Has anyone else noticed a change in the behavior of Focus Highlight?


 

Or, perhaps more accurately, have your sighted assistant(s), as we're the ones that rely on this add-on.  It could be an NVDA change, too

Up until very recently, virtually everything generally defaulted to being in browse mode when I opened it, generally with the "thick red line" which indicates that you're in browse mode and the navigator object and focus object are one and the same.  This was particularly true when I landed on File Explorer (as a whole) and items in the list which I display using Details View.  It was also generally true in many other places.

For the last few days, everything seems to be opening in focus mode that used to be opening in browse mode, and what's weirder is I can't get the mode to toggle.  I was trying to play with doing a multi-file select with individual files in File Explorer, and could not get NVDA+space to shift me back to focus mode so I could select, move along then CTRL+select (spacebar), etc.

Even the buttons in dialogs are shown as being in focus mode when I land on them, e.g., the Winver Close button.

I am running Windows 10, Version 1809, Build 17763.529  and NVDA 2019.1.1 and Focus Highlight 6.0.  This is really peculiar, and definitely not what I've been used to.
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Quentin Christensen
 

If you disable focus highlight, does everything still automatically go to focus mode?

I just had a quick look and it seems fine here, although I realised when you mentioned you are using v6, that I am using v5.6.

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 12:13 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Or, perhaps more accurately, have your sighted assistant(s), as we're the ones that rely on this add-on.  It could be an NVDA change, too

Up until very recently, virtually everything generally defaulted to being in browse mode when I opened it, generally with the "thick red line" which indicates that you're in browse mode and the navigator object and focus object are one and the same.  This was particularly true when I landed on File Explorer (as a whole) and items in the list which I display using Details View.  It was also generally true in many other places.

For the last few days, everything seems to be opening in focus mode that used to be opening in browse mode, and what's weirder is I can't get the mode to toggle.  I was trying to play with doing a multi-file select with individual files in File Explorer, and could not get NVDA+space to shift me back to focus mode so I could select, move along then CTRL+select (spacebar), etc.

Even the buttons in dialogs are shown as being in focus mode when I land on them, e.g., the Winver Close button.

I am running Windows 10, Version 1809, Build 17763.529  and NVDA 2019.1.1 and Focus Highlight 6.0.  This is really peculiar, and definitely not what I've been used to.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

Puritanism:  The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

        ~ H.L. Mencken

 

 



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Takuya Nishimoto
 

Focus Highlight is changed in version 6.0, to address the issue with
NVDA 2019.2.

https://github.com/nvdajp/focusHighlight/issues/13

I understand it is confusing for the users of previous versions,
however, the new behavior is more straightforward and consistent, in
my opinion.

Best regards,
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2019年5月29日(水) 8:32 Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>:


If you disable focus highlight, does everything still automatically go to focus mode?

I just had a quick look and it seems fine here, although I realised when you mentioned you are using v6, that I am using v5.6.

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 12:13 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Or, perhaps more accurately, have your sighted assistant(s), as we're the ones that rely on this add-on. It could be an NVDA change, too

Up until very recently, virtually everything generally defaulted to being in browse mode when I opened it, generally with the "thick red line" which indicates that you're in browse mode and the navigator object and focus object are one and the same. This was particularly true when I landed on File Explorer (as a whole) and items in the list which I display using Details View. It was also generally true in many other places.

For the last few days, everything seems to be opening in focus mode that used to be opening in browse mode, and what's weirder is I can't get the mode to toggle. I was trying to play with doing a multi-file select with individual files in File Explorer, and could not get NVDA+space to shift me back to focus mode so I could select, move along then CTRL+select (spacebar), etc.

Even the buttons in dialogs are shown as being in focus mode when I land on them, e.g., the Winver Close button.

I am running Windows 10, Version 1809, Build 17763.529 and NVDA 2019.1.1 and Focus Highlight 6.0. This is really peculiar, and definitely not what I've been used to.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

~ H.L. Mencken





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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess


 

Well, the behavior isn't "more straightforward" in mine, nor does it match the behavior stated in the documentation, and I quote:  
  • Blue thick dotted line rectangle indicates NVDA is in focus mode, i.e., key types are passed to the control.
Unless text input is permitted (key types) in a form field or similar, key presses are not passed anywhere.  In File Explorer, when traversing the files/folders list, each and every file/folder is shown with the blue thick dotted outline, even when one is not in rename [or initial naming] mode, which is the only time one is in focus mode when it comes to files/folders.

Even in Windows parlance, one is browsing in File Explorer when looking for a file.   As far as I'm concerned, the visual presentation should be a direct indicator of what you are doing at that moment, and the blue dashed outline is completely misleading in the vast majority of circumstances where it now appears.

What it comes down to is if it isn't an editable text field of some sort then you're not really in focus mode as shown by the blue dotted line.


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Puritanism:  The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

        ~ H.L. Mencken

 

 


Takuya Nishimoto
 

Hello,

The development version of focusHighlight is as follows.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9z3ar6vu116jxzm/focusHighlight-6.1-dev.nvda-addon?dl=0

This version uses nvda.ini.

If the following entries are added, it behaves as same as the previous versions.

```
[focusHighlight]
[[passthrough]]
defaultMode = False
thickness = 12
```

Note that the minimum tested version of this add-on is NVDA 2014.1, however,
this snapshot is only tested with the current version of NVDA.

The setting GUI is planned as well, but not yet created.

The customization work can be discussed at the issue:

https://github.com/nvdajp/focusHighlight/issues/3

Regards,

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2019年5月29日(水) 23:19 Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>:


Well, the behavior isn't "more straightforward" in mine, nor does it match the behavior stated in the documentation, and I quote:

Blue thick dotted line rectangle indicates NVDA is in focus mode, i.e., key types are passed to the control.

Unless text input is permitted (key types) in a form field or similar, key presses are not passed anywhere. In File Explorer, when traversing the files/folders list, each and every file/folder is shown with the blue thick dotted outline, even when one is not in rename [or initial naming] mode, which is the only time one is in focus mode when it comes to files/folders.

Even in Windows parlance, one is browsing in File Explorer when looking for a file. As far as I'm concerned, the visual presentation should be a direct indicator of what you are doing at that moment, and the blue dashed outline is completely misleading in the vast majority of circumstances where it now appears.

What it comes down to is if it isn't an editable text field of some sort then you're not really in focus mode as shown by the blue dotted line.


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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

~ H.L. Mencken