Some mouse navigation questions
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Jed Barton
Hey guys,
Jed here, 1st post. So, i'm taking the nvda plunge coming from jawas. I have used nvda a little bit, but am trying to get familiar with some more of the keyboard commands. So, what's the best way to navigate using the mouse in NVDA?? With jfw, we have the jaws and PC cursor. Also, what's the best way to get to the preferences? Cheers, Jed |
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hurrikennyandopo ...
Hi
You mean as to get into the settings of nvda where you can make changes use the nvda key + letter N then arrow down to preferences then right to settings then press the enter key to go into that section.
Or quickly do the following nvda key + letter N then the letter P then press the enter key. Then it is a matter of going through the sections there.
there are other short cut keys to get to other parts of the settings menu
for example nvda key + ctrl key + letter V will take you into the voice settings.
The following link might help you with some of your questions found at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/FAQ also when you use the nvda key + letter N to bring up the preferences menu arrow down to help then right to user guide it has shortcuts for both lap top and desk top users.
In the user manual from section 5 to 5.7 should answer most of your questions.
gene nz
On 9/02/2019 5:45 PM, Jed Barton wrote:
Hey guys, Jed here, 1st post. So, i'm taking the nvda plunge coming from jawas. I have used nvda a little bit, but am trying to get familiar with some more of the keyboard commands. So, what's the best way to navigate using the mouse in NVDA?? With jfw, we have the jaws and PC cursor. Also, what's the best way to get to the preferences? Cheers, Jed --
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Steve Nutt
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Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the mouse in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it. I believe Insert+Enter on the numpad will click for you, but actually moving the mouse is a bit painful, it's not as nice as the JAWS cursor. You have review mode, or object nav, which take some getting used to. All the best Steve -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jed Barton Sent: 09 February 2019 04:46 To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions Hey guys, Jed here, 1st post. So, i'm taking the nvda plunge coming from jawas. I have used nvda a little bit, but am trying to get familiar with some more of the keyboard commands. So, what's the best way to navigate using the mouse in NVDA?? With jfw, we have the jaws and PC cursor. Also, what's the best way to get to the preferences? Cheers, Jed |
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On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the mouse in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it.Please expand on what you are using in JAWS. One of the things I think is (or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction with the mouse. I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks, whether in native form or by installing any of several different add-ons. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Jed Barton
Hey guys,
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so i guess what i'm trying to figure out here, ya know in jaws we have the PC and jaws cursor. Does such an animal exist in NVDA? Obviously there are some things we can access in jaws with the PC cursor, and some things with the jaws cursor. Then we have the ability to route from 1 to the other. Can we do the same thing in NVDA? On 2/9/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:Please expand on what you are using in JAWS. One of the things I think is |
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Gene
The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review
mode. There is also object navigation which, according to what I've heard
and read is equivalent to the touch cursor in NVDA. To read about screen
review, you can look at the user guide
You can look at the user guide
for information about object navigation but you would probably be better off
using a tutorial. I'll let list members discuss which tutorial they like
that deals with the subject.
You can click the mouse once you
move to something using object navigation or screen review mode. Use the
command NVDA key slash, the mouse left click key in JAWS and NVDA. That
moves the mouse to your current position in object navigation or screen review,
whichever you are using. Then press slash again, which iss left click, as
I said.
I can tell you where to look in
the user manual but if you want me to, ask and I'll do so in another
message. I'd have to look it up.
Also, if you don't know them,
you need to know screen review keys such as numpad 8 read current line in
review, numpad 7, move to and read previous line. and the rest.
Also, remember to always go back
to object navigation after using screen review. Certain things won't work
as they should if you don't.
Gene
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Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions so i guess what i'm trying to figure out here, ya know in jaws we have the PC and jaws cursor. Does such an animal exist in NVDA? Obviously there are some things we can access in jaws with the PC cursor, and some things with the jaws cursor. Then we have the ability to route from 1 to the other. Can we do the same thing in NVDA? On 2/9/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote: > On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote: > >> >> Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the mouse >> in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it. > > Please expand on what you are using in JAWS. One of the things I think is > (or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction with the > mouse. > > I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks, whether in > native form or by installing any of several different add-ons. > > -- > > Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 > > *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for > illusion is deep.* > > ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back > > > > |
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Jed Barton
how do you go between object and screen navigation?
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On 2/9/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review mode. There is also |
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David Moore
Hi! There is an NVDA add-on called: Golden cursor. It allows you to navigate with the mouse using the key board. Many of the commands involve holding down the Windows and NVDA key and pressing the arrow keys. You can move the mouse up and down, for example, by pressing the up and down arrow keys, with the Windows and NVDA key held down. You can choose how many pixels to move by each time you press an arrow key. I use it a lot. You can even save mouse positions so you can move the mouse right to that position. This is much better than using Mouse Echo in JAWS. Have a great one! David Moore
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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 12:22 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions
On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Please expand on what you are using in JAWS. One of the things I think is (or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction with the mouse. Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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David Moore
Hi! Hold down NVDA and press page up and page down to switch between object and screen navigation! David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Jed Barton
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 1:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions
how do you go between object and screen navigation?
On 2/9/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote: > The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review mode. There is also > object navigation which, according to what I've heard and read is equivalent > to the touch cursor in NVDA. To read about screen review, you can look at > the user guide > > You can look at the user guide for information about object navigation but > you would probably be better off using a tutorial. I'll let list members > discuss which tutorial they like that deals with the subject. > > You can click the mouse once you move to something using object navigation > or screen review mode. Use the command NVDA key slash, the mouse left click > key in JAWS and NVDA. That moves the mouse to your current position in > object navigation or screen review, whichever you are using. Then press > slash again, which iss left click, as I said. > > I can tell you where to look in the user manual but if you want me to, ask > and I'll do so in another message. I'd have to look it up. > > Also, if you don't know them, you need to know screen review keys such as > numpad 8 read current line in review, numpad 7, move to and read previous > line. and the rest. > > Also, remember to always go back to object navigation after using screen > review. Certain things won't work as they should if you don't. > > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jed Barton > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:47 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions > > > Hey guys, > so i guess what i'm trying to figure out here, ya know in jaws we have > the PC and jaws cursor. Does such an animal exist in NVDA? Obviously > there are some things we can access in jaws with the PC cursor, and > some things with the jaws cursor. Then we have the ability to route > from 1 to the other. Can we do the same thing in NVDA? > > On 2/9/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote: >> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote: >> >>> >>> Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the mouse >>> in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it. >> >> Please expand on what you are using in JAWS. One of the things I think >> is >> (or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction with >> the >> mouse. >> >> I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks, whether >> in >> native form or by installing any of several different add-ons. >> >> -- >> >> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 >> >> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need >> for >> illusion is deep.* >> >> ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
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Tony Malykh
I think what you would like to know is how to switch between the equivalent of PC Cursor (which is I believe called System Focus in NVDA) and equivalent of Jaws cursor (which is called review cursor or review mode in NVDA). If that's your question, then here is the answer. You don't have to switch between them in NVDA - they coexist. You just use the main inverted T-shaped arrow keys to move system focus and you can use numpad keys to move review cursor. Typically, you only need to use review mode cursor only in places where system focus cannot go. Review cursor is tethered to system cursor by default. Also the numpad keystrokes to control review cursor are very different from Jaws numpad keystrokes, but you can read more in NVDA documentation. Other than that, the two modes in Jaws and NVDA are very similar.
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HTH --Tony On 2/9/2019 10:52 AM, Jed Barton wrote:
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Gene
Also, a correction or addition needs to be made to
an earlier message by another list member. In the desktop keyboard layout,
the way you move through the different modes is to hold numpad insert and while
doing so, press numpad 7 to move forward through the selections and numpad 1 to
move back.
I don't know the laptop layout
commands and those may be what were given. But if you are using the
desktop layout, the default, layout, the numpad commands I gave are for
switching review modes.
Gene
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From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation
questions The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review
mode. There is also object navigation which, according to what I've heard
and read is equivalent to the touch cursor in NVDA. To read about screen
review, you can look at the user guide
You can look at the user guide
for information about object navigation but you would probably be better off
using a tutorial. I'll let list members discuss which tutorial they like
that deals with the subject.
You can click the mouse once you
move to something using object navigation or screen review mode. Use the
command NVDA key slash, the mouse left click key in JAWS and NVDA. That
moves the mouse to your current position in object navigation or screen review,
whichever you are using. Then press slash again, which iss left click, as
I said.
I can tell you where to look in
the user manual but if you want me to, ask and I'll do so in another
message. I'd have to look it up.
Also, if you don't know them,
you need to know screen review keys such as numpad 8 read current line in
review, numpad 7, move to and read previous line. and the rest.
Also, remember to always go back
to object navigation after using screen review. Certain things won't work
as they should if you don't.
Gene
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From: Jed Barton
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions so i guess what i'm trying to figure out here, ya know in jaws we have the PC and jaws cursor. Does such an animal exist in NVDA? Obviously there are some things we can access in jaws with the PC cursor, and some things with the jaws cursor. Then we have the ability to route from 1 to the other. Can we do the same thing in NVDA? On 2/9/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote: > On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote: > >> >> Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the mouse >> in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it. > > Please expand on what you are using in JAWS. One of the things I think is > (or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction with the > mouse. > > I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks, whether in > native form or by installing any of several different add-ons. > > -- > > Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 > > *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for > illusion is deep.* > > ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back > > > > |
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Steve Nutt
Hi Jean,
What I find about screen review mode is that it seems to be restricted to the current window. Is there any way of unrestricting it?
It also doesn’t see everything on screen, probably because of the lack of video hooks, but it certainly isn’t as good as JAWS for screen review.
All the best
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 09 February 2019 18:26 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions
The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review mode. There is also object navigation which, according to what I've heard and read is equivalent to the touch cursor in NVDA. To read about screen review, you can look at the user guide
You can look at the user guide for information about object navigation but you would probably be better off using a tutorial. I'll let list members discuss which tutorial they like that deals with the subject.
You can click the mouse once you move to something using object navigation or screen review mode. Use the command NVDA key slash, the mouse left click key in JAWS and NVDA. That moves the mouse to your current position in object navigation or screen review, whichever you are using. Then press slash again, which iss left click, as I said.
I can tell you where to look in the user manual but if you want me to, ask and I'll do so in another message. I'd have to look it up.
Also, if you don't know them, you need to know screen review keys such as numpad 8 read current line in review, numpad 7, move to and read previous line. and the rest.
Also, remember to always go back to object navigation after using screen review. Certain things won't work as they should if you don't.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Jed Barton Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions
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Steve Nutt
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I believe that's 1 and 7 on the numpad to go prev or next review mode. All the best Steve -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jed Barton Sent: 09 February 2019 18:53 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions how do you go between object and screen navigation? On 2/9/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote: The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review mode. There is |
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Rui Fontes
Hello Steve!
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The screen review is made to the object focused. If you use NVDA+NumPad8, you will go to the parent object and screen review will be made to this new object... Rui Fontes Às 16:50 de 10/02/2019, Steve Nutt escreveu: Hi Jean, |
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Steve Nutt
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Actually they aren't. I don't think that JAWS has any similarity to Object Review mode. But you may have answered one of my questions. If I untether the review cursor, it may well go outside the window you are in. If it doesn't, then JAWS does this better. All the best Steve -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh Sent: 09 February 2019 22:15 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions I think what you would like to know is how to switch between the equivalent of PC Cursor (which is I believe called System Focus in NVDA) and equivalent of Jaws cursor (which is called review cursor or review mode in NVDA). If that's your question, then here is the answer. You don't have to switch between them in NVDA - they coexist. You just use the main inverted T-shaped arrow keys to move system focus and you can use numpad keys to move review cursor. Typically, you only need to use review mode cursor only in places where system focus cannot go. Review cursor is tethered to system cursor by default. Also the numpad keystrokes to control review cursor are very different from Jaws numpad keystrokes, but you can read more in NVDA documentation. Other than that, the two modes in Jaws and NVDA are very similar. HTH --Tony On 2/9/2019 10:52 AM, Jed Barton wrote: how do you go between object and screen navigation? |
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Steve Nutt
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I know this. But can you move the review cursor out of the active program's window? All the best Steve -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes Sent: 10 February 2019 16:57 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions Hello Steve! The screen review is made to the object focused. If you use NVDA+NumPad8, you will go to the parent object and screen review will be made to this new object... Rui Fontes Às 16:50 de 10/02/2019, Steve Nutt escreveu: Hi Jean, |
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Laptop keys are thus Switch review modes: nvda plus page up and page down Take care On 9 Feb 2019, at 16:35, Gene wrote:
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I love screen review and it does actually catch everything on the screen, at least in the program I have to use it in. I just learned about it last week, so for me this is really cooll. On 10 Feb 2019, at 8:50, Steve Nutt wrote:
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Gene
I'm not saying the following to give you a hard
time, as I explain below. You have a bias towards JAWS which I'm pointing
out because it may give a false impression to some list members. please
reserve such conclusions, if you can, until after you really know NVDA
well. There are ways in which JAWS is more capable, such as being able to
have the user define frames to perform actions that make some programs far more
easy to use and, in effect, more accessible. If you use such capabilities,
JAWS may be the screen-reader for you to use as your main screen-reader but you
appear to underestimate the abilities of NVDA in other areas.
As far as I know, screen review is limited to the
current window. But object navigation definitely has no such limitations
and you can see things with it you can't see in review mode. It is
equivalent to the Touch Cursor in JAWS but since I haven't used the touch
cursor, I can't give a detailed comparison and contrast.
I haven't seen any list members tell you where to
get material about such things as object navigation and screen review.
I'll look and send you some information in another message, though I haven't
followed such matters as carefully as some list members.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation
questions Hi Jean,
What I find about screen review mode is that it seems to be restricted to the current window. Is there any way of unrestricting it?
It also doesn’t see everything on screen, probably because of the lack of video hooks, but it certainly isn’t as good as JAWS for screen review.
All the best
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review mode. There is also object navigation which, according to what I've heard and read is equivalent to the touch cursor in NVDA. To read about screen review, you can look at the user guide
You can look at the user guide for information about object navigation but you would probably be better off using a tutorial. I'll let list members discuss which tutorial they like that deals with the subject.
You can click the mouse once you move to something using object navigation or screen review mode. Use the command NVDA key slash, the mouse left click key in JAWS and NVDA. That moves the mouse to your current position in object navigation or screen review, whichever you are using. Then press slash again, which iss left click, as I said.
I can tell you where to look in the user manual but if you want me to, ask and I'll do so in another message. I'd have to look it up.
Also, if you don't know them, you need to know screen review keys such as numpad 8 read current line in review, numpad 7, move to and read previous line. and the rest.
Also, remember to always go back to object navigation after using screen review. Certain things won't work as they should if you don't.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Jed Barton Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions
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Steve Nutt
Hi,
Fine if it works for your program, but often it doesn’t “see” everything on the screen.
All the best
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 10 February 2019 18:23 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions
I love screen review and it does actually catch everything on the screen, at least in the program I have to use it in. I just learned about it last week, so for me this is really cooll. On 10 Feb 2019, at 8:50, Steve Nutt wrote:
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