the first line of the message body. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: 6 February 2019 15:09 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, I'm using Outlook 2016, and it does indeed read the subject line. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single Sent: 06 February 2019 13:03 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA No. When I open your message, nvda reads the body of the message, it does not read the subject line. Yes, I am using outlook 2013. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: February-06-19 6:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA, performing with the same programs. NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at reading the unread messages in the folder tree. It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message, though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off object descriptions. JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook verbosity. This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings. There is also no search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does it so well. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and live mail.OK discontinued software but many still use them like myself with the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a very capable email and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully limited windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook route. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA > Hi, > > In Windows 10, it still has a hook loaded, but I think that's what > gives it the advantage. > > You can also run a portable version of JAWS without the hook though. > > All the best > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's > Mail list account via Groups.Io > Sent: 05 February 2019 18:33 > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA > > OK we will just use a 1 ton weight instead hanging from a crane > then...grin I do agree that although the screen and other navigation > modes are powerful, the issue is the way to use them for those not > interested in understanding objects children and all of that layered > stuff. Flat review only seems to be utilising half of the power, but > since I am not sure what Jaws actually is doing behind the scenes, > given they probably harvest similar data, I'll leave it at that. > I do notice though that even today, Jaws has a video interceptor > loaded in windows 7. > Brian > > bglists@... > Sent via blueyonder. > Please address personal E-mail to:- > briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' > in the display name field. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 5:03 PM > Subject: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA > > >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> With all this talk about 64-bit NVDA would be a lot better, I have to >> say that NVDA, using CodeFactory's Eloquence add-on, is more >> responsive for me now than JAWS. >> >> >> >> Also, another piece of good news, my Windows settings in Control >> Panel in Windows 10 is now accessible with NVDA, whereas for ages, it >> wouldn't speak any of that window. I realise it was limited to a few >> configurations, but it sure was annoying at the time. I also realise >> that these problems are borne of problems with UIA, rather than >> problems with NVDA. >> >> >> >> In short, although I have, and will continue to, use JAWS for a while >> yet, > >> I >> think that NVDA is coming on in leaps and bounds. >> >> >> >> But there are one or two very silly things about NVDA. For example, >> it won't read how many messages are unread in a folder, when you >> Control+Y in Outlook. This is seriously annoying to me and one >> reason I couldn't use it full time. It is visually there, and JAWS >> reads it, so in my view, by now, NVDA should read it too. >> >> >> >> Also, flat review and object nav is not as intuitive as the JAWS cursor. >> You can't just do a screen find, and click on it. We really need an >> equivalent to Hotspot Clicker in NVDA as well. >> >> >> >> I keep coming back to this, because I want NVDA to be the go-to >> screen reader for everyone, but I think JAWS still has a little more >> polish than NVDA. >> >> >> >> Just one guy's opinion, don't shoot me. >> >> >> >> All the best >> >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Computer Room Services >> >> 77 Exeter Close >> >> Stevenage >> >> Hertfordshire >> >> SG1 4PW >> >> Tel: +44(0)1438-742286 >> >> Mob: +44(0)7956-334938 >> >> Fax: +44(0)1438-759589 >> >> Email: <mailto:steve@...> steve@... >> >> Web: <http://www.comproom.co.uk/> http://www.comproom.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > |
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You have Outlook 2016; you do not need Outlook 2019. Lots of people are still using outlook 2010. The only way to get Outlook 2019 is to buy it. Spend your money on something you need. Or really want; you know, food, clothes, shoes -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover Sent: February-07-19 5:45 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi. I have outlook 2016. How do I get outlook 2019? -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 6:33 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi I have Outlook 2007 and after pressing enter on a message in the folder list, NVDA reads the text in the subject box not the whole line, then it announces the message format, then the control type i.e "Dialog, Message document, multi-line", then it reads the first line of the message body. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: 6 February 2019 15:09 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, I'm using Outlook 2016, and it does indeed read the subject line. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single Sent: 06 February 2019 13:03 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA No. When I open your message, nvda reads the body of the message, it does not read the subject line. Yes, I am using outlook 2013. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: February-06-19 6:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA, performing with the same programs. NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at reading the unread messages in the folder tree. It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message, though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off object descriptions. JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook verbosity. This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings. There is also no search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does it so well. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and live mail.OK discontinued software but many still use them like myself with the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a very capable email and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully limited windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook route. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi, |
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