Inconsistency with NVDA+t on desktop


Felix G.
 

Hi folks,
has anyone else observed that sometimes NVDA reports the title of the
desktop as "Explorer" whereas at other times it states "Program
Manager?"
As an aside, I find that "Explorer" is often announced even when it is
inappropriate as something completely different has focus.
Best,
Felix


 

hi.
yes.
i confirm this problem in nvda 2017.2 (my favorite version) on windows xp.
i dont understand whats the problem.
and i thought that i am the only one who has this issue!
in this case, i cant do anything or open my computer and desktop programs.
thanks for reporting and God bless you!

On 4/16/19, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hi folks,
has anyone else observed that sometimes NVDA reports the title of the
desktop as "Explorer" whereas at other times it states "Program
Manager?"
As an aside, I find that "Explorer" is often announced even when it is
inappropriate as something completely different has focus.
Best,
Felix



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Yes this seems to happen a lot on windows 10, not seen it on 7, but have encountered unknown on 7 for no obvious reason so I'm thinking that the software is sending multiple events and depending on which is 'seen' you get different results.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 7:20 AM
Subject: [nvda] Inconsistency with NVDA+t on desktop


Hi folks,
has anyone else observed that sometimes NVDA reports the title of the
desktop as "Explorer" whereas at other times it states "Program
Manager?"
As an aside, I find that "Explorer" is often announced even when it is
inappropriate as something completely different has focus.
Best,
Felix


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You are right the basic intermittent issue has been around generally since the xp days.
If you look at logs you do often see warnings but no actual errors. I do not have some comparison logs handy and as it is quite a small irritation probably low priority, but despite it being in the tracker I did not find it.
My poor search skills probably!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Inconsistency with NVDA+t on desktop


hi.
yes.
i confirm this problem in nvda 2017.2 (my favorite version) on windows xp.
i dont understand whats the problem.
and i thought that i am the only one who has this issue!
in this case, i cant do anything or open my computer and desktop programs.
thanks for reporting and God bless you!

On 4/16/19, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hi folks,
has anyone else observed that sometimes NVDA reports the title of the
desktop as "Explorer" whereas at other times it states "Program
Manager?"
As an aside, I find that "Explorer" is often announced even when it is
inappropriate as something completely different has focus.
Best,
Felix




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Felix G.
 

Hi,
thanks for confirming. The more I think about it, the more I am of the
opinion that this might also be related to issue #8389, which I myself
reported, because in the final analysis it has to do with focus
tracking again. Sorry that this is becoming an exercise in
self-reference on my part, but I keep running into ramifications of it
and they are pretty much everything I currently dislike about NVDA,
meaning I pretty much love everything else.
Best,
Felix

Am Di., 16. Apr. 2019 um 10:31 Uhr schrieb Brian's Mail list account
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You are right the basic intermittent issue has been around generally since
the xp days.
If you look at logs you do often see warnings but no actual errors. I do
not have some comparison logs handy and as it is quite a small irritation
probably low priority, but despite it being in the tracker I did not find
it.
My poor search skills probably!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Inconsistency with NVDA+t on desktop


hi.
yes.
i confirm this problem in nvda 2017.2 (my favorite version) on windows xp.
i dont understand whats the problem.
and i thought that i am the only one who has this issue!
in this case, i cant do anything or open my computer and desktop programs.
thanks for reporting and God bless you!

On 4/16/19, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hi folks,
has anyone else observed that sometimes NVDA reports the title of the
desktop as "Explorer" whereas at other times it states "Program
Manager?"
As an aside, I find that "Explorer" is often announced even when it is
inappropriate as something completely different has focus.
Best,
Felix




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





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Could it also be implicated in the way at certain times when a browser is launched with auto say all on, it fails and indeed often fails to bring focus to the document until you do something like open and close a menu?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Inconsistency with NVDA+t on desktop


Hi,
thanks for confirming. The more I think about it, the more I am of the
opinion that this might also be related to issue #8389, which I myself
reported, because in the final analysis it has to do with focus
tracking again. Sorry that this is becoming an exercise in
self-reference on my part, but I keep running into ramifications of it
and they are pretty much everything I currently dislike about NVDA,
meaning I pretty much love everything else.
Best,
Felix

Am Di., 16. Apr. 2019 um 10:31 Uhr schrieb Brian's Mail list account
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You are right the basic intermittent issue has been around generally since
the xp days.
If you look at logs you do often see warnings but no actual errors. I do
not have some comparison logs handy and as it is quite a small irritation
probably low priority, but despite it being in the tracker I did not find
it.
My poor search skills probably!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Inconsistency with NVDA+t on desktop


hi.
yes.
i confirm this problem in nvda 2017.2 (my favorite version) on windows xp.
i dont understand whats the problem.
and i thought that i am the only one who has this issue!
in this case, i cant do anything or open my computer and desktop programs.
thanks for reporting and God bless you!

On 4/16/19, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hi folks,
has anyone else observed that sometimes NVDA reports the title of the
desktop as "Explorer" whereas at other times it states "Program
Manager?"
As an aside, I find that "Explorer" is often announced even when it is
inappropriate as something completely different has focus.
Best,
Felix




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





Felix G.
 

Hi,
indeed it could. Something is off somewhere and a cluster of what seem
to be independent bugs has formed around it, but I have no idea what
it could be except to assume it happens when the watchdog kicks in at
certain times.
Best,
Felix

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Could it also be implicated in the way at certain times when a browser is
launched with auto say all on, it fails and indeed often fails to bring
focus to the document until you do something like open and close a menu?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Inconsistency with NVDA+t on desktop


Hi,
thanks for confirming. The more I think about it, the more I am of the
opinion that this might also be related to issue #8389, which I myself
reported, because in the final analysis it has to do with focus
tracking again. Sorry that this is becoming an exercise in
self-reference on my part, but I keep running into ramifications of it
and they are pretty much everything I currently dislike about NVDA,
meaning I pretty much love everything else.
Best,
Felix

Am Di., 16. Apr. 2019 um 10:31 Uhr schrieb Brian's Mail list account
via Groups.Io <bglists@...>:

You are right the basic intermittent issue has been around generally
since
the xp days.
If you look at logs you do often see warnings but no actual errors. I do
not have some comparison logs handy and as it is quite a small irritation
probably low priority, but despite it being in the tracker I did not find
it.
My poor search skills probably!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Inconsistency with NVDA+t on desktop


hi.
yes.
i confirm this problem in nvda 2017.2 (my favorite version) on windows
xp.
i dont understand whats the problem.
and i thought that i am the only one who has this issue!
in this case, i cant do anything or open my computer and desktop
programs.
thanks for reporting and God bless you!

On 4/16/19, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hi folks,
has anyone else observed that sometimes NVDA reports the title of the
desktop as "Explorer" whereas at other times it states "Program
Manager?"
As an aside, I find that "Explorer" is often announced even when it is
inappropriate as something completely different has focus.
Best,
Felix




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali








Andre Fisher
 

Hi.

On my end, using Windows 10, there seems to be some consistency to the behaviour as follows:

Pressing Windows+M: Program Manager
Pressing Windows+D: Explorer

Also, I often hear explorer when an application may hang, which results in its correct title not being reported.


 

As a generic observation, you can and sometimes do get all sorts of difficulty/inconsistency when asynchronous processing is being used (and it's used a lot these days) and you have something else (probably NVDA, in this case) "playing watchman" for any one of a number of events that could be thrown at it in any order, and sometimes very rapidly.   You'll often end up with the last event that occurred in rapid succession being the only one that ends up being presented to the end user, as by the time you'd even try with the others it would get even more insanely confusing.  Sometimes what the watcher gets last is not what actually happened last.

The following is offered by means of demonstration of this sort of problem generally, not specific to NVDA.  I experienced an issue with asynchronous processing when writing a custom VBA script for a screen reader user so that Outlook would automatically click through on a link contained in specific e-mail messages.  The message would come in, the script would be kicked off, but the actual message body text would not yet be available for processing because Outlook was still doing something with it while the script was already running.   I had to put a bit of "time burning run the treadmill" type code in the script to make sure that Outlook had finished its bit and handed off access to the message body before I moved on.  It took me forever to figure out what was going on, as it made no sense to me that Outlook could hand over a message to a script but had only handed over *part* of a message to a script until it finished whatever it was doing with the other part.

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In fact, here it always reports "Explorer".
How I would have it to report Program Manager?

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Em 16/04/2019 03:20, Felix G. disse:

Hi folks,
has anyone else observed that sometimes NVDA reports the title of the
desktop as "Explorer" whereas at other times it states "Program
Manager?"
As an aside, I find that "Explorer" is often announced even when it is
inappropriate as something completely different has focus.
Best,
Felix