blank lines in outlook 2016
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Sam Bushman
Hi All,
I have two main problems with outlook 2016 – the 32bit version that you can download and install from office 365.
Thanks so much for any input. Sam
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Gene
Why are you down arrowing through the
message? Do you have to do so for some reason? If you use read to
end, no blank lines will be spoken.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
Hi All,
I have two main problems with outlook 2016 – the 32bit version that you can download and install from office 365.
Thanks so much for any input. Sam
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Sam Bushman
When you use read to end – then want to get a link to click on – how do you find the link – highlight it and then click on it. You press esc or another key to stop the read to end – then you need to arrow around to find the link to click on. I just get blank over and over. Any other suggestions?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 7:22 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016
Why are you down arrowing through the message? Do you have to do so for some reason? If you use read to end, no blank lines will be spoken.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
Hi All,
I have two main problems with outlook 2016 – the 32bit version that you can download and install from office 365.
Thanks so much for any input. Sam
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Ralf Kefferpuetz
I got this crashes as well on some messages, most of them contain the official twitter icon in a signature. I tested it with the sender, without this twitter icon in their signature Outlook doesn’t crash.
Cheers, Ralf
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Mittwoch, 1. Mai 2019 14:26 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016
Hi All,
I have two main problems with outlook 2016 – the 32bit version that you can download and install from office 365.
Thanks so much for any input. Sam
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Gene
First, it is important to use correct commands to
do tasks. Other commands may work at times but they may lead to unwanted
behaviors. One example is escape. It is not a documented stop speech
or stop read to end command. If you use it in those ways, you may have
behaviors you don't want. You may close a dialog or something else.
If I have an opened e-mail message and I use it, the message closes. The
result is that I have to reopen the message again and I have completely lost my
place. Control is the stop speech command. While any key will stop
speech, the key will take whatever action it normally takes as well.
Stopping speech when any key is pressed is done so that old speech won't
continue when you take a new action. Control is the documented stop speech
command in all screen-readers I am familiar with because control, when pressed
by itself, takes no actions other than to stop speech. it stops speech
just as pressing any key does so it isn't taking that action as a control key
function. NVDA is stopping speech because a key is pressed.
It is very easy to find a link if you stop speech
near it. Use the command k to move you to the next link or shift k to move
you to the previous link. If you have read the link and are passed it,
shift k will take you back to it with one issuance of the command because it is
the previous link.
I am assuming you are reading mail as html.
If you aren't, that command won't work.
You can also tab or shift tab to move to the next
and previous link respectively. However, in my e-mail program, that often
takes you to a link far away from the one you want because of an alignment
problem in browse mode when using the e-mail program I use. K and shift k
doesn't have that problewm. You can experiment and see what happens in
your e-mail program if you wish.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: Sam Bushman
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 When you use read to end – then want to get a link to click on – how do you find the link – highlight it and then click on it. You press esc or another key to stop the read to end – then you need to arrow around to find the link to click on. I just get blank over and over. Any other suggestions?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Why are you down arrowing through the message? Do you have to do so for some reason? If you use read to end, no blank lines will be spoken.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
Hi All,
I have two main problems with outlook 2016 – the 32bit version that you can download and install from office 365.
Thanks so much for any input. Sam
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Brian's Mail list account
If you want to locate bits to cut and paste as I do all the time for scripts for readers the blank line can become just a little annoying!
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 Why are you down arrowing through the message? Do you have to do so for some reason? If you use read to end, no blank lines will be spoken. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Sam Bushman Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 7:26 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 Hi All, I have two main problems with outlook 2016 - the 32bit version that you can download and install from office 365. 1.. I get blank line over and over when arrowing through messages. Is there a way to ignore / compress more than one blank line in a row? 2.. Often the outlook crashes and restarts. This only happens with NVDA. I have briefed several on this list before and have sent in logs etc. Does this crashing on certain messages happen to anyone else? If I view the message by either looking at it from a forward or a reply it doesn't crash. Thanks so much for any input. Sam |
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Brian's Mail list account
can you not use the normal web shortcuts in browse mode if you display it in html?
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Bushman" <libertyroundtable@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 When you use read to end - then want to get a link to click on - how do you |
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Sam Bushman
Yes you can, however, when you press k to go from link to link it just gets
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stuck on graphic and can't find the link you want - you need to press k then down arrow then k and down arrow and - ... etc. If you try to press read all then stop it to find a link then you just get blank line after blank line. -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 1:57 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 can you not use the normal web shortcuts in browse mode if you display it in html? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Bushman" <libertyroundtable@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 When you use read to end - then want to get a link to click on - how do |
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Gene
Perhaps it should be suggested that a setting be
adopted that would skip blank lines.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 for readers the blank line can become just a little annoying! Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 Why are you down arrowing through the message? Do you have to do so for some reason? If you use read to end, no blank lines will be spoken. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Sam Bushman Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 7:26 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 Hi All, I have two main problems with outlook 2016 - the 32bit version that you can download and install from office 365. 1.. I get blank line over and over when arrowing through messages. Is there a way to ignore / compress more than one blank line in a row? 2.. Often the outlook crashes and restarts. This only happens with NVDA. I have briefed several on this list before and have sent in logs etc. Does this crashing on certain messages happen to anyone else? If I view the message by either looking at it from a forward or a reply it doesn't crash. Thanks so much for any input. Sam |
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Sam Bushman
Agreed!
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 2:11 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016
Perhaps it should be suggested that a setting be adopted that would skip blank lines.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016
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Gene
K should never stop on a graphic and repeating k
should move you from link to link. are these graphics or links that say
graphic? At this point, I can't tell if the problem is how NVDA works in a
certain e-mail program or something about the messages?
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: Sam Bushman
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 stuck on graphic and can't find the link you want - you need to press k then down arrow then k and down arrow and - ... etc. If you try to press read all then stop it to find a link then you just get blank line after blank line. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 1:57 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 can you not use the normal web shortcuts in browse mode if you display it in html? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Bushman" <libertyroundtable@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 > When you use read to end - then want to get a link to click on - how do > you > find the link - highlight it and then click on it. > > You press esc or another key to stop the read to end - then you need to > arrow around to find the link to click on. I just get blank over and over. > Any other suggestions? > > > > > > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene > Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 7:22 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 > > > > Why are you down arrowing through the message? Do you have to do so for > some reason? If you use read to end, no blank lines will be spoken. > > > > Gene > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Sam Bushman <mailto:libertyroundtable@...> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 7:26 AM > > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > > Subject: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 > > > > Hi All, > > > > I have two main problems with outlook 2016 - the 32bit version that you > can > download and install from office 365. > > > > 1. I get blank line over and over when arrowing through messages. Is > there a way to ignore / compress more than one blank line in a row? > 2. Often the outlook crashes and restarts. This only happens with NVDA. > I have briefed several on this list before and have sent in logs etc. Does > this crashing on certain messages happen to anyone else? If I view the > message by either looking at it from a forward or a reply it doesn't > crash. > > Thanks so much for any input. > > Sam > > > > > > > > > |
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Gene
I should add that based on your description, it
sounds like some incompatibility between NVDA and the e-mail program but the
subject needs more discussion to do more than just say it sounds like
that. I'm not sure what questions to ask. others may have
more.
Gene. ----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 stuck on graphic and can't find the link you want - you need to press k then down arrow then k and down arrow and - ... etc. If you try to press read all then stop it to find a link then you just get blank line after blank line. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 1:57 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 can you not use the normal web shortcuts in browse mode if you display it in html? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Bushman" <libertyroundtable@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 > When you use read to end - then want to get a link to click on - how do > you > find the link - highlight it and then click on it. > > You press esc or another key to stop the read to end - then you need to > arrow around to find the link to click on. I just get blank over and over. > Any other suggestions? > > > > > > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene > Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 7:22 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 > > > > Why are you down arrowing through the message? Do you have to do so for > some reason? If you use read to end, no blank lines will be spoken. > > > > Gene > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Sam Bushman <mailto:libertyroundtable@...> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 7:26 AM > > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > > Subject: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 > > > > Hi All, > > > > I have two main problems with outlook 2016 - the 32bit version that you > can > download and install from office 365. > > > > 1. I get blank line over and over when arrowing through messages. Is > there a way to ignore / compress more than one blank line in a row? > 2. Often the outlook crashes and restarts. This only happens with NVDA. > I have briefed several on this list before and have sent in logs etc. Does > this crashing on certain messages happen to anyone else? If I view the > message by either looking at it from a forward or a reply it doesn't > crash. > > Thanks so much for any input. > > Sam > > > > > > > > > |
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Sam Bushman
That is a great point. I will try to use only control to stop speech. I have been using up arrow. Thinking if speech stops and I go up on line from where it stopped I should be in good shape.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 9:54 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016
First, it is important to use correct commands to do tasks. Other commands may work at times but they may lead to unwanted behaviors. One example is escape. It is not a documented stop speech or stop read to end command. If you use it in those ways, you may have behaviors you don't want. You may close a dialog or something else. If I have an opened e-mail message and I use it, the message closes. The result is that I have to reopen the message again and I have completely lost my place. Control is the stop speech command. While any key will stop speech, the key will take whatever action it normally takes as well. Stopping speech when any key is pressed is done so that old speech won't continue when you take a new action. Control is the documented stop speech command in all screen-readers I am familiar with because control, when pressed by itself, takes no actions other than to stop speech. it stops speech just as pressing any key does so it isn't taking that action as a control key function. NVDA is stopping speech because a key is pressed.
It is very easy to find a link if you stop speech near it. Use the command k to move you to the next link or shift k to move you to the previous link. If you have read the link and are passed it, shift k will take you back to it with one issuance of the command because it is the previous link.
I am assuming you are reading mail as html. If you aren't, that command won't work.
You can also tab or shift tab to move to the next and previous link respectively. However, in my e-mail program, that often takes you to a link far away from the one you want because of an alignment problem in browse mode when using the e-mail program I use. K and shift k doesn't have that problewm. You can experiment and see what happens in your e-mail program if you wish.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Sam Bushman Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016
When you use read to end – then want to get a link to click on – how do you find the link – highlight it and then click on it. You press esc or another key to stop the read to end – then you need to arrow around to find the link to click on. I just get blank over and over. Any other suggestions?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Why are you down arrowing through the message? Do you have to do so for some reason? If you use read to end, no blank lines will be spoken.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
Hi All,
I have two main problems with outlook 2016 – the 32bit version that you can download and install from office 365.
Thanks so much for any input. Sam
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hurrikennyandopo ...
Hi
usually when you read a email it is in browse mode. To stop nvda from talking use the CTRL key. Then if you think you just missed it use the shift key + K to jump you back up to that link if that is the one you want. You can keep on repeating it until you get to it.
If in a email you can also use the letter K to jump down by links only in browse mode not in focus mode where you type.
You can use thenvda quick navigation keys that are supported in browse mode if available
Most are like K for links there may be some headings so the letter H can be used etc.. Gene nz
On 2/05/2019 1:48 AM, Sam Bushman wrote:
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Brian's Mail list account
Or makes a little noise of a discreet nature instead?
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 Perhaps it should be suggested that a setting be adopted that would skip blank lines. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 2:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 If you want to locate bits to cut and paste as I do all the time for scripts for readers the blank line can become just a little annoying! Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 Why are you down arrowing through the message? Do you have to do so for some reason? If you use read to end, no blank lines will be spoken. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Sam Bushman Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 7:26 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 Hi All, I have two main problems with outlook 2016 - the 32bit version that you can download and install from office 365. 1.. I get blank line over and over when arrowing through messages. Is there a way to ignore / compress more than one blank line in a row? 2.. Often the outlook crashes and restarts. This only happens with NVDA. I have briefed several on this list before and have sent in logs etc. Does this crashing on certain messages happen to anyone else? If I view the message by either looking at it from a forward or a reply it doesn't crash. Thanks so much for any input. Sam |
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Brian's Mail list account
I'm not sure what that is, but there are several ways to send rich text emails. You can encode them in base 64 so high bits are sent and displayed against 7 bit for normal plain text or you can send them html coded and this also has mark up and of course often the graphics are in fact sent as kind of invisible attaches and the little graphics displayed in the right places by the mark up.
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It might be an idea to turn off automatically download graphics and see if that works. Some emails even have the audacity to go to web servers to get the graphics which in my view poses a security risk. I have them turned off. I'm assuming the newer versions of Outlook still have this ability. You still get the alt tags, and the page is much faster to download and display as well. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralf Kefferpuetz" <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 I got this crashes as well on some messages, most of them contain the official twitter icon in a signature. I tested it |
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Peter Beasley
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From: Gene
Sent: 01 May 2019 21:10 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016
Perhaps it should be suggested that a setting be adopted that would skip blank lines.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016
If you want to locate bits to cut and paste as I do all the time for scripts
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Em 01/05/2019 12:53, Gene disse:
Actually it does. This is the key configured by default used on TeamTalk when you are on PTT mode. However it can be easily changed, but I just thought I'd point it out. |
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Gene
I don't see the point. What is wanted is
something that skips blank lines when you down arrow and moves directly to the
next line with text. If there are three blank lines between the line of
text you are on and the next line, down arrowing would skip those three blank
lines and read the next line with text.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 1:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 Perhaps it should be suggested that a setting be adopted that would skip blank lines. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 2:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 If you want to locate bits to cut and paste as I do all the time for scripts for readers the blank line can become just a little annoying! Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 Why are you down arrowing through the message? Do you have to do so for some reason? If you use read to end, no blank lines will be spoken. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Sam Bushman Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 7:26 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016 Hi All, I have two main problems with outlook 2016 - the 32bit version that you can download and install from office 365. 1.. I get blank line over and over when arrowing through messages. Is there a way to ignore / compress more than one blank line in a row? 2.. Often the outlook crashes and restarts. This only happens with NVDA. I have briefed several on this list before and have sent in logs etc. Does this crashing on certain messages happen to anyone else? If I view the message by either looking at it from a forward or a reply it doesn't crash. Thanks so much for any input. Sam |
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Sam Bushman
It’s kind of like how a screen reader will say 52 dashes instead of dash,dash,dash over and over. Might say five blank lines and then move you past them in one down arrow – could be turned on or off?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Beasley
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 2:52 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016
Windoweeyes used to have a feature to turn off blank.
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From: Gene
Perhaps it should be suggested that a setting be adopted that would skip blank lines.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016
If you want to locate bits to cut and paste as I do all the time for scripts
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