Zoomtext and nvda


ADRIAN POCOCK
 

Hi all

Does anybody have experience with Zoomtext 11.

From promo video it mentioned the control key being caps lock, same as nvda.

Would this conflict with nvda.  I would like to know before spending a lot of money on it.

It might be better to respond off list here ampbeast@...

Regards Adrian


Desert Moon
 

Hello Adrian,

 

I use ZoomText 10.1 at work and soon will be upgrading. ZoomText 11 is a legacy product. The latest version is 2019.

 

In the Desktop Layout Mode, the main modifier key is Caps Lock. And in the Laptop Layout Mode, the modifier keys are Caps Lock + Alt.

 

For your interest, here are some ZoomText Hotkey Commands that every user should know

Zoom In / Out    Caps Lock + Up / Down

Zoom to 1x (toggle)        Caps Lock + Enter

Enhance Colors On/Off   Caps Lock + C

Show User Interface       Caps Lock + Ctrl + U

ZoomText On/Off            Caps Lock + Ctrl + Enter

Launch AppReader         Caps Lock + Alt + A

Voice Faster / Slower     Caps Lock + Alt + Up / Down

Voice On/Off      Caps Lock + Alt + Enter

Quiet    Ctrl

 

If you have Windows 10, I don’ think you need ZoomText. Most of its functions can be achieved with the accessibility features native to Windows 10 and NVDA.

 

 


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ADRIAN POCOCK
 

hi Desert Moon

I have got these cmds written down from their site, but do they interfere with nvda key.

I use win7 mostly and have win 10 on ice.

By what you said it seems not necessary to spend the money on it for win 10, but what about win 7.  Does it give much more than using built in magn full screen with nvda.

Also can you run it from thumb drive or is it for one system only.

Regards Adrian Pocock

On 10/03/2019 20:20, Desert Moon via Groups.Io wrote:

Hello Adrian,

 

I use ZoomText 10.1 at work and soon will be upgrading. ZoomText 11 is a legacy product. The latest version is 2019.

 

In the Desktop Layout Mode, the main modifier key is Caps Lock. And in the Laptop Layout Mode, the modifier keys are Caps Lock + Alt.

 

For your interest, here are some ZoomText Hotkey Commands that every user should know

Zoom In / Out    Caps Lock + Up / Down

Zoom to 1x (toggle)        Caps Lock + Enter

Enhance Colors On/Off   Caps Lock + C

Show User Interface       Caps Lock + Ctrl + U

ZoomText On/Off            Caps Lock + Ctrl + Enter

Launch AppReader         Caps Lock + Alt + A

Voice Faster / Slower     Caps Lock + Alt + Up / Down

Voice On/Off      Caps Lock + Alt + Enter

Quiet    Ctrl

 

If you have Windows 10, I don’ think you need ZoomText. Most of its functions can be achieved with the accessibility features native to Windows 10 and NVDA.

 

 


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Desert


 

If magnification is mostly what you're looking for then I'd definitely look at the Windows 10 magnifier under Settings, Ease of Access.  If you need some of the functions related to tweaking foreground and background color and/or App Reader or Doc Reader then the Windows built-in is not nearly so sophisticated.

You should be able to use ZoomText (even a legacy version) with NVDA provided you choose a keyboard layout for each where there is not a conflict between keyboard shortcuts, as one or the other will be "the winner" and I believe that may be the program that loaded the most recently.

I used ZoomText with JAWS in the days before ZoomText Fusion with a client in the process of losing his sight who had good days where ZoomText was enough, in between days where we used both (sometimes at once), and bad days where it was strictly screen reader.
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ADRIAN POCOCK
 

Hi Brian

Thank you for the info, gives me something to think about.

Regards Adrian Pocock

On 10/03/2019 20:36, Brian Vogel wrote:
If magnification is mostly what you're looking for then I'd definitely look at the Windows 10 magnifier under Settings, Ease of Access.  If you need some of the functions related to tweaking foreground and background color and/or App Reader or Doc Reader then the Windows built-in is not nearly so sophisticated.

You should be able to use ZoomText (even a legacy version) with NVDA provided you choose a keyboard layout for each where there is not a conflict between keyboard shortcuts, as one or the other will be "the winner" and I believe that may be the program that loaded the most recently.

I used ZoomText with JAWS in the days before ZoomText Fusion with a client in the process of losing his sight who had good days where ZoomText was enough, in between days where we used both (sometimes at once), and bad days where it was strictly screen reader.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Desert Moon
 

Hello Adrian,

 

Windows 7 does not offer full screen magnification. If this is what you need, do explore ZoomText 2019.You can download it from:

 

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/ZoomText

 

It runs in a 40-minute demo mode. Not portable. That version is sold in a USB stick.

 

Windows 10 offers some high contrast modes and colour filters. Unless you need a peculiar colour scheme, I do not see why you need ZoomText. When it comes to screen reading, NVDA gives you much more than ZoomText can.

 


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Desert


ADRIAN POCOCK
 

Hi

Thank you for your response.

Who told you that win 7 doesn't have full screen magnification, a salesman for Zoomtext.

If you have win7 if you go to personalisation, charge theme to the first in the list that support aero and not basic, classic and high contrast. The latter do not support aero thus not allowing full screen mag.  Take it for a spin, when mag is invoked from ease of access you can change from options, this would have been greyed out when not supported by the theme.

Hope this helps and save you and others money.

Regards Adrian Pocock

On 11/03/2019 03:55, Desert Moon via Groups.I wrote:

Hello Adrian,

 

Windows 7 does not offer full screen magnification. If this is what you need, do explore ZoomText 2019.You can download it from:

 

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/ZoomText

 

It runs in a 40-minute demo mode. Not portable. That version is sold in a USB stick.

 

Windows 10 offers some high contrast modes and colour filters. Unless you need a peculiar colour scheme, I do not see why you need ZoomText. When it comes to screen reading, NVDA gives you much more than ZoomText can.

 


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Desert


 

One thing I'll point out here, and it's related to magnification in general, is that it has its limits and they get hit relatively quickly.

For anyone who's had sight and used same for reading, we do not read letter by letter or even word by word, processing tends to take place in multi-word chunks at a time and we also possess a lot of predictive ability (and that applies regardless of reading modality) based on context.

I have had clients for whom magnification on a standard (and by standard I even mean large, but that would be used as a typical monitor) monitor needed to be boosted so much that by the time they could use the magnified version it robbed them of the needed linguistic context.

In this age of very large screen TVs, coupled with either HDMI output from the computer itself or casting ability (though the latter is more of a pain), it is well worth considering whether using a large screen TV as a monitor is the better way to go.  The can be positioned such that they're where a monitor would be, if that proves to be preferable in the first place, and everything ends up magnified by default, preserving context.  Even if you have to magnify some, a tiny bit of magnification for "the normal monitor" translates into quite a bit more when it's displayed on a big-screen TV.  I learned all of this when I had to get creative with a client who had macular degeneration but who still wasn't ready to give up reading with her residual vision, and for whom no amount of magnification on "the small screen" produced a result that would allow that.  We ended up putting her big screen TV on an articulating wall mount, which allowed her to pull it away from the wall and down when she needed to use it as a monitor.

Also a cheap UHD TV, which would be more than adequate for purpose, is far cheaper than most things in the world of accessibility are.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


David Goldfield
 

I had mixed results when attempting to enable full screen magnification on Windows 7. As someone on this list stated it does partly depend on which theme is active. However, even when I was using a supported theme the results were inconsistent. At times, full screen mode from within Magnifier was available, whereas at other times it seemed to mysteriously be unavailable. Perhaps there was a trick or technique that was not obvious to me but, when I was working with Windows 7 with my students, I was not getting consistent results.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 3/10/2019 11:55 PM, Desert Moon via Groups.Io wrote:

Hello Adrian,

 

Windows 7 does not offer full screen magnification. If this is what you need, do explore ZoomText 2019.You can download it from:

 

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/ZoomText

 

It runs in a 40-minute demo mode. Not portable. That version is sold in a USB stick.

 

Windows 10 offers some high contrast modes and colour filters. Unless you need a peculiar colour scheme, I do not see why you need ZoomText. When it comes to screen reading, NVDA gives you much more than ZoomText can.

 


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Desert


David Goldfield
 

While we're on this topic I remember that someone had written an add-on which, more or less, allowed users to operate NVDA along with the Windows Magnifier, treating NVDA as though it were a part of Magnifier, similar to Zoomtext Magnifier/Reader. Of course, this addon was not needed since you could run both at the same time anyway but the addon made it easier to adjust magnification options along with NVDA. I can remember very little else about it and it likely will exhibit issues if it hasn't been updated to support later NVDA versions. It also was not part of the official community addons page although there was nothing illegal or inappropriate about it.


David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 3/11/2019 8:59 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

I had mixed results when attempting to enable full screen magnification on Windows 7. As someone on this list stated it does partly depend on which theme is active. However, even when I was using a supported theme the results were inconsistent. At times, full screen mode from within Magnifier was available, whereas at other times it seemed to mysteriously be unavailable. Perhaps there was a trick or technique that was not obvious to me but, when I was working with Windows 7 with my students, I was not getting consistent results.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 3/10/2019 11:55 PM, Desert Moon via Groups.Io wrote:

Hello Adrian,

 

Windows 7 does not offer full screen magnification. If this is what you need, do explore ZoomText 2019.You can download it from:

 

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/ZoomText

 

It runs in a 40-minute demo mode. Not portable. That version is sold in a USB stick.

 

Windows 10 offers some high contrast modes and colour filters. Unless you need a peculiar colour scheme, I do not see why you need ZoomText. When it comes to screen reading, NVDA gives you much more than ZoomText can.

 


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Desert


David Goldfield
 

Aha! I found the addon. It is called Green Light Go and was specifically designed for the Windows 7 Magnifier. This means that the addon may not be fully compatible with the current version of NVDA and, once 2019.2 hits the streets, may not work at all unless the developer has chosen to keep it up to date.

However, for those who are interested the URL is

http://www.greenlightgo.org/projects/nvda/




David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 3/11/2019 9:04 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

While we're on this topic I remember that someone had written an add-on which, more or less, allowed users to operate NVDA along with the Windows Magnifier, treating NVDA as though it were a part of Magnifier, similar to Zoomtext Magnifier/Reader. Of course, this addon was not needed since you could run both at the same time anyway but the addon made it easier to adjust magnification options along with NVDA. I can remember very little else about it and it likely will exhibit issues if it hasn't been updated to support later NVDA versions. It also was not part of the official community addons page although there was nothing illegal or inappropriate about it.


David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 3/11/2019 8:59 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

I had mixed results when attempting to enable full screen magnification on Windows 7. As someone on this list stated it does partly depend on which theme is active. However, even when I was using a supported theme the results were inconsistent. At times, full screen mode from within Magnifier was available, whereas at other times it seemed to mysteriously be unavailable. Perhaps there was a trick or technique that was not obvious to me but, when I was working with Windows 7 with my students, I was not getting consistent results.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 3/10/2019 11:55 PM, Desert Moon via Groups.Io wrote:

Hello Adrian,

 

Windows 7 does not offer full screen magnification. If this is what you need, do explore ZoomText 2019.You can download it from:

 

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/ZoomText

 

It runs in a 40-minute demo mode. Not portable. That version is sold in a USB stick.

 

Windows 10 offers some high contrast modes and colour filters. Unless you need a peculiar colour scheme, I do not see why you need ZoomText. When it comes to screen reading, NVDA gives you much more than ZoomText can.

 


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Desert


 

David,

       The add-on itself appears to be called, NVDA Magnifier Integration Add-On for Windows 7, and is at the site you mention.   It appears to have last been updated in 2015, and the developer who's listed as Dominic Canare <dom@...>, released the code as open-source under GPL license.

        I don't code python, but this does mean that if another developer wished to pick it up and tweak it for Windows 8.1 or 10 it's entirely possible to do so.
   
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back