Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer
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Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:
Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security chief If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now expired, nothing will. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Clarissa Mitchell
I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
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There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA.
On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:
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Ron Canazzi
This is interesting. So why does the Cortana voice inquiry launch Internet Explorer by default after a Windows install? Now I changed it since then, but how many people take the time to do so?
On 2/8/2019 6:50 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK: -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Clarissa Mitchell
I hadn't thought of that.
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On 2/8/19, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
This is interesting. So why does the Cortana voice inquiry launch
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As far as I know, plans for Windows 10 were to replace IE with Edge,
what they did, so Cortana actually uses Edge, not IE.
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However, IE is still there, for a reason that heavens only knows. Maybe if they remove it they'll break something on Windows? I don't know, but well... Em 08/02/2019 23:16, Ron Canazzi
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Rosemarie Chavarria
I stopped using internet explorer too. Now I use either waterfox or chrome.
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 5:10 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox. There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA. On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote: Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:
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On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 08:16 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
So why does the Cortana voice inquiry launch Internet Explorer by default after a Windows install?It hasn't in my observation since Microsoft did the forced plural marriage between Cortana, Edge, & Bing in 2016. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Gene
You may not find ways that work as well to use
those sites. You may continue using Internet Explorer with them.
It’s the browser you use as the main browser that is the issue, not the browser
you use for occasional accessibility purposes with this or that site.
Gene
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From: Rosemarie ChavarrFrom: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 5:10 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox. There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA. On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote: > Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK: > > Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security > chief ( > https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet- > explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/ > ) > > If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now > expired, nothing will. > -- > > Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 > > *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the > need for illusion is deep.* > > ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back > > > >
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MAX <max@...>
The management of favorites in chrome and Firefox is almost nonexistent. I use explorer to update and manage my favorites file. Why can’t programmers leave things alone. Especially things that work.
73 (Regards).
Max K 4 O D S.
I've Never Lost the Wonder.
Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 8:39 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer
You may not find ways that work as well to use those sites. You may continue using Internet Explorer with them. It’s the browser you use as the main browser that is the issue, not the browser you use for occasional accessibility purposes with this or that site.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Rosemarie ChavarrFrom: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
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Gene
What do you mean by the management is almost
nonexistent? You can move bookmarks around in Firefox. I assume you
can in Chrome as well. Instead of assuming something isn't available or
doesn't exist, ask here or get some sort of documentation or tutorial.
You'll save yourself a lot of trouble.
Open the bookmarks menu with alt b.
Move to a bookmark in Firefox. Open the
context menu. Down arrow to cut. Press enter.
Then move to where you want the bookmark to
be. Open the context menu and find paste. Press enter.
The bookmark has been moved.
However, I almost never move or organize bookmarks
in Firefox because of the very good search for bookmarks feature. If you
are interested, I'll describe it.
Gene
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From: MAX
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using
Internet Explorer The management of favorites in chrome and Firefox is almost nonexistent. I use explorer to update and manage my favorites file. Why can’t programmers leave things alone. Especially things that work.
73 (Regards).
Max K 4 O D S.
I've Never Lost the Wonder.
Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
You may not find ways that work as well to use those sites. You may continue using Internet Explorer with them. It’s the browser you use as the main browser that is the issue, not the browser you use for occasional accessibility purposes with this or that site.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Rosemarie
ChavarrFrom: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Clarissa Mitchell
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Kwork <istherelife@...>
Actually mine launched Edge by default. Not sure why it launched IE for others.
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Travis
On 2/8/2019 6:23 PM, Clarissa Mitchell wrote:
I hadn't thought of that.
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Kwork <istherelife@...>
Clarissa, you may not need to use the current implementation of Edge much anyway as Microsoft will be adapting their web browser shortly to something different, with more Chromium based features.
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As for using IE, I won't get rid of it as I do find the occasional site that works best on it, even now. Waterfox, Firefox, then Chrome, have become my main browsers in that order. Usually one of those gets done what I want except for that 2% of the time when IE still works best. Travis
On 2/8/2019 6:09 PM, Clarissa Mitchell wrote:
I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
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Ron Canazzi
When I first got Windows 10 on this newer 64 bit system, when I used Cortana, it launched Internet Explorer--not Edge.
On 2/8/2019 8:21 PM, marcio via
Groups.Io wrote:
As far as I know, plans for Windows 10 were to replace IE with Edge, what they did, so Cortana actually uses Edge, not IE. -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Actually mine launched Edge by default. Not sure why it launched IE for others.
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Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
That is though mainly because they have not bothered to actually bring it up to date. They want everyone to get Windows 10 and use Edge.
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On the other hand a lot of the things in IE have been clunky for some time, so most people I know use Firefox, Water-fox or Chrome most of the time. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Brian Vogel" <@britechguy> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 11:50 PM Subject: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK: Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security chief ( https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/ ) If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now expired, nothing will. -- Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.* ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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molly the blind tech lover
Well internet explorer was great while it lasted. I've been using Chrome and Firefox for two years now.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kwork Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 12:37 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer Actually mine launched Edge by default. Not sure why it launched IE for others. Travis On 2/8/2019 6:23 PM, Clarissa Mitchell wrote: I hadn't thought of that.
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Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
One interesting oddity I discovered lately on windows 7 was no matter when you opened the email some links in emails particularly from the British government seem to be hard wired to open the page in IE. I know this as they keep on prompting to make IE the default browser. I tend now to go to the address bar , grab the url from IE as its sluggish anyway, and launch waterfox and paste the address in there.
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That seems to work very well. Weird. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Clarissa Mitchell" <@musicgirl> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
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Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
What is wrong with favourites in firefox or waterfox? I can change names move stuff about and delete and atdd ago see not real issue. Most of the problems are my laziness to actually do it!
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "MAX" <max@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer The management of favorites in chrome and Firefox is almost nonexistent. I use explorer to update and manage my favorites file. Why can’t programmers leave things alone. Especially things that work. 73 (Regards). Max K 4 O D S. I've Never Lost the Wonder. Antique Electronics Site: <http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/> http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/ From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 8:39 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer You may not find ways that work as well to use those sites. You may continue using Internet Explorer with them. It’s the browser you use as the main browser that is the issue, not the browser you use for occasional accessibility purposes with this or that site. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Rosemarie Chavarr <mailto:knitqueen2007@...> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 5:10 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox. There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA. On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy <mailto:@britechguy> > wrote: Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:
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molly the blind tech lover
I’m not surprised internet explorer now seems to have all these security flaws. Especially if Microsoft is focusing on edge.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 12:53 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer
When I first got Windows 10 on this newer 64 bit system, when I used Cortana, it launched Internet Explorer--not Edge.
On 2/8/2019 8:21 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Indeed the pesky launching of Edge is a little annoying in windows 10.
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However, I had to laugh the other day when a dodgy email came in to a lot of us at the tn. most people are sighted and either used webmail or Tbird. Many of them got infected by some kind of pop up windows were advertising code. I did not. I am using the old Outlook Express. I thought this a little amusing. Certainly Superantispyware removed the thing for them but it just goes to show that its being careful more than outdated programs that is often the key for keeping the computer clean. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Brian Vogel" <@britechguy> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 08:16 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote: It hasn't in my observation since Microsoft did the forced plural marriage between Cortana, Edge, & Bing in 2016. -- Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.* ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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