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Selecting a block of text.


Ali Colak
 

Hello everyone,
For a while now, I have been having problems with the select a block
of text function on nvda.
When I place the start marker by pressing nvda f9 everything is fine,
the start marker is announced. When I go to the end of the block to
press nvda f10, the curser winds back to the beginning and only
selects and places in the clipboard the first letter of the section. I
have tried this on various browsers and the same result each time and
with different types of content. I have been having this problem for a
while now and am currently using 2019.1.1. I was hoping that
installing the clip contents designer would solve the problem, but
something similar seems to happen.


help would be appreciated.


Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Ali,

Firstly, just to confirm that you are familiar with the current behaviour of selecting with the review cursor - NVDA+F9 to mark the start of the block, move to the end of the block and NVDA+F10 once to select the block or NVDA+F10 twice quickly to select and copy it.  If you use the review cursor to select and then press control+c to copy for instance, it may not work depending on whether it is possible to select text with the conventional text cursor.  If you press NVDA+f10 once and NVDA reports "Cannot select text, press twice to copy", then you will need to copy by pressing NVDA+F10 twice quickly.

It might be worth restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled, just to ensure there are no add-ons playing up.  Press NVDA+Q then down arrow to "Restart with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER to restart, then try again.

Otherwise, if you set the log to debug (in the general settings with NVDA+control+g then tab to the log level, down arrow to select debug and enter to close), repeat the actions and then copy the log to an email to me, I can have a look at exactly what is going on.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:45 AM Ali Colak <alish54@...> wrote:
Hello everyone,
For a while now, I have been having problems with the select a block
of text function on nvda.
When I place the start marker by pressing nvda f9 everything is fine,
the start marker is announced. When I go to the end of the block to
press nvda f10, the curser winds back to the beginning and only
selects and places in the clipboard the first letter of the section. I
have tried this on various browsers and the same result each time and
with different types of content. I have been having this problem for a
while now and am currently using 2019.1.1. I was hoping that
installing the clip contents designer would solve the problem, but
something similar seems to happen.


help would be appreciated.





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


 

hi quentin.
its the issue that i can confirm too!
i thought that maybe there is some problem in my windows, but now, i
am happy that someone confirmed my issue, and wished that you present
us a working solution.
i only tested with firefox and nvda selection sometimes works, sometimes not.
for example: i press f9 when i am in a particular heading.
then i press f10 for going to the next heading, i wish to select
entire content of previous heading, and its the reason that when i go
to next heading, press f10 to all content of previous heading to be
selected, that sometimes i observe the mentioned issue and sometimes
not!
i dont use addons, so, certainly its not related to addons.

On 5/22/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Ali,

Firstly, just to confirm that you are familiar with the current behaviour
of selecting with the review cursor - NVDA+F9 to mark the start of the
block, move to the end of the block and NVDA+F10 once to select the block
or NVDA+F10 twice quickly to select and copy it. If you use the review
cursor to select and then press control+c to copy for instance, it may not
work depending on whether it is possible to select text with the
conventional text cursor. If you press NVDA+f10 once and NVDA reports
"Cannot select text, press twice to copy", then you will need to copy by
pressing NVDA+F10 twice quickly.

It might be worth restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled, just to ensure
there are no add-ons playing up. Press NVDA+Q then down arrow to "Restart
with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER to restart, then try again.

Otherwise, if you set the log to debug (in the general settings with
NVDA+control+g then tab to the log level, down arrow to select debug and
enter to close), repeat the actions and then copy the log to an email to
me, I can have a look at exactly what is going on.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:45 AM Ali Colak <alish54@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,
For a while now, I have been having problems with the select a block
of text function on nvda.
When I place the start marker by pressing nvda f9 everything is fine,
the start marker is announced. When I go to the end of the block to
press nvda f10, the curser winds back to the beginning and only
selects and places in the clipboard the first letter of the section. I
have tried this on various browsers and the same result each time and
with different types of content. I have been having this problem for a
while now and am currently using 2019.1.1. I was hoping that
installing the clip contents designer would solve the problem, but
something similar seems to happen.


help would be appreciated.



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Ali Colak
 

Hello Quentin,
I tried restarting without addons and it didn't work. Could you tell
me how to find and send the logs. That I think is the best solution.

Thanks a lot for your help.
Ali

On 5/21/19, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi quentin.
its the issue that i can confirm too!
i thought that maybe there is some problem in my windows, but now, i
am happy that someone confirmed my issue, and wished that you present
us a working solution.
i only tested with firefox and nvda selection sometimes works, sometimes
not.
for example: i press f9 when i am in a particular heading.
then i press f10 for going to the next heading, i wish to select
entire content of previous heading, and its the reason that when i go
to next heading, press f10 to all content of previous heading to be
selected, that sometimes i observe the mentioned issue and sometimes
not!
i dont use addons, so, certainly its not related to addons.

On 5/22/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Ali,

Firstly, just to confirm that you are familiar with the current behaviour
of selecting with the review cursor - NVDA+F9 to mark the start of the
block, move to the end of the block and NVDA+F10 once to select the block
or NVDA+F10 twice quickly to select and copy it. If you use the review
cursor to select and then press control+c to copy for instance, it may
not
work depending on whether it is possible to select text with the
conventional text cursor. If you press NVDA+f10 once and NVDA reports
"Cannot select text, press twice to copy", then you will need to copy by
pressing NVDA+F10 twice quickly.

It might be worth restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled, just to ensure
there are no add-ons playing up. Press NVDA+Q then down arrow to
"Restart
with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER to restart, then try again.

Otherwise, if you set the log to debug (in the general settings with
NVDA+control+g then tab to the log level, down arrow to select debug and
enter to close), repeat the actions and then copy the log to an email to
me, I can have a look at exactly what is going on.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:45 AM Ali Colak <alish54@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,
For a while now, I have been having problems with the select a block
of text function on nvda.
When I place the start marker by pressing nvda f9 everything is fine,
the start marker is announced. When I go to the end of the block to
press nvda f10, the curser winds back to the beginning and only
selects and places in the clipboard the first letter of the section. I
have tried this on various browsers and the same result each time and
with different types of content. I have been having this problem for a
while now and am currently using 2019.1.1. I was hoping that
installing the clip contents designer would solve the problem, but
something similar seems to happen.


help would be appreciated.



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali




Quentin Christensen
 

With Zahra's example,

If you press H to jump to a heading, press NVDA+F9 to start marking, then press H to jump to the next heading and NVDA+F10 twice to copy, it will copy the first heading, and everything up to the second heading, plus the first letter of the second heading.  The extra character at the end is because when selecting text in say Word, you select up to the character past the last one you want - in a read only text field, you often cannot move past the last character, so it selects that extra character.

I just tried that on a couple of pages in Firefox and it seemed to work.  Zahra, are there particular pages where it doesn't work, or if you try on the NV Access page for instance, will it work one time, but not the next (and does it give an error?)

Ali,

You can find the NVDA logs in the %temp% folder.  Press WINDOWS+R, type %temp% and press ENTER then look for either nvda.log (the log for the current session of NVDA) or nvda-old.log (the log for the previous time NVDA was run.

You can email me off-list at info@... (since you can't attach files to a message to the list).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 11:07 AM Ali Colak <alish54@...> wrote:
Hello Quentin,
  I tried restarting without addons and it didn't work. Could you tell
me how to find and send the logs. That I think is the best solution.

Thanks a lot for your help.
Ali

On 5/21/19, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
> hi quentin.
> its the issue that i can confirm too!
> i thought that maybe there is some problem in my windows, but now, i
> am happy that someone confirmed my issue, and wished that you present
> us a working solution.
> i only tested with firefox and nvda selection sometimes works, sometimes
> not.
> for example: i press f9 when i am in a particular heading.
> then i press f10 for going to the next heading, i wish to select
> entire content of previous heading, and its the reason that when i go
> to next heading, press f10 to all content of previous heading to be
> selected, that sometimes i observe the mentioned issue and sometimes
> not!
> i dont use addons, so, certainly its not related to addons.
>
> On 5/22/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>> Hi Ali,
>>
>> Firstly, just to confirm that you are familiar with the current behaviour
>> of selecting with the review cursor - NVDA+F9 to mark the start of the
>> block, move to the end of the block and NVDA+F10 once to select the block
>> or NVDA+F10 twice quickly to select and copy it.  If you use the review
>> cursor to select and then press control+c to copy for instance, it may
>> not
>> work depending on whether it is possible to select text with the
>> conventional text cursor.  If you press NVDA+f10 once and NVDA reports
>> "Cannot select text, press twice to copy", then you will need to copy by
>> pressing NVDA+F10 twice quickly.
>>
>> It might be worth restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled, just to ensure
>> there are no add-ons playing up.  Press NVDA+Q then down arrow to
>> "Restart
>> with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER to restart, then try again.
>>
>> Otherwise, if you set the log to debug (in the general settings with
>> NVDA+control+g then tab to the log level, down arrow to select debug and
>> enter to close), repeat the actions and then copy the log to an email to
>> me, I can have a look at exactly what is going on.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:45 AM Ali Colak <alish54@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> For a while now, I have been having problems with the select a block
>>> of text function on nvda.
>>> When I place the start marker by pressing nvda f9 everything is fine,
>>> the start marker is announced. When I go to the end of the block to
>>> press nvda f10, the curser winds back to the beginning and only
>>> selects and places in the clipboard the first letter of the section. I
>>> have tried this on various browsers and the same result each time and
>>> with different types of content. I have been having this problem for a
>>> while now and am currently using 2019.1.1. I was hoping that
>>> installing the clip contents designer would solve the problem, but
>>> something similar seems to happen.
>>>
>>>
>>> help would be appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training and Support Manager
>>
>> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>> www.nvaccess.org
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> By God,
> were I given all the seven heavens
> with all they contain
> in order that
> I may disobey God
> by depriving an ant
> from the husk of a grain of barley,
> I would not do it.
> imam ali
>
>
>
>





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


 

i tested with nvaccess and it worked for me.
i dont remember exact book or exact web page that i can reproduce the
issue forever and introduce it to you.
but i remember, i observed this issue mainly in Islamic books which i
download from:
www.al-islam.org

On 5/22/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
With Zahra's example,

If you press H to jump to a heading, press NVDA+F9 to start marking, then
press H to jump to the next heading and NVDA+F10 twice to copy, it will
copy the first heading, and everything up to the second heading, plus the
first letter of the second heading. The extra character at the end is
because when selecting text in say Word, you select up to the character
past the last one you want - in a read only text field, you often cannot
move past the last character, so it selects that extra character.

I just tried that on a couple of pages in Firefox and it seemed to work.
Zahra, are there particular pages where it doesn't work, or if you try on
the NV Access page for instance, will it work one time, but not the next
(and does it give an error?)

Ali,

You can find the NVDA logs in the %temp% folder. Press WINDOWS+R, type
%temp% and press ENTER then look for either nvda.log (the log for the
current session of NVDA) or nvda-old.log (the log for the previous time
NVDA was run.

You can email me off-list at info@... (since you can't attach
files to a message to the list).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 11:07 AM Ali Colak <alish54@...> wrote:

Hello Quentin,
I tried restarting without addons and it didn't work. Could you tell
me how to find and send the logs. That I think is the best solution.

Thanks a lot for your help.
Ali

On 5/21/19, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi quentin.
its the issue that i can confirm too!
i thought that maybe there is some problem in my windows, but now, i
am happy that someone confirmed my issue, and wished that you present
us a working solution.
i only tested with firefox and nvda selection sometimes works,
sometimes
not.
for example: i press f9 when i am in a particular heading.
then i press f10 for going to the next heading, i wish to select
entire content of previous heading, and its the reason that when i go
to next heading, press f10 to all content of previous heading to be
selected, that sometimes i observe the mentioned issue and sometimes
not!
i dont use addons, so, certainly its not related to addons.

On 5/22/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Ali,

Firstly, just to confirm that you are familiar with the current
behaviour
of selecting with the review cursor - NVDA+F9 to mark the start of the
block, move to the end of the block and NVDA+F10 once to select the
block
or NVDA+F10 twice quickly to select and copy it. If you use the
review
cursor to select and then press control+c to copy for instance, it may
not
work depending on whether it is possible to select text with the
conventional text cursor. If you press NVDA+f10 once and NVDA reports
"Cannot select text, press twice to copy", then you will need to copy
by
pressing NVDA+F10 twice quickly.

It might be worth restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled, just to
ensure
there are no add-ons playing up. Press NVDA+Q then down arrow to
"Restart
with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER to restart, then try again.

Otherwise, if you set the log to debug (in the general settings with
NVDA+control+g then tab to the log level, down arrow to select debug
and
enter to close), repeat the actions and then copy the log to an email
to
me, I can have a look at exactly what is going on.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:45 AM Ali Colak <alish54@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,
For a while now, I have been having problems with the select a block
of text function on nvda.
When I place the start marker by pressing nvda f9 everything is fine,
the start marker is announced. When I go to the end of the block to
press nvda f10, the curser winds back to the beginning and only
selects and places in the clipboard the first letter of the section.
I
have tried this on various browsers and the same result each time and
with different types of content. I have been having this problem for
a
while now and am currently using 2019.1.1. I was hoping that
installing the clip contents designer would solve the problem, but
something similar seems to happen.


help would be appreciated.



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Luke Davis
 

Hi Ali

You wrote:

I tried restarting without addons and it didn't work. Could you tell
That is probably because you most likely have NVDA exit options turned off.

So, a way to restart without addons without having to change any of your settings, is to do this:

Press your windows key and the letter r.

In the window that appears, type the following:

nvda -r --disable-addons

Then press enter. Make sure you get the dashes in the right places.

That should restart nvda with all addons disabled temporarily (until you start it again).

Hth.

Luke


Ali Colak
 

Thanks Luke, but even with all the addons disabled it doesn't work.
I've sent the log to Quentin and hope there is a solution.

On 5/21/19, Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:
Hi Ali

You wrote:

I tried restarting without addons and it didn't work. Could you tell
That is probably because you most likely have NVDA exit options turned off.

So, a way to restart without addons without having to change any of your
settings, is to do this:

Press your windows key and the letter r.

In the window that appears, type the following:

nvda -r --disable-addons

Then press enter. Make sure you get the dashes in the right places.

That should restart nvda with all addons disabled temporarily (until you
start
it again).

Hth.

Luke





Chris Mullins
 

Hi

I have done some testing and if you set “Caret moves review cursor” (NVDA + 6 on number row), to ON, the copy using review cursor feature works, if it is set to off, it just copies the last character selected to the clipboard.

 

Cheers

Chris   

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 22 May 2019 01:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: NVDA Official Group
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting a block of text.

 

Hi Ali,

 

Firstly, just to confirm that you are familiar with the current behaviour of selecting with the review cursor - NVDA+F9 to mark the start of the block, move to the end of the block and NVDA+F10 once to select the block or NVDA+F10 twice quickly to select and copy it.  If you use the review cursor to select and then press control+c to copy for instance, it may not work depending on whether it is possible to select text with the conventional text cursor.  If you press NVDA+f10 once and NVDA reports "Cannot select text, press twice to copy", then you will need to copy by pressing NVDA+F10 twice quickly.

 

It might be worth restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled, just to ensure there are no add-ons playing up.  Press NVDA+Q then down arrow to "Restart with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER to restart, then try again.

 

Otherwise, if you set the log to debug (in the general settings with NVDA+control+g then tab to the log level, down arrow to select debug and enter to close), repeat the actions and then copy the log to an email to me, I can have a look at exactly what is going on.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:45 AM Ali Colak <alish54@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,
For a while now, I have been having problems with the select a block
of text function on nvda.
When I place the start marker by pressing nvda f9 everything is fine,
the start marker is announced. When I go to the end of the block to
press nvda f10, the curser winds back to the beginning and only
selects and places in the clipboard the first letter of the section. I
have tried this on various browsers and the same result each time and
with different types of content. I have been having this problem for a
while now and am currently using 2019.1.1. I was hoping that
installing the clip contents designer would solve the problem, but
something similar seems to happen.


help would be appreciated.



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


 

hi.
where is caret move cursor in preferences?
how can i know whether its activated for me or not?

On 5/22/19, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:
Hi

I have done some testing and if you set “Caret moves review cursor” (NVDA +
6 on number row), to ON, the copy using review cursor feature works, if it
is set to off, it just copies the last character selected to the clipboard.



Cheers

Chris



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin
Christensen
Sent: 22 May 2019 01:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: NVDA Official Group
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting a block of text.



Hi Ali,



Firstly, just to confirm that you are familiar with the current behaviour of
selecting with the review cursor - NVDA+F9 to mark the start of the block,
move to the end of the block and NVDA+F10 once to select the block or
NVDA+F10 twice quickly to select and copy it. If you use the review cursor
to select and then press control+c to copy for instance, it may not work
depending on whether it is possible to select text with the conventional
text cursor. If you press NVDA+f10 once and NVDA reports "Cannot select
text, press twice to copy", then you will need to copy by pressing NVDA+F10
twice quickly.



It might be worth restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled, just to ensure
there are no add-ons playing up. Press NVDA+Q then down arrow to "Restart
with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER to restart, then try again.



Otherwise, if you set the log to debug (in the general settings with
NVDA+control+g then tab to the log level, down arrow to select debug and
enter to close), repeat the actions and then copy the log to an email to me,
I can have a look at exactly what is going on.



Kind regards



Quentin.



On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:45 AM Ali Colak <alish54@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,
For a while now, I have been having problems with the select a block
of text function on nvda.
When I place the start marker by pressing nvda f9 everything is fine,
the start marker is announced. When I go to the end of the block to
press nvda f10, the curser winds back to the beginning and only
selects and places in the clipboard the first letter of the section. I
have tried this on various browsers and the same result each time and
with different types of content. I have been having this problem for a
while now and am currently using 2019.1.1. I was hoping that
installing the clip contents designer would solve the problem, but
something similar seems to happen.


help would be appreciated.









--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
<http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/



<http://www.nvaccess.org/> www.nvaccess.org

Facebook: <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Quentin Christensen
 

Chris,

Great work!  I had tested NVDA+7, but then had neglected to test NVDA+6, oops!

Zahra, you can either press NVDA+6 and it should toggle the setting, otherwise it is in NVDA's "Review Cursor" settings.  For you (using NVDA 2017.3 from memory?) press NVDA+n, then p for preferences then down arrow to "Review cursor settings" and press ENTER.  For those using newer versions of NVDA, you can press NVDA+control+g to open the general settings, then CONTROL+TAB down from there.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 7:53 PM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi.
where is caret move cursor in preferences?
how can i know whether its activated for me or not?

On 5/22/19, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have done some testing and if you set “Caret moves review cursor” (NVDA +
> 6 on number row), to ON, the copy using review cursor feature works, if it
> is set to off, it just copies the last character selected to the clipboard.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin
> Christensen
> Sent: 22 May 2019 01:19
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Cc: NVDA Official Group
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting a block of text.
>
>
>
> Hi Ali,
>
>
>
> Firstly, just to confirm that you are familiar with the current behaviour of
> selecting with the review cursor - NVDA+F9 to mark the start of the block,
> move to the end of the block and NVDA+F10 once to select the block or
> NVDA+F10 twice quickly to select and copy it.  If you use the review cursor
> to select and then press control+c to copy for instance, it may not work
> depending on whether it is possible to select text with the conventional
> text cursor.  If you press NVDA+f10 once and NVDA reports "Cannot select
> text, press twice to copy", then you will need to copy by pressing NVDA+F10
> twice quickly.
>
>
>
> It might be worth restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled, just to ensure
> there are no add-ons playing up.  Press NVDA+Q then down arrow to "Restart
> with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER to restart, then try again.
>
>
>
> Otherwise, if you set the log to debug (in the general settings with
> NVDA+control+g then tab to the log level, down arrow to select debug and
> enter to close), repeat the actions and then copy the log to an email to me,
> I can have a look at exactly what is going on.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Quentin.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:45 AM Ali Colak <alish54@...> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
> For a while now, I have been having problems with the select a block
> of text function on nvda.
> When I place the start marker by pressing nvda f9 everything is fine,
> the start marker is announced. When I go to the end of the block to
> press nvda f10, the curser winds back to the beginning and only
> selects and places in the clipboard the first letter of the section. I
> have tried this on various browsers and the same result each time and
> with different types of content. I have been having this problem for a
> while now and am currently using 2019.1.1. I was hoping that
> installing the clip contents designer would solve the problem, but
> something similar seems to happen.
>
>
> help would be appreciated.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
>
>
> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
>
>
>  <http://www.nvaccess.org/> www.nvaccess.org
>
> Facebook:  <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
> http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





--
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Training and Support Manager

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thanks quentin for your great advice.
do you mean this option?
Follow System Caret
if so, this preference is always enabled for me, but unfortunately
sometimes nvda selection does not work for me, but most of times
works!
and as i promised, i use 2017.2 forever, not 2017.3
quentin,
thanks again for your great support, i always say with sincerity and
honesty that i dont forget you in my praying.

On 5/22/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Chris,

Great work! I had tested NVDA+7, but then had neglected to test NVDA+6,
oops!

Zahra, you can either press NVDA+6 and it should toggle the setting,
otherwise it is in NVDA's "Review Cursor" settings. For you (using NVDA
2017.3 from memory?) press NVDA+n, then p for preferences then down arrow
to "Review cursor settings" and press ENTER. For those using newer
versions of NVDA, you can press NVDA+control+g to open the general
settings, then CONTROL+TAB down from there.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 7:53 PM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hi.
where is caret move cursor in preferences?
how can i know whether its activated for me or not?

On 5/22/19, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:
Hi

I have done some testing and if you set “Caret moves review cursor”
(NVDA +
6 on number row), to ON, the copy using review cursor feature works, if
it
is set to off, it just copies the last character selected to the
clipboard.



Cheers

Chris



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Quentin
Christensen
Sent: 22 May 2019 01:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: NVDA Official Group
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting a block of text.



Hi Ali,



Firstly, just to confirm that you are familiar with the current
behaviour of
selecting with the review cursor - NVDA+F9 to mark the start of the
block,
move to the end of the block and NVDA+F10 once to select the block or
NVDA+F10 twice quickly to select and copy it. If you use the review
cursor
to select and then press control+c to copy for instance, it may not
work
depending on whether it is possible to select text with the
conventional
text cursor. If you press NVDA+f10 once and NVDA reports "Cannot
select
text, press twice to copy", then you will need to copy by pressing
NVDA+F10
twice quickly.



It might be worth restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled, just to ensure
there are no add-ons playing up. Press NVDA+Q then down arrow to
"Restart
with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER to restart, then try again.



Otherwise, if you set the log to debug (in the general settings with
NVDA+control+g then tab to the log level, down arrow to select debug
and
enter to close), repeat the actions and then copy the log to an email
to
me,
I can have a look at exactly what is going on.



Kind regards



Quentin.



On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:45 AM Ali Colak <alish54@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,
For a while now, I have been having problems with the select a block
of text function on nvda.
When I place the start marker by pressing nvda f9 everything is fine,
the start marker is announced. When I go to the end of the block to
press nvda f10, the curser winds back to the beginning and only
selects and places in the clipboard the first letter of the section. I
have tried this on various browsers and the same result each time and
with different types of content. I have been having this problem for a
while now and am currently using 2019.1.1. I was hoping that
installing the clip contents designer would solve the problem, but
something similar seems to happen.


help would be appreciated.









--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
<http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/



<http://www.nvaccess.org/> www.nvaccess.org

Facebook: <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Gene
 

Use control c and control v in browsers.  The commands you are using are intended for times when there is no cursor or virtual cursor.  Browse mode uses a virtual cursor.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Ali Colak
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 6:44 PM
Subject: [nvda] Selecting a block of text.

Hello everyone,
For a while now, I have been having problems with the select a block
of text function on nvda.
When I place the start marker by pressing nvda f9 everything is fine,
the start marker is announced. When I go to the end of the block to
press nvda f10, the curser winds back to the beginning and only
selects and places in the clipboard the first letter of the section. I
have tried this on various browsers and the same result each time and
with different types of content. I have been having this problem for a
while now and am currently using 2019.1.1. I was hoping that
installing the clip contents designer would solve the problem, but
something similar seems to happen.


help would be appreciated.



Gene
 

Which makes perfect sense since you are copying from the position of the object navigator.  People may wish to use this procedure in other contexts, but it is intended to be used at times when there is no application cursor and where, for that reason, control c and control v won't work. I also suspect it may matter whether you are in screen review mode or in object navigation mode.  I suspect you should be in object navigation mode.  if so, this is another example of why NVDA should revert to object navigation mode automatically when you leave the window you are using screen review in.  How many such examples need to be seen before this is really seriously considered?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 4:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting a block of text.

Hi

I have done some testing and if you set “Caret moves review cursor” (NVDA + 6 on number row), to ON, the copy using review cursor feature works, if it is set to off, it just copies the last character selected to the clipboard.

 

Cheers

Chris   

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 22 May 2019 01:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: NVDA Official Group
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting a block of text.

 

Hi Ali,

 

Firstly, just to confirm that you are familiar with the current behaviour of selecting with the review cursor - NVDA+F9 to mark the start of the block, move to the end of the block and NVDA+F10 once to select the block or NVDA+F10 twice quickly to select and copy it.  If you use the review cursor to select and then press control+c to copy for instance, it may not work depending on whether it is possible to select text with the conventional text cursor.  If you press NVDA+f10 once and NVDA reports "Cannot select text, press twice to copy", then you will need to copy by pressing NVDA+F10 twice quickly.

 

It might be worth restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled, just to ensure there are no add-ons playing up.  Press NVDA+Q then down arrow to "Restart with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER to restart, then try again.

 

Otherwise, if you set the log to debug (in the general settings with NVDA+control+g then tab to the log level, down arrow to select debug and enter to close), repeat the actions and then copy the log to an email to me, I can have a look at exactly what is going on.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:45 AM Ali Colak <alish54@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,
For a while now, I have been having problems with the select a block
of text function on nvda.
When I place the start marker by pressing nvda f9 everything is fine,
the start marker is announced. When I go to the end of the block to
press nvda f10, the curser winds back to the beginning and only
selects and places in the clipboard the first letter of the section. I
have tried this on various browsers and the same result each time and
with different types of content. I have been having this problem for a
while now and am currently using 2019.1.1. I was hoping that
installing the clip contents designer would solve the problem, but
something similar seems to happen.


help would be appreciated.



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Gene
 

Its on by default.  If it wasn't on, you'd know it.  Using screen review commands like numpad 8 for read current navigator position wouldn't be where you are when editing a document.  You probably wouldn't even be in the same window.  It can be found in what I believe is still called review cursor settings but I don't know how you get to that item in the new interface.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 4:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting a block of text.

hi.
where is caret move cursor in preferences?
how can i know whether its activated for me or not?

On 5/22/19, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have done some testing and if you set “Caret moves review cursor” (NVDA +
> 6 on number row), to ON, the copy using review cursor feature works, if it
> is set to off, it just copies the last character selected to the clipboard.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin
> Christensen
> Sent: 22 May 2019 01:19
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Cc: NVDA Official Group
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting a block of text.
>
>
>
> Hi Ali,
>
>
>
> Firstly, just to confirm that you are familiar with the current behaviour of
> selecting with the review cursor - NVDA+F9 to mark the start of the block,
> move to the end of the block and NVDA+F10 once to select the block or
> NVDA+F10 twice quickly to select and copy it.  If you use the review cursor
> to select and then press control+c to copy for instance, it may not work
> depending on whether it is possible to select text with the conventional
> text cursor.  If you press NVDA+f10 once and NVDA reports "Cannot select
> text, press twice to copy", then you will need to copy by pressing NVDA+F10
> twice quickly.
>
>
>
> It might be worth restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled, just to ensure
> there are no add-ons playing up.  Press NVDA+Q then down arrow to "Restart
> with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER to restart, then try again.
>
>
>
> Otherwise, if you set the log to debug (in the general settings with
> NVDA+control+g then tab to the log level, down arrow to select debug and
> enter to close), repeat the actions and then copy the log to an email to me,
> I can have a look at exactly what is going on.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Quentin.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:45 AM Ali Colak <alish54@...> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
> For a while now, I have been having problems with the select a block
> of text function on nvda.
> When I place the start marker by pressing nvda f9 everything is fine,
> the start marker is announced. When I go to the end of the block to
> press nvda f10, the curser winds back to the beginning and only
> selects and places in the clipboard the first letter of the section. I
> have tried this on various browsers and the same result each time and
> with different types of content. I have been having this problem for a
> while now and am currently using 2019.1.1. I was hoping that
> installing the clip contents designer would solve the problem, but
> something similar seems to happen.
>
>
> help would be appreciated.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
>
>
> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
>
>
>  <http://www.nvaccess.org/> www.nvaccess.org
>
> Facebook:  <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
> http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



Ali Colak
 

Fixing the system caret did it for me.
Thanks Chris and Quentin!

On 5/22/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Its on by default. If it wasn't on, you'd know it. Using screen review
commands like numpad 8 for read current navigator position wouldn't be where
you are when editing a document. You probably wouldn't even be in the same
window. It can be found in what I believe is still called review cursor
settings but I don't know how you get to that item in the new interface.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 4:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting a block of text.


hi.
where is caret move cursor in preferences?
how can i know whether its activated for me or not?

On 5/22/19, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:
Hi

I have done some testing and if you set “Caret moves review cursor” (NVDA
+
6 on number row), to ON, the copy using review cursor feature works, if
it
is set to off, it just copies the last character selected to the
clipboard.



Cheers

Chris



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Quentin
Christensen
Sent: 22 May 2019 01:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: NVDA Official Group
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting a block of text.



Hi Ali,



Firstly, just to confirm that you are familiar with the current behaviour
of
selecting with the review cursor - NVDA+F9 to mark the start of the
block,
move to the end of the block and NVDA+F10 once to select the block or
NVDA+F10 twice quickly to select and copy it. If you use the review
cursor
to select and then press control+c to copy for instance, it may not work
depending on whether it is possible to select text with the conventional
text cursor. If you press NVDA+f10 once and NVDA reports "Cannot select
text, press twice to copy", then you will need to copy by pressing
NVDA+F10
twice quickly.



It might be worth restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled, just to ensure
there are no add-ons playing up. Press NVDA+Q then down arrow to
"Restart
with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER to restart, then try again.



Otherwise, if you set the log to debug (in the general settings with
NVDA+control+g then tab to the log level, down arrow to select debug and
enter to close), repeat the actions and then copy the log to an email to
me,
I can have a look at exactly what is going on.



Kind regards



Quentin.



On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:45 AM Ali Colak <alish54@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,
For a while now, I have been having problems with the select a block
of text function on nvda.
When I place the start marker by pressing nvda f9 everything is fine,
the start marker is announced. When I go to the end of the block to
press nvda f10, the curser winds back to the beginning and only
selects and places in the clipboard the first letter of the section. I
have tried this on various browsers and the same result each time and
with different types of content. I have been having this problem for a
while now and am currently using 2019.1.1. I was hoping that
installing the clip contents designer would solve the problem, but
something similar seems to happen.


help would be appreciated.









--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
<http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/



<http://www.nvaccess.org/> www.nvaccess.org

Facebook: <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali