Hi, in the lists of entries, like Download or inSeeding etc., apears a column for the names of each item in list. NVDA reads from size column to the following columns, but not the name of the selected entry.
Does anyone know about uTorrent settings more friendly for NVDA?
I'm using NVDA 2018.4.1 and last beta 2019.1BETA1, uTorrent 3.5.4 portable.
Thanks, -- Chris.
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Actually this program has this little annoyance with NVDA, and I
suspect it does with any screen reader.
As a workaround, when you reach the point where NVDA reports
about the download in question, just press F2.
Yes, that's the command to rename a file, but doing it you'll be
able to see the current name of the download you're focused into
and after you're done with it you can just press esc to exit it
without changing the info on the field.
Hth
Em 15/03/2019 07:45, ChrisLeo escreveu:
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Hi,
in the lists of entries, like Download or inSeeding etc., apears a
column for the names of each item in list.
NVDA reads from size column to the following columns, but not the
name of the selected entry.
Does anyone know about uTorrent settings more friendly for
NVDA?
I'm using NVDA 2018.4.1 and last beta 2019.1BETA1, uTorrent 3.5.4
portable.
Thanks,
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Thanks! The F2 key is very useful in this case. Cheers,
Chris.
In reply to marcio via Groups.Io, 15/03/2019 11:54:
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Actually this program has this little annoyance with NVDA, and I suspect it does with any screen reader.
As a workaround, when you reach the point where NVDA reports about the download in question, just press F2.
Yes, that's the command to rename a file, but doing it you'll be able to see the current name of the download you're focused into and after you're done with it you can just press esc to exit it without changing the info on the field.
Hth
Cheers, Marcio AKA /Starboy/
Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>
Em 15/03/2019 07:45, ChrisLeo escreveu:
Hi, in the lists of entries, like Download or inSeeding etc., apears a column for the names of each item in list. NVDA reads from size column to the following columns, but not the name of the selected entry.
Does anyone know about uTorrent settings more friendly for NVDA?
I'm using NVDA 2018.4.1 and last beta 2019.1BETA1, uTorrent 3.5.4 portable.
Thanks,
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I did stop using torrents as almost everything I
got had viruses or malware included in it or took literally weeks to
get!
Brian
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AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] μTorrent 3.5.4: NVDA
does't read the name in the list of entries.
Actually this program has this little annoyance with NVDA, and I suspect it
does with any screen reader.
As a workaround, when you reach the point where NVDA reports about the
download in question, just press F2.
Yes, that's the command to rename a file, but doing it you'll be able to
see the current name of the download you're focused into and after you're done
with it you can just press esc to exit it without changing the info on the
field.
Hth
Em 15/03/2019 07:45, ChrisLeo escreveu:
Hi, in the
lists of entries, like Download or inSeeding etc., apears a column for the
names of each item in list. NVDA reads from size column to the
following columns, but not the name of the selected entry.
Does
anyone know about uTorrent settings more friendly for
NVDA?
I'm using NVDA 2018.4.1 and last beta 2019.1BETA1, uTorrent
3.5.4 portable.
Thanks,
|
|
Torrents are all about colaboration with each other.
Many people after downloading what they want just remove the
torrent from the list of download, which at this point is upload,
which is a mistake and a sense of selfish.
When it comes to torrent, the more people sharing the same one,
the better and faster to download it.
And it won't hurt to let it use one or two KBs of your internet
to allow a faster download for the folks interested in that
torrent.
Now imagine if everyone would think this way? It would be
wonderful to the community!
About viruses, well, if you know what and from where you are
downloading, chances you get some sort of virus are less than
minimal :)
Em 15/03/2019 14:06, Brian's Mail list
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I did stop using torrents as almost everything I got had
viruses or malware included in it or took literally weeks to
get!
Brian
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Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] μTorrent 3.5.4: NVDA does't read
the name in the list of entries.
Actually this program has this little annoyance with NVDA,
and I suspect it does with any screen reader.
As a workaround, when you reach the point where NVDA reports
about the download in question, just press F2.
Yes, that's the command to rename a file, but doing it you'll
be able to see the current name of the download you're focused
into and after you're done with it you can just press esc to
exit it without changing the info on the field.
Hth
Em 15/03/2019 07:45, ChrisLeo
escreveu:
Hi,
in the lists of entries, like Download or inSeeding etc.,
apears a column for the names of each item in list.
NVDA reads from size column to the following columns, but not
the name of the selected entry.
Does anyone know about uTorrent settings more friendly for
NVDA?
I'm using NVDA 2018.4.1 and last beta 2019.1BETA1, uTorrent
3.5.4 portable.
Thanks,
|
|
To be honest, with all the piracy laws against things with
torrents being the most targeted form.
You can do what you want but you need a vpn to do it.
Though a report said that online streaming has taken a lot of the
piracy off.
So if you want to crack all movies all day long, maybe you should
just get a netflicks subscription its only 10 bucks a month and
you can run 3 users per profile.
Its what I have mentioned to some friends that are full video
pirates there is no need.
Music, well depending where you go, you can get cds etc still and
some of that is digital, most stuff costs between 10-25 bucks and
if you want only spaciffic songs and don't want to use amazon or
something compilations of things are still good.
Youtube music playlists exists as well as free online radio
stations so its got a bit better at least.
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On 16/03/2019 6:06 AM, Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I did stop using torrents as
almost everything I got had viruses or malware included in it
or took literally weeks to get!
Brian
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2019 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda]
μTorrent 3.5.4: NVDA does't read the name in the list of
entries.
Actually this program has this little annoyance with NVDA,
and I suspect it does with any screen reader.
As a workaround, when you reach the point where NVDA reports
about the download in question, just press F2.
Yes, that's the command to rename a file, but doing it you'll
be able to see the current name of the download you're focused
into and after you're done with it you can just press esc to
exit it without changing the info on the field.
Hth
Em 15/03/2019 07:45, ChrisLeo
escreveu:
Hi,
in the lists of entries, like Download or inSeeding etc.,
apears a column for the names of each item in list.
NVDA reads from size column to the following columns, but not
the name of the selected entry.
Does anyone know about uTorrent settings more friendly for
NVDA?
I'm using NVDA 2018.4.1 and last beta 2019.1BETA1, uTorrent
3.5.4 portable.
Thanks,
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Dave Clement <dclement@...>
Hello,
While I agree with the community sharing aspect of torrent-like software, one does need to understand how they work and the implications of the process. Here is one experience I had about ten years ago. I hope that today's technology helps one manage this situation better.
A friend who was using a torrent service on his then new computer asked me to help with a severe performance problem on his system. Everything he tried to do on the PC was taking a very long time. Logging on to the internet was taking over five minutes. Opening a program was taking 2-3 minutes. Even simple typing was taking 30-45 seconds for his typed characters to appear on the screen.
After a lot of checking, we finally discovered that the problem was being caused by the hytorrent process. He had used it to download lots of movies and music and did not realize the upload implications of doing so. He did not understand the upload side of the software. When we dug into it we found that over 20 other users were actively uploading some of that material from his PC. These uploads were consuming over 90% of his cpu and his hard disk was working like mad to service the upload requests. Once we used the controls available in the upload software to put some bounds and limits on how much of his system the upload process could consume, his system became useable again.
As I say, one does need to learn about the software products they are using. In his case, he spent over a week with a system he could barely use and was almost at the point of scrapping his PC and buying a new one, which would not truly have helped him. Learning the software and its capabilities saved him from a needless purchase and enabled him to continue sharing material via the torrent approach for several more years.
Dave Clement Winnipeg MB
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On Mar 15, 2019, at 3:48 PM, marcio via Groups.Io < marcinhorj21@...> wrote:
Torrents are all about colaboration with each other.
Many people after downloading what they want just remove the
torrent from the list of download, which at this point is upload,
which is a mistake and a sense of selfish.
When it comes to torrent, the more people sharing the same one,
the better and faster to download it.
And it won't hurt to let it use one or two KBs of your internet
to allow a faster download for the folks interested in that
torrent.
Now imagine if everyone would think this way? It would be
wonderful to the community!
About viruses, well, if you know what and from where you are
downloading, chances you get some sort of virus are less than
minimal :)
Em 15/03/2019 14:06, Brian's Mail list
account via Groups.Io escreveu:
I did stop using torrents as almost everything I got had
viruses or malware included in it or took literally weeks to
get!
Brian
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Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] μTorrent 3.5.4: NVDA does't read
the name in the list of entries.
Actually this program has this little annoyance with NVDA,
and I suspect it does with any screen reader.
As a workaround, when you reach the point where NVDA reports
about the download in question, just press F2.
Yes, that's the command to rename a file, but doing it you'll
be able to see the current name of the download you're focused
into and after you're done with it you can just press esc to
exit it without changing the info on the field.
Hth
Em 15/03/2019 07:45, ChrisLeo
escreveu:
Hi,
in the lists of entries, like Download or inSeeding etc.,
apears a column for the names of each item in list.
NVDA reads from size column to the following columns, but not
the name of the selected entry.
Does anyone know about uTorrent settings more friendly for
NVDA?
I'm using NVDA 2018.4.1 and last beta 2019.1BETA1, uTorrent
3.5.4 portable.
Thanks,
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Brian's Mail list account
well, maybe, I usually used to keep the item in. I think one aspect is that you need to be wary of pirated material or torrents that might well be of hacked versions of software or music etc. Some naughty people set the download up so it looks legitimate but turns out to have something embedded when you unzip it. I even had a Trojan in a file of Christmas Carols once. Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "marcio via Groups.Io" <marcinhorj21@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] μTorrent 3.5.4: NVDA does't read the name in the list of entries. Torrents are all about colaboration with each other.
Many people after downloading what they want just remove the torrent from the list of download, which at this point is upload, which is a mistake and a sense of selfish.
When it comes to torrent, the more people sharing the same one, the better and faster to download it.
And it won't hurt to let it use one or two KBs of your internet to allow a faster download for the folks interested in that torrent.
Now imagine if everyone would think this way? It would be wonderful to the community!
About viruses, well, if you know what and from where you are downloading, chances you get some sort of virus are less than minimal :)
Cheers, Marcio AKA /Starboy/
Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>
Em 15/03/2019 14:06, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escreveu:
I did stop using torrents as almost everything I got had viruses or malware included in it or took literally weeks to get! Brian
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----- Original Message ----- *From:* marcio via Groups.Io <mailto:marcinhorj21@...> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *Sent:* Friday, March 15, 2019 10:54 AM *Subject:* Re: [nvda] μTorrent 3.5.4: NVDA does't read the name in the list of entries.
Actually this program has this little annoyance with NVDA, and I suspect it does with any screen reader.
As a workaround, when you reach the point where NVDA reports about the download in question, just press F2.
Yes, that's the command to rename a file, but doing it you'll be able to see the current name of the download you're focused into and after you're done with it you can just press esc to exit it without changing the info on the field.
Hth
Cheers, Marcio AKA /Starboy/ Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>
Em 15/03/2019 07:45, ChrisLeo escreveu:
Hi, in the lists of entries, like Download or inSeeding etc., apears a column for the names of each item in list. NVDA reads from size column to the following columns, but not the name of the selected entry.
Does anyone know about uTorrent settings more friendly for NVDA?
I'm using NVDA 2018.4.1 and last beta 2019.1BETA1, uTorrent 3.5.4 portable.
Thanks,
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Then there is virtual recorder of course for audio. However I agree that as set up a lot of torrent programs do take way too much processor power. As for hiding who you are. The demise of sites like pirate bay has reduced the actual piracy aspect, thank goodness and when I did use it I only wanted stuff that the makers refused to supply for money, ie old software minority interest music etc.
You certainly needed patience and I do not condone the piracy that went on before, it was ridiculous. It was bound to attract law enforcement and quite rightly, as some people were trying to make a legitimate living. Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] μTorrent 3.5.4: NVDA does't read the name in the list of entries. To be honest, with all the piracy laws against things with torrents being the most targeted form.
You can do what you want but you need a vpn to do it.
Though a report said that online streaming has taken a lot of the piracy off.
So if you want to crack all movies all day long, maybe you should just get a netflicks subscription its only 10 bucks a month and you can run 3 users per profile.
Its what I have mentioned to some friends that are full video pirates there is no need.
Music, well depending where you go, you can get cds etc still and some of that is digital, most stuff costs between 10-25 bucks and if you want only spaciffic songs and don't want to use amazon or something compilations of things are still good.
Youtube music playlists exists as well as free online radio stations so its got a bit better at least.
On 16/03/2019 6:06 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I did stop using torrents as almost everything I got had viruses or malware included in it or took literally weeks to get! Brian
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----- Original Message ----- *From:* marcio via Groups.Io <mailto:marcinhorj21@...> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *Sent:* Friday, March 15, 2019 10:54 AM *Subject:* Re: [nvda] μTorrent 3.5.4: NVDA does't read the name in the list of entries.
Actually this program has this little annoyance with NVDA, and I suspect it does with any screen reader.
As a workaround, when you reach the point where NVDA reports about the download in question, just press F2.
Yes, that's the command to rename a file, but doing it you'll be able to see the current name of the download you're focused into and after you're done with it you can just press esc to exit it without changing the info on the field.
Hth
Cheers, Marcio AKA /Starboy/
Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>
Em 15/03/2019 07:45, ChrisLeo escreveu:
Hi, in the lists of entries, like Download or inSeeding etc., apears a column for the names of each item in list. NVDA reads from size column to the following columns, but not the name of the selected entry.
Does anyone know about uTorrent settings more friendly for NVDA?
I'm using NVDA 2018.4.1 and last beta 2019.1BETA1, uTorrent 3.5.4 portable.
Thanks,
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Of course, with any software, but especially something like a torrent client, it’s always advisable to know both the implications fo what you are getting into, and how said software works. I don’t know what version this started with, because I don’t recall this ever happening on my XP machine, but uTorrent now stays running in the background if you don’t close it using the file menu method. So, if you just hit alt-f4 to close most of your programmes, as I usually do, you might not be aware that the torrent client is still running and that torrents are probably still active. It even automatically reloads when you reboot your system. Literally the only way to properly and really shut it down is by using the “close” option in the file menu. If a user is unaware of that, well, then yeah, he might end up with the problem you described there.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Clement Sent: March 16, 2019 1:27 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] μTorrent 3.5.4: NVDA does't read the name in the list of entries. While I agree with the community sharing aspect of torrent-like software, one does need to understand how they work and the implications of the process. Here is one experience I had about ten years ago. I hope that today's technology helps one manage this situation better. A friend who was using a torrent service on his then new computer asked me to help with a severe performance problem on his system. Everything he tried to do on the PC was taking a very long time. Logging on to the internet was taking over five minutes. Opening a program was taking 2-3 minutes. Even simple typing was taking 30-45 seconds for his typed characters to appear on the screen. After a lot of checking, we finally discovered that the problem was being caused by the hytorrent process. He had used it to download lots of movies and music and did not realize the upload implications of doing so. He did not understand the upload side of the software. When we dug into it we found that over 20 other users were actively uploading some of that material from his PC. These uploads were consuming over 90% of his cpu and his hard disk was working like mad to service the upload requests. Once we used the controls available in the upload software to put some bounds and limits on how much of his system the upload process could consume, his system became useable again. As I say, one does need to learn about the software products they are using. In his case, he spent over a week with a system he could barely use and was almost at the point of scrapping his PC and buying a new one, which would not truly have helped him. Learning the software and its capabilities saved him from a needless purchase and enabled him to continue sharing material via the torrent approach for several more years. Torrents are all about colaboration with each other. Many people after downloading what they want just remove the torrent from the list of download, which at this point is upload, which is a mistake and a sense of selfish. When it comes to torrent, the more people sharing the same one, the better and faster to download it. And it won't hurt to let it use one or two KBs of your internet to allow a faster download for the folks interested in that torrent. Now imagine if everyone would think this way? It would be wonderful to the community! About viruses, well, if you know what and from where you are downloading, chances you get some sort of virus are less than minimal :) Em 15/03/2019 14:06, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escreveu: I did stop using torrents as almost everything I got had viruses or malware included in it or took literally weeks to get! bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. This message sent from a Windows XP machine!
----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] μTorrent 3.5.4: NVDA does't read the name in the list of entries. Actually this program has this little annoyance with NVDA, and I suspect it does with any screen reader. As a workaround, when you reach the point where NVDA reports about the download in question, just press F2. Yes, that's the command to rename a file, but doing it you'll be able to see the current name of the download you're focused into and after you're done with it you can just press esc to exit it without changing the info on the field. Hth Em 15/03/2019 07:45, ChrisLeo escreveu: Hi, in the lists of entries, like Download or inSeeding etc., apears a column for the names of each item in list. NVDA reads from size column to the following columns, but not the name of the selected entry.
Does anyone know about uTorrent settings more friendly for NVDA?
I'm using NVDA 2018.4.1 and last beta 2019.1BETA1, uTorrent 3.5.4 portable.
Thanks,
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thepiratebay is not dead. Again it's all about being aware of what you are downloading and scanning the things you decide to download.
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On 3/16/19, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote: Of course, with any software, but especially something like a torrent client, it’s always advisable to know both the implications fo what you are getting into, and how said software works.
I don’t know what version this started with, because I don’t recall this ever happening on my XP machine, but uTorrent now stays running in the background if you don’t close it using the file menu method. So, if you just hit alt-f4 to close most of your programmes, as I usually do, you might not be aware that the torrent client is still running and that torrents are probably still active. It even automatically reloads when you reboot your system. Literally the only way to properly and really shut it down is by using the “close” option in the file menu. If a user is unaware of that, well, then yeah, he might end up with the problem you described there.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Clement Sent: March 16, 2019 1:27 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] μTorrent 3.5.4: NVDA does't read the name in the list of entries.
Hello,
While I agree with the community sharing aspect of torrent-like software, one does need to understand how they work and the implications of the process. Here is one experience I had about ten years ago. I hope that today's technology helps one manage this situation better.
A friend who was using a torrent service on his then new computer asked me to help with a severe performance problem on his system. Everything he tried to do on the PC was taking a very long time. Logging on to the internet was taking over five minutes. Opening a program was taking 2-3 minutes. Even simple typing was taking 30-45 seconds for his typed characters to appear on the screen.
After a lot of checking, we finally discovered that the problem was being caused by the hytorrent process. He had used it to download lots of movies and music and did not realize the upload implications of doing so. He did not understand the upload side of the software. When we dug into it we found that over 20 other users were actively uploading some of that material from his PC. These uploads were consuming over 90% of his cpu and his hard disk was working like mad to service the upload requests. Once we used the controls available in the upload software to put some bounds and limits on how much of his system the upload process could consume, his system became useable again.
As I say, one does need to learn about the software products they are using. In his case, he spent over a week with a system he could barely use and was almost at the point of scrapping his PC and buying a new one, which would not truly have helped him. Learning the software and its capabilities saved him from a needless purchase and enabled him to continue sharing material via the torrent approach for several more years.
Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB
On Mar 15, 2019, at 3:48 PM, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21@... <mailto:marcinhorj21@...> > wrote:
Torrents are all about colaboration with each other.
Many people after downloading what they want just remove the torrent from the list of download, which at this point is upload, which is a mistake and a sense of selfish.
When it comes to torrent, the more people sharing the same one, the better and faster to download it.
And it won't hurt to let it use one or two KBs of your internet to allow a faster download for the folks interested in that torrent.
Now imagine if everyone would think this way? It would be wonderful to the community!
About viruses, well, if you know what and from where you are downloading, chances you get some sort of virus are less than minimal :)
Cheers, Marcio
AKA Starboy
Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>
Em 15/03/2019 14:06, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escreveu:
I did stop using torrents as almost everything I got had viruses or malware included in it or took literally weeks to get!
Brian
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From: marcio via Groups.Io <mailto:marcinhorj21@...>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] μTorrent 3.5.4: NVDA does't read the name in the list of entries.
Actually this program has this little annoyance with NVDA, and I suspect it does with any screen reader.
As a workaround, when you reach the point where NVDA reports about the download in question, just press F2.
Yes, that's the command to rename a file, but doing it you'll be able to see the current name of the download you're focused into and after you're done with it you can just press esc to exit it without changing the info on the field.
Hth
Cheers, Marcio AKA Starboy Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>
Em 15/03/2019 07:45, ChrisLeo escreveu:
Hi, in the lists of entries, like Download or inSeeding etc., apears a column for the names of each item in list. NVDA reads from size column to the following columns, but not the name of the selected entry.
Does anyone know about uTorrent settings more friendly for NVDA?
I'm using NVDA 2018.4.1 and last beta 2019.1BETA1, uTorrent 3.5.4 portable.
Thanks,
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