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NVDA remote

Antony Stone
 

This is exactly what I am saying could be done better, if the local copy of
NVDA *did* interpret the keystrokes (because it knows the remote copy is going
to do that anyway, so one or other of them has to do it) and then send the
commands which those keystrokes mean to the remote copy of NVDA.

This would avoid the confusion around "do both versions have the same keyboard
layout?" etc., and simply means that the local copy sends special command
codes to the remote copy, which then executes them as though they had come
from interpreting the keystrokes instead.

Pressing F11 on your own machine then switches NVDA from "interpreting your
keystrokes and acting on them" to "interpreting your keystrokes and sending a
command code to the other end".

NVDA Remote in slave mode receives NVDA command codes and acts on them, as
well as keystrokes (for applications etc.) and just passes them through to the
current active application.


Antony.

On Friday 10 May 2019 at 14:58:01, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi
NVDA isn't interpreting the keystrokes, It's just behaving as normal in
that it takes input from the keyboard and either sees it as an NVDA
command, app input or operating system related. NVDA is just acting as a
conduit, passing the keystrokes as if they had been typed locally, then
passing back text strings output for voicing on the controllers machine.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony
Stone Sent: 10 May 2019 11:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote

It strikes me that it would be better for NVDA Remote to send not the
keystrokes themselves, which then need to be interpreted by the remote
machine, and rely on it having the same NVDA keyboard layout setting, but
instead to send the NVDA commands which result from those keystrokes, so
that the person on the controlling computer types some key combination on
their keyboard, and the command which this combination means to then gets
sent to the controlled computer, without caring what keyboard language or
layout it has.

Antony.

On Friday 10 May 2019 at 11:01:42, Chris Mullins wrote:
Hi

I don’t know what what the @Luke etc references are because I’m a
dinosaur and have no interest in Twitter or Facebook but I’m confused by
the references to keypads. To use NVDA remote, both parties should have
NVDA configured to use the same keyboard layout and language,
irrespective of the physical computers. Think about it, the controlling
is sending keystrokes to the controlled computer, so it has to cbe
configured to understand those keystrokes.

To check what NVDA version is being used, press NVDA+f1 to open the log
file, move to the top of the log file and use the down arrow to scroll a
few lines down and there is a message stating the version of NVDA being
used.

Cheers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ján
Kulik Sent: 10 May 2019 09:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote

hi,

@Luke: He has the latest version of this add-on installed, so I didn't
require it from him. He does not know much about these things, so I say
that his teacher has set it up for him.

@Kevin: So in the hint it is possible that we both have a keypad, that
is, a deskstop or a laptop.
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Kevin Cussick
 

Try and use the same version laptop or desktop and see if it works.

On 10/05/2019 09:26, Ján Kulik wrote:
hi,
@Luke: He has the latest version of this add-on installed, so I didn't require it from him. He does not know much about these things, so I say that his teacher has set it up for him.
@Kevin: So in the hint it is possible that we both have a keypad, that is, a deskstop or a laptop.

Chris Mullins
 

Hi
NVDA isn't interpreting the keystrokes, It's just behaving as normal in that it takes input from the keyboard and either sees it as an NVDA command, app input or operating system related. NVDA is just acting as a conduit, passing the keystrokes as if they had been typed locally, then passing back text strings output for voicing on the controllers machine.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: 10 May 2019 11:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote

It strikes me that it would be better for NVDA Remote to send not the
keystrokes themselves, which then need to be interpreted by the remote
machine, and rely on it having the same NVDA keyboard layout setting, but
instead to send the NVDA commands which result from those keystrokes, so that
the person on the controlling computer types some key combination on their
keyboard, and the command which this combination means to then gets sent to
the controlled computer, without caring what keyboard language or layout it
has.

Antony.


On Friday 10 May 2019 at 11:01:42, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi

I don’t know what what the @Luke etc references are because I’m a dinosaur
and have no interest in Twitter or Facebook but I’m confused by the
references to keypads. To use NVDA remote, both parties should have NVDA
configured to use the same keyboard layout and language, irrespective of
the physical computers. Think about it, the controlling is sending
keystrokes to the controlled computer, so it has to cbe configured to
understand those keystrokes.

To check what NVDA version is being used, press NVDA+f1 to open the log
file, move to the top of the log file and use the down arrow to scroll a
few lines down and there is a message stating the version of NVDA being
used.

Cheers

Chris
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ján
Kulik Sent: 10 May 2019 09:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote

hi,

@Luke: He has the latest version of this add-on installed, so I didn't
require it from him. He does not know much about these things, so I say
that his teacher has set it up for him.

@Kevin: So in the hint it is possible that we both have a keypad, that is,
a deskstop or a laptop.
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Agreed. Don't know why they haven't done it this way. It would make life much easier :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Antony Stone
 

It strikes me that it would be better for NVDA Remote to send not the
keystrokes themselves, which then need to be interpreted by the remote
machine, and rely on it having the same NVDA keyboard layout setting, but
instead to send the NVDA commands which result from those keystrokes, so that
the person on the controlling computer types some key combination on their
keyboard, and the command which this combination means to then gets sent to
the controlled computer, without caring what keyboard language or layout it
has.

Antony.

On Friday 10 May 2019 at 11:01:42, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi

I don’t know what what the @Luke etc references are because I’m a dinosaur
and have no interest in Twitter or Facebook but I’m confused by the
references to keypads. To use NVDA remote, both parties should have NVDA
configured to use the same keyboard layout and language, irrespective of
the physical computers. Think about it, the controlling is sending
keystrokes to the controlled computer, so it has to cbe configured to
understand those keystrokes.

To check what NVDA version is being used, press NVDA+f1 to open the log
file, move to the top of the log file and use the down arrow to scroll a
few lines down and there is a message stating the version of NVDA being
used.

Cheers

Chris
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ján
Kulik Sent: 10 May 2019 09:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote

hi,

@Luke: He has the latest version of this add-on installed, so I didn't
require it from him. He does not know much about these things, so I say
that his teacher has set it up for him.

@Kevin: So in the hint it is possible that we both have a keypad, that is,
a deskstop or a laptop.
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the job was already taken."

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Chris Mullins
 

Hi

I don’t know what what the @Luke etc references are because I’m a dinosaur and have no interest in Twitter or Facebook but I’m confused by the references to keypads.  To use NVDA remote, both parties should have NVDA configured to use the same keyboard layout and language, irrespective of the physical computers.  Think about it, the controlling is sending keystrokes to the controlled computer, so it has to cbe configured to understand those keystrokes.     

 

To check what NVDA version is being used, press NVDA+f1 to open the log file, move to the top of the log file and use the down arrow to scroll a few lines down and there is a message stating the version of NVDA being used.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ján Kulik
Sent: 10 May 2019 09:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote

 

hi,

@Luke: He has the latest version of this add-on installed, so I didn't require it from him. He does not know much about these things, so I say that his teacher has set it up for him.

@Kevin: So in the hint it is possible that we both have a keypad, that is, a deskstop or a laptop.

Ján Kulik
 

hi,
@Luke: He has the latest version of this add-on installed, so I didn't require it from him. He does not know much about these things, so I say that his teacher has set it up for him.
@Kevin: So in the hint it is possible that we both have a keypad, that is, a deskstop or a laptop.

Kerryn Gunness
 


the f 11 key is used to switch between the controller computer and the computer you are controlling
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Ján Kulik
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 8:23 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA remote

Hi all, Can anyone give me advice? in the instructions I read how to connect to the person via the NVDA remote. I tried everything possible, but I don't know why it still doesn't work for me. I didn't control the remote computer with the F11 key. I don't understand why. Thank!

Kevin Cussick
 

are you both using the same keyboard? it states in the user guide that you should be using the same keyboard like the same language and the same type of keyboard, like laptop or desktop.

On 09/05/2019 16:45, Ján Kulik wrote:
yes, I hear 2 tones correctly that the connection is successful. And when I hear 3 tones, it means I am connected to a control server that can control my computer.

Luke Davis
 

The solution is probably to email him, or direct him to, a link to the latest NVDA installer, and then after he successfully does that, email him a link to, or the actual file for, the latest version of NVDA remote.

Luke

On Thu, 9 May 2019, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Ján,
he doesn't know what version he has and he doesn't know what his NVDA version is.
This may well be the root cause for all of this.
Though I'd love to be wrong on this one, I'm almost sure that if you use an NVDA/NVDA Remote with a version other than that that the person you are trying
to help is using, you won't have success controlling their machine.
You'll be able to connect, though. Just what you're reporting. You can connect but you can't control the machine.
Well, I guess we found the problem. What a pity we haven't  found the solution.

 

Ján,
he doesn't know what version he has and he doesn't know what his NVDA version is.
This may well be the root cause for all of this.
Though I'd love to be wrong on this one, I'm almost sure that if you use an NVDA/NVDA Remote with a version other than that that the person you are trying to help is using, you won't have success controlling their machine.
You'll be able to connect, though. Just what you're reporting. You can connect but you can't control the machine.
Well, I guess we found the problem. What a pity we haven't  found the solution.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Em 09/05/2019 14:18, Ján Kulik disse:
Hi Marcio,
he doesn't know what version he has and he doesn't know what his NVDA version is. Everything was done by his school teacher.

Ján Kulik
 

And moreover, I have no way to help him when he doesn't even know what version he uses. And he also complained to me about Weather +, which he wasn't working on because it was broken

Ján Kulik
 

Hi Marcio,
he doesn't know what version he has and he doesn't know what his NVDA version is. Everything was done by his school teacher.

 

Ján,
Do you know if this person is using the same version of the add-on as you have? Also, the same NVDA version itself?

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

Ján Kulik
 

yes, I hear 2 tones correctly that the connection is successful. And when I hear 3 tones, it means I am connected to a control server that can control my computer.

P. Otter
 

hi,
when you press connect, you press after making a key on ok, do you hear 2 tones that the connection is right?


Op 9-5-2019 om 17:19 schreef Ján Kulik:

I did all the steps as it was written. But in vain. The key we provided to that person I entered. But I don't see the computer at all. So I don't know how I can do some things. Although I press a given key, it's completely silent, even though I switched to control remove and nothing. Of course I pressed the F11 key.

Ján Kulik
 

I did all the steps as it was written. But in vain. The key we provided to that person I entered. But I don't see the computer at all. So I don't know how I can do some things. Although I press a given key, it's completely silent, even though I switched to control remove and nothing. Of course I pressed the F11 key.

Sarah k Alawami
 

What errors are you getting etc? Did you and the person allow it through the firewalls and security protocols you might have on your machines if any?

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On 9 May 2019, at 5:23, Ján Kulik wrote:

Hi all, Can anyone give me advice? in the instructions I read how to connect to the person via the NVDA remote. I tried everything possible, but I don't know why it still doesn't work for me. I didn't control the remote computer with the F11 key. I don't understand why. Thank!

Blaster
 

I copied these instructions a while back, they worked for me, but I
haven't tried it with the newer version of remote that was mentioned
above, However, I think it will still work as these instructions are
fairly straight forward. If anything has changed, I'm sure someone
will chime in here and make a correction.


The Following is the process for setting up a NVDA remote session.

1. Go to the NVDA menu and arrow down to tools.

Expand the tools submenu with the right arrow key,
then arrow down to remote.

Expand the remote submenu with the right arrow key.

The first option will be connect.
Press enter. You will land on 2 radio buttons that say client and server.

Choose client which is the first button.

Tab once and you will land on another radio button with 2 choices,
control another computer, and allow my computer to be controlled.

Your helper will choose the button, control another computer.

Tab once and enter the NVDA remote server. It is:

www.nvdaremote.com

Tab once more. You will be in a field that asks you for a key.

You can either choose your own or have the system generate one for you.

I usually just choose a simple 4 digit key. Next, tab to the ok button.

Now what you have to do is pretty much the same,

except when you get to the radio buttons that say, control another
computer, or allow my computer to be controlled, arrow down to the
second button.

Then tab and type in the remote server name:

www.nvdaremote.com

Tab once and enter the same key that your helper chose.

Tab to the ok button and press enter.

You should hear a tone and you should be connected.

Your helper can toggle between controlling their computer and yours
with the f11 key.


HTH,
Blaster

On 5/9/19, P. Otter <pam.otter@...> wrote:
strange, my remote works fine.
you can try to restart nvda or reboot your computer per haps it helps.
what is the error message you hear?
cheers
paul otter


Op 9-5-2019 om 14:37 schreef Ján Kulik:

I have the latest version 2.2 with compatible nvda 2019.1

Ján Kulik
 

Well, strange, no report came to me here. Only that I was connected. But, I don't know why I can't control a user's computer, as I started the key and host, I don't understand. From the two switches I chose a client and in that the other two switches nsom gave a remote computer. Just like that. Only the second person must have then set to allow control of this computer not?