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Question on Chrome, Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA?
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Laurie Mehta
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I use reader view in Firefox but did not know that chrome has a reader view mode. I do not want to use chrome's read aloud feature, but could you tell me how to use reader view in chrome? Thanks! -LM -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 2/17/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA? To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Date: Sunday, February 17, 2019, 3:53 PM This strikes me as something that can be taken care of outside the screen reader, rather than by the screen reader. Firefox and Chrome both have reader modes and support the Read Aloud add-on/extension. I have used the latter extensively with several of my clients since it distills webpages to their narrative text, getting rid of embedded links, etc. It makes it possible to go through a Wikipedia page without losing your mind, for instance. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back |
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Mary Otten
I have exactly the same question. I recall some time back installing an add-on, or at least thinking I had it installed, that was suppose to read like Safari does with its reader mode or FireFox with its. That never worked, and it is the chief reason why, following a couple of attempts at different times, I just kicked chrome to the curb. The f9 in FF is so convenient, but it would be good to have more than one alternative, especially since MS has said it is moving to use Chromium for its Edge browser.
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Mary On 2/17/2019 4:06 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:
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https://www.techwareguide.com/turn-on-secret-reading-mode-in-chrome-pc/
And I just confirmed it works, provided you have completely closed Chrome. If you have not turned off the setting that allows Chrome to run in the background even when the browser is not visible to you, the user, you will need to restart your system before firing up the tweaked desktop shortcut. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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There is also a Read Mode extension, which works slightly differently than the native page distiller in Chrome. The button it places on the Chrome Toolbar that you right arrow to get to after hitting ALT to throw focus to the Chrome Menu button serves as a toggle, turning that read mode on or off, depending on the current state of the page.
Chrome Reader Extension Install Page I don't know if the results from one or the other may "play better" with a screen reader or not. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Laurie Mehta
Thanks..
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-------------------------------------------- On Sun, 2/17/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: Question on Chrome, Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA? To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Date: Sunday, February 17, 2019, 4:52 PM There is also a Read Mode extension, which works slightly differently than the native page distiller in Chrome. The button it places on the Chrome Toolbar that you right arrow to get to after hitting ALT to throw focus to the Chrome Menu button serves as a toggle, turning that read mode on or off, depending on the current state of the page. Chrome Reader Extension Install Page I don't know if the results from one or the other may "play better" with a screen reader or not. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back |
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Gene
But there may be times when people want to hear the
page as it is when reading. Perhaps the person wants to make sure that no
related content links are missed. Perhaps for other reasons I haven't
thought of. Just as the screen-reader has lots of settings for announcing
or not announcing information such as headings and links, it is consistent with
that design philosophy to also cause graphics to be announced or not. The
screen-reader shouldn't, by omission, steer the user toward using a specific
reading mode.
I haven't used recent versions of NVDA so I don't
know if an announce graphics has been added in document presentation
settings But it should be.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 6:06 PM
Subject: Question on Chrome, Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while
navigating web pages using NVDA? I use reader view in Firefox but did not know that chrome has a reader view mode. I do not want to use chrome's read aloud feature, but could you tell me how to use reader view in chrome? Thanks! -LM -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 2/17/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA? To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Date: Sunday, February 17, 2019, 3:53 PM This strikes me as something that can be taken care of outside the screen reader, rather than by the screen reader. Firefox and Chrome both have reader modes and support the Read Aloud add-on/extension. I have used the latter extensively with several of my clients since it distills webpages to their narrative text, getting rid of embedded links, etc. It makes it possible to go through a Wikipedia page without losing your mind, for instance. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back |
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Mary Otten
I'm not sure what you were getting at here, Gene. If you want to hear all the stuff on the page, the screen reader will do what you want. But for most of us who want to read an article, we don't want to hear all that junk. So reader mode is a great thing, and it can be invoked or not, as it is part of the browser. So again, I am not sure what you are referring to here.
Mary On 2/17/2019 7:28 PM, Gene wrote:
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Gene
The discussion started out about how to make NVDA
not announce the word "graphic." I was saying that this should be a user
definable option, just as having announce a lot of other format information
while reading is. You can stop it announcing bloc quotes, headings, even
links. It still reads the text, but it doesn't announce the
attribute.
The message I responded to said that using read
mode, or whatever the exact name is, will solve this problem. It will, but
not if you don't want to use it for some reason and not on pages where it isn't
available.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: Question on Chrome, Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics
while navigating web pages using NVDA? I'm not sure what you were getting at here, Gene. If you want to hear all the stuff on the page, the screen reader will do what you want. But for most of us who want to read an article, we don't want to hear all that junk. So reader mode is a great thing, and it can be invoked or not, as it is part of the browser. So again, I am not sure what you are referring to here. Mary On 2/17/2019 7:28 PM, Gene wrote:
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On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 10:28 PM, Gene wrote:
But there may be times when people want to hear the page as it is when reading. Perhaps the person wants to make sure that no related content links are missedWhich has next to nothing in regard to answering the question asked at the outset of this topic. I presume that it was a spin-off of the other one, so I am more than willing to limit my response to the scope set by the original request here. Not only that, but in the case of what I offered, "You have been warned," definitely applies. If that's not what's wanted, then don't go that route. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Em 18/02/2019 00:28, Gene escreveu:
I haven't used recent versions of NVDA so I don't know if an announce graphics has been added in document presentation settings But it should be.No, there isn't such option yet. However, I agree, it should be. Cheers, |
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Brian's Mail list account
What would be nice is to be able to cut and paste the uncluttered text so one can keep it in a normal text file format without having to edit out all the like this, picture stuff and the like afterwards.
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary Otten" <maryotten@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 3:41 AM Subject: Re: Question on Chrome, Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA? I'm not sure what you were getting at here, Gene. If you want to hear |
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Brian's Mail list account
After reading the query though, it was obvious to me that it was asking about getting rid of clutter, some of which was graphical, but much was just clusters of links, maybe commercials or other sundry bits of content the page designer is anxious to show the user!
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 4:14 AM Subject: Re: Question on Chrome, Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA? On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 10:28 PM, Gene wrote: Which has next to nothing in regard to answering the question asked at the outset of this topic. I presume that it was a spin-off of the other one, so I am more than willing to limit my response to the scope set by the original request here. Not only that, but in the case of what I offered, "You have been warned," definitely applies. If that's not what's wanted, then don't go that route. -- Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.* ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back |
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On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 03:15 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
What would be nice is to be able to cut and paste the uncluttered text so one can keep it in a normal text fileYou can certainly do this with the page that results from using the Chrome Reader mode. After looking at the result of Chrome's native reader mode and the Reader add-on I far prefer the result from the former to the latter, particularly if cut and paste is desired. The Reader add-on retains far more links along with other web objects like edit boxes, etc., that make no sense to me to have kept in the first place. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Brian's Mail list account
Yes of course page designers could help a lot by not hiding links under the text of pages that when read by us do not seem to be links unless we look at them, and you cannot get to the link address if you wanted, as I often do, to put the link in a text script for humans to read for an audio publication!
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 1:46 PM Subject: Re: Question on Chrome, Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics while navigating web pages using NVDA? On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 03:15 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote: You can certainly do this with the page that results from using the Chrome Reader mode. After looking at the result of Chrome's native reader mode and the Reader add-on I far prefer the result from the former to the latter, particularly if cut and paste is desired. The Reader add-on retains far more links along with other web objects like edit boxes, etc., that make no sense to me to have kept in the first place. -- Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.* ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back |
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Curtis Delzer
how did you follow the steps after you've changed the shortcut, that bit
about clicking on the upper left side? etc. thanks I think it is step 5? :) ----- Curtis Delzer, HS. WB6HEF San Bernardino, CA |
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The "three dots" menu is the Chrome Menu button, hit ALT and you have focus on it. Hit either Enter or Down Arrow and it opens.
If you ever hear the description of either the "three dots" or "hamburger stack" menu or menu key, you can be virtually certain it's the browser's main menu key and that ALT will throw focus to it. In the case of Firefox, though, ALT still brings up the old menu structure, which gives you access via a different route to all of the things that the Firefox main menu key (hamburger stack type, in this case) does. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Gene
Or you can open the Chrome menu with one command,
alt f.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2019 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Question on Chrome, Re: [nvda] Can we pass graphics
while navigating web pages using NVDA? If you ever hear the description of either the "three dots" or "hamburger stack" menu or menu key, you can be virtually certain it's the browser's main menu key and that ALT will throw focus to it. In the case of Firefox, though, ALT still brings up the old menu structure, which gives you access via a different route to all of the things that the Firefox main menu key (hamburger stack type, in this case) does. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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