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Don H
Running Win 10 and have IE set as my default browser. When I select help within the NVDA menu it opens the help documentation in MS Edge. Is there a way to get it to open within IE or is there a way to get this documentation in txt format?
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Andre Fisher
1. Press Windows key+I to go to the Settings app.
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2. Depending on which version of Windows 10 you are using, you might need to Tab till you hear System. Press Enter on it. 3. Use the Down Arrow until you hear Default Apps. Press Enter 4. Press Tab continuously till you hear Web browser: Microsoft Edge or otherwise. 5. Press Enter and Tab to Internet Explorer. Press Enter and close the app. That's it! On 11/23/16, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
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Don H
As I said following your steps I have IE set as my default browser. Help documents still open in Edge.
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On 11/23/2016 9:58 AM, Andre Fisher wrote:
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Gene
Open Internet Explorer and see what happens if you
issue the command f1.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
Help documents still open in Edge. On 11/23/2016 9:58 AM, Andre Fisher wrote: > 1. Press Windows key+I to go to the Settings app. > 2. Depending on which version of Windows 10 you are using, you might > need to Tab till you hear System. Press Enter on it. > 3. Use the Down Arrow until you hear Default Apps. Press Enter > 4. Press Tab continuously till you hear Web browser: Microsoft Edge or > otherwise. > 5. Press Enter and Tab to Internet Explorer. > Press Enter and close the app. > > That's it! > > On 11/23/16, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote: >> Running Win 10 and have IE set as my default browser. When I select >> help within the NVDA menu it opens the help documentation in MS Edge. >> Is there a way to get it to open within IE or is there a way to get this >> documentation in txt format? >> Thanks >> >> >> >> > > > > |
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Don H
With IE open F1 brings up the IE help using IE.
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On 11/23/2016 10:14 AM, Gene wrote:
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Hi,
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The corrected instruction is to go to IE, then open NVDA menu/help, then select the item you want. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 8:35 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu With IE open F1 brings up the IE help using IE. On 11/23/2016 10:14 AM, Gene wrote: Open Internet Explorer and see what happens if you issue the command f1. |
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Gene
Does that solve the problem? I believe you
were specifically asking about how to get help for Internet Explorer in Internet
Explorer. For other programs where this happens, you should be able to
open at least the main help document from within the program. F1 often
brings it up. If not, look in the menus. When getting to know an
unfamiliar program, looking through the menus is often a good way to learn many
things.
Gee
On 11/23/2016 10:14 AM, Gene wrote: > Open Internet Explorer and see what happens if you issue the command f1. > > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...> > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:05 AM > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] help menu > > As I said following your steps I have IE set as my default browser. > Help documents still open in Edge. > > On 11/23/2016 9:58 AM, Andre Fisher wrote: >> 1. Press Windows key+I to go to the Settings app. >> 2. Depending on which version of Windows 10 you are using, you might >> need to Tab till you hear System. Press Enter on it. >> 3. Use the Down Arrow until you hear Default Apps. Press Enter >> 4. Press Tab continuously till you hear Web browser: Microsoft Edge or >> otherwise. >> 5. Press Enter and Tab to Internet Explorer. >> Press Enter and close the app. >> >> That's it! >> >> On 11/23/16, Don H <lmddh50@... <mailto:lmddh50@...>> > wrote: >>> Running Win 10 and have IE set as my default browser. When I select >>> help within the NVDA menu it opens the help documentation in MS Edge. >>> Is there a way to get it to open within IE or is there a way to get this >>> documentation in txt format? >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > |
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Don H
Maybe I didn't make myself clear regarding the problem. When I open the NVDA menu move down and expand the help menu and press enter on user guide the guide opens in Edge. I have IE set as my default browser.
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On 11/23/2016 10:48 AM, Gene wrote:
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Don H
Sorry if I follow your instructions and have IE open before opening the NVDA menu then select the user guide from the help menu it opens in Edge not IE.
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On 11/23/2016 10:42 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
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Gene
I'm not sure why that is but one solution might be
that once it opens, copy the address from the address bar in Edge and then
close Edge. Open Internet Explorer, paste the address into Internet
Explorer and open the page there.
Then make a favorite so you can open it directly in
Internet Explorer.
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NVDA menu move down and expand the help menu and press enter on user guide the guide opens in Edge. I have IE set as my default browser. On 11/23/2016 10:48 AM, Gene wrote: > Does that solve the problem? I believe you were specifically asking > about how to get help for Internet Explorer in Internet Explorer. For > other programs where this happens, you should be able to open at least > the main help document from within the program. F1 often brings it up. > If not, look in the menus. When getting to know an unfamiliar program, > looking through the menus is often a good way to learn many things. > > Gee > > *From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...> > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:34 AM > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] help menu > > With IE open F1 brings up the IE help using IE. > > On 11/23/2016 10:14 AM, Gene wrote: >> Open Internet Explorer and see what happens if you issue the command f1. >> >> Gene >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:05 AM >> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] help menu >> >> As I said following your steps I have IE set as my default browser. >> Help documents still open in Edge. >> >> On 11/23/2016 9:58 AM, Andre Fisher wrote: >>> 1. Press Windows key+I to go to the Settings app. >>> 2. Depending on which version of Windows 10 you are using, you might >>> need to Tab till you hear System. Press Enter on it. >>> 3. Use the Down Arrow until you hear Default Apps. Press Enter >>> 4. Press Tab continuously till you hear Web browser: Microsoft Edge or >>> otherwise. >>> 5. Press Enter and Tab to Internet Explorer. >>> Press Enter and close the app. >>> >>> That's it! >>> >>> On 11/23/16, Don H <lmddh50@... <mailto:lmddh50@...> > <mailto:lmddh50@...>> >> wrote: >>>> Running Win 10 and have IE set as my default browser. When I select >>>> help within the NVDA menu it opens the help documentation in MS Edge. >>>> Is there a way to get it to open within IE or is there a way to get this >>>> documentation in txt format? >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > |
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Don, If you are positive that you have IE set as your default app for web browsing then the only thing I can suggest is setting something else (other than Edge) temporarily to see if that forces things to open in the chosen browser, then switch it back to IE. There is no reason for anything other than Cortana initiated web searches to open in Edge if you have reassigned your default browser to something else. It sounds like although it's showing IE as your default that something under the hood didn't actually "take." If switching it to something else doesn't make the behavior change then I'd suggest running SFC and DISM (more details later, if needed) to see if you have some sort of system file damage/corruption that can be repaired. Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t. ~ Lauren Bacall
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Don H
I think I have figured it out. The user guide is a html file. Even though I have IE set as my browser I have to go in and set html files to be opened by IE.
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Thanks for all the help. On 11/23/2016 11:02 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
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Tyler Spivey
Try resetting your default browser, or manually setting the program that opens html files.
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On 11/23/2016 9:03 AM, Gene wrote:
I'm not sure why that is but one solution might be that once it opens, |
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Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
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Uh, that brings up IE help. What Don's looking for
is a way to get the NVDA help, not IE help, to come up by default in IE, instead
of Edge.
If I am understanding his problem, he's got IE set
as his default browser, but for some reason, Edge is still taking precedents
over IE when it comes to things like this. I'll almost betcha, he'd have the
same issue, if he tried opening a page with Cortana. It's not a matter of his
default browser not being set, it's more that Windows seems to be openning
things anyway with Edge. Correct me, if I'm misunderstanding.
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Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. info@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
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Don H
You have it correct. Despite having IE set as my default browser I went in and set it to my default again and it seems to have resolved the issue. Still the only strange thing is that everything else was using IE except for trying to open a html file which the NVDA user guide is.
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On 11/23/2016 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Uh, that brings up IE help. What Don's looking for is a way to get the |
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Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
Actually Don, I thought you made yourself perfectly clear. I'm not sure why people are getting confused.
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--- Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. info@... Phone: (704) 256-8010. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu Maybe I didn't make myself clear regarding the problem. When I open the NVDA menu move down and expand the help menu and press enter on user guide the guide opens in Edge. I have IE set as my default browser. |
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Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
I was gonna say. Wouldn't that just launch whatever browser in a new window with that documentation? In this case, the user's guide? The behavior symptoms Don's describing don't surprise me. Is NVDA supposed to detect what browser is opened ahead of time, hince why you said, open IE first, then launch the guide?
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--- Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. info@... Phone: (704) 256-8010. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu Sorry if I follow your instructions and have IE open before opening the NVDA menu then select the user guide from the help menu it opens in Edge not IE. |
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Gene
That isn't how file associations work. If a
browser is opened and another browser is the default, the default browser will
open when a file type is clicked on that the browser is supposed to open.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu with that documentation? In this case, the user's guide? The behavior symptoms Don's describing don't surprise me. Is NVDA supposed to detect what browser is opened ahead of time, hince why you said, open IE first, then launch the guide? --- Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. info@... Phone: (704) 256-8010. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu > Sorry if I follow your instructions and have IE open before opening the > NVDA menu then select the user guide from the help menu it opens in Edge > not IE. > > On 11/23/2016 10:42 AM, Joseph Lee wrote: >> Hi, >> The corrected instruction is to go to IE, then open NVDA menu/help, then >> select the item you want. >> Cheers, >> Joseph >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H >> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 8:35 AM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu >> >> With IE open F1 brings up the IE help using IE. >> >> On 11/23/2016 10:14 AM, Gene wrote: >>> Open Internet Explorer and see what happens if you issue the command f1. >>> >>> Gene >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:05 AM >>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] help menu >>> >>> As I said following your steps I have IE set as my default browser. >>> Help documents still open in Edge. >>> >>> On 11/23/2016 9:58 AM, Andre Fisher wrote: >>>> 1. Press Windows key+I to go to the Settings app. >>>> 2. Depending on which version of Windows 10 you are using, you might >>>> need to Tab till you hear System. Press Enter on it. >>>> 3. Use the Down Arrow until you hear Default Apps. Press Enter 4. >>>> Press Tab continuously till you hear Web browser: Microsoft Edge or >>>> otherwise. >>>> 5. Press Enter and Tab to Internet Explorer. >>>> Press Enter and close the app. >>>> >>>> That's it! >>>> >>>> On 11/23/16, Don H <lmddh50@... <mailto:lmddh50@...>> >>> wrote: >>>>> Running Win 10 and have IE set as my default browser. When I select >>>>> help within the NVDA menu it opens the help documentation in MS Edge. >>>>> Is there a way to get it to open within IE or is there a way to get >>>>> this documentation in txt format? >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > |
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Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
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I know. That was kind of the point that I was
attempting to make. Joseph has said to open IE, then while open, try launching
the quick commands help after first launching IE. What I was trying to say was,
that didn't make sense, as I agree with what you're saying, Gene, that's not
generally how file associations work. Alas, looks like Don got it resolved, so
that's good to know.
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Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. info@...
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Hi all, In this case, Gene is correct: although you may have told a different browser to open files, whichever program is associated with HTML files will be used (see my technical notes below). For new users: those who were (or part of) BrailleNote users mailing list may recognize the below kind of note (I mention this as I see some familiar faces), only this time I can dive inside the lake instead of using crystal balls from old days (i.e. when in doubt, looking at NVDA source code is helpful sometimes). Technical: there is a function in Python that’ll let you open whichever file you like. Internally, this is the function used by NVDA to open various documents, namely user guide, commands quick reference and others. The below code lets you do this: import os # Either you can spell out the path directly or use a variable. os.startfile(path) # In case of the English user guide on 64-bit Windows, it’ll open the following path: os.startfile(“C:\\Program Files (x86)\\NVDA\\Documentation\\en\\userGuide.html”) The “os.startfile” function will invoke Windows API function that looks up file associations stored on the registry hive HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT (HKCR), which then runs the program associated with the given file extension or protocol. You can override this on an individual extension/protocol basis (either from Control Panel or from Settings if you are using older versions of Windows or Windows 10, respectively). In case of the NVDA user guide, the following steps are taken: 1. NVDA notices you want to open the user guide. 2. The “gui.getDocPath” function is called, which consults the current NVDA interface language and the name of the doc file you wish to open. If the documentation for your language isn’t there, it falls back to English. Surprisingly, this is the same step taken when opening add-on readme files. 3. An event handler function is run when you select “User guide” from NVDA’s help menu, which runs “os.startfile” and opens the path that the previous function returns.
I guess the above notes could have been best served on the NVDA development list. But I wrote the above to show three things: 1. We do have reps from NV Access here (Quentin, the author of the highly acclaimed NVDA basics tutorial), as well as NVDA developers who are more than happy to explain NVDA internals (at least two devs are here, including I (the one who brought ability to disable individual add-ons) and Derek Riemer (the one who worked on ability to hear indentations via tones). 2. That NVDA ecosystem is vast – not just what you see, hear and read, but source code as well. 3. There are lots more involved than Python and dialogs when it comes to talking about NVDA and its internals (and no, you cannot port NVDA to other operating systems (easily), and if you do, good luck). A tip for those seeking to learn NVDA’s source code inside out: start by asking yourself, “how does NVDA commands work”. Perhaps you can start by reading global commands module where all you need to know about majority of NVDA commands are spelled out, including internals of title bar reading command, object navigation and others. As I stressed many times (including during a lecture series I led concerning writing your first ever NVDA app module this summer), grasping Python is a must. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 9:54 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu
I know. That was kind of the point that I was attempting to make. Joseph has said to open IE, then while open, try launching the quick commands help after first launching IE. What I was trying to say was, that didn't make sense, as I agree with what you're saying, Gene, that's not generally how file associations work. Alas, looks like Don got it resolved, so that's good to know. ---
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