Using Office Products with UIA


 

Hi All,

 

Heard some folks talking about major performance improvements provided by using UIA in Microsoft Office. Does anyone know how to enable UIA for these applications?

 

Thanks,

 

Noah

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Daniel Wolak <danielwolak97@...>
 

Hi,

I did some digging, as am interested in testing this myself.

In issue #7409, it is advised to do the following:


You will need to:
1. Open nvda.ini (from your user settings directory) with a text editor.
1. Use the run dialog and type "%appdata%/nvda/"
2. Look for UIA or useInMSWordWhenAvailable
1. If there is already a UIA section just add the line useInMSWordWhenAvailable = True indented with a tab
2. If both are present, ensure that it is set to True not False
3. If neither are available then add the following to the bottom of the file:
[UIA]
    useInMSWordWhenAvailable = True
3. After you finish testing, you should delete this entry or restore from your backup.


Note that things may have changed since this was written down, so if anyone else has alternative/more up to date info, then do let us know.

HTH,


Daniel


On 16/02/2019 03:36, Noah Carver via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi All,

 

Heard some folks talking about major performance improvements provided by using UIA in Microsoft Office. Does anyone know how to enable UIA for these applications?

 

Thanks,

 

Noah

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Hello,

In the latest alpha of NVDA you can turn on UIA support for Word in NVDA settings under advanced.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Noah Carver via Groups.Io
Sent: Samstag, 16. Februar 2019 04:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

 

Hi All,

 

Heard some folks talking about major performance improvements provided by using UIA in Microsoft Office. Does anyone know how to enable UIA for these applications?

 

Thanks,

 

Noah

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


 

If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word, and since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't this be on by default after1901?


Devin Prater
 

I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use. I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.
Devin Pratersent from Gmail.


On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@...> wrote:

If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word, and since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't this be on by default after1901?


 

Hi,

At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t be enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs and regressions with UIA on.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

 

I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use. I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.

Devin Pratersent from Gmail.

 

 

On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@...> wrote:

If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word, and since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't this be on by default after1901?


 

hi joseph.
i have a question about uia.
can you please teach me how to disable uia in windows 7 if one day i
decided to use windows 7 or use a computer of someone who uses windows
7?
i wish to disable uia in windows 7 and configure nvda to use msaa on
windows 7 as nvda uses msaa on windows xp.
i really need this change and i am waiting for your help, God bless you!

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t be
enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs and
regressions with UIA on.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA



I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as reading
a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use. I hope that
all other Office programs start using this too.


Devin Pratersent from Gmail.





On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@gmail.com
<mailto:kingettr@gmail.com> > wrote:

If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word, and since
Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't this be on by
default after1901?






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


 

Hi,
You can sort of do this (modifying the configuration file), though I can't guarantee if that will resolve all sorts of problems you may encounter as a result. For instance, although certain Windows Explorer features may become more "usable", it may not solve some problems you might be having.
Also, on a personal note, I wouldn't really count on going back to Windows XP days, or for that matter, use that as a justification for turning off an accessibility API. As noted by at least two resident screen reader trainers (Gene and Brian), for all practical purposes, it would be wise to move on from XP if trying to perform certain productivity and web browsing tasks (XP was a massive target of a ransomware in 2017). Thus, personally, the request to consider turning off UIA in favor of MSAA just because of appearance of stability under XP is hereby denied (sorry; I do know it will come as not the answer you are looking for, but there's nothing I and other NVDA developers can do now).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message---


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

hi joseph.
i have a question about uia.
can you please teach me how to disable uia in windows 7 if one day i decided to use windows 7 or use a computer of someone who uses windows 7?
i wish to disable uia in windows 7 and configure nvda to use msaa on windows 7 as nvda uses msaa on windows xp.
i really need this change and i am waiting for your help, God bless you!

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t be
enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs and
regressions with UIA on.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin
Prater
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA



I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as
reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use.
I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.


Devin Pratersent from Gmail.





On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@gmail.com
<mailto:kingettr@gmail.com> > wrote:

If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word, and
since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't this be
on by default after1901?







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


 

hi.
thanks for replying me.
how can i modify configuration file?
i wish to turn off uia in windows 7 if one day i can access a system
with windows 7 and just use msaa on windows 7 like windows xp!
i someday tried windows 7 and i was unsatisfied of uia and wish to
have msaa forever.

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
You can sort of do this (modifying the configuration file), though I can't
guarantee if that will resolve all sorts of problems you may encounter as a
result. For instance, although certain Windows Explorer features may become
more "usable", it may not solve some problems you might be having.
Also, on a personal note, I wouldn't really count on going back to Windows
XP days, or for that matter, use that as a justification for turning off an
accessibility API. As noted by at least two resident screen reader trainers
(Gene and Brian), for all practical purposes, it would be wise to move on
from XP if trying to perform certain productivity and web browsing tasks (XP
was a massive target of a ransomware in 2017). Thus, personally, the request
to consider turning off UIA in favor of MSAA just because of appearance of
stability under XP is hereby denied (sorry; I do know it will come as not
the answer you are looking for, but there's nothing I and other NVDA
developers can do now).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message---


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

hi joseph.
i have a question about uia.
can you please teach me how to disable uia in windows 7 if one day i decided
to use windows 7 or use a computer of someone who uses windows 7?
i wish to disable uia in windows 7 and configure nvda to use msaa on windows
7 as nvda uses msaa on windows xp.
i really need this change and i am waiting for your help, God bless you!

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t be
enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs and
regressions with UIA on.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin
Prater
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA



I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as
reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use.
I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.


Devin Pratersent from Gmail.





On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@gmail.com
<mailto:kingettr@gmail.com> > wrote:

If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word, and
since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't this be
on by default after1901?







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Gene
 

Before you pursue the matter further, what benefit do you think you will get?  And you don't know what benefits you will lose.  I haven't seen any disadvantages that amount to anything in Windows 7.  I get a little slower echoing of titles when I move up or down in the files list in Windows Explorer or the desktop.  My solution is to hold control as I move.  When I get to something I want to open, I release control, down arrow once, up arrow once to the item, then press enter.  Holding control while moving keeps files from being selected as you move to them.  That solves the slow echo problem. 
 
If you want to turn it off because you have heard this or that complaint, such complaints may not be general problems.  you shouldn't have preconceptions based on such poor, perhaps meaningless, in terms of generalization, evidence.  And, as I said, you don't know what benefits you may not get by turning it off.
 
Don't let your XP bias lead you toward jumping to conclucions about Windows 7.  It is a popular version of Windows among blind users. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

hi.
thanks for replying me.
how can i modify configuration file?
i wish to turn off uia in windows 7 if one day i can access a system
with windows 7 and just use msaa on windows 7 like windows xp!
i someday tried windows 7 and i was unsatisfied of uia and wish to
have msaa forever.

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
> Hi,
> You can sort of do this (modifying the configuration file), though I can't
> guarantee if that will resolve all sorts of problems you may encounter as a
> result. For instance, although certain Windows Explorer features may become
> more "usable", it may not solve some problems you might be having.
> Also, on a personal note, I wouldn't really count on going back to Windows
> XP days, or for that matter, use that as a justification for turning off an
> accessibility API. As noted by at least two resident screen reader trainers
> (Gene and Brian), for all practical purposes, it would be wise to move on
> from XP if trying to perform certain productivity and web browsing tasks (XP
> was a massive target of a ransomware in 2017). Thus, personally, the request
> to consider turning off UIA in favor of MSAA just because of appearance of
> stability under XP is hereby denied (sorry; I do know it will come as not
> the answer you are looking for, but there's nothing I and other NVDA
> developers can do now).
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
>
> -----Original Message---
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:34 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA
>
> hi joseph.
> i have a question about uia.
> can you please teach me how to disable uia in windows 7 if one day i decided
> to use windows 7 or use a computer of someone who uses windows 7?
> i wish to disable uia in windows 7 and configure nvda to use msaa on windows
> 7 as nvda uses msaa on windows xp.
> i really need this change and i am waiting for your help, God bless you!
>
> On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t be
>> enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs and
>> regressions with UIA on.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin
>> Prater
>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as
>> reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use.
>> I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.
>>
>>
>> Devin Pratersent from Gmail.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@...
>> <mailto:kingettr@...> > wrote:
>>
>> If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word, and
>> since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't this be
>> on by default after1901?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> By God,
> were I given all the seven heavens
> with all they contain
> in order that
> I may disobey God
> by depriving an ant
> from the husk of a grain of barley,
> I would not do it.
> imam ali
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



 

Hi,
Before I show you how to do it, I'm going to warn you that, once UIA is turned off, you may experience oddities. If you feel that NVDA is acting odd for some reason, and if it turns out turning off UIA is to blame, then you MUST turn UIA on and NEVER, EVER turn off UIA again (and if you do then ask for instructions on how to turn off UIA, then I will definitely say, "sorry, I gave you warnings, but perhaps your heart didn't see it coming").
To toggle UIA support:
1. Press Control+NVDA+Z to open Python Console.
2. Type the following as exactly as I show you:

import config
config.conf["UIA"]["enabled"] = False

3. Press Enter, then press Escape to close, then restart NVDA.
4. To enable UIA, repeat the above steps, but replace "False" with "True".

The above procedure may produce side effects, such as oddities, NVDA announcing extra things or not announcing things as it should and so on. The above procedure should NEVER be attempted on Windows 8 and later because NVDA relies on UIA for crucial tasks such as announcing Start search suggestions, reading toast notifications, and for Windows 10, making your lives easier when using various Windows 10 apps (including current iteration of Microsoft Edge). You are warned.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 9:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

hi.
thanks for replying me.
how can i modify configuration file?
i wish to turn off uia in windows 7 if one day i can access a system with windows 7 and just use msaa on windows 7 like windows xp!
i someday tried windows 7 and i was unsatisfied of uia and wish to have msaa forever.

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
You can sort of do this (modifying the configuration file), though I
can't guarantee if that will resolve all sorts of problems you may
encounter as a result. For instance, although certain Windows Explorer
features may become more "usable", it may not solve some problems you might be having.
Also, on a personal note, I wouldn't really count on going back to
Windows XP days, or for that matter, use that as a justification for
turning off an accessibility API. As noted by at least two resident
screen reader trainers (Gene and Brian), for all practical purposes,
it would be wise to move on from XP if trying to perform certain
productivity and web browsing tasks (XP was a massive target of a
ransomware in 2017). Thus, personally, the request to consider turning
off UIA in favor of MSAA just because of appearance of stability under
XP is hereby denied (sorry; I do know it will come as not the answer
you are looking for, but there's nothing I and other NVDA developers can do now).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message---


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

hi joseph.
i have a question about uia.
can you please teach me how to disable uia in windows 7 if one day i
decided to use windows 7 or use a computer of someone who uses windows 7?
i wish to disable uia in windows 7 and configure nvda to use msaa on
windows
7 as nvda uses msaa on windows xp.
i really need this change and i am waiting for your help, God bless you!

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t
be enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs
and regressions with UIA on.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin
Prater
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA



I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as
reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use.
I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.


Devin Pratersent from Gmail.





On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@gmail.com
<mailto:kingettr@gmail.com> > wrote:

If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word,
and since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't
this be on by default after1901?







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

To be honest as a 7 user, I use it in the default state and although there are a few times where its sluggish, one can work around it, and the extra access it does give is better than using a stripped back go faster just msaa really.

Its kind of what you can get running a portable version of nvda. The real problems will arrive if you go to 10, though as the old accessibility api is not used a lot there and hence portable nvda is less effective at a lot of stuff.


I'd go to 10 tomorrow if it was not a complete change of OS every six months.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA


hi.
thanks for replying me.
how can i modify configuration file?
i wish to turn off uia in windows 7 if one day i can access a system
with windows 7 and just use msaa on windows 7 like windows xp!
i someday tried windows 7 and i was unsatisfied of uia and wish to
have msaa forever.

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
You can sort of do this (modifying the configuration file), though I can't
guarantee if that will resolve all sorts of problems you may encounter as a
result. For instance, although certain Windows Explorer features may become
more "usable", it may not solve some problems you might be having.
Also, on a personal note, I wouldn't really count on going back to Windows
XP days, or for that matter, use that as a justification for turning off an
accessibility API. As noted by at least two resident screen reader trainers
(Gene and Brian), for all practical purposes, it would be wise to move on
from XP if trying to perform certain productivity and web browsing tasks (XP
was a massive target of a ransomware in 2017). Thus, personally, the request
to consider turning off UIA in favor of MSAA just because of appearance of
stability under XP is hereby denied (sorry; I do know it will come as not
the answer you are looking for, but there's nothing I and other NVDA
developers can do now).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message---


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

hi joseph.
i have a question about uia.
can you please teach me how to disable uia in windows 7 if one day i decided
to use windows 7 or use a computer of someone who uses windows 7?
i wish to disable uia in windows 7 and configure nvda to use msaa on windows
7 as nvda uses msaa on windows xp.
i really need this change and i am waiting for your help, God bless you!

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t be
enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs and
regressions with UIA on.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin
Prater
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA



I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as
reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use.
I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.


Devin Pratersent from Gmail.





On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@gmail.com
<mailto:kingettr@gmail.com> > wrote:

If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word, and
since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't this be
on by default after1901?







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

As an aside with this.
1. if one puts this into the console in a portable version, does this only apply to that version
2. Should one be able to see any difference in a portable version, given that it has no access to the resources being installed gives it?
3. Why when one types the whole thing in can one only see the first part, ie the first line up to the end of import config?

4. Given that one cannot see the rest, then does the command really work, or is there something wrong with the console.
IE I've tried this on a couple of snaps of recent versions and although only slight I'd suggest that it has a beneficial effect on two issues in windows 7. IE the opened folder announcement works reliable and
More reliable page reading in Firefox when it has to load in a big page.

These may well be just the way things go, but I thought I'd ask as if it does speed some things up, there might be some kind of speed up in disabling it for some actions via an app module of some kind if windows 7 is in use.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA


Hi,
Before I show you how to do it, I'm going to warn you that, once UIA is turned off, you may experience oddities. If you feel that NVDA is acting odd for some reason, and if it turns out turning off UIA is to blame, then you MUST turn UIA on and NEVER, EVER turn off UIA again (and if you do then ask for instructions on how to turn off UIA, then I will definitely say, "sorry, I gave you warnings, but perhaps your heart didn't see it coming").
To toggle UIA support:
1. Press Control+NVDA+Z to open Python Console.
2. Type the following as exactly as I show you:

import config
config.conf["UIA"]["enabled"] = False

3. Press Enter, then press Escape to close, then restart NVDA.
4. To enable UIA, repeat the above steps, but replace "False" with "True".

The above procedure may produce side effects, such as oddities, NVDA announcing extra things or not announcing things as it should and so on. The above procedure should NEVER be attempted on Windows 8 and later because NVDA relies on UIA for crucial tasks such as announcing Start search suggestions, reading toast notifications, and for Windows 10, making your lives easier when using various Windows 10 apps (including current iteration of Microsoft Edge). You are warned.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 9:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

hi.
thanks for replying me.
how can i modify configuration file?
i wish to turn off uia in windows 7 if one day i can access a system with windows 7 and just use msaa on windows 7 like windows xp!
i someday tried windows 7 and i was unsatisfied of uia and wish to have msaa forever.

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
You can sort of do this (modifying the configuration file), though I
can't guarantee if that will resolve all sorts of problems you may
encounter as a result. For instance, although certain Windows Explorer
features may become more "usable", it may not solve some problems you might be having.
Also, on a personal note, I wouldn't really count on going back to
Windows XP days, or for that matter, use that as a justification for
turning off an accessibility API. As noted by at least two resident
screen reader trainers (Gene and Brian), for all practical purposes,
it would be wise to move on from XP if trying to perform certain
productivity and web browsing tasks (XP was a massive target of a
ransomware in 2017). Thus, personally, the request to consider turning
off UIA in favor of MSAA just because of appearance of stability under
XP is hereby denied (sorry; I do know it will come as not the answer
you are looking for, but there's nothing I and other NVDA developers can do now).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message---


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

hi joseph.
i have a question about uia.
can you please teach me how to disable uia in windows 7 if one day i
decided to use windows 7 or use a computer of someone who uses windows 7?
i wish to disable uia in windows 7 and configure nvda to use msaa on
windows
7 as nvda uses msaa on windows xp.
i really need this change and i am waiting for your help, God bless you!

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t
be enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs
and regressions with UIA on.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin
Prater
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA



I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as
reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use.
I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.


Devin Pratersent from Gmail.





On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@gmail.com
<mailto:kingettr@gmail.com> > wrote:

If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word,
and since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't
this be on by default after1901?







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Christopher Bartlett
 

Does this same procedure work for enabling uia in Win 10?
Chris B


On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 5:05 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
As an aside with this.
 1. if one puts this into the console in a portable version, does this only
apply to that version
2. Should one be able to see any difference in a portable version, given
that it has no access to the  resources being installed gives it?
3. Why when one types the whole thing in can one only see the first part, ie
the first line up to the  end of import config?

4. Given that one cannot see the rest, then does the command really work, or
is there something wrong with the console.
 IE I've tried this on a couple of snaps of recent versions and although
only slight I'd suggest that it  has a beneficial effect on two issues in
windows 7. IE the opened folder announcement works reliable and
More reliable page reading in Firefox when it has to load in a big page.

These may well be just the way things go, but I thought I'd ask as if it
does speed some things up, there might be some kind of speed up in disabling
it for some actions via an app module of some kind if windows 7 is in use.
 Brian

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Please address personal E-mail to:-
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA


Hi,
Before I show you how to do it, I'm going to warn you that, once UIA is
turned off, you may experience oddities. If you feel that NVDA is acting odd
for some reason, and if it turns out turning off UIA is to blame, then you
MUST turn UIA on and NEVER, EVER turn off UIA again (and if you do then ask
for instructions on how to turn off UIA, then I will definitely say, "sorry,
I gave you warnings, but perhaps your heart didn't see it coming").
To toggle UIA support:
1. Press Control+NVDA+Z to open Python Console.
2. Type the following as exactly as I show you:

import config
config.conf["UIA"]["enabled"] = False

3. Press Enter, then press Escape to close, then restart NVDA.
4. To enable UIA, repeat the above steps, but replace "False" with "True".

The above procedure may produce side effects, such as oddities, NVDA
announcing extra things or not announcing things as it should and so on. The
above procedure should NEVER be attempted on Windows 8 and later because
NVDA relies on UIA for crucial tasks such as announcing Start search
suggestions, reading toast notifications, and for Windows 10, making your
lives easier when using various Windows 10 apps (including current iteration
of Microsoft Edge). You are warned.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 9:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

hi.
thanks for replying me.
how can i modify configuration file?
i wish to turn off uia in windows 7 if one day i can access a system with
windows 7 and just use msaa on windows 7 like windows xp!
i someday tried windows 7 and i was unsatisfied of uia and wish to have msaa
forever.

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
> Hi,
> You can sort of do this (modifying the configuration file), though I
> can't guarantee if that will resolve all sorts of problems you may
> encounter as a result. For instance, although certain Windows Explorer
> features may become more "usable", it may not solve some problems you
> might be having.
> Also, on a personal note, I wouldn't really count on going back to
> Windows XP days, or for that matter, use that as a justification for
> turning off an accessibility API. As noted by at least two resident
> screen reader trainers (Gene and Brian), for all practical purposes,
> it would be wise to move on from XP if trying to perform certain
> productivity and web browsing tasks (XP was a massive target of a
> ransomware in 2017). Thus, personally, the request to consider turning
> off UIA in favor of MSAA just because of appearance of stability under
> XP is hereby denied (sorry; I do know it will come as not the answer
> you are looking for, but there's nothing I and other NVDA developers can
> do now).
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
>
> -----Original Message---
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:34 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA
>
> hi joseph.
> i have a question about uia.
> can you please teach me how to disable uia in windows 7 if one day i
> decided to use windows 7 or use a computer of someone who uses windows 7?
> i wish to disable uia in windows 7 and configure nvda to use msaa on
> windows
> 7 as nvda uses msaa on windows xp.
> i really need this change and i am waiting for your help, God bless you!
>
> On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t
>> be enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs
>> and regressions with UIA on.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin
>> Prater
>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as
>> reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use.
>> I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.
>>
>>
>> Devin Pratersent from Gmail.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@...
>> <mailto:kingettr@...> > wrote:
>>
>> If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word,
>> and since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't
>> this be on by default after1901?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> By God,
> were I given all the seven heavens
> with all they contain
> in order that
> I may disobey God
> by depriving an ant
> from the husk of a grain of barley,
> I would not do it.
> imam ali
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali











--
Christopher Bartlett


Monte Single
 

O k.

I have not been following this thread.

What is u I a?

Thanks,

Monte

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: February-17-19 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

 

Does this same procedure work for enabling uia in Win 10?

Chris B

 

 

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 5:05 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

As an aside with this.
 1. if one puts this into the console in a portable version, does this only
apply to that version
2. Should one be able to see any difference in a portable version, given
that it has no access to the  resources being installed gives it?
3. Why when one types the whole thing in can one only see the first part, ie
the first line up to the  end of import config?

4. Given that one cannot see the rest, then does the command really work, or
is there something wrong with the console.
 IE I've tried this on a couple of snaps of recent versions and although
only slight I'd suggest that it  has a beneficial effect on two issues in
windows 7. IE the opened folder announcement works reliable and
More reliable page reading in Firefox when it has to load in a big page.

These may well be just the way things go, but I thought I'd ask as if it
does speed some things up, there might be some kind of speed up in disabling
it for some actions via an app module of some kind if windows 7 is in use.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA


Hi,
Before I show you how to do it, I'm going to warn you that, once UIA is
turned off, you may experience oddities. If you feel that NVDA is acting odd
for some reason, and if it turns out turning off UIA is to blame, then you
MUST turn UIA on and NEVER, EVER turn off UIA again (and if you do then ask
for instructions on how to turn off UIA, then I will definitely say, "sorry,
I gave you warnings, but perhaps your heart didn't see it coming").
To toggle UIA support:
1. Press Control+NVDA+Z to open Python Console.
2. Type the following as exactly as I show you:

import config
config.conf["UIA"]["enabled"] = False

3. Press Enter, then press Escape to close, then restart NVDA.
4. To enable UIA, repeat the above steps, but replace "False" with "True".

The above procedure may produce side effects, such as oddities, NVDA
announcing extra things or not announcing things as it should and so on. The
above procedure should NEVER be attempted on Windows 8 and later because
NVDA relies on UIA for crucial tasks such as announcing Start search
suggestions, reading toast notifications, and for Windows 10, making your
lives easier when using various Windows 10 apps (including current iteration
of Microsoft Edge). You are warned.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 9:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

hi.
thanks for replying me.
how can i modify configuration file?
i wish to turn off uia in windows 7 if one day i can access a system with
windows 7 and just use msaa on windows 7 like windows xp!
i someday tried windows 7 and i was unsatisfied of uia and wish to have msaa
forever.

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
> Hi,
> You can sort of do this (modifying the configuration file), though I
> can't guarantee if that will resolve all sorts of problems you may
> encounter as a result. For instance, although certain Windows Explorer
> features may become more "usable", it may not solve some problems you
> might be having.
> Also, on a personal note, I wouldn't really count on going back to
> Windows XP days, or for that matter, use that as a justification for
> turning off an accessibility API. As noted by at least two resident
> screen reader trainers (Gene and Brian), for all practical purposes,
> it would be wise to move on from XP if trying to perform certain
> productivity and web browsing tasks (XP was a massive target of a
> ransomware in 2017). Thus, personally, the request to consider turning
> off UIA in favor of MSAA just because of appearance of stability under
> XP is hereby denied (sorry; I do know it will come as not the answer
> you are looking for, but there's nothing I and other NVDA developers can
> do now).
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
>
> -----Original Message---
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:34 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA
>
> hi joseph.
> i have a question about uia.
> can you please teach me how to disable uia in windows 7 if one day i
> decided to use windows 7 or use a computer of someone who uses windows 7?
> i wish to disable uia in windows 7 and configure nvda to use msaa on
> windows
> 7 as nvda uses msaa on windows xp.
> i really need this change and i am waiting for your help, God bless you!
>
> On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t
>> be enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs
>> and regressions with UIA on.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin
>> Prater
>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as
>> reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use.
>> I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.
>>
>>
>> Devin Pratersent from Gmail.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@...
>> <mailto:kingettr@...> > wrote:
>>
>> If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word,
>> and since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't
>> this be on by default after1901?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> By God,
> were I given all the seven heavens
> with all they contain
> in order that
> I may disobey God
> by depriving an ant
> from the husk of a grain of barley,
> I would not do it.
> imam ali
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali









 

--

Christopher Bartlett


 

Hi,

UIA support is already in use with Windows 10 unless it is somehow disabled from NVDA’s side.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 7:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

 

Does this same procedure work for enabling uia in Win 10?

Chris B

 

 

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 5:05 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

As an aside with this.
 1. if one puts this into the console in a portable version, does this only
apply to that version
2. Should one be able to see any difference in a portable version, given
that it has no access to the  resources being installed gives it?
3. Why when one types the whole thing in can one only see the first part, ie
the first line up to the  end of import config?

4. Given that one cannot see the rest, then does the command really work, or
is there something wrong with the console.
 IE I've tried this on a couple of snaps of recent versions and although
only slight I'd suggest that it  has a beneficial effect on two issues in
windows 7. IE the opened folder announcement works reliable and
More reliable page reading in Firefox when it has to load in a big page.

These may well be just the way things go, but I thought I'd ask as if it
does speed some things up, there might be some kind of speed up in disabling
it for some actions via an app module of some kind if windows 7 is in use.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA


Hi,
Before I show you how to do it, I'm going to warn you that, once UIA is
turned off, you may experience oddities. If you feel that NVDA is acting odd
for some reason, and if it turns out turning off UIA is to blame, then you
MUST turn UIA on and NEVER, EVER turn off UIA again (and if you do then ask
for instructions on how to turn off UIA, then I will definitely say, "sorry,
I gave you warnings, but perhaps your heart didn't see it coming").
To toggle UIA support:
1. Press Control+NVDA+Z to open Python Console.
2. Type the following as exactly as I show you:

import config
config.conf["UIA"]["enabled"] = False

3. Press Enter, then press Escape to close, then restart NVDA.
4. To enable UIA, repeat the above steps, but replace "False" with "True".

The above procedure may produce side effects, such as oddities, NVDA
announcing extra things or not announcing things as it should and so on. The
above procedure should NEVER be attempted on Windows 8 and later because
NVDA relies on UIA for crucial tasks such as announcing Start search
suggestions, reading toast notifications, and for Windows 10, making your
lives easier when using various Windows 10 apps (including current iteration
of Microsoft Edge). You are warned.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 9:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

hi.
thanks for replying me.
how can i modify configuration file?
i wish to turn off uia in windows 7 if one day i can access a system with
windows 7 and just use msaa on windows 7 like windows xp!
i someday tried windows 7 and i was unsatisfied of uia and wish to have msaa
forever.

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
> Hi,
> You can sort of do this (modifying the configuration file), though I
> can't guarantee if that will resolve all sorts of problems you may
> encounter as a result. For instance, although certain Windows Explorer
> features may become more "usable", it may not solve some problems you
> might be having.
> Also, on a personal note, I wouldn't really count on going back to
> Windows XP days, or for that matter, use that as a justification for
> turning off an accessibility API. As noted by at least two resident
> screen reader trainers (Gene and Brian), for all practical purposes,
> it would be wise to move on from XP if trying to perform certain
> productivity and web browsing tasks (XP was a massive target of a
> ransomware in 2017). Thus, personally, the request to consider turning
> off UIA in favor of MSAA just because of appearance of stability under
> XP is hereby denied (sorry; I do know it will come as not the answer
> you are looking for, but there's nothing I and other NVDA developers can
> do now).
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
>
> -----Original Message---
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:34 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA
>
> hi joseph.
> i have a question about uia.
> can you please teach me how to disable uia in windows 7 if one day i
> decided to use windows 7 or use a computer of someone who uses windows 7?
> i wish to disable uia in windows 7 and configure nvda to use msaa on
> windows
> 7 as nvda uses msaa on windows xp.
> i really need this change and i am waiting for your help, God bless you!
>
> On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t
>> be enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs
>> and regressions with UIA on.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin
>> Prater
>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as
>> reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use.
>> I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.
>>
>>
>> Devin Pratersent from Gmail.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@...
>> <mailto:kingettr@...> > wrote:
>>
>> If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word,
>> and since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't
>> this be on by default after1901?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> By God,
> were I given all the seven heavens
> with all they contain
> in order that
> I may disobey God
> by depriving an ant
> from the husk of a grain of barley,
> I would not do it.
> imam ali
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali









 

--

Christopher Bartlett


 

HI,

UIA: UI Automation, an accessibility API (libraries, standards, documentation) used to let assistive technologies communicate with other programs.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 7:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

 

O k.

I have not been following this thread.

What is u I a?

Thanks,

Monte

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett
Sent: February-17-19 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

 

Does this same procedure work for enabling uia in Win 10?

Chris B

 

 

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 5:05 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

As an aside with this.
 1. if one puts this into the console in a portable version, does this only
apply to that version
2. Should one be able to see any difference in a portable version, given
that it has no access to the  resources being installed gives it?
3. Why when one types the whole thing in can one only see the first part, ie
the first line up to the  end of import config?

4. Given that one cannot see the rest, then does the command really work, or
is there something wrong with the console.
 IE I've tried this on a couple of snaps of recent versions and although
only slight I'd suggest that it  has a beneficial effect on two issues in
windows 7. IE the opened folder announcement works reliable and
More reliable page reading in Firefox when it has to load in a big page.

These may well be just the way things go, but I thought I'd ask as if it
does speed some things up, there might be some kind of speed up in disabling
it for some actions via an app module of some kind if windows 7 is in use.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA


Hi,
Before I show you how to do it, I'm going to warn you that, once UIA is
turned off, you may experience oddities. If you feel that NVDA is acting odd
for some reason, and if it turns out turning off UIA is to blame, then you
MUST turn UIA on and NEVER, EVER turn off UIA again (and if you do then ask
for instructions on how to turn off UIA, then I will definitely say, "sorry,
I gave you warnings, but perhaps your heart didn't see it coming").
To toggle UIA support:
1. Press Control+NVDA+Z to open Python Console.
2. Type the following as exactly as I show you:

import config
config.conf["UIA"]["enabled"] = False

3. Press Enter, then press Escape to close, then restart NVDA.
4. To enable UIA, repeat the above steps, but replace "False" with "True".

The above procedure may produce side effects, such as oddities, NVDA
announcing extra things or not announcing things as it should and so on. The
above procedure should NEVER be attempted on Windows 8 and later because
NVDA relies on UIA for crucial tasks such as announcing Start search
suggestions, reading toast notifications, and for Windows 10, making your
lives easier when using various Windows 10 apps (including current iteration
of Microsoft Edge). You are warned.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 9:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

hi.
thanks for replying me.
how can i modify configuration file?
i wish to turn off uia in windows 7 if one day i can access a system with
windows 7 and just use msaa on windows 7 like windows xp!
i someday tried windows 7 and i was unsatisfied of uia and wish to have msaa
forever.

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
> Hi,
> You can sort of do this (modifying the configuration file), though I
> can't guarantee if that will resolve all sorts of problems you may
> encounter as a result. For instance, although certain Windows Explorer
> features may become more "usable", it may not solve some problems you
> might be having.
> Also, on a personal note, I wouldn't really count on going back to
> Windows XP days, or for that matter, use that as a justification for
> turning off an accessibility API. As noted by at least two resident
> screen reader trainers (Gene and Brian), for all practical purposes,
> it would be wise to move on from XP if trying to perform certain
> productivity and web browsing tasks (XP was a massive target of a
> ransomware in 2017). Thus, personally, the request to consider turning
> off UIA in favor of MSAA just because of appearance of stability under
> XP is hereby denied (sorry; I do know it will come as not the answer
> you are looking for, but there's nothing I and other NVDA developers can
> do now).
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
>
> -----Original Message---
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:34 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA
>
> hi joseph.
> i have a question about uia.
> can you please teach me how to disable uia in windows 7 if one day i
> decided to use windows 7 or use a computer of someone who uses windows 7?
> i wish to disable uia in windows 7 and configure nvda to use msaa on
> windows
> 7 as nvda uses msaa on windows xp.
> i really need this change and i am waiting for your help, God bless you!
>
> On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t
>> be enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs
>> and regressions with UIA on.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin
>> Prater
>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as
>> reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use.
>> I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.
>>
>>
>> Devin Pratersent from Gmail.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@...
>> <mailto:kingettr@...> > wrote:
>>
>> If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word,
>> and since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't
>> this be on by default after1901?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> By God,
> were I given all the seven heavens
> with all they contain
> in order that
> I may disobey God
> by depriving an ant
> from the husk of a grain of barley,
> I would not do it.
> imam ali
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali








 

--

Christopher Bartlett


 

hi gene.
yes, one of the problems is slowness of nvda in file explorer and i
wish that when i navigate between items, i recieve feedback without
any pause!
but i heard from someone that the problems of newer windows versions
are because of uia and i decided to turn it off completely to use
windows 7 like windows xp without any slowness!
but slowness was not only problem for me.
when i wanted to open one item in control panel, i observed openning
undesired item.
for example: i went to the control panel to set the clock or calendar
of my system.
i pressed d and nvda told: date and time.
when i pressed enter to open it, nvda told action center security
instead of date and times and its options.
i dont have any of these issues on xp and got this result that msaa is
the best version of accessibility and made me hating uia.

On 2/16/19, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Before you pursue the matter further, what benefit do you think you will
get? And you don't know what benefits you will lose. I haven't seen any
disadvantages that amount to anything in Windows 7. I get a little slower
echoing of titles when I move up or down in the files list in Windows
Explorer or the desktop. My solution is to hold control as I move. When I
get to something I want to open, I release control, down arrow once, up
arrow once to the item, then press enter. Holding control while moving
keeps files from being selected as you move to them. That solves the slow
echo problem.

If you want to turn it off because you have heard this or that complaint,
such complaints may not be general problems. you shouldn't have
preconceptions based on such poor, perhaps meaningless, in terms of
generalization, evidence. And, as I said, you don't know what benefits you
may not get by turning it off.

Don't let your XP bias lead you toward jumping to conclucions about Windows
7. It is a popular version of Windows among blind users.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 11:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA


hi.
thanks for replying me.
how can i modify configuration file?
i wish to turn off uia in windows 7 if one day i can access a system
with windows 7 and just use msaa on windows 7 like windows xp!
i someday tried windows 7 and i was unsatisfied of uia and wish to
have msaa forever.

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
You can sort of do this (modifying the configuration file), though I
can't
guarantee if that will resolve all sorts of problems you may encounter as
a
result. For instance, although certain Windows Explorer features may
become
more "usable", it may not solve some problems you might be having.
Also, on a personal note, I wouldn't really count on going back to
Windows
XP days, or for that matter, use that as a justification for turning off
an
accessibility API. As noted by at least two resident screen reader
trainers
(Gene and Brian), for all practical purposes, it would be wise to move on
from XP if trying to perform certain productivity and web browsing tasks
(XP
was a massive target of a ransomware in 2017). Thus, personally, the
request
to consider turning off UIA in favor of MSAA just because of appearance
of
stability under XP is hereby denied (sorry; I do know it will come as not
the answer you are looking for, but there's nothing I and other NVDA
developers can do now).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message---


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

hi joseph.
i have a question about uia.
can you please teach me how to disable uia in windows 7 if one day i
decided
to use windows 7 or use a computer of someone who uses windows 7?
i wish to disable uia in windows 7 and configure nvda to use msaa on
windows
7 as nvda uses msaa on windows xp.
i really need this change and i am waiting for your help, God bless you!

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t be
enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs and
regressions with UIA on.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin
Prater
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA



I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as
reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use.
I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.


Devin Pratersent from Gmail.





On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@gmail.com
<mailto:kingettr@gmail.com> > wrote:

If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word, and
since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't this be
on by default after1901?







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Gene
 

Your second problem is not a general probem.  you are approaching Windows 7 with a bias against it that it can't be as good as XP, probably significantly inferior so you assume that every problem is the fault of Windows 7.  It could be a problem with the specific system being used.  I explained how to stop the slower echo when you move through a list of files.  Windows 7 wouldn't be as popular as it is among blind users if it had a lot of problems.  it is a mistake to disable a feature to avoid certain problems when the results will be unknown other problems, without properly evaluating Windows 7 and asking here about problems you encounter.  If you really evaluate Windows 7 and ask about problems here, you may still want to turn off UIA, but you have no basis at this time to have an informed opinion.  Did you try opening time and date more than once?  One malfunction, if that is what it was, doesn't tell us anything.  Odd behaviors happen from time to time.  If it happened in XP, you wouldn't conclude anything because you aren't biased against it. 
 
\Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

hi gene.
yes, one of the problems is slowness of nvda in file explorer and i
wish that when i navigate between items, i recieve feedback without
any pause!
but i heard from someone that the problems of newer windows versions
are because of uia and i decided to turn it off completely to use
windows 7 like windows xp without any slowness!
but slowness was not only problem for me.
when i wanted to open one item in control panel, i observed openning
undesired item.
for example: i went to the control panel to set the clock or calendar
of my system.
i pressed d and nvda told: date and time.
when i pressed enter to open it, nvda told action center security
instead of date and times and its options.
i dont have any of these issues on xp and got this result that msaa is
the best version of accessibility and made me hating uia.

On 2/16/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Before you pursue the matter further, what benefit do you think you will
> get?  And you don't know what benefits you will lose.  I haven't seen any
> disadvantages that amount to anything in Windows 7.  I get a little slower
> echoing of titles when I move up or down in the files list in Windows
> Explorer or the desktop.  My solution is to hold control as I move.  When I
> get to something I want to open, I release control, down arrow once, up
> arrow once to the item, then press enter.  Holding control while moving
> keeps files from being selected as you move to them.  That solves the slow
> echo problem.
>
> If you want to turn it off because you have heard this or that complaint,
> such complaints may not be general problems.  you shouldn't have
> preconceptions based on such poor, perhaps meaningless, in terms of
> generalization, evidence.  And, as I said, you don't know what benefits you
> may not get by turning it off.
>
> Don't let your XP bias lead you toward jumping to conclucions about Windows
> 7.  It is a popular version of Windows among blind users.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: zahra
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 11:54 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA
>
>
> hi.
> thanks for replying me.
> how can i modify configuration file?
> i wish to turn off uia in windows 7 if one day i can access a system
> with windows 7 and just use msaa on windows 7 like windows xp!
> i someday tried windows 7 and i was unsatisfied of uia and wish to
> have msaa forever.
>
> On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> You can sort of do this (modifying the configuration file), though I
>> can't
>> guarantee if that will resolve all sorts of problems you may encounter as
>> a
>> result. For instance, although certain Windows Explorer features may
>> become
>> more "usable", it may not solve some problems you might be having.
>> Also, on a personal note, I wouldn't really count on going back to
>> Windows
>> XP days, or for that matter, use that as a justification for turning off
>> an
>> accessibility API. As noted by at least two resident screen reader
>> trainers
>> (Gene and Brian), for all practical purposes, it would be wise to move on
>> from XP if trying to perform certain productivity and web browsing tasks
>> (XP
>> was a massive target of a ransomware in 2017). Thus, personally, the
>> request
>> to consider turning off UIA in favor of MSAA just because of appearance
>> of
>> stability under XP is hereby denied (sorry; I do know it will come as not
>> the answer you are looking for, but there's nothing I and other NVDA
>> developers can do now).
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message---
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:34 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA
>>
>> hi joseph.
>> i have a question about uia.
>> can you please teach me how to disable uia in windows 7 if one day i
>> decided
>> to use windows 7 or use a computer of someone who uses windows 7?
>> i wish to disable uia in windows 7 and configure nvda to use msaa on
>> windows
>> 7 as nvda uses msaa on windows xp.
>> i really need this change and i am waiting for your help, God bless you!
>>
>> On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t be
>>> enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs and
>>> regressions with UIA on.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin
>>> Prater
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as
>>> reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use.
>>> I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.
>>>
>>>
>>> Devin Pratersent from Gmail.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@...
>>> <mailto:kingettr@...> > wrote:
>>>
>>> If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word, and
>>> since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't this be
>>> on by default after1901?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> By God,
>> were I given all the seven heavens
>> with all they contain
>> in order that
>> I may disobey God
>> by depriving an ant
>> from the husk of a grain of barley,
>> I would not do it.
>> imam ali
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> By God,
> were I given all the seven heavens
> with all they contain
> in order that
> I may disobey God
> by depriving an ant
> from the husk of a grain of barley,
> I would not do it.
> imam ali
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



 

no, i am sure that i never experienced such problems on xp.
even someone with windows ten, asked me that i want to open something
and when i opened my desire, i observed openning another item.
for example: when openning skype, she observes that firefox opens for her!
if i turn off uia, can i use windows 7 without any slowness or
openning undesired item?
yes, i tested openning items of control panel, when i use first letter
of my desired item, sometimes i can easily open anything that i wish
and sometimes i recieved undesired behaviour like the time which i
want to open date and time which i explaned.

On 2/17/19, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Your second problem is not a general probem. you are approaching Windows 7
with a bias against it that it can't be as good as XP, probably
significantly inferior so you assume that every problem is the fault of
Windows 7. It could be a problem with the specific system being used. I
explained how to stop the slower echo when you move through a list of files.
Windows 7 wouldn't be as popular as it is among blind users if it had a lot
of problems. it is a mistake to disable a feature to avoid certain problems
when the results will be unknown other problems, without properly evaluating
Windows 7 and asking here about problems you encounter. If you really
evaluate Windows 7 and ask about problems here, you may still want to turn
off UIA, but you have no basis at this time to have an informed opinion.
Did you try opening time and date more than once? One malfunction, if that
is what it was, doesn't tell us anything. Odd behaviors happen from time to
time. If it happened in XP, you wouldn't conclude anything because you
aren't biased against it.

\Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 12:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA


hi gene.
yes, one of the problems is slowness of nvda in file explorer and i
wish that when i navigate between items, i recieve feedback without
any pause!
but i heard from someone that the problems of newer windows versions
are because of uia and i decided to turn it off completely to use
windows 7 like windows xp without any slowness!
but slowness was not only problem for me.
when i wanted to open one item in control panel, i observed openning
undesired item.
for example: i went to the control panel to set the clock or calendar
of my system.
i pressed d and nvda told: date and time.
when i pressed enter to open it, nvda told action center security
instead of date and times and its options.
i dont have any of these issues on xp and got this result that msaa is
the best version of accessibility and made me hating uia.

On 2/16/19, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Before you pursue the matter further, what benefit do you think you will
get? And you don't know what benefits you will lose. I haven't seen any
disadvantages that amount to anything in Windows 7. I get a little
slower
echoing of titles when I move up or down in the files list in Windows
Explorer or the desktop. My solution is to hold control as I move. When
I
get to something I want to open, I release control, down arrow once, up
arrow once to the item, then press enter. Holding control while moving
keeps files from being selected as you move to them. That solves the
slow
echo problem.

If you want to turn it off because you have heard this or that complaint,
such complaints may not be general problems. you shouldn't have
preconceptions based on such poor, perhaps meaningless, in terms of
generalization, evidence. And, as I said, you don't know what benefits
you
may not get by turning it off.

Don't let your XP bias lead you toward jumping to conclucions about
Windows
7. It is a popular version of Windows among blind users.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 11:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA


hi.
thanks for replying me.
how can i modify configuration file?
i wish to turn off uia in windows 7 if one day i can access a system
with windows 7 and just use msaa on windows 7 like windows xp!
i someday tried windows 7 and i was unsatisfied of uia and wish to
have msaa forever.

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
You can sort of do this (modifying the configuration file), though I
can't
guarantee if that will resolve all sorts of problems you may encounter
as
a
result. For instance, although certain Windows Explorer features may
become
more "usable", it may not solve some problems you might be having.
Also, on a personal note, I wouldn't really count on going back to
Windows
XP days, or for that matter, use that as a justification for turning off
an
accessibility API. As noted by at least two resident screen reader
trainers
(Gene and Brian), for all practical purposes, it would be wise to move
on
from XP if trying to perform certain productivity and web browsing tasks
(XP
was a massive target of a ransomware in 2017). Thus, personally, the
request
to consider turning off UIA in favor of MSAA just because of appearance
of
stability under XP is hereby denied (sorry; I do know it will come as
not
the answer you are looking for, but there's nothing I and other NVDA
developers can do now).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message---


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

hi joseph.
i have a question about uia.
can you please teach me how to disable uia in windows 7 if one day i
decided
to use windows 7 or use a computer of someone who uses windows 7?
i wish to disable uia in windows 7 and configure nvda to use msaa on
windows
7 as nvda uses msaa on windows xp.
i really need this change and i am waiting for your help, God bless you!

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t be
enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs and
regressions with UIA on.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin
Prater
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA



I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as
reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use.
I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.


Devin Pratersent from Gmail.





On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@gmail.com
<mailto:kingettr@gmail.com> > wrote:

If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word, and
since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't this be
on by default after1901?







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali