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Golden Cursor question


Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Hi,

You mean an extension of NVDA find command to operate sort of everywhere? Not that I know of at the moment, but might be something that can be useful for version 4.0 (to be developed by someone, not me, as I’m the current guardian of that add-on and intend to pass it onto someone once Python 3 transition takes place).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 11:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Gene
 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM
Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Hi,

The basics of it is already present in NVDA (browse mode version); it is now a matter of extending that to other places, hopefully with an add-on first, followed by an offer to move it into NVDA itself once it proves popular.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 12:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Gene
 

The NVDA find command is currently used only in Browse Mode.  JAWS has a find command that works when in the JAWS cursor so you can search the screen for text on that screen when using the JAWS cursor. 
 
I don't know if NVDA would only have a screen review find command or if it could be implemented in object presentation as well.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

Hi,

You mean an extension of NVDA find command to operate sort of everywhere? Not that I know of at the moment, but might be something that can be useful for version 4.0 (to be developed by someone, not me, as I’m the current guardian of that add-on and intend to pass it onto someone once Python 3 transition takes place).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 11:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Hi,

It can be done – it is matter of looking for specific text inside the object hierarchy, similar in concept to how Virtual Review add-on functions (gathers text while navigating controls on screen; this reminds me: I need to write an add-on internals about that add-on very soon). Effectively, it is sort of similar to how browse mode’s text representation really works (you go through all sorts of web elements or controls inside a PDF/Word file, then gather it into a format that looks like a single document; find command in browse mode just looks for text inside this “document”).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The NVDA find command is currently used only in Browse Mode.  JAWS has a find command that works when in the JAWS cursor so you can search the screen for text on that screen when using the JAWS cursor. 

 

I don't know if NVDA would only have a screen review find command or if it could be implemented in object presentation as well.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 2:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

You mean an extension of NVDA find command to operate sort of everywhere? Not that I know of at the moment, but might be something that can be useful for version 4.0 (to be developed by someone, not me, as I’m the current guardian of that add-on and intend to pass it onto someone once Python 3 transition takes place).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 11:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 02:58 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.
Well, it can come in really, really handy for being able to activate unlabeled controls, repeatedly, in programs one might not otherwise be able to access.

I've helped someone who really needed to be able to use a program that was, for all intents and purpose, completely inaccessible get through it for their intended purposes just because they could do the equivalent of "point and click" on the controls once we'd worked together to locate them on a fully maximized window for that program.  Admittedly, my sight was necessary for the setup phase, but it made it possible to use this antique thing they had to be able to use as they only needed to be able to activate two controls (and I don't recall the details at this point).

There are different kinds of accessibility, and while this certainly isn't complete in any meaningful sense it certainly is functional within the context.  I've recommended programs that are not 100% accessible but where the function of focus is because it's only that function I intend the client to use it for, and the program is particularly good at it.
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David Moore
 

Amen!

You sure cannot do that much with the mouse with JAWS.

I said that by the way about the Golden Cursor doing much more than the mouse feature in JAWS, and it is just a fact if one would read the documentation for Golden Cursor!

David Moore

 

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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 3:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 02:58 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

Well, it can come in really, really handy for being able to activate unlabeled controls, repeatedly, in programs one might not otherwise be able to access.

I've helped someone who really needed to be able to use a program that was, for all intents and purpose, completely inaccessible get through it for their intended purposes just because they could do the equivalent of "point and click" on the controls once we'd worked together to locate them on a fully maximized window for that program.  Admittedly, my sight was necessary for the setup phase, but it made it possible to use this antique thing they had to be able to use as they only needed to be able to activate two controls (and I don't recall the details at this point).

There are different kinds of accessibility, and while this certainly isn't complete in any meaningful sense it certainly is functional within the context.  I've recommended programs that are not 100% accessible but where the function of focus is because it's only that function I intend the client to use it for, and the program is particularly good at it.
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In a way this feeds into the discussion about the writing of manuals and explaining concepts to the average user. Its no good having a feature if you cannot make it understandable.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question


Amen!
You sure cannot do that much with the mouse with JAWS.
I said that by the way about the Golden Cursor doing much more than the mouse feature in JAWS, and it is just a fact if one would read the documentation for Golden Cursor!
David Moore

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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 3:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 02:58 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.
Well, it can come in really, really handy for being able to activate unlabeled controls, repeatedly, in programs one might not otherwise be able to access.

I've helped someone who really needed to be able to use a program that was, for all intents and purpose, completely inaccessible get through it for their intended purposes just because they could do the equivalent of "point and click" on the controls once we'd worked together to locate them on a fully maximized window for that program. Admittedly, my sight was necessary for the setup phase, but it made it possible to use this antique thing they had to be able to use as they only needed to be able to activate two controls (and I don't recall the details at this point).

There are different kinds of accessibility, and while this certainly isn't complete in any meaningful sense it certainly is functional within the context. I've recommended programs that are not 100% accessible but where the function of focus is because it's only that function I intend the client to use it for, and the program is particularly good at it.
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Steve Nutt
 

Hi Joseph,

 

Well I only asked out of interest.  Because I use quite a bit of custom software that doesn’t lend itself to keyboard interface at all, this would be a useful addition.  The JAWS cursor, as I say, allows you to plunk the mouse down wherever you find a string of text.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

You mean an extension of NVDA find command to operate sort of everywhere? Not that I know of at the moment, but might be something that can be useful for version 4.0 (to be developed by someone, not me, as I’m the current guardian of that add-on and intend to pass it onto someone once Python 3 transition takes place).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 11:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Steve Nutt
 

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

 

I don’t really understand what you’re saying here in the context of JAWS.  Are you saying that JAWS can’t do this?  I’d beg to differ, although you’d have to get the Hotspot Clicker script that The Snowman has written, then you could do this just as easily.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 02:58 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

Well, it can come in really, really handy for being able to activate unlabeled controls, repeatedly, in programs one might not otherwise be able to access.

I've helped someone who really needed to be able to use a program that was, for all intents and purpose, completely inaccessible get through it for their intended purposes just because they could do the equivalent of "point and click" on the controls once we'd worked together to locate them on a fully maximized window for that program.  Admittedly, my sight was necessary for the setup phase, but it made it possible to use this antique thing they had to be able to use as they only needed to be able to activate two controls (and I don't recall the details at this point).

There are different kinds of accessibility, and while this certainly isn't complete in any meaningful sense it certainly is functional within the context.  I've recommended programs that are not 100% accessible but where the function of focus is because it's only that function I intend the client to use it for, and the program is particularly good at it.
--

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Steve Nutt
 

Hi David,

 

I read the documentation entirely, and I don’t agree with you.

 

With JAWS natively yes, but if you add on Hotspot clicker, then include JAWS mouse search, then JAWS currently does more.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: 18 February 2019 01:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Amen!

You sure cannot do that much with the mouse with JAWS.

I said that by the way about the Golden Cursor doing much more than the mouse feature in JAWS, and it is just a fact if one would read the documentation for Golden Cursor!

David Moore

 

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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 3:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 02:58 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

Well, it can come in really, really handy for being able to activate unlabeled controls, repeatedly, in programs one might not otherwise be able to access.

I've helped someone who really needed to be able to use a program that was, for all intents and purpose, completely inaccessible get through it for their intended purposes just because they could do the equivalent of "point and click" on the controls once we'd worked together to locate them on a fully maximized window for that program.  Admittedly, my sight was necessary for the setup phase, but it made it possible to use this antique thing they had to be able to use as they only needed to be able to activate two controls (and I don't recall the details at this point).

There are different kinds of accessibility, and while this certainly isn't complete in any meaningful sense it certainly is functional within the context.  I've recommended programs that are not 100% accessible but where the function of focus is because it's only that function I intend the client to use it for, and the program is particularly good at it.
--

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 


Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

Not really, my questions were genuine. I understand how NVDA works, but I don't think Golden Cursor is as good as using the JAWS cursor, especially if you add on Hotspot Clicker.

All the best

Steve

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

In a way this feeds into the discussion about the writing of manuals and explaining concepts to the average user. Its no good having a feature if you cannot make it understandable.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question


Amen!
You sure cannot do that much with the mouse with JAWS.
I said that by the way about the Golden Cursor doing much more than the
mouse feature in JAWS, and it is just a fact if one would read the
documentation for Golden Cursor!
David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 3:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 02:58 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really
see that.
Well, it can come in really, really handy for being able to activate
unlabeled controls, repeatedly, in programs one might not otherwise be able
to access.

I've helped someone who really needed to be able to use a program that was,
for all intents and purpose, completely inaccessible get through it for
their intended purposes just because they could do the equivalent of "point
and click" on the controls once we'd worked together to locate them on a
fully maximized window for that program. Admittedly, my sight was necessary
for the setup phase, but it made it possible to use this antique thing they
had to be able to use as they only needed to be able to activate two
controls (and I don't recall the details at this point).

There are different kinds of accessibility, and while this certainly isn't
complete in any meaningful sense it certainly is functional within the
context. I've recommended programs that are not 100% accessible but where
the function of focus is because it's only that function I intend the client
to use it for, and the program is particularly good at it.
--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
illusion is deep.
~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Gene
 

You can move the mouse with the keyboard now.  You can't move it as precisely.  I don't have an opinion about whether the Golden Cursor features should be incorporated into the source code.  But your implication that the mouse can't be moved without the Golden Cursor is not correct.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Steve Nutt
 

Hello Jean,

 

So what are the mouse movement keys via the keyboard then?  I’m sorry I can’t find them.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

You can move the mouse with the keyboard now.  You can't move it as precisely.  I don't have an opinion about whether the Golden Cursor features should be incorporated into the source code.  But your implication that the mouse can't be moved without the Golden Cursor is not correct.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:27 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Key commands

• Control+NVDA+L: view saved mouse positions for an application if any.

• Shift+NVDA+l: save a tag or a label for the current mouse position in the currently focused application.

• Windows+NVDA+C: change mouse movement unit.

• Windows+NVDA+R: toggle mouse restriction.

• Windows+NVDA+S: toggle reporting of mouse position in pixels.

• Windows+NVDA+J: move mouse to a specific x and y position.

• Windows+NVDA+P: report mouse position.

• Windows+NVDA+M: sswitch mouse arrows on or off.

• Windows+NVDA+arrow keys (or just arrow keys if mouse arrows is on): move mouse.

Note: these gestures can be reassigned via NVDA's Input Gestures dialog under Golden Cursor category.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Montag, 18. Februar 2019 11:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hello Jean,

 

So what are the mouse movement keys via the keyboard then?  I’m sorry I can’t find them.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

You can move the mouse with the keyboard now.  You can't move it as precisely.  I don't have an opinion about whether the Golden Cursor features should be incorporated into the source code.  But your implication that the mouse can't be moved without the Golden Cursor is not correct.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:27 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Hi Ralph and others,

I don’t think that’s the command set Steve is looking for. Rather, I think what he is after is mouse routing commands that comes with NVDA as follows:

  • NVDA+Numpad divide (NVDA+Shift+M in laptop layout): route mouse to where you’re focused on or control you’re reviewing (navigator object)
  • NVDA+Numpad multiply (NVDA+Shift+N in laptop layout): move navigator object to where the mouse is.

 

There is no built-in command set to move mouse around with a keyboard (apart from Golden Cursor), but mouse keys might help (using Numpad to move the mouse around, a built-in Ease of Access feature in Windows).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 6:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Key commands

• Control+NVDA+L: view saved mouse positions for an application if any.

• Shift+NVDA+l: save a tag or a label for the current mouse position in the currently focused application.

• Windows+NVDA+C: change mouse movement unit.

• Windows+NVDA+R: toggle mouse restriction.

• Windows+NVDA+S: toggle reporting of mouse position in pixels.

• Windows+NVDA+J: move mouse to a specific x and y position.

• Windows+NVDA+P: report mouse position.

• Windows+NVDA+M: sswitch mouse arrows on or off.

• Windows+NVDA+arrow keys (or just arrow keys if mouse arrows is on): move mouse.

Note: these gestures can be reassigned via NVDA's Input Gestures dialog under Golden Cursor category.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Montag, 18. Februar 2019 11:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hello Jean,

 

So what are the mouse movement keys via the keyboard then?  I’m sorry I can’t find them.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

You can move the mouse with the keyboard now.  You can't move it as precisely.  I don't have an opinion about whether the Golden Cursor features should be incorporated into the source code.  But your implication that the mouse can't be moved without the Golden Cursor is not correct.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:27 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Steve Nutt
 

I know those commands, those are for Golden Cursor.  What I didn’t know is you can move the mouse with the keyboard without GC involved.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: 18 February 2019 14:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Key commands

• Control+NVDA+L: view saved mouse positions for an application if any.

• Shift+NVDA+l: save a tag or a label for the current mouse position in the currently focused application.

• Windows+NVDA+C: change mouse movement unit.

• Windows+NVDA+R: toggle mouse restriction.

• Windows+NVDA+S: toggle reporting of mouse position in pixels.

• Windows+NVDA+J: move mouse to a specific x and y position.

• Windows+NVDA+P: report mouse position.

• Windows+NVDA+M: sswitch mouse arrows on or off.

• Windows+NVDA+arrow keys (or just arrow keys if mouse arrows is on): move mouse.

Note: these gestures can be reassigned via NVDA's Input Gestures dialog under Golden Cursor category.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Montag, 18. Februar 2019 11:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hello Jean,

 

So what are the mouse movement keys via the keyboard then?  I’m sorry I can’t find them.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

You can move the mouse with the keyboard now.  You can't move it as precisely.  I don't have an opinion about whether the Golden Cursor features should be incorporated into the source code.  But your implication that the mouse can't be moved without the Golden Cursor is not correct.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:27 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Steve Nutt
 

Hi Joseph,

 

Yes, I knew the routing commands, but I got the impression that there was commands to move the mouse without GC installed.  Thanks for confirming there isn’t, not within NVDA anyway.

 

I am even more convinced that GC should be part of the core program, not an add-on.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 18 February 2019 14:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi Ralph and others,

I don’t think that’s the command set Steve is looking for. Rather, I think what he is after is mouse routing commands that comes with NVDA as follows:

  • NVDA+Numpad divide (NVDA+Shift+M in laptop layout): route mouse to where you’re focused on or control you’re reviewing (navigator object)
  • NVDA+Numpad multiply (NVDA+Shift+N in laptop layout): move navigator object to where the mouse is.

 

There is no built-in command set to move mouse around with a keyboard (apart from Golden Cursor), but mouse keys might help (using Numpad to move the mouse around, a built-in Ease of Access feature in Windows).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 6:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Key commands

• Control+NVDA+L: view saved mouse positions for an application if any.

• Shift+NVDA+l: save a tag or a label for the current mouse position in the currently focused application.

• Windows+NVDA+C: change mouse movement unit.

• Windows+NVDA+R: toggle mouse restriction.

• Windows+NVDA+S: toggle reporting of mouse position in pixels.

• Windows+NVDA+J: move mouse to a specific x and y position.

• Windows+NVDA+P: report mouse position.

• Windows+NVDA+M: sswitch mouse arrows on or off.

• Windows+NVDA+arrow keys (or just arrow keys if mouse arrows is on): move mouse.

Note: these gestures can be reassigned via NVDA's Input Gestures dialog under Golden Cursor category.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Montag, 18. Februar 2019 11:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hello Jean,

 

So what are the mouse movement keys via the keyboard then?  I’m sorry I can’t find them.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

You can move the mouse with the keyboard now.  You can't move it as precisely.  I don't have an opinion about whether the Golden Cursor features should be incorporated into the source code.  But your implication that the mouse can't be moved without the Golden Cursor is not correct.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:27 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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